Vote: Should Item Level Requirement increase by one each three or four aging levels?

[lonelyforyou 41]

3 hours ago, KriKa. said:

Its no sense, what the point? Age is to make players more strongh, if players wanna use same items of high lvl ppls we can made mix.

 

In all history of priston's 2 age = 1 and its awesome dont need change keep it original.

 

And close it in +22 its enough for age, more age make game umbalanced for sure, some class get alot advantage with age

Mech KS Shaman with aged items tank as hell.

 

By your logic all of this game should be how its like all along and never improve for the better?

 

The only "flaw" for decreasing level requirement is people who grinded hard for the level is at an disadvantage. 

 

First of all I don't think everyone can afford 138 +22 as easily as you might think. It still costs a bunch. Not everyone is a donator on this server. 

 

Secondly if we are kept at 3 ages per level it will benefit the economy because there will be more trading. 4 I agree is overkill. But honestly the economy is unpredictable so no one can know for sure if it is or not.

 

Thirdly you already have your advantage with being higher in level. All games always become easier over time due to new content. Remember when there were no party quests? People had to grind maps to level up? Should we make SS exp as fast as DIQ and HS SL? Because players who are above 15X prior to SS release wasted so much time grinding inefficiently at DIQ and HS SL when they could be making 3x the exp compared to now.  I don't see them crying about the "loss time" they had when something faster and more efficient is out. 

 

Edited May 28, 2019 by lonelyforyou

[lonelyforyou 41]

1 hour ago, tarana2012 said:

Those who want 4 upgrade level upgrade are no less than people who think earth is flat. ???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naïve_realism_(psychology)

[ckernitz 19]

they want easy gaming just Flok im Strong now.....
you want easy gaming??? Play jackstone................or barbie dolls !!!!!

[disable1000 510]

lets go for 3 boys..

[Metabi 2]

3 is maximum 4 is bad really bad

[Vapie 10]

If 3 will win and 2 will be out the sol vigor will kinda be useless like for axe 130+22 162-173 but has a 500 atk rating and only level 137 and axe138 sol vigor 167-179 with only 327atk rating for level 138 sol mixes will be out when 3 or 4 wins , yes it is good but will also need to upgrade the mix effect as well


i want to see 3 wins
but ofcourse mixes needs some upgrades aswell to balance the market so that no one will only buy +22 items

Edited May 28, 2019 by Vapie

[tarana2012 8]

4 hours ago, ckernitz said:

they want easy gaming just Flok im Strong now.....
you want easy gaming??? Play jackstone................or barbie dolls !!!!!

Exactly, there is no hard and fast rule over this aging requirement. Lets not put wartale into a cheap server. I mean come on, lets preserve the aging system. New item coming? So be it. 

 

Again the main issue here is not about aging requirement, its about gaining exp.

[netto94 45]

"...iT wAs AlWaYs 2, LeT iT bE 2 fOrEvEr...."

 

come on guys, can't u c the benefits of the change? It's basically a win/win situation

 

 

[Clem 1,241]

12 minutes ago, netto94 said:

"...iT wAs AlWaYs 2, LeT iT bE 2 fOrEvEr...."

 

come on guys, can't u c the benefits of the change? It's basically a win/win situation

 

 

Instead of being rude with people, give us your own point of view by a constructive post. 

 

Just to quote what you said about it :

 

“3 is really good, 4 could be even better for the server in many aspects

hope its continue how its now or change to 4

great work, admin!”

 

“4 agings = 1 lvl ?

the best option”

 

Thanks you

[Clem 1,241]

Ops, I double post and I don’t know how to delete a topic.

 

Sorry

Edited May 28, 2019 by Clem
Mystake

[tarana2012 8]

i think it would be better that votes should be cast in-game and in forum. just saying.

[BigFoot 375]

I think in the future we will have new sheltoms, probably new aging cap like +26 and more (maybe +40 XD ). So 4 agings per level is really cool.

