Just an answer (MS)

[iokamazy 31]

I think we all know that auto MS is the best killer on Hunt maps today.

We all know either that everyone can change your class, or trade your char to an MS, and it probably will be cheaper than equip classes like KS, FS or ATA.

But why people dont do it? If autoMS is "so OP" and "so unbalanced"? They dont do it because auto MS is completely nerfed in all other aspects on the game. Lets see how?

AutoMS cant do EXP on EXP Maps like AD or Iron Core.

AutoMS cant make gold on SOD/Bellatra

AutoMS cant kill any good boss since the hit range was amplified 

AutoMS cant play SW and stay 5 seconds on feet

AutoMS cant hunt sheltons on CT3 

AutoMS cant even tank his own mobs on Hunt Maps (you need a PRS, MG, or another tanker MS to do it for you)

"But iokamazy, AutoMS is not a class, the class is MS, and MS can do it all!!!"

 

Yes, a MS can do it all, but you need to have all the items to do it all. You have to change your entire build to use a SparkMS, a PowerMS or a TankerMS. 

Have a full MS is the most expensive thing in the whole game. Compare the costs to have an AutoMS with other classes, is completely ridiculous, cause an AutoMS CAN'T DO WHAT OTHER CLASSES DO! AND THAT'S WHY PPL DON'T CHANGE THEIR CLASSES INTO AUTOMS

The purpose of the Mechanician class is to have ALL KINDS OF BUILDS. The purpose of the class is to be good with ANY WEAPON. 

AutoMS sacrifice everything he can do on game to have a nice KILL on Hunt maps (SS/SL/AW). 

"But iokamazy, AutoMS is supposed to be good on everything, but not THE BEST IN EVERYTHING!"

 

Yes, you guys are right. AutoMS is not supposed to be the most powerful killer with bows. Who should do it? Archers, of course. But Archers have the same damage on hunt maps than melee classes. So what we need to do? Buff Archers, or nerf AutoMS, so all rangers will have the same damage as melee classes? Hmmm... Is the discussion going into the right way? I dont think so...

 

 

 

 

 

[Lyseria 1,826]

7 minutes ago, iokamazy said:

AutoMS cant do EXP on EXP Maps like AD or Iron Core.

AutoMS cant make gold on SOD/Bellatra

AutoMS cant kill any good boss since the hit range was amplified 

AutoMS cant play SW and stay 5 seconds on feet

AutoMS cant hunt sheltons on CT3 

AutoMS cant even tank his own mobs on Hunt Maps (you need a PRS, MG, or another tanker MS to do it for you

 

7 minutes ago, iokamazy said:

But iokamazy, AutoMS is supposed to be good on everything, but not THE BEST IN EVERYTHING!

[iokamazy 31]

1 minute ago, Lyseria said:

9 minutes ago, iokamazy said:

AutoMS cant do EXP on EXP Maps like AD or Iron Core.

AutoMS cant make gold on SOD/Bellatra

AutoMS cant kill any good boss since the hit range was amplified 

AutoMS cant play SW and stay 5 seconds on feet

AutoMS cant hunt sheltons on CT3 

AutoMS cant even tank his own mobs on Hunt Maps (you need a PRS, MG, or another tanker MS to do it for you

 

9 minutes ago, iokamazy said:

But iokamazy, AutoMS is supposed to be good on everything, but not THE BEST IN EVERYTHING!

Maybe u want to tell me how a PowerMS is the best on PVP/SW
Maybe u want to tell me how a SparkMS is the best on SOD and EXP Maps

Maybe u want to tell me how any build on MS is the best boss hunter build
Or maybe u can just read the rest of the text, and see what is my point. ?

[Palhacitos 481]

6 minutes ago, iokamazy said:

I think we all know that auto MS is the best killer on Hunt maps today.

We all know either that everyone can change your class, or trade your char to an MS, and it probably will be cheaper than equip classes like KS, FS or ATA.

