Is archer unattractive ?

[Smilo 109]

I only see mechs with bows and people selling their archers. Is it that unattractive to play archer right now ? Normally I like the class but they die really fast cause of low defense and abs and the damage is lower than mechs with bows. Will it change with a new skill or is the mech just overpowered?

Edited March 21, 2019 by Smilo

[sansiro 135]

Mech auto is OP. Hunt fast and no need mp stm cost like as. But as is good too. 

[MadTale 763]

seriously i can't understand why a secondary hunting build (auto MS) is better than whole hunting classes (archer and ata)...

 

IMO it must be adjusted... AS must be the queen of hunting, followed by Atalanta, and then Auto MS... 

 

if nerfs aren't well accepted, then don't nerf MS and just boost AS and ATA 1v1 PvE damage....

 

IMO, both AS and ATA must have a 1v1 skill with bonus damage vs any type of monster 'cause they are hunting masters classes.

 

this would enable dev team to easily adjust solo hunting values without messing up other game areas. 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, MadTale said:

seriously i can't understand why a secondary hunting build (auto MS) is better than whole hunting classes (archer and ata)...

 

IMO it must be adjusted... AS must be the queen of hunting, followed by Atalanta, and then Auto MS... 

 

if nerfs aren't well accepted, then don't nerf MS and just boost AS and ATA 1v1 PvE damage....

 

IMO, both AS and ATA must have a 1v1 skill with bonus damage vs any type of monster 'cause they are hunting masters classes.

 

this would enable dev team to easily adjust solo hunting values without messing up other game areas. 

 

 

Mage's AoE damage is higher than ATA 1x1 =p, dunno about AS, but, probably yes, since mage AoE damage is on pair with shaman's 1x1 hits + press deity, which is quite strong ATM.

 

[DrColosso 47]

Archers are one of the most balanced classes on the game, but I do agree they could have a 1vs1 skill vs any type of monster, that would help.

IMO the real problem is about Atalantas nowadays. They DO NEED a buff for PvE, it should be more versatile and consequently more interesting for hunt than it is right now.

[cartmansucks 51]

It seems like every topic ends with "ata need a buff"

 

11 hours ago, MadTale said:

seriously i can't understand why a secondary hunting build (auto MS) is better than whole hunting classes (archer and ata)...

 

IMO it must be adjusted... AS must be the queen of hunting, followed by Atalanta, and then Auto MS... 

 

if nerfs aren't well accepted, then don't nerf MS and just boost AS and ATA 1v1 PvE damage....

 

IMO, both AS and ATA must have a 1v1 skill with bonus damage vs any type of monster 'cause they are hunting masters classes.

 

this would enable dev team to easily adjust solo hunting values without messing up other game areas. 

 

 

Archer and ata must have have a 1v1 skill with bonus damage vs any type of monster cause they are hunting masters classes...

Is it true ? They deserve a buff cause they are hunting masters ?

[MadTale 763]

1 hour ago, cartmansucks said:

It seems like every topic ends with "ata need a buff"

 

Archer and ata must have have a 1v1 skill with bonus damage vs any type of monster cause they are hunting masters classes...

Is it true ? They deserve a buff cause they are hunting masters ?

 

well, it's a matter of sense...

 

what is it supposed to be a "x" class or classes with ranged attacks plus free tanker pet against single mob, with none or close to none defensive skills? 

 

and what is it supposed to be a "y" class with lots of def buffs such as armor, shield, block, abs, dmg reflect buffs and none or close to none hunting-focused skill? 

 

you don't see ats or as with custom builds doing better tanking performance than MS in any situation of the game but you see a fucking tanker class doing better 1v1 PvE than AS and ats all the whole time... 

 

imo, one class with lots of hunting-focused skills must have better hunting performance than a fully tanky-focused class...

 

i don't mean ms must be a crap in hunting, i don't want to mess up the class... ms has a multi weapon gameplay style too so i think it's ok if auto ms does

decent hunting performance, but not better than Ats and AS.... it makes no sense one class with 2 skills beat another 2 classes born to be hunters... ? 

 

 

[thisisrauldo 801]

2 hours ago, cartmansucks said:

It seems like every topic ends with "ata need a buff"

 

Archer and ata must have have a 1v1 skill with bonus damage vs any type of monster cause they are hunting masters classes...

Is it true ? They deserve a buff cause they are hunting masters ?

 

well, actually atalanta already have one skill for each type of mob:

 

Farina, Big Spear, Twist, Fire and Lightning Javelin; besides all the other issues with ata, Farina and Big Spear have a awkward old damage formula, that makes these 2 skills useless to hunt especific mobs. In my personal experience, I do use Fire and Twist Javelin to hunt mobs, it's great to change from the same n old vengeance sometimes. And no. Ata doesnt deserve a buff to be a hunting master, ata deserves a boost because it sucks being ata nowdays.

[DrColosso 47]

2 hours ago, cartmansucks said:

It seems like every topic ends with "ata need a buff"

 

LMAO indeed they do ?