[lonelyforyou 41]

46 minutes ago, KriKa. said:

Age is the way 2motivate players to exp for use last items high lvl

Change it and game will lose alot of

 

Me for exemple i only have motivation for exp to use new items with high/last age

And alot of players use it to still have motivation for play exp to have high lvl for last items

 

I think judging from the poll people who voted for 2 belong in the minority/

 

I don't think you will leave the game just because of this change. Everyone who voted 2 have invested way too much time to give up because of this change. I already refute your point in my previous post. Don't be a hypocrite just because a change doesn't benefit you. 

[MazaruRPT 192]

I want people to consider that this community also have casual players. Not everyone feels good using their whole time to play a game. This Age question make this issue comes to life, do not ignore it. The ones who play hard, will simply play hard. There's players out there who already have even more lvl to use 146/148 items.

My vote keeps to 4 age 1 lvl.

 

"BC is a playground for 155+"

[ckernitz 19]

2 hours ago, KriKa. said:

Age is the way 2motivate players to exp for use last items high lvl

Change it and game will lose alot of

 

Me for exemple i only have motivation for exp to use new items with high/last age

And alot of players use it to still have motivation for play exp to have high lvl for last items

 

agrre to this... if person reach lvl that can use +22 now...he will be lazy to exp,, and yet he will be do nothing... 
if you do nothing in game what makes u play? BC? i dont think so ....

[ckernitz 19]

1 hour ago, lonelyforyou said:

I think judging from the poll people who voted for 2 belong in the minority/

 

I don't think you will leave the game just because of this change. Everyone who voted 2 have invested way too much time to give up because of this change. I already refute your point in my previous post. Don't be a hypocrite just because a change doesn't benefit you. 

then who benefits the 3 and 4? the free players...what about those high lvl who spend money and donate to keep server up? and voted 2?

 

[lonelyforyou 41]

3 minutes ago, ckernitz said:

then who benefits the 3 and 4? the free players...what about those high lvl who spend money and donate to keep server up? and voted 2?

 

Free players? Then why are you afraid of the change? Free players for sure can't afford 138-140 +22.

 

You guys already donated and got your gear. Now lower level players could choose to donate and purchase those gears which results in Wartale making more money.

[diemurd 484]

@Wartale please understand this is total ridiculous. What low lvl players need to do is lvl up to be high lvl players. These people want to have all rights without fighting for nothing. Make this change to 4 is a huge mistake.

[MazaruRPT 192]

7 minutes ago, diemurd said:

What low lvl players need to do is lvl up to be high lvl players.

You're missing the point.

Read my last comment.

[xunahyo 180]

For two:

Lv149 to wear 138 + 22 weapon

Lv151 to wear 140 + 22 amour

Lv153 to wear 142 + 22 weapon

Lv155 to wear 144 + 22 amour

Lv157 to wear 146 + 22 weapon

Lv159 to wear 148 + 22 amour

Lv161 to wear 150 + 22 weapon

Lv163 to wear 152 + 22 amour

Lv165 to wear 154 + 22 weapon

Lv167 to wear 156 + 22 amour

Lv169 to wear 158 + 22 weapon

Lv171 to wear 160 + 22 amour

Requires 11 levels more than the item base level to wear +22

 

For three:

Lv145 to wear 138 + 22 weapon

Lv147 to wear 140 + 22 amour

Lv149 to wear 142 + 22 weapon

Lv151 to wear 144 + 22 amour

Lv153 to wear 146 + 22 weapon

Lv155 to wear 148 + 22 amour

Lv157 to wear 150 + 22 weapon

Lv159 to wear 152 + 22 amour

Lv161 to wear 154 + 22 weapon

Lv163 to wear 156 + 22 amour

Lv165 to wear 158 + 22 weapon

Lv167 to wear 160 + 22 amour

Requires 7 levels more than the item base level to wear +22

 

For four:

Lv143 to wear 138 + 22 weapon

Lv145 to wear 140 + 22 amour

Lv147 to wear 142 + 22 weapon

Lv149 to wear 144 + 22 amour

Lv151 to wear 146 + 22 weapon

Lv153 to wear 148 + 22 amour

Lv155 to wear 150 + 22 weapon

Lv157 to wear 152 + 22 amour

Lv159 to wear 154 + 22 weapon

Lv161 to wear 156 + 22 amour

Lv163 to wear 158 + 22 weapon

Lv165 to wear 160 + 22 amour

Requires 5 levels more than the item base level to wear +22

 

Three or four does not make much a difference, well because current max item requires Lv151 to wear all, changing to three or four, requires Lv147 or Lv145, the difference is less, so three or four is either way to me, while two is definitely more demanding on leveling up. (I vote four though, because my level is so low, sorry guys, but I make my post general <3)

 

It all comes down to the question:

What is the periodical cycle of releasing 146 / 148 / 150 / 152... items?