But why people dont do it? If autoMS is "so OP" and "so unbalanced"? They dont do it because auto MS is completely nerfed in all other aspects on the game. Lets see how?

AutoMS cant do EXP on EXP Maps like AD or Iron Core.

AutoMS cant make gold on SOD/Bellatra

AutoMS cant kill any good boss since the hit range was amplified 

AutoMS cant play SW and stay 5 seconds on feet

AutoMS cant hunt sheltons on CT3 

AutoMS cant even tank his own mobs on Hunt Maps (you need a PRS, MG, or another tanker MS to do it for you)

"But iokamazy, AutoMS is not a class, the class is MS, and MS can do it all!!!"

 

Yes, a MS can do it all, but you need to have all the items to do it all. You have to change your entire build to use a SparkMS, a PowerMS or a TankerMS. 

Have a full MS is the most expensive thing in the whole game. Compare the costs to have an AutoMS with other classes, is completely ridiculous, cause an AutoMS CAN'T DO WHAT OTHER CLASSES DO! AND THAT'S WHY PPL DON'T CHANGE THEIR CLASSES INTO AUTOMS

The purpose of the Mechanician class is to have ALL KINDS OF BUILDS. The purpose of the class is to be good with ANY WEAPON. 

AutoMS sacrifice everything he can do on game to have a nice KILL on Hunt maps (SS/SL/AW). 

"But iokamazy, AutoMS is supposed to be good on everything, but not THE BEST IN EVERYTHING!"

 

Yes, you guys are right. AutoMS is not supposed to be the most powerful killer with bows. Who should do it? Archers, of course. But Archers have the same damage on hunt maps than melee classes. So what we need to do? Buff Archers, or nerf AutoMS, so all rangers will have the same damage as melee classes? Hmmm... Is the discussion going into the right way? I dont think so...

 

 

 

 

 

They are not going to improve AS and ATA or any other class so it would just make Exp easier than it is today.

So the easiest and fastest way is to decrease the power of autoMS.

Currently the automs is the strongest in SS, caused about 30% more damage than AS and ATA.

[Lyseria 1,826]

3 minutes ago, iokamazy said:

Maybe u want to tell me how a PowerMS is the best on PVP/SW
Maybe u want to tell me how a SparkMS is the best on SOD and EXP Maps

Maybe u want to tell me how any build on MS is the best boss hunter build

I'm not supposed to teach you how to play.

1 minute ago, iokamazy said:

Or maybe u can just read the rest of the text, and see what is my point.

I've read everything, and makes no sense.

[iokamazy 31]

7 minutes ago, Palhacitos said:

They are not going to improve AS and ATA or any other class so it would just make Exp easier than it is today.

So the easiest and fastest way is to decrease the power of autoMS.

Currently the automs is the strongest in SS, caused about 30% more damage than AS and ATA.

Well, i think its fair a bow giving more damage than a spear, since the first one is 2-handed, and the other one, is 1-handed right?
And why do u think that nerf MS is simple than buff Archer damage on SS? Archers are clearly harmed, archers are supposed to have the biggest damage on 1v1, they are supposed to have the biggest DPS 1v1 on game. 
In a simple analysis, we can see that is not the MS that are overpowered, and the Archer that is underpowered. 

4 minutes ago, Lyseria said:

I'm not supposed to teach you how to play.

Good argument. As we can see, MS is not the best on anything =D

Edited May 11, 2020 by iokamazy

[Palhacitos 481]

1 minute ago, iokamazy said:

Well, i think its fair a bow giving more damage than a spear, since the first one is 2-handed, and the other one, is 1-handed right?
And why do u think that nerf MS is simple than buff Archer damage on SS? Archers is clearly harmed, archers are supposed to have the biggest damage on 1v1, they are supposed to have the biggest DPS 1v1 on game. 
In a simple analysis, we can see that is not the MS that are overpowered, and the Archer that is underpowered. 

