could nerfar the ms auto.

[netto94 45]

Resume of this topic:

 

MS players> "Don't nerf automs, please, I need ez exping"

 

All other players> Nerf automs or buff all other classes in PvE.

 

Closed topic.

[Merenda 767]

  On 3/24/2020 at 6:34 PM, -Enigma- said:

 

Ata 156, ata 159, as159, as 160, ms 148, ms 159, ms 154, etc..

 

I already had and already up all classes. I have tanker, I have low lvl bsol rings, low lvl bsol set (brac/gaunt/boots), etc...

 

Atalanta is the second best char up today, behind auto mech.

but as i said above, auto mech kills more and uses less stm / mana.

 

 

it's amazing how fanaticism makes people blind.

 

answer me one thing: do you think it is normal,  auto mech, to kill more than an archer who uses bow as his main weapon?

 

answer me something else: All classes pure, with tanker. auto mech kill 2x, 3x faster than the other classes (depending on the class), is that balanced? is it normal for you?

 

 

 

 

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That's a point. But how much Execute skills MS have? How much Stuns? Combos to PvP?

 

MS turned into a "exp focused" class, bc autobuild. So, it's hard to believe that, a lot of ppl want to HK everyone, tank everyone in PvP, and even exp a lot in SS, without paying a cost for it.

 

In this case, Change Class.

 

Want UP? MS or ATA

Want PvP? KS, FS, PS, SS

Want AoE in SW/FARM? MG, PRS

 

Archer is too weak in every single point, even PvP bc mounts.

 

What you guys want? A KS 25% damage reduction, DP HK, AoE Stun constantly, and exp a lot in SS? Wow

 

>> In this topic have a lot of ppl who don't even step in SS, just play PvP. So, if you don't like UP, it's easier pay for service/learn to up, or cry a river to nerf an exp class? Just bc your low 15x char is getting weaker?

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[-Enigma- 190]

  On 3/24/2020 at 7:01 PM, you2kyo said:

Hmmm... so let me get this straight. If I want to play the class i really enjoy and  also be competitive, I can't? Because if I decide to play anything that is not a MS I'm gonna have a hard time leveling up. That sucks.

 

Also, of course the admin is going to make a class super op just to nerf it later on. That's how they make the most money. Plus, all this money spent on class changes doesn't affect low level players, as they don't need to use this service. Only the top players who hold the greatest deal of wealth in the server. So, they should be forced to do this every now and then. It works like a gold sink. (People love to tierwhore ? )

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 yes, unfortunately it is that way.

 

  On 3/24/2020 at 7:01 PM, you2kyo said:

Reagarding skills, I believe every class that has useless skills should get a revamp on those skills to make them useful. Leveling shouldn't be about comfort. (left click + one char standing still doing nothing) You should work at least a little bit to get your levels. (Seriously people, it's just sad and boring doing that)

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I agree, that the ideal is for all classes to kill the same or similar. and all have good skills. However, as I mentioned before: what is easier to manage, to change 1 skill or several skill of 9 classes?

[you2kyo 171]

Why people say "cry" all the time? If you think about point of view, they are doing the exact same thing. And how do you mean certain classes don't have some type of advantage in PvP? Basically all of them can HK in PvP if fully buffed. "Oh, but MS doesn't have any combos." Guess what, they don't need. MS can just use the same skill over and over again (just like phoenix shot) to pressure the enemy until he's dead. Also, MS has the biggest amount of Block, Defense and Abs (plus the best HP formula along FS) in the entire game. OHHHH, and there'll be another skill for them soon. A finisher skill, like CS, Destroyer, PD. What'll be the excuse then? Gsus.

[-Enigma- 190]

  On 3/24/2020 at 7:44 PM, Merenda said:

That's a point. But how much Execute skills MS have? How much Stuns? Combos to PvP?

 

MS turned into a "exp focused" class, bc autobuild. So, it's hard to believe that, a lot of ppl want to HK everyone, tank everyone in PvP, and even exp a lot in SS, without paying a cost for it.

 

In this case, Change Class.

 

Want UP? MS or ATA

Want PvP? KS, FS, PS, SS

Want AoE in SW/FARM? MG, PRS

 

Archer is too weak in every single point, even PvP bc mounts.

 

What you guys want? A KS 25% damage reduction, DP HK, AoE Stun constantly, and exp a lot in SS? Wow

 

>> In this topic have a lot of ppl who don't even step in SS, just play PvP. So, if you don't like UP, it's easier pay for service/learn to up, or cry a river to nerf an exp class? Just bc your low 15x char is getting weaker?

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you didn't answer me, but i already imagined.

yes, Mech has stun skills, her mechanics are different of others skills of stun, but she does, like spark shield, but okay, let's assume you haven't..

 

 

you speak as if the Mech only serves to up. and it's not.

 

look at the top 10 pvp ranking, there are 3 mechs, if you take the top 50, then it increases even more. 

besides all this, it is the best tanker class in game (and the only tank in hs sl / diq.).