If so, what is the planned time for the next release?

Is that time around 3 years, 5 years or 7 years?

 

For every 3 years:

2020 Lv144 map Lv142 weapon Lv144 amour  

2023 Lv148 map Lv146 weapon Lv148 amour

2026 Lv152 map Lv150 weapon Lv152 amour

2029 Lv156 map Lv154 weapon Lv156 amour

2032 Lv160 map Lv158 weapon Lv160 amour

Two is definitely too demanding, for the current Lv144 amour that is going to be out, only Lv155 can wear it to +22, definitely too few players, and then for the next map and items you released, which is Lv148 amour, only Lv159 can wear it to +22, only so few can wear it that you can count with your fingers, BC will be hilarious, following the above timeline, it will be 2023, a game where items are designed and made for less than 10 players, and power gap between a Lv159 vs.14x and other lower 15x will be so imbalanced, BC can literally be played to win with a clan of a few top players, hands down.

 

For every 5 years:

2020 Lv144 map Lv142 weapon Lv144 amour  

2025 Lv148 map Lv146 weapon Lv148 amour

2030 Lv152 map Lv150 weapon Lv152 amour

2035 Lv156 map Lv154 weapon Lv156 amour

2040 Lv160 map Lv158 weapon Lv160 amour

Same logic, just longer time stalled, players have time to catch up level, but thousands of 14x stayed 14x from 2014 until today 2019, are you sure the player base will move up quickly in 5 years? I highly doubt so, so two is still definitely too demanding.

 

For every 7 years:

2020 Lv144 map Lv142 weapon Lv144 amour  

2027 Lv148 map Lv146 weapon Lv148 amour

2034 Lv152 map Lv150 weapon Lv152 amour

2041 Lv156 map Lv154 weapon Lv156 amour

2048 Lv160 map Lv158 weapon Lv160 amour

Now you dragged it longer, player base will have the sweet time to move up, hopefully, and then may be two is not that demanding anymore, but are you sure the top players will stayed on because then they will have no new item to change to during that time and for a bloody 7 years. So no, it's too long.

 

Looking at Level Ranking in Account Panel, there are like a few hundreds of 15x~16x (some players have several 16x 15x belonging to them, so there's actually less) and mostly are still 14x, probably thousands of them, well many are inactive, or some come back and go, but looking back at your server lifetime, these thousands of 14x are 13x / 14x since like 2014..? I don't know, it's 2019 now, and thousands of 14x are still 14x, some of them get like 50% exp per year, and they leveled up from 14x to still.. 14x from 2014 to 2019, that is a bloody 5 years, yeah I know some hardcores moved up from 14x to 16x, but I'm looking at your big bulk of players, of course including less active ones, so I don't know, you can make gearing require less levels, but can you make leveling require less levels..?

 

Eventually there will just be a WALL, so that there are less and less that are willing to hit that wall, and that's the end of the life of an old MMORPG like PTale, unless you want to go for other routes like World of Warcraft / Black Desert, that means adding new content without stressing players' levels and without adding new item level requirement OR adding new content that make all the previous items incomparable and make current player level useless, there is no in between because of this leveling wall, eventually leveling to a certain level will be impossible, at least impossible to someone eventually. A game like PTale that stresses on leveling, there is no other option, unlike other modern games there are plenty other fun activities to engage on beside leveling, here you only have PvP, aging toys, SoD, Boss-ing, farming low level map for gold, shit talk in trade chat, other modern mmos have fishing, sailing, trading, housing, world war, alchemy, exploration, harvesting, taming pets, treasure hunting, etc. well here you can expand on PvP, but I don't know how are you going to reward the players, PvP for EXP / items..? 

