150 MS Auto VS FS 150 in SS - Efficient Investment - Char Balance solution.

[Keanu 61]

3 hours ago, ChainLancer said:

 

I have played all chars in game.

 

And now i do not have any chars now because im too busy to play game but i hope i will come back soon.

 

Why i pick FS orKS, PS is the same because they have the same investment  => i just pick 1 of them.

 

My topic is clear about Invesment for SS exp and hunt.

 

Cause it's lasted hunt and exp map.

 

 

Someone already made Test.

 

And just talk about Invesment.

 

 

 

For Conclusion, 

 

I and many gamer are trying the Best for Balance and Fair for every chars.

MS is my 1st char in Wartale and i also like him. But all gamers need balace for their chars.

 

 

 

Let me give you back the scenario. Let's say they nerfed automs in SS and it's "balanced". Then would you ignore the fact that FS is OP in PVP with the same items? Whereas the automs, has to buy new gears if he wants to go bc (which means ms has to spend more)? So in that point, are you going to make another post to nerf FS in BC because it's OP? 

I have been playing the game since the beginning of the server and trust me, nerfing one char isn't a solution. It will just become a cycle because if you nerf one char, the other char will be noticed to be OP just because there's nothing left more. That's what the GM was always saying in their replies. You can't just nerf one char and doing a balance isn't just a simple task. 

Again what you are quoting about Clem's post wasn't even a solution. It was merely Clem's feedback and test about classes. There was no solution on how to balance the classes. Also at the end of his post he clearly said "This topic is just to show the current situation !". Not a solution

[ChainLancer 98]

29 minutes ago, Keanu said:

 

Let me give you back the scenario. Let's say they nerfed automs in SS and it's "balanced". Then would you ignore the fact that FS is OP in PVP with the same items? Whereas the automs, has to buy new gears if he wants to go bc (which means ms has to spend more)? So in that point, are you going to make another post to nerf FS in BC because it's OP? 

I have been playing the game since the beginning of the server and trust me, nerfing one char isn't a solution. It will just become a cycle because if you nerf one char, the other char will be noticed to be OP just because there's nothing left more. That's what the GM was always saying in their replies. You can't just nerf one char and doing a balance isn't just a simple task. 

Again what you are quoting about Clem's post wasn't even a solution. It was merely Clem's feedback and test about classes. There was no solution on how to balance the classes. Also at the end of his post he clearly said "This topic is just to show the current situation !". Not a solution

I see many chars Nerf in in this game.

 

Actually i do not give the solution is Nerf MS.

 

Maybe we Nerf something but we Improve something.

 

And make a char balance more.

[Lyseria 1,821]

28 minutes ago, Keanu said:

Whereas the automs, has to buy new gears if he wants to go bc (which means ms has to spend more)

Since he's a class that can use all types of weapons, it's natural mechs have more gears to switch between his builds.

[Keanu 61]

4 minutes ago, Lyseria said:

Since he's a class that can use all types of weapons, it's natural mechs have more gears to switch between his builds.

 

Thanks for stating the obvious. If you haven't noticed, we are comparing the situations and the items or money spent per factor on classes. Unless automs can tank with bow. ?

[Lyseria 1,821]

13 minutes ago, Keanu said:

Thanks for stating the obvious.

Sry, I was just answering your question, it looked like you didn't know the obvious xD

 

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53 minutes ago, Keanu said:

has to buy new gears if he wants to go bc (which means ms has to spend more)?

 

 

And money spent to equip a char shouldn't be considered to class balance.

[Keanu 61]

1 minute ago, Lyseria said:

Sry, I was just answering your question, it looked like you didn't know the obvious xD

 

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And money spent to equip a char shouldn't be considered to class balance.

 

Maybe you haven't read the entire thread. The author of this post is comparing items ergo money spent on fs vs automs in SS map. 

 

If you won't consider money spent to equip a char then maybe you give the people the gears they need for free? Are you expecting people to wear level 1 items? This is a GAME BALANCE not a class balance for SS map only. Look at the bigger picture kids, don't be selective on your own ideas. Even if you have 16x char but don't have items/money to buy gears then you're still useless.

[Lyseria 1,821]

4 minutes ago, Keanu said:

If you won't consider money spent to equip a char then maybe you give the people the gears they need for free?

