Just an answer (MS)

[BigFoot 375]

guys, there is a reason why 6 highest level is MS, because auto MS is OP in SS map for exp. It has highest dmg, less control and so confortable for exp. We all know that, many players just want a little balance in dmg.

personaly, i want to bring back undead pet power for KS, to be high dmg like auto MS. But it's really is in my dream.

many class were nerfed in some way, now it's your turn MS, don't turn WarTale to MechTale

Edited May 12, 2020 by BigFoot

[Lyseria 1,843]

1 hour ago, YourAngel said:

PH SPEED make your AS move faster and this effect help you as shoot faster.

@Support would you mind to confirm? I didn't noticed any difference.

[Palhacitos 482]

1 hour ago, YourAngel said:

PH SPEED make your AS move faster and this effect help you as shoot faster. You can check it if you want.

Haha. 

To defend AutoMS the guys are creating effects for other classes. ???

[YourAngel 14]

7 minutes ago, Palhacitos said:

Haha. 

To defend AutoMS the guys are creating effects for other classes. ???

Have you ever checked this before?

I have AS and AUTO MS but i pay almost time in game for AS BRO.

I also have a TANKER MS.

[Palhacitos 482]

1 minute ago, YourAngel said:

Have you ever checked this before?

I'll leave this to @Wartale.

Does an AS without a boots attack slower than an AS with a boots with Mix endurance?

 

As far as I know Walk Speed is not related to Atk speed.

[fernando 104]

6 hours ago, Palhacitos said:

I believe that Adm, Gms and the community have already seen that some support and others do not.

 

You don't have to shoot all over the place. 

And stop saying that you don't care about the nerf. 

We know you care.

 

Lol, tbh, no hahahaa I barely play game nowadays, I really just think that what you guys are asking doesnt make all this sense ? but is just my opinion, everyone has one and it's free to post, right? ? I have an auto mech, but since I dont play that much anymore, I really dont care sooo much about all this, but its healthy to discuss with others? (when people know how)

 

6 hours ago, Lyseria said:

Just desperate mode on, talk a lot of garbage to change the main focus.

 

Although some points could be discussed xD

 

Desperate for what? lol as I answered Palhacitos, I barely play this game, but I'm just doing what you guys are doing: suggesting nerf skills that are too OP. If you tell me that most of the things that I listed arent OP, you must be joking around. And point me out which part that I posted is garbage? You say it's garbage and then say that some points could be discussed, what a joke.

 

6 hours ago, Jody222 said:

What a list.... are you kidding me ?

 

If we want nerf for all OP things in game, I guess this is the start from this list lol

 

4 hours ago, cux said:

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You are shooting to every class in Wartale in order to defend the automech.

Good point.

[ * irony * ]

 

Isnt that what players from this game do? they only know how to complain about things (but we have players that gives good suggestions though). 

 

Just to know: did it hurt in you all these points that I mentioned because it affects directly your characters? If yes, now you know what auto mech players are feeling, if not, convince me that what I said is wrong.

5 hours ago, nameless10 said:

bro speaking of worst class in SOD.. it shud be ata.. even u bring a tanker in SOD, i dont think it can score passes 14kk score.. 

 

MS can score 15kk 

FS can score 15kk

As can score 15kk

ATA?? = 8kk 9kk ??

 

lol.. the bottomline ms is auto is OP.. ? thats the reality haha

I guess that this atalanta that is on sod ranking didnt reach that far ?

Edited May 12, 2020 by fernando

[nameless10 208]

38 minutes ago, fernando said:

 

Lol, tbh, no hahahaa I barely play game nowadays, I really just think that what you guys are asking doesnt make all this sense ? but is just my opinion, everyone has one and it's free to post, right? ? I have an auto mech, but since I dont play that much anymore, I really dont care sooo much about all this, but its healthy to discuss with others? (when people know how)

 

 

Desperate for what? lol as I answered Palhacitos, I barely play this game, but I'm just doing what you guys are doing: suggesting nerf skills that are too OP. If you tell me that most of the things that I listed arent OP, you must be joking around. And point me out which part that I posted is garbage? You say it's garbage and then say that some points could be discussed, what a joke.

 

 

If we want nerf for all OP things in game, I guess this is the start from this list lol

 

 

Isnt that what players from this game do? they only know how to complain about things (but we have players that gives good suggestions though). 

 

Just to know: did it hurt in you all these points that I mentioned because it affects directly your characters? If yes, now you know what auto mech players are feeling, if not, convince me that what I said is wrong.

