Regardings Holy Mind Nerf

[- D E A T H S T R O K E - 1,760]

seriously that  @Wartale nerfed Holy mind just because that retarded biased video?

First: OK, priest was strong if you consider that no one is full buff, which is clearly stupid, EVERYBODY GOES pvp full buff, and, priest was a little better tanker than KS on 1v1, BUT, her damage/crit and AR are lame ( My priest damage was ~900 on shaman, Full buff), so it was balanced, also, she was extremely vulnerable on 2x1, since she only could keep holy mind on 1 player, which was clearly OK, since it's a support char.

check the video

 

Second: PVE was f*cked with that nerf. Holy mind was essential as it was on PVE, now priest sucks on everything, again.

 

THIRD: this video was made because he was being whopped on 2x1,  PRs + KS, it's a 2x1, obliviously it was a disadvantage, also it's funny how ppl ask to Nerf other class while their own have issues:

 

Check Spark damage

Also, EXTREME SHIELD, is giving +15% block even if you are with 2 hand

 

 

Also, as Far as i know, Extreme shield was supposed to boost block based on Shield's Block %, not a flat 15%....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 1, 2019 by - D E A T H S T R O K E -

[Sananda 567]

It's funny to ask nerf in prs when it's a brokean class.

 

I also think that these nerf requests should be open to topic and discussed with the whole community and not exclusively a player's cry .

 

I once asked for improvements on Atalanta and was asked to open the topic and discussed with the whole community, why does it have to be any different?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 1, 2019 by Sananda

[Lyseria 1,823]

Well, about pvp I can't add so much about this matter, but it's serious that this video has been considered to nerf an entire class? A pure tanker build struggling to survive the top rank? If we go with a pure tanker knight we should nerf KS too? ?

 

About PvE I must say it's terrible.

 

When I go to SS I use Holy Mind + Ice to do the max debuffs on mobs and kill with my archer + prs. Now the cooldown is high and it's way better be a flying regen than an active support.

[Akuma 157]

1 hour ago, - D E A T H S T R O K E - said:

seriously that  @Wartale nerfed Holy mind just because that retarded biased video?

First: OK, priest was strong if you consider that no one is full buff, which is clearly stupid, EVERYBODY GOES pvp full buff, and, priest was a little better tanker than KS on 1v1, BUT, her damage/crit and AR are lame ( My priest damage was ~900 on shaman, Full buff), so it was balanced, also, she was extremely vulnerable on 2x1, since she only could keep holy mind on 1 player, which was clearly OK, since it's a support char.

check the video

 

Second: PVE was f*cked with that nerf. Holy mind was essential as it was on PVE, now priest sucks on everything, again.

 

THIRD: this video was made because he was being whopped on 2x1,  PRs + KS, it's a 2x1, obliviously it was a disadvantage, also it's funny how ppl ask to Nerf other class while their own have issues:

 

Check Spark damage

Also, EXTREME SHIELD, is giving +15% block even if you are with 2 hand

 

 

Also, as Far as i know, Extreme shield was supposed to boost block based on Shield's Block %, not a flat 15%....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey bro, will not keep by the way its now, its just a temp solution i trust. 

But prs can't keep by the way it was with cd basically 0 and she can holy mind everyone taking -34% power.

What i suggest is, make it weaker in PVP and Keep the same in PVE. That will be better than increasing skill cooldown. Everyone have to agree that prs is now is so fking hard to kill in PVP, so no1 can punish her and her can annoy every1, do u really thinks its fair ? I don't see any fair point on it. 
I agree that need balance PRS, make her better in PVP and PVE, but its not the way to balance her, giving a skill that can fk every1 and no1 can kill her. 

Edited December 1, 2019 by Akuma

[diemurd 484]

+1, this is unacceptable. I didnt see any post or suggestion here on forum giving an opportunity for us to discuss this. Simply changed on favor of a few players is that it? For real?

[TheJoShua 13]

-Shaylee-
+1 I am one of the top rankings and it really seems absurd to me that for one or more players they give nerf to a class that this something will forget compared to other classes.
I hope everything goes back to the way it was.

 

Edited December 1, 2019 by TheJoShua

[Akuma 157]

The way to balance prs :

 

Holy mind:
In PVE would work full -34% atk power in mobs and CD that was before.

But in PVP needs thinks, i trust if work 1/3 of it in bc would be ok already  what will be -11.3% atk power reduction, based on shaman inertia ( if im not super wrong shaman inertia works only 1 half in pvp, so its 10% Atk Pow Reduction)  and remind, cd was before u'll can use it always in your enemy, during whole battle, what shaman can't do cus his cd is 25secs . 