If the Exp service is currently 70c or 100c.

If the damage of the AS increases, that value would be even lower.

Do you know what that would entail? Items with less value, accounts with less value, etc.

Therefore, in a simple way, the ideal is to decrease the damage of the MS to the point that it is equal to an AS.

[iokamazy 31]

Just now, Palhacitos said:

Therefore, in a simple way, the ideal is to decrease the damage of the MS to the point that it is equal to an AS.

So, u are suggesting to make rangers with no tank potencial to have the same damage as melee ones?
Cool...
 

 

1 minute ago, Palhacitos said:

Do you know what that would entail? Items with less value, accounts with less value, etc.

Yeah, i think this is what happen when the game evolve... or chars & items today have the same value as they have years ago? 

[Palhacitos 481]

9 minutes ago, iokamazy said:

So, u are suggesting to make rangers with no tank potencial to have the same damage as melee ones?
Cool...

No, AS needs no change. But MS, yes, it need

[iokamazy 31]

1 minute ago, Palhacitos said:

No, AS needs no change. But MS, yes, it need

So, it is exactly what u want: make ranger classes with pure builds, specialy the ones who uses BOWS (Archers and Mechs) to have the same damage as Melee classes =D

Really u don't see anything wrong on this?

 

[ChainLancer 101]

35 minutes ago, iokamazy said:

I think we all know that auto MS is the best killer on Hunt maps today.

We all know either that everyone can change your class, or trade your char to an MS, and it probably will be cheaper than equip classes like KS, FS or ATA.

But why people dont do it? If autoMS is "so OP" and "so unbalanced"? They dont do it because auto MS is completely nerfed in all other aspects on the game. Lets see how?

AutoMS cant do EXP on EXP Maps like AD or Iron Core.

AutoMS cant make gold on SOD/Bellatra

AutoMS cant kill any good boss since the hit range was amplified 

AutoMS cant play SW and stay 5 seconds on feet

AutoMS cant hunt sheltons on CT3 

AutoMS cant even tank his own mobs on Hunt Maps (you need a PRS, MG, or another tanker MS to do it for you)

"But iokamazy, AutoMS is not a class, the class is MS, and MS can do it all!!!"

 

Yes, a MS can do it all, but you need to have all the items to do it all. You have to change your entire build to use a SparkMS, a PowerMS or a TankerMS. 

Have a full MS is the most expensive thing in the whole game. Compare the costs to have an AutoMS with other classes, is completely ridiculous, cause an AutoMS CAN'T DO WHAT OTHER CLASSES DO! AND THAT'S WHY PPL DON'T CHANGE THEIR CLASSES INTO AUTOMS

The purpose of the Mechanician class is to have ALL KINDS OF BUILDS. The purpose of the class is to be good with ANY WEAPON. 

AutoMS sacrifice everything he can do on game to have a nice KILL on Hunt maps (SS/SL/AW). 

"But iokamazy, AutoMS is supposed to be good on everything, but not THE BEST IN EVERYTHING!"

 

Yes, you guys are right. AutoMS is not supposed to be the most powerful killer with bows. Who should do it? Archers, of course. But Archers have the same damage on hunt maps than melee classes. So what we need to do? Buff Archers, or nerf AutoMS, so all rangers will have the same damage as melee classes? Hmmm... Is the discussion going into the right way? I dont think so...

 

 

 

 

 

Hello bro,

 

You write too long but i do not know your summary.

 

My understand that you have 2 points:

 

1. MS is not strong in everthing, right?

2.  Ms need to sarcrifice everything to have damage, right?

 

I want to say something that:

 

1. Someone say that: in game char is strong in some aspect EXP/AOE/BC...

 

=> Check time: How long and how many players stay in SS map vs BC vs SOD (main chars) => to know what players focus on.

