Just a question (MS)

[Palhacitos 481]

1 hour ago, Support said:

 

This will be heavily depend on user not us, stay tune.

I will try to arrange the chars of some friends the classes to perform the tests.

And as soon as everything is finished I will post a more concrete result.

If you can contribute something, it would be great. 

 

Thank you

[-Enigma- 190]

29 minutes ago, Moussi7 said:

Gm
to make all clear u have any idea what is the best way to change?
Maybe balance ms a little bit like make Speed of Hit with Bow abit slower?
Boost the very weak charas Like KS?

Add Pet HP like to tank for atleast 1:30 min?

I Think this things will be good For all who are currently Auto MS/Rangers and KS

 

changing the atk speed is not ideal and would not solve it.

 

he will need to change a ONE skill that will end this whole discussion: skill Automation of T2 mech ...only it decreases from 200% to 150% (the ideal number for him to decrease I don't know, he is the GM and he needs to test to know and say better)

 

[- D E A T H S T R O K E - 1,764]

 

27 minutes ago, you2kyo said:

Uhhh, yes, it has everything to do with skill balance. If MS has a better exp gain than any other class, it means the skill is overpowered because he can kill mobs much faster. Therefore, making the build, not the character, unbalanced

I agree with you on that, but, I still don't get why ppl keep repeating the same thing over and over again, the staff already told he is going to do something related to balance,  if they don't want to nerf or won't nerf now, they probably have their reasons, just wait for the project to be announced before jumping to conclusions. I'm not an auto mech, before anyone jump to conclusion.

[Destination 29]

Buff For other class by add more % damage on certain type of monster. it is actually fun to change skill all the time to kill certain monster. it is not affect in PVP

Ex:  KS kill UD very fast . i think faster than MS auto.

FS Bone crash. u can see it can kill faster than ms auto. i see fs 159  bone crash on turtle damge 17-18k

Lower stm, mana consume for other class  special ata class may be other class too.

Auto MS is beautiful thing in Wartale. Nerf is not solve the problem. 

Auto Ms actually better damage to AS.  it because it weaker than AS when come to auto.( u can test it BC)

Buff for Other Class i think that work better  than Nerf MS.

 

[ChainLancer 101]

2 hours ago, Palhacitos said:

I will try to arrange the chars of some friends the classes to perform the tests.

And as soon as everything is finished I will post a more concrete result.

If you can contribute something, it would be great. 

 

Thank you

You just waste your time.

 

You are not suppose to test this.

 

GM and some others already tested everything.

 

The difficulty here is decision to nerf MS because the % players in server playing MS.

 

=> they will complain if nerfing MS.

 

=> how to compensate if they nerf MS is the point.

 

=> better to ask to add some damage to other chars in PVE.

 

I think they already have some options.

 

Just wait and see.

 

2 hours ago, - D E A T H S T R O K E - said:

 

I agree with you on that, but, I still don't get why ppl keep repeating the same thing over and over again, the staff already told he is going to do something related to balance,  if they don't want to nerf or won't nerf now, they probably have their reasons, just wait for the project to be announced before jumping to conclusions. I'm not an auto mech, before anyone jump to conclusion.

 

Because the situation lasted for many years but the decision is not made.

 

Edited May 10, 2020 by ChainLancer

[Palhacitos 481]

2 hours ago, ChainLancer said:

The difficulty here is decision to nerf MS because the % players in server playing MS

This is the real reason why it is so difficult to get a nerf in MS.

If we take the number of active players above lvl 144.

We will see the number of MS.

In other words, who has MS (about 60% or more) does everything to prevent Nerf from happening.

 

4 hours ago, Destination said:

Buff For other class by add more % damage on certain type of monster. it is actually fun to change skill all the time to kill certain monster. it is not affect in PVP

Ex:  KS kill UD very fast . i think faster than MS auto.

FS Bone crash. u can see it can kill faster than ms auto. i see fs 159  bone crash on turtle damge 17-18k

Lower stm, mana consume for other class  special ata class may be other class too.

Auto MS is beautiful thing in Wartale. Nerf is not solve the problem. 

Auto Ms actually better damage to AS.  it because it weaker than AS when come to auto.( u can test it BC)

Buff for Other Class i think that work better  than Nerf MS.

 

I think you forgot something.

If we kill all types of SS mobs.