I guess that this atalanta that is on sod ranking didnt reach that far ?

ive tried ata with 15x with 142 jav with mech for comp SOD.. cant even hit 11kk ?

[Palhacitos 482]

33 minutes ago, fernando said:

Lol, tbh, no hahahaa I barely play game nowadays, I really just think that what you guys are asking doesnt make all this sense ? but is just my opinion, everyone has one and it's free to post, right? ? I have an auto mech, but since I dont play that much anymore, I really dont care sooo much about all this, but its healthy to discuss with others? (when people know how)

I respect your opinion and those of other players.
I agree with some points and disagree with others.

 

sorry if i was rude to you,

i was just defending my my opinion. ?

[fernando 104]

13 minutes ago, nameless10 said:

ive tried ata with 15x with 142 jav with mech for comp SOD.. cant even hit 11kk ?

 

O.o didnt know ata was really that bad. I knew players asked for a boost in x-rage, but didnt know that it was that bad lol

 

9 minutes ago, Palhacitos said:

I respect your opinion and those of other players.
I agree with some points and disagree with others.

 

sorry if i was rude to you,

i was just defending my my opinion. ?

 

No problems bro ?

[Merenda 788]

12 hours ago, iokamazy said:

I think we all know that auto MS is the best killer on Hunt maps today.

We all know either that everyone can change your class, or trade your char to an MS, and it probably will be cheaper than equip classes like KS, FS or ATA.

But why people dont do it? If autoMS is "so OP" and "so unbalanced"? They dont do it because auto MS is completely nerfed in all other aspects on the game. Lets see how?

AutoMS cant do EXP on EXP Maps like AD or Iron Core.

AutoMS cant make gold on SOD/Bellatra

AutoMS cant kill any good boss since the hit range was amplified 

AutoMS cant play SW and stay 5 seconds on feet

AutoMS cant hunt sheltons on CT3 

AutoMS cant even tank his own mobs on Hunt Maps (you need a PRS, MG, or another tanker MS to do it for you)

"But iokamazy, AutoMS is not a class, the class is MS, and MS can do it all!!!"

 

Yes, a MS can do it all, but you need to have all the items to do it all. You have to change your entire build to use a SparkMS, a PowerMS or a TankerMS. 

Have a full MS is the most expensive thing in the whole game. Compare the costs to have an AutoMS with other classes, is completely ridiculous, cause an AutoMS CAN'T DO WHAT OTHER CLASSES DO! AND THAT'S WHY PPL DON'T CHANGE THEIR CLASSES INTO AUTOMS

The purpose of the Mechanician class is to have ALL KINDS OF BUILDS. The purpose of the class is to be good with ANY WEAPON. 

AutoMS sacrifice everything he can do on game to have a nice KILL on Hunt maps (SS/SL/AW). 

"But iokamazy, AutoMS is supposed to be good on everything, but not THE BEST IN EVERYTHING!"

 

Yes, you guys are right. AutoMS is not supposed to be the most powerful killer with bows. Who should do it? Archers, of course. But Archers have the same damage on hunt maps than melee classes. So what we need to do? Buff Archers, or nerf AutoMS, so all rangers will have the same damage as melee classes? Hmmm... Is the discussion going into the right way? I dont think so...

 

 

 

 

 

It's a waste of time. Even with AutoMS nerfed, who knows how to do Exp, will continue doing Exp.

 

And who never knew, will do an even smaller Exp.

 

Only those who ask for the AutoMS nerf will be harmed if the nerf actually happens.

 

There is no point in explaining the obvious, if they refuse to see the obvious.

 

See ya o/

 

 

[nameless10 208]

1 minute ago, fernando said:

 

O.o didnt know ata was really that bad. I knew players asked for a boost in x-rage, but didnt know that it was that bad lol

 

 

No problems bro ?

i dont know but thats the result even finished round 8. Maybe other pro ata can do it more higher but i doubt can hit 13kk to 15kk ?

[Smilo 109]

4 minutes ago, Merenda said:

It's a waste of time. Even with AutoMS nerfed, who knows how to do Exp, will continue doing Exp.

 

And who never knew, will do an even smaller Exp.

 

Only those who ask for the AutoMS nerf will be harmed if the nerf actually happens.

 

There is no point in explaining the obvious, if they refuse to see the obvious.

 

See ya o/

 

 

with auto ms nerfed or other classes bossted people will do more party play.. thats what a mmorpg is for... since SS with auto ms and own tanker everybody soloing (or just party for xp) most classes are not even wanted in partys, doesnt matter if its DIQ, SS, xping somewhere else...