 

      2. Someone say that: every char support other in PT:

 

=> Some rangers refuse PT melee becaue of affecting their EXP. From CT3, DIQ, SL and now SS.

 

      3. Someone say that: you change to MS to play to have "OP".

 

=> Everybody want to play their favorite char.

 

I already wrote a topic about invesment of Auto Ms. With a prs you can do the small rest.

 

 

[nameless10 208]

7 minutes ago, iokamazy said:

So, it is exactly what u want: make ranger classes with pure builds, specialy the ones who uses BOWS (Archers and Mechs) to have the same damage as Melee classes =D

Really u don't see anything wrong on this?

 

wer not saying that rangers should be equal to melee damage.

 

cant you get the point? 

 

we just want to have some adjustment to reduce the automs damage that is obviously very OP.

 

common man your better than this ?

[iokamazy 31]

10 minutes ago, ChainLancer said:

I already wrote a topic about invesment of Auto Ms. With a prs you can do the small rest.

I read your topic, and it is completely absurd. U dont have in mind that with this items, an AutoMS cant do what FS can do on game. To have this comparison, u have to add Power Items to MS. Than, we can compare both chars, with their full potencial on game.

4 minutes ago, nameless10 said:

cant you get the point? 

 

we just want to have some adjustment to reduce the automs damage that is obviously very OP.

no... i can't get it. 

An Archer have less damage than an ATA. But Archers uses BOWS (a 2-handed weapon, which is supposed to have... more damage, right?), and Archers CAN'T TANK THEIR OWN MOBS, cause they need to sacrifice it to have damage.

What u guys are suggesting, is that its fair to have ranger chars (AS and MS), using BOWS (2-hand weapons), that can't tank their mobs, giving less damage than an ATA, and the same damage as Melee classes.

I really can't get it.....

Edited May 12, 2020 by iokamazy

[Ilton. 14]

There is no point in this discussion, the lack of mentality or lack of it, maskes them prefer to 'nerf' a class rather than buffing another that would be equally/comparatively equall, in this case, Archer should have the same damage ( maybe just a little less) damage that the automs, unfortunately u are not prepared for this discussion, probably never will be. 

So stop making the staff miserable with absurd proposals. It´s over !

[Palhacitos 481]

36 minutes ago, iokamazy said:

So, it is exactly what u want: make ranger classes with pure builds, specialy the ones who uses BOWS (Archers and Mechs) to have the same damage as Melee classes =D

Really u don't see anything wrong on this?

 

I think you need to read again what I wrote. Currently, AS and ATA are stronger than the melee classes and this is obvious.

MS is extremely stronger than everyone. 

12 minutes ago, Ilton. said:

There is no point in this discussion, the lack of mentality or lack of it, maskes them prefer to 'nerf' a class rather than buffing another that would be equally/comparatively equall, in this case, Archer should have the same damage ( maybe just a little less) damage that the automs, unfortunately u are not prepared for this discussion, probably never will be. 

So stop making the staff miserable with absurd proposals. It´s over !

Make AS equal to MS. We would only have two OPs in SS.

[iokamazy 31]

2 minutes ago, Palhacitos said:

Make AS equal to MS. We would only have two OPs in SS

I think it's fair, right? Rangers with 2-hand weapons, that can't tank mobs in order to give their high damage...

AS today gives less damage than an ATA, even with a pure build. I dont see any logical on this. 
Literally, what u guys want, is to decrease the MS damage lower than ATA too, and not get a fair ajust inside the game.

If im wrong, please, tell me: what is the logical of a 2-handed weapon ranger char that can tank mobs giving less damage then a 1-handed weapon ranger char that can easily tank mobs with its shield?

[ChainLancer 101]

31 minutes ago, Ilton. said:

There is no point in this discussion, the lack of mentality or lack of it, maskes them prefer to 'nerf' a class rather than buffing another that would be equally/comparatively equall, in this case, Archer should have the same damage ( maybe just a little less) damage that the automs, unfortunately u are not prepared for this discussion, probably never will be. 