 

By the way, there is still a handful of 13x 12x 11x, I see over the years the love for your top players and donators, how about Iron Core Quest, improvement on CT3 Quest, and adding more solo quest for 13x 12x, everyone says it's faster to level up from 132 to 140, BUT slower to level up from 120 to 132. Well, I'm done commenting, at least many still love this game and stayed on, both the players and the makers <333

 

TL:DR three or four does not make a much difference, two is too much for high level players due to the level distribution of the player base being like this for several years and will continue to be like this for the next several years, so this is indeed a nice suggestion, let's keep it to three or four.

 

[lonelyforyou 41]

10 minutes ago, xunahyo said:

For two:

Lv149 to wear 138 + 22 weapon

Lv151 to wear 140 + 22 amour

Lv153 to wear 142 + 22 weapon

Lv155 to wear 144 + 22 amour

Lv157 to wear 146 + 22 weapon

Lv159 to wear 148 + 22 amour

Lv161 to wear 150 + 22 weapon

Lv163 to wear 152 + 22 amour

Lv165 to wear 154 + 22 weapon

Lv167 to wear 156 + 22 amour

Lv169 to wear 158 + 22 weapon

Lv171 to wear 160 + 22 amour

Requires 11 levels more than the item base level to wear +22

 

For three:

Lv145 to wear 138 + 22 weapon

Lv147 to wear 140 + 22 amour

Lv149 to wear 142 + 22 weapon

Lv151 to wear 144 + 22 amour

Lv153 to wear 146 + 22 weapon

Lv155 to wear 148 + 22 amour

Lv157 to wear 150 + 22 weapon

Lv159 to wear 152 + 22 amour

Lv161 to wear 154 + 22 weapon

Lv163 to wear 156 + 22 amour

Lv165 to wear 158 + 22 weapon

Lv167 to wear 160 + 22 amour

Requires 7 levels more than the item base level to wear +22

 

For four:

Lv143 to wear 138 + 22 weapon

Lv145 to wear 140 + 22 amour

Lv147 to wear 142 + 22 weapon

Lv149 to wear 144 + 22 amour

Lv151 to wear 146 + 22 weapon

Lv153 to wear 148 + 22 amour

Lv155 to wear 150 + 22 weapon

Lv157 to wear 152 + 22 amour

Lv159 to wear 154 + 22 weapon

Lv161 to wear 156 + 22 amour

Lv163 to wear 158 + 22 weapon

Lv165 to wear 160 + 22 amour

Requires 5 levels more than the item base level to wear +22

 

Three or four does not make much a difference, well because current max item requires Lv151 to wear all, changing to three or four, requires Lv147 or Lv145, the difference is less, so three or four is either way to me, while two is definitely more demanding on leveling up. (I vote four though, because my level is so low, sorry guys, but I make my post general <3)

 

It all comes down to the question:

What is the periodical cycle of releasing 146 / 148 / 150 / 152... items?

If so, what is the planned time for the next release?

Is that time around 3 years, 5 years or 7 years?

 

For every 3 years:

2020 Lv144 map Lv142 weapon Lv144 amour  

2023 Lv148 map Lv146 weapon Lv148 amour

2026 Lv152 map Lv150 weapon Lv152 amour

2029 Lv156 map Lv154 weapon Lv156 amour

2032 Lv160 map Lv158 weapon Lv160 amour

Two is definitely too demanding, for the current Lv144 amour that is going to be out, only Lv155 can wear it to +22, definitely too few players, and then for the next map and items you released, which is Lv148 amour, only Lv159 can wear it to +22, only so few can wear it that you can count with your fingers, BC will be hilarious, following the above timeline, it will be 2023, a game where items are designed and made for less than 10 players, and power gap between a Lv159 vs.14x and other lower 15x will be so imbalanced, BC can literally be played to win with a clan of a few top players, hands down.

 

For every 5 years:

2020 Lv144 map Lv142 weapon Lv144 amour  

2025 Lv148 map Lv146 weapon Lv148 amour

2030 Lv152 map Lv150 weapon Lv152 amour

2035 Lv156 map Lv154 weapon Lv156 amour

2040 Lv160 map Lv158 weapon Lv160 amour

Same logic, just longer time stalled, players have time to catch up level, but thousands of 14x stayed 14x from 2014 until today 2019, are you sure the player base will move up quickly in 5 years? I highly doubt so, so two is still definitely too demanding.