And we kill one by one, in the end who gets more Exp?

An FS 159 or An MS 159 (sometimes even at a lower level)

 

About BC, which is not the point here but any auto MS can change its build and not become useless in BC. 

 

I agree with you that I was a buff in other classes, but for economic reasons this becomes impracticable. 

Edited May 10, 2020 by Palhacitos

[Unlimit 5]

5 hours ago, Destination said:

Buff For other class by add more % damage on certain type of monster. it is actually fun to change skill all the time to kill certain monster. it is not affect in PVP

Ex:  KS kill UD very fast . i think faster than MS auto.

FS Bone crash. u can see it can kill faster than ms auto. i see fs 159  bone crash on turtle damge 17-18k

Lower stm, mana consume for other class  special ata class may be other class too.

Auto MS is beautiful thing in Wartale. Nerf is not solve the problem. 

Auto Ms actually better damage to AS.  it because it weaker than AS when come to auto.( u can test it BC)

Buff for Other Class i think that work better  than Nerf MS.

 

+1 . You talk all correct.

[nguyenags103 3]

I don't understand why some people are complaining about MS. To be an MS auto and to get that damage, you need a tanker with good gears which mean you already have to invest heavily into 2 characters. While with other classes like PK, KS, or other melees, they can solo and kills in SS. 

About the exp gaining, MS actually receive only 60% of the exp gaining on killing mobs because they need to party with their tankers and split half the total exp. While if you have 2 killers, your total exp gaining could be double. 

I think most people are complaining because they are solo melees and do not want/afford another character. But they need to consider how expensive it is to invest in a combo MS/Prs to exp in SS. So people deserve more advantages if they are willing to invest more. It is a simple concept.

Plus, auto MS can't BC or just be one of the worst classes. So they deserve to have other advantages in exp. 

At the end, I would think GM and game DEV should encourage people to have more characters or playing more MS/prs combos for example. Because it will keep players loyal into the game. Just imagine, if you already invested so much into this game, you would want to stick with it longer. It is common sense.

[DarkLink64 921]

On 5/9/2020 at 6:33 AM, Support said:

Let put an end to this, there is no edited items of any kind exist in server even for GM.

I am planning for something that will put an end to the unbalance of all classes.

Need to prep it and should be announced in next few day.

There are indeed edited items. I think 4 or 5 accounts that got into 160 first received 160 weapons where they have plus 5 on Atk Damage.
This was carried over on top of current weapons, because they were given back when the best weapon was level 136. Same happened with an event years ago where a winner got a edited item.

Not sure if they enter on the "edited" item subject, I guess people are refering for items that are manualy edited.

 

Edited May 10, 2020 by DarkLink64

[Support 4,456]

Item 160 is a new item and can only be given as reward for first 2 up level 160 (n00b and NamYet) long time ago if I am not wrong since it was before my time. No one else in server have it. Those 2 users worked hard to earn it so please don't mention it here like they are some sort of VIP or buying it while other can't.

 

Edited item is where additional stat is added to it where are other have the same one but does not have it.

If any one have evidence of edited item exist in server right now please feel free to post here, I will take care of it.

If not please move on, stop assuming or thinking you know and don't live in the past.

 

About MS: As mention we are aware of the issue that does not mean we will ignore it.

[DarkLink64 921]

45 minutes ago, Support said:

Item 160 is a new item and can only be given as reward for first 2 up level 160 (n00b and NamYet) long time ago if I am not wrong since it was before my time. No one else in server have it. Those 2 users worked hard to earn it so please don't mention it here like they are some sort of VIP or buying it while other can't.

 

Edited item is where additional stat is added to it where are other have the same one but does not have it.

If any one have evidence of edited item exist in server right now please feel free to post here, I will take care of it.

If not please move on, stop assuming or thinking you know and don't live in the past.

 

About MS: As mention we are aware of the issue that does not mean we will ignore it.

Im not putting on that way, i just pointed out that there are indeed items in the server that have more stats, like the 160 ones, and is unattainable for normal players. Even I have one edited item, it doesnt have extra status, but i have an Xmas Sword that has the very same stats of a 122 perfect sword.



I think you should rephrase and say that there aren't edited items that yields more status, like you've said, as if it was some kind of VIP stuff. But, there are indeed edited items and I feel like a VIP for having a sword like this ❤️

It's required level got bugged after a maintenance though - it was supposed to be 133 i guess.