 

Vigor Ball : 
Actually its 150% damage boot, if 180% ~ 200% damage boost i think would be pretty nice already

Change atk rating boost from 80% to 100% 

Undead add from 80% should be 100% 
MAYBEEE > Add attack speed on this skill (1~2 ) , but not sure... would need tests first 

 

Glacial Spike :

Freeze Strength : actually have 25%, if change it from 25% to 40% will help more prs during her battles too, since pikeman have 50% of ice strenght its fair gives prs 40% i trust.

 

Starting by this way can let prs balanced at all one day. Its not just nerf, but need thinks before doing the things. 

 

And guys, before attack each other on forum, lets use our brain and a good dialogue for improve the things and not just have a class unbalanced in bc =). 

 

Edited December 1, 2019 by Akuma

[[ - PRI - ] 52]

+1

 

Now is impossible to play in Shadown Santuary with PRS 1 vs 1...

Prs only can "tank" because we use Holy Mind to keep safe! 

And now even using feather tier 1, I cant stand up to much time!

I've been playing here with PRS since the server opened, it's unacceptable to have this nerf now!

[Lyseria 1,823]

38 minutes ago, Akuma said:

And guys, before attack each other on forum, lets use our brain and a good dialogue for improve the things and not just have a class unbalanced in bc =). 

 

Thing is... nerfs comes faster than buffs.

[marce2125 107]

Another nerf??, you want delete our class??, prs is practally unplayable in pve, and now THIS??, Really???

2 hours ago, Akuma said:

The way to balance prs :

 

Holy mind:
In PVE would work full -34% atk power in mobs and CD that was before.

But in PVP needs thinks, i trust if work 1/3 of it in bc would be ok already  what will be -11.3% atk power reduction, based on shaman inertia ( if im not super wrong shaman inertia works only 1 half in pvp, so its 10% Atk Pow Reduction)  and remind, cd was before u'll can use it always in your enemy, during whole battle, what shaman can't do cus his cd is 25secs . 

 

Vigor Ball : 
Actually its 150% damage boot, if 180% ~ 200% damage boost i think would be pretty nice already

Change atk rating boost from 80% to 100% 

Undead add from 80% should be 100% 
MAYBEEE > Add attack speed on this skill (1~2 ) , but not sure... would need tests first 

 

Glacial Spike :

Freeze Strength : actually have 25%, if change it from 25% to 40% will help more prs during her battles too, since pikeman have 50% of ice strenght its fair gives prs 40% i trust.

 

Starting by this way can let prs balanced at all one day. Its not just nerf, but need thinks before doing the things. 

 

And guys, before attack each other on forum, lets use our brain and a good dialogue for improve the things and not just have a class unbalanced in bc =). 

 

I can't argue with you in PVP, i'm not go pvp because prs is unplayable in pvp her only job is being annoying, because she can do almost nothing, just run and give VL and now run, give vl and the new skill, so practically nothing changed, still boring, that why most of prs users don't go pvp.

I agree this MUST have a discussion before, now is almost impossible to play in PVE!,

First we need discuss what is her job here, she isn't killer, she isn't support, he currently state is a mule.

And please temporary solution is made people can't play for one week or more, really?

I have this class since lvl 1, now is 155, i pass through almost all quests here, et1, ct3, old md without dailys, few DI (no one give party to active prs like i suffer in ET Q), Iron core, and now SS.

The only thing i always suffer is discrimination because her lack of damage, only in ct3 (before the free tank) i can get pt, i still remembered the Namyet global "Slot DI, NO PRS".

The extra in vigor ball was a another temporary solution because when the staff change VB form static to % the made wrong, and all prs could't kill the round 6 boss, so they forced to fixed that way, and why this happen??... BECAUSE HER DAMAGE FORMULA IS WRONG!!!!!!, is so hard to understand that??.

 

If you ask me how to fix prs, first we need to define her job and then change her skills, remember this could change the entire game playing.

The boost in VB means nothing, you need more than that, but again if you made prs good in 15x, all 13x will be OP (for the formula problem).

 

But something must be do for this class, almost no one play her as main, we are a few,  even in zeus proyect, all our suggestions was ignored.

 

How a prs user can play now, she can't tank (I'm not talking about the meats bags in SS, i'm talking an active Prs)?..... We need to have a second account to try play our main???.