No

4 minutes ago, Keanu said:

Are you expecting people to wear level 1 items?

No

5 minutes ago, Keanu said:

This is a GAME BALANCE not a class balance for SS map only.

Yea

5 minutes ago, Keanu said:

Look at the bigger picture kids, don't be selective on your own ideas. Even if you have 16x char but don't have items/money to buy gears then you're still useless.

Yea papa, money spent to equip a char usually is set by players, not staff, that's why it shouldn't be considered, if the staff consider balance all classes by items price, everything should be fine now, because items on Coin Shop has the same price for all.

[bellum12345 16]

why don't you just take a lvl 144 prs with HP build and 128 items? It would be much cheaper than a 150 prs with 138 items

[Ak3rU_ 18]

On 5/18/2020 at 7:18 AM, bellum12345 said:

why don't you just take a lvl 144 prs with HP build and 128 items? It would be much cheaper than a 150 prs with 138 items

i'm currently using prs 144 with 132+22 & set 3 drop bsm and i can still die in SS while regen by bakan or rock

[xunahyo 180]

Because the end-game content is only the last map, which is 144 map, you can sell your ONE fully equip 81kc (price as you mentioned) Lv150 FS, and use that 81kc you can go buy just THREE bows + THREE Lv150 MS (go pick some Lv100 mystic rings, dragon brace, dragon boot, maybe +1 speed costume), and you are set to go with 3 chars, 

 

open THREE game windows, and boom, THREE Lv150 ms doing end-game leveling, cheap and efficient, rinse and repeat, and sell exp, sell levels, sell exp-service, and occasionally pick some sweet sweet Lv142 drops, kill some last map bosses win some lottos,  

 

that's because the only end-game PvE content is sadly the last map, 

 

just imaging the only end-game content is Lv70 CT1 picking up gold with you mischievous FS summoned Hellion without map level restriction, all the other classes will cry, because there is no other end-game content for them to go to, and everyone now sells their AutoMS and buy many naked Lv150 FS with just an AXE. You get what I mean? now the situation is obviously and totally reversed.

 

just like I said, staff have no idea how to do balance, yes every class is different, a naked AutoMS with just a bow is excellent at 1v1 hunt map, a naked HellionFS is excellent at mass gold picking, BUT always the end-game content is designed for just some specific class to max out, 

 

our end-game content is never suitable for all classes (I don't even want all classes, at least most of the classes?) in term of coin-investment VS. play-time VS. reward, always the gap is so huge between them, 

 

there were other viable end-game contents to do farming, but all nerf to shit and oblivion, 

 

EXP-maps as end-game leveling? maybe as a Mg or Prs? can just go play some AutoMS in 144 map leveling and kill some 144 boss, 

 

Boss-farming as end-game farming? maybe as a FS or KS? can just go play some AutoMS in 144 map leveling and kill some 144 boss, 

 

SoD as end-game farming? maybe as a FS or MG? can just go play some AutoMS in 144 map leveling and kill some 144 boss, 

 

CT3 as end-game farming? maybe as a KS or MG or PRS or even PS? can just go play some AutoMS in 144 map leveling and kill some 144 boss, 

 

EXP-service as end-game farming? owner change class to AutoMS? can just go play some AutoMS in 144 map leveling and kill some 144 boss, 

 

like what else is there in the end-game content? nerf. nerf. nerf. more off-balance, yes AutoMS all day 144 map, most efficient, best leveling, best lottos, easiest to play, cheapest to invest, most relaxing to macro,

 

sigh.. 20 years down the road, AutoMS is all we do

[Immortal 40]

Nerf weaker classes and keep good classes as they are.

[Palhacitos 480]

3 hours ago, Ak3rU_ said:

i'm currently using prs 144 with 132+22 & set 3 drop bsm and i can still die in SS while regen by bakan or rock

U need to train a little. ?
my PRS 144 with items 128 + 22 never died in SS. 

[ripr3k 27]

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[ripr3k 27]

On 5/10/2020 at 10:11 PM, ChainLancer said:

Dear community,

 

Hello, because many arguments about Auto MS (or Rangers char in general) about the Balance. I want to make it clear in aspect of Investment.