 

For every 7 years:

2020 Lv144 map Lv142 weapon Lv144 amour  

2027 Lv148 map Lv146 weapon Lv148 amour

2034 Lv152 map Lv150 weapon Lv152 amour

2041 Lv156 map Lv154 weapon Lv156 amour

2048 Lv160 map Lv158 weapon Lv160 amour

Now you dragged it longer, player base will have the sweet time to move up, hopefully, and then may be two is not that demanding anymore, but are you sure the top players will stayed on because then they will have no new item to change to during that time and for a bloody 7 years. So no, it's too long.

 

Looking at Level Ranking in Account Panel, there are like a few hundreds of 15x~16x (some players have several 16x 15x belonging to them, so there's actually less) and mostly are still 14x, probably thousands of them, well many are inactive, or some come back and go, but looking back at your server lifetime, these thousands of 14x are 13x / 14x since like 2014..? I don't know, it's 2019 now, and thousands of 14x are still 14x, some of them get like 50% exp per year, and they leveled up from 14x to still.. 14x from 2014 to 2019, that is a bloody 5 years, yeah I know some hardcores moved up from 14x to 16x, but I'm looking at your big bulk of players, of course including less active ones, so I don't know, you can make gearing require less levels, but can you make leveling require less levels..?

 

Eventually there will just be a WALL, so that there are less and less that are willing to hit that wall, and that's the end of the life of an old MMORPG like PTale, unless you want to go for other routes like World of Warcraft / Black Desert, that means adding new content without stressing players' levels and without adding new item level requirement OR adding new content that make all the previous items incomparable and make current player level useless, there is no in between because of this leveling wall, eventually leveling to a certain level will be impossible, at least impossible to someone eventually. A game like PTale that stresses on leveling, there is no other option, unlike other modern games there are plenty other fun activities to engage on beside leveling, here you only have PvP, aging toys, SoD, Boss-ing, farming low level map for gold, shit talk in trade chat, other modern mmos have fishing, sailing, trading, housing, world war, alchemy, exploration, harvesting, taming pets, treasure hunting, etc. well here you can expand on PvP, but I don't know how are you going to reward the players, PvP for EXP / items..? 

 

By the way, there is still a handful of 13x 12x 11x, I see over the years the love for your top players and donators, how about Iron Core Quest, improvement on CT3 Quest, and adding more solo quest for 13x 12x, everyone says it's faster to level up from 132 to 140, BUT slower to level up from 120 to 132. Well, I'm done commenting, at least many still love this game and stayed on, both the players and the makers <333

 

TL:DR three or four does not make a much difference, two is too much for high level players due to the level distribution of the player base being like this for several years and will continue to be like this for the next several years, so this is indeed a nice suggestion, let's keep it to three or four.

 

Amazing post.

 

I think we have a winner here. The 2 army is still sticking with their "ITS UNFAIR BECAUSE WE WORKED HARD FOR IT" narrative. 

Pretty sure they will disregard your post and still continue with their same flawed reasoning. 

[kinhcong 9]

Well, it's too late to come back to 2 agings per level because many players already aged his items (like me ). We need more aging level to +24 for using Sol ?

[Vintage 49]

I don't undearstand why it's up to the community to decide.

First: Isn't wartale that balance the damage from the new map? Aren't the new items max aged supposed to be used as a base for the balance of the map?

How do Wartale balance the map monster stats? How much % does a max aged complete gear is supposed to offer as a reduction to damage received and time to kill an enemy? Please, let's have a fixed formula to balance this game.

Edited May 28, 2019 by Vintage

[Wartale 7,375]

Tough topic ? everyone's quite divided. I'm leaning on keeping it at 3, for the sake of future items (which won't take 3 years this time ? )

[bobleo 150]

Just now, Wartale said:

Tough topic ? everyone's quite divided. I'm leaning on keeping it at 3, for the sake of future items (which won't take 3 years this time ? )

 

+1

 

3 levels is enough.

Edited May 28, 2019 by bobleo