 

Edited May 10, 2020 by DarkLink64

[DarkLink64 921]

5 minutes ago, vBerbes said:

@Support

Hi this is 1 of my old time accounts where in that time gm-kenni logged my account to finish a quest that was bugged cant really remember what quest (believe lvl 100) so he edit it some stats around to finish the quest faster or whatever but didnt change it back to normal but i quit the game many years later i come back i see its still the same as back then but didnt say anything about its low lvl 115 dont play it whatever its a mule i use for items etc here is a pic of my stats please change them back to normal or whatever delete char do whatever

 

 

whats edit about it the stats are the same as 122+22 nothing edit about it its just a skin lol

It's not a weapon skin, it is a 122 Sword with Halloween assets. It's more like a 122 sword with edited skin and name. And i'm sure you cant have one like mine in the game whatsoever! 

To be honest i dont know if it was edited or some kind of super early events that let players modify their sword, because I traded this Xmas Sword for my normal 122 Sword, the previous owner said he didnt liked the visuals haha

 

Edited May 10, 2020 by DarkLink64

[DarkLink64 921]

O Shat i've been saying Xmas Sword, pardon, its Halloween Sword haha

But i still got a early Xmas Sword that was able to get mixes!


I'm sure this one is EXTREMELY rare and its value is very high. But its mine ❤️

 

Edited May 10, 2020 by DarkLink64

[Support 4,456]

40 minutes ago, vBerbes said:

 

 

You can fix that with blue stone.

I did that btw.

 

About the sword, not even sure what edit about it since they are clone item.

[Palhacitos 481]

1 hour ago, Support said:

 

 

You can fix that with blue stone.

I did that btw.

 

About the sword, not even sure what edit about it since they are clone item.

About the halloween sword it was possible to acquire during the halloween event by opening the boxes.

 

About Xmas a long time ago it was possible to make Mix. However, it was withdrawn shortly afterwards.

[vinixD 383]

1 hour ago, DarkLink64 said:

O Shat i've been saying Xmas Sword, pardon, its Halloween Sword haha

But i still got a early Xmas Sword that was able to get mixes!


I'm sure this one is EXTREMELY rare and its value is very high. But its mine ❤️

 

Isnt that from old christmas event that you could clone your wp? same goes for halloween item.

[Palhacitos 481]

12 hours ago, nguyenags103 said:

I don't understand why some people are complaining about MS. To be an MS auto and to get that damage, you need a tanker with good gears which mean you already have to invest heavily into 2 characters. While with other classes like PK, KS, or other melees, they can solo and kills in SS. 

About the exp gaining, MS actually receive only 60% of the exp gaining on killing mobs because they need to party with their tankers and split half the total exp. While if you have 2 killers, your total exp gaining could be double. 

I think most people are complaining because they are solo melees and do not want/afford another character. But they need to consider how expensive it is to invest in a combo MS/Prs to exp in SS. So people deserve more advantages if they are willing to invest more. It is a simple concept.

Plus, auto MS can't BC or just be one of the worst classes. So they deserve to have other advantages in exp. 

At the end, I would think GM and game DEV should encourage people to have more characters or playing more MS/prs combos for example. Because it will keep players loyal into the game. Just imagine, if you already invested so much into this game, you would want to stick with it longer. It is common sense.

Wrong when you say who is expensive to assemble two characters.

The price you spend to assemble two MS + PRS characters is cheaper than assembling a KS. And the MS will kill at least 30% more.

12 hours ago, nguyenags103 said:

I don't understand why some people are complaining about MS. To be an MS auto and to get that damage, you need a tanker with good gears which mean you already have to invest heavily into 2 characters. While with other classes like PK, KS, or other melees, they can solo and kills in SS. 

About the exp gaining, MS actually receive only 60% of the exp gaining on killing mobs because they need to party with their tankers and split half the total exp. While if you have 2 killers, your total exp gaining could be double. 

I think most people are complaining because they are solo melees and do not want/afford another character. But they need to consider how expensive it is to invest in a combo MS/Prs to exp in SS. So people deserve more advantages if they are willing to invest more. It is a simple concept.

Plus, auto MS can't BC or just be one of the worst classes. So they deserve to have other advantages in exp. 