[Lyseria 1,843]

1 hour ago, fernando said:

You say it's garbage and then say that some points could be discussed, what a joke.

That's the beauty of ideas, garbages can turn into very good ideas xD

 

1 hour ago, fernando said:

If you tell me that most of the things that I listed arent OP

This is a matter to another topic, if you suggest something related I would love to answer you.

[iokamazy 32]

The whole point is that you guys don't want a balanced game. U guys can't see (or u just don't want to) that all classes have their peculiarities, and to have a fair game, we have to have an UNBALANCED damage on different classes.

Let me explain.

When we talk specifically about damage 1v1 on PVE, what is the fair "ranking" of damage? I think it is:
 

1. AS - a 2-handed ranger, with no tank potencial, specialized on BOWS

2. AutoMS - a 2-handed ranger, with no tank potencial, non-specialized on BOWS

3. ATA - a 1-handed ranger, with reasonable tank potencial, specialized in spears

4. FS - a 2-handed melee, with no defense skills, specialized on hand-to-hand combat 

5. PS and ASS - 2-handed melees, with some evade skills, supposed to be assassins with poison and high critical attacks

6. KS - 2-handed melee, with nice defense and ABS skills, the best hybrid class

7. PowerMS - 2-handed melee, with nice defense and ABS skills, but non-specialized on that

8. MG and SS - magic classes, with high AoE damage, but not that good on 1v1 combat

9. PRS - another magic class, supposed to be an support class, with heal buffs and strong skills against undead

10. TankerMS/Tanker PRS - the best tanker classes, they can be near immortal ones with the right build and items, but with close to zero damage

 

 

Note: I add 3 builds of MS, since this class is, by definiton, a class who can use all kinds of weapons (except magic ones), but he can only be the best beeing a tanker.

 

 

So, what u guys as asking for? Have all classes to be equal on PVE 1v1? The game is bigger than this. The game does not resume in PVE 1v1 hunt maps. We CAN'T GET ALL DAMAGES EQUAL!!!

 

Simply its not fair a KS have the same damage as an AutoMS or an AS. The classes are different. The classes have different skills, different premises and different weapons.

[Hawaii2 624]

So whats the conclusion on every repeating post?

 

 

[thisisrauldo 816]

13 hours ago, Lyseria said:

I'm not supposed to teach you how to play.

I've read everything, and makes no sense.

 

Sassy

[Palhacitos 482]

11 minutes ago, iokamazy said:

1. AS - a 2-handed ranger, with no tank potencial, specialized on BOWS

2. AutoMS - a 2-handed ranger, with no tank potencial, non-specialized on BOWS

 

So, what u guys as asking for? Have all classes to be equal on PVE 1v1?

No, just that the damage of the MS is close to that of the AS.
because today the MS does a lot more damage than the AS in SS.

 

you say that the MS is not specialized in Bow but does more damage than the specialized class. ?

Edited May 12, 2020 by Palhacitos

[iokamazy 32]

7 minutes ago, Palhacitos said:

because today the MS does a lot more damage than the AS in SS.

 

you say that the MS is not specialized in Bow but does more damage than the specialized class.

If u read the main topic of the post, u will see that what i suggest is the AS damage need a buff. Not MS need a nerf. 

I never said that the AS have more damage than MS, i said that this is, for me, the ideal scenario.

@Palhacitos This is an idealized ranking of damage (by myself, of course). Not a real "ranking" that exists today.

21 minutes ago, iokamazy said:

1. AS - a 2-handed ranger, with no tank potencial, specialized on BOWS

2. AutoMS - a 2-handed ranger, with no tank potencial, non-specialized on BOWS

3. ATA - a 1-handed ranger, with reasonable tank potencial, specialized in spears

4. FS - a 2-handed melee, with no defense skills, specialized on hand-to-hand combat 

5. PS and ASS - 2-handed melees, with some evade skills, supposed to be assassins with poison and high critical attacks

6. KS - 2-handed melee, with nice defense and ABS skills, the best hybrid class

7. PowerMS - 2-handed melee, with nice defense and ABS skills, but non-specialized on that

8. MG and SS - magic classes, with high AoE damage, but not that good on 1v1 combat

9. PRS - another magic class, supposed to be an support class, with heal buffs and strong skills against undead

10. TankerMS/Tanker PRS - the best tanker classes, they can be near immortal ones with the right build and items, but with close to zero damage

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by iokamazy

[-Enigma- 190]

 

When your primary weapons are claws and hammers, it makes your main feature a meele! if he has skills to use jav / bow, that doesn't mean he is a ORIGIN RANGER.