 

 

this is the big problem for many here, they cannot see all classes, Where does the ass fit in your logic? Ass is a very cool class in PvP, and has a great area skill, but that's it, is far from being the best pvp class and having the best area skill. where does Mage fit into PvP or skill 1v1?

an auto mech 146 kill more than a PS / FS / KS / AS/ Ass 151 ~ 154, is it also normal? if you count prs and MG, he kills 3x faster.

 

 

and new players who are 14x and don't have a tanker or can't pay a change class?

 

 

the ideal is to improve all classes, but do you really think this will happen? be honest, you didn't start playing yesterday, he'll just wait and nerf the auto mech. Just as it has been several classes in recent years. and look at the logic, it is easier for him to change only one skilll than 9 class and several skills.

 

 

 

 

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[Merenda 767]

  On 3/24/2020 at 9:22 PM, -Enigma- said:

 

you didn't answer me, but i already imagined.

yes, Mech has stun skills, her mechanics are different of others skills of stun, but she does, like spark shield, but okay, let's assume you haven't..

 

 

you speak as if the Mech only serves to up. and it's not.

 

look at the top 10 pvp ranking, there are 2 mechs, if you take the top 50, then it increases even more. 

besides all this, it is the best tanker class in game (and the only tank in hs sl / diq.).

 

 

this is the big problem for many here, they cannot see all classes, Where does the ass fit in your logic? Ass is a very cool class in PvP, and has a great area skill, but that's it, is far from being the best pvp class and having the best area skill. where does Mage fit into PvP or skill 1v1?

an auto mech 146 kill more than a PS / FS / KS / AS/ Ass 151 ~ 154, is it also normal? if you count prs and MG, he kills 3x faster.

 

 

and new players who are 14x and don't have a tanker or can't pay a change class?

 

 

the ideal is to improve all classes, but do you really think this will happen? be honest, you didn't start playing yesterday, he'll just wait and nerf the auto mech. Just as it has been several classes in recent years. and look at the logic, it is easier for him to change only one skilll than 9 class and several skills.

 

 

 

 

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Wartale have a good amount of players. But a minimal % of this players truly UP.

Inside this minimal %, maybe 2 or 3 Partys have a extreme knowledge about UP and play something like 15h+/day.

 

So, in the majority cases, they sell service. Who sell service, can UP 2 services at the same time. AutoMS is the easiest class to do this.

 

All top classes today are MS, and guess what? Oh, all of then buy service.

 

Perhaps a full Ata Party can exp better then full MS, but anyone can hold that amount of combos for 15h+/day in 2 characters at the same time.

 

> In the end of the day, everyone is blaming "MS op" just bc the only 2% of Wartale who truly UP, prefer to use MS. High levels continue buying service from them, and change to MS to be more comfortable for the service.

 

Doesn't make sense nerf a class just bc hardcore players can extract the max of the class. If GM "kill autoMS", Ata will be the next. Every top level will change to Ata and exp.

 

So... Next topic will be "Nerf Ata pl0x, i don't up or buy service, nerf nerf nerf"?

[netto94 45]

  On 3/24/2020 at 7:44 PM, Merenda said:

Want UP? MS or ATA

Want PvP? KS, FS, PS, SS

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wtf this kid talking about?

 

MS hittin ~2.5k 1hit GG not good enough for PvP? Lol

Ata's split ~3k not good too?

 

Both 2 classes are strong af at both PvP and PvE. But... MS is the strongest for both.

 

Nerf automs or make other classes enjoyable at PvE too. EZ fix. Cya.

[-Enigma- 190]

  On 3/24/2020 at 9:57 PM, Merenda said:

Wartale have a good amount of players. But a minimal % of this players truly UP.

Inside this minimal %, maybe 2 or 3 Partys have a extreme knowledge about UP and play something like 15h+/day.

 

So, in the majority cases, they sell service. Who sell service, can UP 2 services at the same time. AutoMS is the easiest class to do this.

 

All top classes today are MS, and guess what? Oh, all of then buy service.

 

Perhaps a full Ata Party can exp better then full MS, but anyone can hold that amount of combos for 15h+/day in 2 characters at the same time.

 

> In the end of the day, everyone is blaming "MS op" just bc the only 2% of Wartale who truly UP, prefer to use MS. High levels continue buying service from them, and change to MS to be more comfortable for the service.

 

Doesn't make sense nerf a class just bc hardcore players can extract the max of the class. If GM "kill autoMS", Ata will be the next. Every top level will change to Ata and exp.

 

So... Next topic will be "Nerf Ata pl0x, i don't up or buy service, nerf nerf nerf"?

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Wartale does not revolve around exp service. And you still haven't answered my questions.

 

And again, you are only looking for top players or those who have enough money to pay for service/change.