At the end, I would think GM and game DEV should encourage people to have more characters or playing more MS/prs combos for example. Because it will keep players loyal into the game. Just imagine, if you already invested so much into this game, you would want to stick with it longer. It is common sense.

Ok let's put together a composition:

MS 144 =7kc 

Bow 134+22 = 2kc? (only need Bow) 

No need Brac 

No need Gaun 

No need Boots

No need Rings

No need Amulets

No need Shelton 

No need Armor 

No need shield

 

Prs 144 = 7kc

Robe 128+22 = 1.5kc

Orb 128+22 = 1.5kc

Set 136 Bsol = 1.5kc 

Set boss 1 bom = 1kc

 

TOTAL = 21.5kc

 

Now I need your help to build a KS, FS, PS etc that can be a tank equal to Prs and kill like MS. 

 

At least the KS, FS, PS etc will need Armor and Shield 136 + 22, And do you really think item 134 + 22 will kill like MS?

Edited May 11, 2020 by Palhacitos

[nguyenags103 3]

12 hours ago, Palhacitos said:

Ok let's put together a composition:

MS 144 =7kc 

Bow 134+22 = 2kc? (only need Bow) 

No need Brac 

No need Gaun 

No need Boots

No need Rings

No need Amulets

No need Shelton 

No need Armor 

No need shield

 

Prs 144 = 7kc

Robe 128+22 = 1.5kc

Orb 128+22 = 1.5kc

Set 136 Bsol = 1.5kc 

Set boss 1 bom = 1kc

 

TOTAL = 21.5kc

 

Now I need your help to build a KS, FS, PS etc that can be a tank equal to Prs and kill like MS. 

 

At least the KS, FS, PS etc will need Armor and Shield 136 + 22, And do you really think item 134 + 22 will kill like MS?

My prs is 148 with 136 dnt +24 and sometimes having hard time to tank. Why didn't you show your ms/prs combo equipment in your video ? Plus other melees can do the same combo too with prs. Have you seen combo with ks/fs and prs healing wearing summer cloth in SS? Its another great combo. That's case you do not even need to equip your prs. 

Also remember MS only receive 60% of exp while melees can get full exp. 

Anyways, everyone need to be creative in their playing styles. Use different characters to enhance your main char advantages. But some people always whine and all about jealousy first when they see others are able to find better strategy than them. 

[BigFoot 375]

9 minutes ago, nguyenags103 said:

Also remember MS only receive 60% of exp while melees can get full exp. 

this is new for me, why 60% exp ? where do you get that information ?

[Palhacitos 481]

15 minutes ago, nguyenags103 said:

Also remember MS only receive 60% of exp while melees can get full exp.

Where did you get that MS only receive 60% of XP?

 

15 minutes ago, nguyenags103 said:

My prs is 148 with 136 dnt +24

if I said that PRS with 128 + 22 can be a tank, you can be sure that I tested it.

I don't say anything before testing.

 

15 minutes ago, nguyenags103 said:

Anyways, everyone need to be creative in their playing styles

creativity is to put a bow on the MS

and kill more any other class.
excellent playing style

 

I don't even need to talk about the various MS using VmWare.
playing practically alone.
just shift + click.

 

Edited May 11, 2020 by Palhacitos

[BigFoot 375]

to be fair, when KS have undead pet high attack power, it's like x2 dmg on mobs, ppl tell it have to be nerf, GM nerf it.
now it's really the same situation with auto MS.

either neft auto MS or bring back undead pet power for KS

Edited May 11, 2020 by BigFoot

[nguyenags103 3]

22 minutes ago, Palhacitos said:

Where did you get that MS only receive 60% of XP?

Does your tanker kill? If you party a tanker, it's 60% exp gain for each member. 

[BigFoot 375]

1 minute ago, nguyenags103 said:

Does your tanker kill? If you party a tanker, it's 60% exp gain for each member. 

we are not talking about leech tanker here bro, we talk about auto MS

[nguyenags103 3]

3 minutes ago, BigFoot said:

we are not talking about leech tanker here bro, we talk about auto MS

lol so your auto ms can tank by itself. You complain about their damage but ignore the fact they must have a tanker? Please be reasonable.

[-Enigma- 190]

7 minutes ago, nguyenags103 said:

Does your tanker kill? If you party a tanker, it's 60% exp gain for each member. 

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it's so cool to see the arguments for trying to defend auto mech ... People are desperate ... please continue!