[HideOnBush 38]

On 3/22/2019 at 7:32 PM, cartmansucks said:

It seems like every topic ends with "ata need a buff"

LOL, but it's true, all those posts are saying something after all : )

[TigerShark22 488]

On 3/22/2019 at 1:09 PM, MadTale said:

seriously i can't understand why a secondary hunting build (auto MS) is better than whole hunting classes (archer and ata)...

 

IMO it must be adjusted... AS must be the queen of hunting, followed by Atalanta, and then Auto MS... 

 

if nerfs aren't well accepted, then don't nerf MS and just boost AS and ATA 1v1 PvE damage....

 

IMO, both AS and ATA must have a 1v1 skill with bonus damage vs any type of monster 'cause they are hunting masters classes.

 

this would enable dev team to easily adjust solo hunting values without messing up other game areas. 

 

 

How do you know that auto ms is a secondary build?

1.There is no secondary build  in this game, just a build which fits to X situation.

 

2. Mech has the lowest AOE dmg ( crappy amount, far behind), his main pve role in a party is tanking ( best of all), but solo, he can remove his defensive ability to kill monsters 1v1 fastly, and this is his only solo option. ( As/ata > auto ms in tanking)

 

3. Ata and as should be " master hunters"?

Overall offensive and defensive abilities ( range is one ability you are boosted, means you can attack monsters sooner in 1v1 hunt, in CT3Q, DIQ , SLQ you dont take damage/ rarely do, which enables you to attack  more times, and do better DPS ,in draxos/greedy/ tulla , you are safe behind which is really a dream of every melee except  tanker mech).

 

Fs , ass, pike are crappy tankers in pve too, seems you forgot them too.

 

About boosts- ata sure needs a bit, about as Im not sure.

 

About selling chars- every class in on sale pretty much.

 

Note- you compare mech tank build to pure as build in tanking pve, what do you expect,I would love to know.

Also you ignores mech's weaknesses  in order to do what he does.

Lastly, you are always welcome to get an armor in some cases you may need it ? .

Edited April 6, 2019 by TigerShark22

[MadTale 763]

6 hours ago, TigerShark22 said:

How do you know that auto ms is a secondary build?

1.There is no secondary build  in this game, just a build which fits to X situation.

 

2. Mech has the lowest AOE dmg ( crappy amount, far behind), his main pve role in a party is tanking ( best of all), but solo, he can remove his defensive ability to kill monsters 1v1 fastly, and this is his only solo option. ( As/ata > auto ms in tanking)

 

3. Ata and as should be " master hunters"?

Overall offensive and defensive abilities ( range is one ability you are boosted, means you can attack monsters sooner in 1v1 hunt, in CT3Q, DIQ , SLQ you dont take damage/ rarely do, which enables you to attack  more times, and do better DPS ,in draxos/greedy/ tulla , you are safe behind which is really a dream of every melee except  tanker mech).

 

Fs , ass, pike are crappy tankers in pve too, seems you forgot them too.

 

About boosts- ata sure needs a bit, about as Im not sure.

 

About selling chars- every class in on sale pretty much.

 

Note- you compare mech tank build to pure as build in tanking pve, what do you expect,I would love to know.

Also you ignores mech's weaknesses  in order to do what he does.

Lastly, you are always welcome to get an armor in some cases you may need it ? .

 

if you leave MS the way it is and boost ata, it will be a indirect nerf for AS and will decrease it's value.

also i think it would make no sense to ata with 1 hand wpn being stronger than AS with 2h bow in PVE.

 

if you leave MS the way it is and boost AS, ata becomes mule. 

 

but, if you leave MS the way it is, and make ata pve 3% better than auto MS and AS pve 6% better than auto MS the result is: 

 

1- slight indirect nerf for MS, wich is very welcome...

 remember 1: ms is a over-priced class and if it is over priced it's because the class has a too strong kit compared to other classes in same lvl this indicating unbalance)

remember 2: if you think it's 100% ok to one class with 2 skills beat another 2 full kit classes cuse "there is no secondary buid just what fits x situation" i just wanna say i think exactly the opposite, simply. 

 

2- AS now becomes the new best hunting class: 

note: i suggested in another topic to nerf a bit AS evasion status plus reducing Perforation performance due to it's current situation in BC with AS evading all the hell out and smashing down people with nerver-miss crit AOE perforation...  so, AS wound't drop value or become a weak class, cause now it would be a bit weaker in PVP but also the new best hunting class. 

 

3- ATA comes back to the meta game as the 2nd best hunting class, also i suggest a slight buff in ata's AOE dmg, something like ata's aoe being 5% better than AS.

 

final result:

 

MS, before a over priced class now have this effect smoothed. still 100% the best tank class, still super strong hunting, it's just not the best one anymore, simply.

 

AS, before evading everything in a ridiculous rate plus AOE crit everyone, now becomes easier to kill in BC, without the toxic perforation behavior, and being the new solo pve queen

 

ATA, before a completly out performed class, now have super good hunting potential (a bit more than MS, a bit less than AS) comes back to the mind of players.

Edited April 6, 2019 by MadTale