 

I have coins to change classes, you also have coins, and many of our respective clans too. But what about 14x beginners or players who don't have coins? or even those who play with the class they like.

 

I repeat again: fanaticism, causes blindness. You don't want to see the best for the game, but only for your own class / service.

 

 

anyway, I have already left my point of view and this topic will not be of any use to GM.

 

hugs

 

 

[Merenda 767]

  On 3/24/2020 at 10:24 PM, -Enigma- said:

 

Wartale does not revolve around exp service. And you still haven't answered my questions.

 

And again, you are only looking for top players or those who have enough money to pay for service/change.

 

I have coins to change classes, you also have coins, and many of our respective clans too. But what about 14x beginners or players who don't have coins? or even those who play with the class they like.

 

I repeat again: fanaticism, causes blindness. You don't want to see the best for the game, but only for your own class / service.

 

 

anyway, I have already left my point of view and this topic will not be of any use to GM.

 

hugs

 

 

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Unfortunately the UP system 144- actually in server is broken. SS is too more comfortable and "no party depending" then other Maps.

 

Unfortunately, the perspective of new players in a competitive scenario is related to invest to buy a 144+ character.

 

So, at this moment, the major problem about new players isn't MS.

 

Just my opinion, obviously.

 

 

[lucas2310 25]

Nerf já ! 

Bastaaaaaaaa , isso e absurdo !

 

[CLA250 147]

  On 3/23/2020 at 11:02 PM, CLA250 said:

Should focus on buffing other classes to make them enjoyable like the Auto Mech

 

Its true Auto Mech is completely broken but should try to balance others to make it equally as strong before nerfing any other classes.

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[flouks 41]

+1, ms can damage 15-20k per hit, other class only 5-7kmax (13k if can get a critic in max)

[marce2125 107]

  On 3/25/2020 at 12:02 AM, CLA250 said:

Should focus on buffing other classes to make them enjoyable like the Auto Mech

 

Its true Auto Mech is completely broken but should try to balance others to make it equally as strong before nerfing any other classes.

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^This

[suesue 235]

I wonder why some class pure damage like AS and ATS deal less than hybird class like MS?. 

[Smilo 109]

  On 3/25/2020 at 3:19 PM, suesue said:

I wonder why some class pure damage like AS and ATS deal less than hybird class like MS?. 

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exactly. Especially cause archer and ata got ranged skills and should be much higher with a costume using full agility... instead a melee char who can play everything without ranged skills..

[bigpro 148]

i think 1 nerf auto ms.

or 2 make all char same or close to auto ms

so i can play my fav char

like fs/ps  and kill same as ms

and not use fucking auto ms bored with free tanker prs and use 232939 build to up pvp etc

so nerf auto ms.

2 strengthen the rest

3 make balance on all account ? 

 

 

 

 

 

[-Vodka- 686]

  On 3/24/2020 at 5:36 PM, netto94 said:

 

AutoMS need NERF asap.

 

Or buff all others classes in PvE to be enjoyable to play too.

 

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As long as the top 1 server is mech the nerf will not happen. Or do you think the wartale team wants the strongest players to stop playing?

It is really complicated, the mech is absolutely very strong, the nerf is necessary but it involves more issues around, unfortunately.

[YK-CS 48]

It’s the style of wartale... After a few months, one char will be OP again and change class will be in demand again. Then another, will be OP and soon. See this coming patch about T5 skills, if it will be released. 

[-HONOME- 14]

  On 3/25/2020 at 10:26 PM, -Vodka- said:

As long as the top 1 server is mech the nerf will not happen. Or do you think the wartale team wants the strongest players to stop playing?

It is really complicated, the mech is absolutely very strong, the nerf is necessary but it involves more issues around, unfortunately.

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buffing other classes in pve?

[Smilo 109]

  On 3/25/2020 at 10:26 PM, -Vodka- said:

As long as the top 1 server is mech the nerf will not happen. Or do you think the wartale team wants the strongest players to stop playing?

It is really complicated, the mech is absolutely very strong, the nerf is necessary but it involves more issues around, unfortunately.

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And the mechs cant change class after that ? Wartale team could get many donations from that.... Most people just play Mech cause its OP not cause they like the class. Im sure there are many other players (more than mechs) which would be happy about a nerf of ms so other classes get more attractive too and getting parties everywhere. 

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[HolzK 37]

-1

[Smilo 109]

  On 3/26/2020 at 11:53 AM, HolzK said:

-1

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helps much. im sure u got a mech...

[HolzK 37]

cry?

  On 3/26/2020 at 12:06 PM, Smilo said:

helps much. im sure u got a mech...

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[Smilo 109]

  On 3/26/2020 at 12:08 PM, HolzK said:

cry?

 

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this is a suggestion topic. How about keeping your cry shit talk somewhere else ? then let others discuss if thats not an option for you...

[HolzK 37]

I have the freedom to speak wherever I want.
if you are uncomfortable, remove yourself

 

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