 

I just write something about the Investment of 150 Auto MS and 150 FS to play in top MAP to let you know:

 

1. The difference of Investment.
2. Current issue.
3. Solution.

 

I choose FS because for me, FS is the lead char of Melee, can represent of all melee char in most server.

 

Items chosen is for playing well in SS.

 

 

Let's begin:

 

1. The difference of Investment.

 

Unit: 1000 coins/KC

 

Fs 150	15.0
Armor 140 + 24 Dnt	8.0
Shield 140  + 24 Dnt	8.0
Axe 138 + 24 Dnt	8.0
Axe 142 + 24	15.0
Brac 140 Bsolm Dnt	3.0
Gaun 140 Bsolm Dnt	3.0
Draxos Bsolm	15.0
Set boss 3 Dnt	6.0
Total	81.0

 

150 FS Full + 24 = 81kc. 142+24 i choose because most FS kill rock and barkan = 1 hand to easy to survive.

 

MS 150	15.0
Bow 138 + 24  Dnt	8.0
Hell Set 134 Bsolm	1.5
Set ring 132 BSM	0.5
Hopy Bsolm	1.0
Total	26.0

 

 

PRS 150	15.0
Rob 136 + 24 dnt	4.0
Orb 136 + 24 dnt	4.0
Set 136 Dnt Bsolm	2.0
Set boss 3 Dnt	6.0
Total	31.0

 

Grand total 150 Auto MS + 150 Prs full =  57 KC

 

We can see the difference of Investment here is: 81kc vs 57kc. (1)

 

      2.Current issue.

 

150 FS full item's damage: max ~ 2000.

150 Auto MS: max ~ 4000.

=> Double damage . (2)

I still not mention about speed, atk rating, crit but Ms is better than.

 

(1) and (2) => MS is "OP" and not fair.

 

As player spend almost time  to Exp and Hunt. So, can not say that u can use char for other purpose.

 

   3. Solution: (i will back soon)

 

 

FS s trash for up r u retard?

 

[lefaucheur 159]

fs papel

#nerfFSSenpaiMorreuPnatsu

[Hawaii2 615]

i think most issue = human being

because they never get satisfied. Look at all the classes now.

Previously Mage rocks with stone spike on pvp = nerfed

Ks rocks in lightning sword on pvp = nerfed ( holy incan pet do good assist dmg = nerfed again )

You always have an option, why keep comparing? we are players here. should suggest a better way instead of nerf-ing all classes 1 by 1.

Try to think of another way, try to work it out on all classes.

 

And for this post you are comparing the price for a Fs 15x Full Donate with a Automech + Prs ( Hunt Mode Build )

Try to add on armor / shield / claw / 2 hand for pvp as well. ( because some mech still go pvp after they bored of exping )

[ChainLancer 98]

9 minutes ago, Hawaii2 said:

i think most issue = human being

because they never get satisfied. Look at all the classes now.

Previously Mage rocks with stone spike on pvp = nerfed

Ks rocks in lightning sword on pvp = nerfed ( holy incan pet do good assist dmg = nerfed again )

You always have an option, why keep comparing? we are players here. should suggest a better way instead of nerf-ing all classes 1 by 1.

Try to think of another way, try to work it out on all classes.

 

And for this post you are comparing the price for a Fs 15x Full Donate with a Automech + Prs ( Hunt Mode Build )

Try to add on armor / shield / claw / 2 hand for pvp as well. ( because some mech still go pvp after they bored of exping )

 

Thanks for sharing. But one again:

 

Please read topic and all i wrote for understanding why i focus on SS map (and maybe next maps after SS,SL...)

 

I do not ask GM for nerfing MS or to buff or nerf special char.

 

Just the balance/fair in game.

 

And Do not ask somebody to change to Auto Ms. Bow belongs to Archer and Archer need have most damage when using bow. Current situation is rediculous.

 

P/S: Actually i do not play FS for a long time. My topic is just an example.

 

Recently, i played MGS, ASS, KS, SS.

 

I also played all chars in game for a long time, even ms Auto + Prs, so i know all chars's strength and weekness.

 

And everyone know the truth that currently game is not balance.

 

In this Wartale,  Prison Tale already become MS Tale for a long time but everyone accept that.