Sometimes i feel that the staff hates this class.... 

Edited December 1, 2019 by marce2125

[Sakyamuni 82]

I don't have a PRS and I don't play with any at the moment and to me this nerf seems absurd.

 

First, because PRS is a somewhat marginalized class in general. It was a struggle to get an improvement in Vigor Ball. 

 

Second, because PRS in pvp lacks offensive features that resemble a Pike or Ks in general, then it makes sense that they have amazing defensive capabilities. The comparison with shamam is unfair, as stated before, PRS does not compare with shamam in pvp. It's okay to have a high cooldown in Inertia if you think of a class that has abs, speed, ATR Buffs and powerful skills to kill, including a Scratch + Press Deity combo. 

 

And if anyone thinks it's fair that Holly Mind doesn't work like that, because inertia doesn't work either and that "it's not fair not to be able to kill PRS and that's annoying", what do you think giving PRS a hit kill skill to make all fairer? How about a Shadow Mater, Destroyer, Divine Piercing or Phoenix Shot for PRS?

 

This game is full of Beavis and Butt-Heads!

Edited December 1, 2019 by Sakyamuni

[Akuma 157]

2 hours ago, marce2125 said:

Another nerf??, you want delete our class??, prs is practally unplayable in pve, and now THIS??, Really???

I can't argue with you in PVP, i'm not go pvp because prs is unplayable in pvp her only job is being annoying, because she can do almost nothing, just run and give VL and now run, give vl and the new skill, so practically nothing changed, still boring, that why most of prs users don't go pvp.

I agree this MUST have a discussion before, now is almost impossible to play in PVE!,

First we need discuss what is her job here, she isn't killer, she isn't support, he currently state is a mule.

And please temporary solution is made people can't play for one week or more, really?

I have this class since lvl 1, now is 155, i pass through almost all quests here, et1, ct3, old md without dailys, few DI (no one give party to active prs like i suffer in ET Q), Iron core, and now SS.

The only thing i always suffer is discrimination because her lack of damage, only in ct3 (before the free tank) i can get pt, i still remembered the Namyet global "Slot DI, NO PRS".

The extra in vigor ball was a another temporary solution because when the staff change VB form static to % the made wrong, and all prs could't kill the round 6 boss, so they forced to fixed that way, and why this happen??... BECAUSE HER DAMAGE FORMULA IS WRONG!!!!!!, is so hard to understand that??.

 

If you ask me how to fix prs, first we need to define her job and then change her skills, remember this could change the entire game playing.

The boost in VB means nothing, you need more than that, but again if you made prs good in 15x, all 13x will be OP (for the formula problem).

 

But something must be do for this class, almost no one play her as main, we are a few,  even in zeus proyect, all our suggestions was ignored.

 

How a prs user can play now, she can't tank (I'm not talking about the meats bags in SS, i'm talking an active Prs)?..... We need to have a second account to try play our main???.

Sometimes i feel that the staff hates this class.... 

I agree with you, and thanks for starting a dialogue without attack ? 

I'm sure if ppls have good ideas and a nice chatting GM will for sure take good things from here and apply in game.

[Coyy 78]

need balance skills all classes... 

[marce2125 107]

On 12/1/2019 at 7:02 PM, Akuma said:

I agree with you, and thanks for starting a dialogue without attack ? .

I think you and all here wants a better game, that's why we made suggestions almost every day, so attack each other has no sense. ?
I celebrate your post because maybe this time we finally arrive to the real discussion and made a proper fix for this forgetting character.

She needs a rework, and the only way to do that is with the help of all community.

I'm as prs user want to play this character without the discrimination, i know that almost all classes have issues, but this one of the worst. 

 

I have to thanks the staff the different update in others aspects of the game, but in my opinion, everything that affect the game play must be priority, saying that i want to ask the staff, to start trying to work in fix this character since project zeus was a complete fail for her.

I'm not asking a magical solution and she get fix in 1 day, because i know take time, i just want to know that you work on it.

 

Thanks!.

Edited December 5, 2019 by marce2125

[amazon 71]

how about decrease slow time by ice of Ps ? :))

[Akuma 157]

up

[diemurd 484]

up

[Lyseria 1,823]

CD is back to normal

 

Working 7 seconds in PvP

[Dookie 489]

@Wartale @Senpai kindly please take time to read ?

[Sananda 567]

12 hours ago, KriKa. said:

+1

first time in your life you say anything good

 

thank you

 

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