So stop making the staff miserable with absurd proposals. It´s over !

i do not know what you are writing. What is your point is? Let Ms continue with ''OP"?

I proved that invest in MS auto is cheaper but damage is double

And important thing: How long and how many players stay in SS map vs BC vs SOD (main chars) => to know what players focus on.

47 minutes ago, iokamazy said:

I read your topic, and it is completely absurd. U dont have in mind that with this items, an AutoMS cant do what FS can do on game. To have this comparison, u have to add Power Items to MS. Than, we can compare both chars, with their full potencial on game.

no... i can't get it. 

An Archer have less damage than an ATA. But Archers uses BOWS (a 2-handed weapon, which is supposed to have... more damage, right?), and Archers CAN'T TANK THEIR OWN MOBS, cause they need to sacrifice it to have damage.

What u guys are suggesting, is that its fair to have ranger chars (AS and MS), using BOWS (2-hand weapons), that can't tank their mobs, giving less damage than an ATA, and the same damage as Melee classes.

I really can't get it.....

 

Did you already read all content. I already added number 1, 2... on this.

 

About investment is for SS. Not for BC or something.

 

And why i mention SS: top map, top exp, highest exp.

 

How long and how many players stay in SS map vs BC vs SOD (main chars) => to know what players focus on.

 

Please read carefully.

 

10 minutes ago, iokamazy said:

I think it's fair, right? Rangers with 2-hand weapons, that can't tank mobs in order to give their high damage...

AS today gives less damage than an ATA, even with a pure build. I dont see any logical on this. 
Literally, what u guys want, is to decrease the MS damage lower than ATA too, and not get a fair ajust inside the game.

If im wrong, please, tell me: what is the logical of a 2-handed weapon ranger char that can tank mobs giving less damage then a 1-handed weapon ranger char that can easily tank mobs with its shield?

 

We never said that MS's PVE damage need = melee.

We never ask for Nerf of AS or ATA's PVE damage.

 

The solution is based on Testing. And we wait for GM's decision.

Gm made server become MS server and now some gamers forgot your 1st or 2nd char in the Original Prison Tale.

Although, they accept that MS is "OP" but they are difficult to decide to revise something.

But ok, it's the game, especially private server, they need follow the way they choose.

 

In short, I think no need to argue about MS is OP or not because it's very clear.  

[Ilton. 14]

11 minutes ago, ChainLancer said:

i do not know what you are writing. What is your point is? Let Ms continue with ''OP"?

I proved that invest in MS auto is cheaper but damage is double

And important thing: How long and how many players stay in SS map vs BC vs SOD (main chars) => to know what players focus on.

Is cheaper?????????? wtf !! what game u play??? AUTOMS is the most expensive, try up automs solo!! without a prs tanker... and how mutch was to prs tanker bro? wtf!

[-Enigma- 190]

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now the arguments are: "look, it's too expensive for an MECH, with POWER/AUTO/Tanker items ... so it makes sense to kill more".

 

Mech = Meele class. its main function is to be a tank, as in many MMORPG games, it has a tanker of origin.

their primary weapons: Claw and Hammer. (all this you find in the wartale description).

 

He is the only main tanker class in the game, and the best 1V1 killer in PvE. only here at Wartale does that exist!!

 

Archer, Ranger of origin, and his primary weapon is the bow....but she kills less than Mech in PvE 1V1.

Atalanta is a ranger class of origin, and kills less than mech too in PvE 1V1!

 

Just as you said that the Mech "spends more money", the same goes for archers and atalantas that go to Bc / SW ... Many As/Ata high lvl prefer to use armor and shield 140 dnt +24 for BC / SW .... and need also a cuepy / summer for PvE in the pure build...