 

 

 

 

people think they just need to improve the attack of the archer and the atalanta that will be "balanced" ... just so as not to change the auto mech, what a shame.

 

PH add speed? kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk 

 

I think everyone who thinks that auto MS is 'normal' and the other classes that are not, should play with knight, Fs, Ps, Ass, prs, mg ...

is it the only 'correct' class and the other 9 that are wrong then? don't be blind!!

 

we are not talking about killing the mech and removing the ranger mode !! we are talking to decrease the attack a little (only with ranger mode)! so you can continue playing afk behind the tanker, in your 'comfortable' mode, just like today.

 

 

[iokamazy 32]

51 minutes ago, -Enigma- said:

I think everyone who thinks that auto MS is 'normal' and the other classes that are not, should play with knight, Fs, Ps, Ass, prs, mg ...

MS is the only class that was built to use all weapons (except magic ones). Its the char description. The skills prove it either. 
Your point is completely absurd. Of course a Knight can't use a BOW, and of course an Archer cant use a HAMMER. But a MS can use it all, cause he can use every weapon (u can't disagree with this, cause this is literally the DEFINITION of the mechanician class). 

But i agree MS can't be THE BEST using BOWS. 
I agree MS can't be the best using javs, swords, axes and scythes. 

MS just can be the best using hammers and claws, cause this is his specialty. 

 

BUT...

 

As long as an MS can use a ranger build too, this doesn't mean he need to do a melee damage. He can be a ranger too. He can make more damage beeing a ranger (of course not more than an archer). 

What the hell is the logic of beeing a ranger, can't tank mobs, and still do the same damage of a melee? 

[-[Grin][Department]- 115]

Staff already said they have something on their pockets so let’s all hope it’s what we expect ❤️

[iokamazy 32]

 

1 hour ago, -Enigma- said:

When your primary weapons are claws and hammers, it makes your main feature a meele! if he has skills to use jav / bow, that doesn't mean he is a ORIGIN RANGER.

This is why Mech have rangers skills either. 

[Palhacitos 482]

28 minutes ago, iokamazy said:

i agree MS can't be THE BEST using BOWS

I agree MS can't be the best using javs, swords, axes and scythes. 

MS just can be the best using hammers and claws, cause this is his specialty. 

 

I knew that eventually we would agree on something.

Edited May 12, 2020 by Palhacitos

[iokamazy 32]

1 minute ago, Palhacitos said:

I knew that eventually we would agree on something.

We just don't agree that the actual damage of the AS is ridiculous (she have almost the same damage as a melee class), and u guys are suggesting to put the damage of AutoMS even below. So... yeah, u want to see an AutoMS hitting the same as a melee.

[-Enigma- 190]

24 minutes ago, iokamazy said:

MS is the only class that was built to use all weapons (except magic ones). Its the char description. The skills prove it either. 
Your point is completely absurd. Of course a Knight can't use a BOW, and of course an Archer cant use a HAMMER. But a MS can use it all, cause he can use every weapon (u can't disagree with this, cause this is literally the DEFINITION of the mechanician class). 

But i agree MS can't be THE BEST using BOWS. 
I agree MS can't be the best using javs, swords, axes and scythes. 

MS just can be the best using hammers and claws, cause this is his specialty. 

 

BUT...

 

As long as an MS can use a ranger build too, this doesn't mean he need to do a melee damage. He can be a ranger too. He can make more damage beeing a ranger (of course not more than an archer). 

What the hell is the logic of beeing a ranger, can't tank mobs, and still do the same damage of a melee? 

if his main weapons are Claw and Hammer, his main characteristic is a meele, however, with skills to use jav / bow, it does not make him a ranger of origin. I thought you saw it the first time, so I circled it so you could see:

 

PS: that is why the main weapons of the classes are defined.

 

 

"... He can be a ranger and have damage equal to that of a ranger ..." 

BUT....he does more damage than Archer and atalanta .... you just have to see the topic that our friend Clem did, and look at the numbers (that don't lie).

 

 

 

it's hard to try to convince all of you that auto MS is way ahead of all classes ... even with a topic showing the numbers, you still don't want to see it!

 

but I don't blame you .... but once again I repeat: This is the fault of Staff wartale for leaving things that way for a long time and people getting used to it and feeling normal!

 

And I believe that they have already read everything here! see you on the other topic (because there are real numbers and tests).

 

 

Hugs!