 

So, for me no problem. Just tell the truth in game.

[Hawaii2 615]

15 minutes ago, ChainLancer said:

 

Thanks for sharing. But one again:

 

Please read topic and all i wrote for understanding why i focus on SS map (and maybe next maps after SS,SL...)

 

I do not ask GM for nerfing MS or to buff or nerf special char.

 

Just the balance/fair in game.

 

And Do not ask somebody to change to Auto Ms. Bow belongs to Archer and Archer need have most damage when using bow. Current situation is rediculous.

 

P/S: Actually i do not play FS for a long time. My topic is just an example.

 

Recently, i played MGS, ASS, KS, SS.

 

I also played all chars in game for a long time, even ms Auto + Prs, so i know all chars's strength and weekness.

 

And everyone know the truth that currently game is not balance.

 

In this Wartale,  Prison Tale already become MS Tale for a long time but everyone accept that.

 

So, for me no problem. Just tell the truth in game.

 

I think maybe can work on buffing of all classes to be ready for next new exping / hunting map.

That will be really useful for everyone to enjoy the game.

But well, will still leave it to the DEV team to decide.

 

Edited June 4, 2020 by Hawaii2

[nameless10 208]

30 minutes ago, Hawaii2 said:

 

I think maybe can work on buffing of all classes to be ready for next new exping / hunting map.

That will be really useful for everyone to enjoy the game.

But well, will still leave it to the DEV team to decide.

 

mentioning about new map ,

 

I really hope that the new map/maps should be separated between xping and hunting.

 

So we can sustain the value of items, not like what is happening now. SS map is a xp map + hunt map in one.

[Hawaii2 615]

29 minutes ago, nameless10 said:

mentioning about new map ,

 

I really hope that the new map/maps should be separated between xping and hunting.

 

So we can sustain the value of items, not like what is happening now. SS map is a xp map + hunt map in one.

I would say its a all in one. depends on what you looking for.

But since it benefit players. i don't think its really bad for exp + hunting.

Its a win win for working adults. because some only play at night , weekend.

[Hadden 167]

1 hour ago, nameless10 said:

mentioning about new map ,

 

I really hope that the new map/maps should be separated between xping and hunting.

 

So we can sustain the value of items, not like what is happening now. SS map is a xp map + hunt map in one.

 

 

agreed, i think this will be the solution for all.

[jnr 0]

14 hours ago, Hawaii2 said:

i think most issue = human being

because they never get satisfied. Look at all the classes now.

Previously Mage rocks with stone spike on pvp = nerfed

Ks rocks in lightning sword on pvp = nerfed ( holy incan pet do good assist dmg = nerfed again )

You always have an option, why keep comparing? we are players here. should suggest a better way instead of nerf-ing all classes 1 by 1.

Try to think of another way, try to work it out on all classes.

 

And for this post you are comparing the price for a Fs 15x Full Donate with a Automech + Prs ( Hunt Mode Build )

Try to add on armor / shield / claw / 2 hand for pvp as well. ( because some mech still go pvp after they bored of exping )

 

 

 

 

BEST ARGUMENT UNTIL NOW

 

[jnr 0]

14 hours ago, ChainLancer said:

 

Thanks for sharing. But one again:

 

Please read topic and all i wrote for understanding why i focus on SS map (and maybe next maps after SS,SL...)

 

I do not ask GM for nerfing MS or to buff or nerf special char.

 

Just the balance/fair in game.

 

And Do not ask somebody to change to Auto Ms. Bow belongs to Archer and Archer need have most damage when using bow. Current situation is rediculous.

 

P/S: Actually i do not play FS for a long time. My topic is just an example.

 

Recently, i played MGS, ASS, KS, SS.

 

I also played all chars in game for a long time, even ms Auto + Prs, so i know all chars's strength and weekness.

 

And everyone know the truth that currently game is not balance.

 

In this Wartale,  Prison Tale already become MS Tale for a long time but everyone accept that.

 

So, for me no problem. Just tell the truth in game.

 

 

 

STOP CRYING PLEASE

[-MasterChef- 4]

2 minutes ago, jnr said:

STOP CRYING PLEASE

That explains everything

do you have an MS

Edited June 4, 2020 by -MasterChef-