 

 

 

the truth is that you got used to it very badly .... and this is the fault of the wartale staff, for taking so long to correct these things ... like the abuse of MH/hunt boss solo (god mode), etc...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[nameless10 208]

21 minutes ago, -Enigma- said:

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now the arguments are: "look, it's too expensive for an MECH, with POWER/AUTO/Tanker items ... so it makes sense to kill more".

 

Mech = Meele class. its main function is to be a tank, as in many MMORPG games, it has a tanker of origin.

their primary weapons: Claw and Hammer. (all this you find in the wartale description).

 

He is the only main tanker class in the game, and the best 1V1 killer in PvE. only here at Wartale does that exist!!

 

Archer, Ranger of origin, and his primary weapon is the bow....but she kills less than Mech in PvE 1V1.

Atalanta is a ranger class of origin, and kills less than mech too in PvE 1V1!

 

Just as you said that the Mech "spends more money", the same goes for archers and atalantas that go to Bc / SW ... Many As/Ata high lvl prefer to use armor and shield 140 dnt +24 for BC / SW .... and need also a cuepy / summer for PvE in the pure build...

 

 

 

the truth is that you got used to it very badly .... and this is the fault of the wartale staff, for taking so long to correct these things ... like the abuse of MH/hunt boss solo (god mode), etc...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

in addition, with 6 automs in a party can make 1tri per hr or more. If this continues, "level" will worth lower and lower since xp is very fast with this ms auto OP with comparison to a full pt of melee class which can get around 600B per hour. I really hope this guys can get the point of pointing out this OP auto MS. ?

[diemurd 484]

Most players in the game are really sick of you all. I'm really surprised that gm really listen to these kind of trash topics.

 

AutoMS is supposed to be good, cuz otherwise no one wants to be ms. Ms is not that good in pvp compared to ks, ss as and ps, Ms is not that good in farming such as mg and ss, Ms is the worst char for sod. Ms cant hunt boss now because of this compelte idiot decision that GM made of making boss dmg area so big. MS can do only 1 thing and only 1 thing only. exp in ss, thats it! And now people are claiming it needs to nerf. OK @Wartale go nerf automs, you pratically kill this class and ms has no more use at all for nothing.

[suesue 235]

MS cant hunt boss?. Really? =))

 

[-Enigma- 190]

7 minutes ago, suesue said:

MS cant hunt boss?. Really? =))

 

no..now they need to put health points and use hp potion .... how can they do that? where have you seen having to use hp potion on boss? how absurd!!

Edited May 12, 2020 by -Enigma-

[nameless10 208]

13 minutes ago, diemurd said:

Most players in the game are really sick of you all. I'm really surprised that gm really listen to these kind of trash topics.

 

AutoMS is supposed to be good, cuz otherwise no one wants to be ms. Ms is not that good in pvp compared to ks, ss as and ps, Ms is not that good in farming such as mg and ss, Ms is the worst char for sod. Ms cant hunt boss now because of this compelte idiot decision that GM made of making boss dmg area so big. MS can do only 1 thing and only 1 thing only. exp in ss, thats it! And now people are claiming it needs to nerf. OK @Wartale go nerf automs, you pratically kill this class and ms has no more use at all for nothing.

lol Ms worst in SOD ? 

 

i dont think so.

 

go try ATA class and decide who is the worst SOD class.

 

About the nerf, wer just suggesting a little bit of reduction of its damage coz its really OP. 

 

i don't know if your just neglecting the fact the AutoMs is OP lol

[diemurd 484]

Just now, nameless10 said:

lol Ms worst in SOD ? 

 

i dont think so.

 

go try ATA class and decide who is the worst SOD class.

 

About the nerf, wer just suggesting a little bit of reduction of its damage coz its really OP. 

 

i don't know if your just neglecting the fact the AutoMs is OP lol

Since when does GM makes small corrections in their updates?

 

Looks like you dont even play this game, u guys cried for stupid reasons, now class will be dead.