MS & VB

[punkrocke 0]

I was timing this two skills in a 30 seconds period and i came out with this exact numbers

 

Weapon spd 8

 

VB= 20 total

MS= 30 total

 

MS 1/sec

VB 1/1.5sec

 

 

[aydinerkan 1]

total dmg?

[Rkokie 6]

 

Looking at the websites stats:

 

lvl 100 priestess with wand lets say 30-40 and 300 spirit:

 

 

Spark

level 10 =  14 (+min Wand AP*2) - 34 (+max Wand AP*2) 4-7 hits

so  14 + 60 - 34 +80 =  74 - 114 * 4 = 296-456 and *7 =  518 -798

 

so total hit is (296 - 456 ) - (518 - 798)

 

so a 7 hit would be 518 - 798 attack power

 

lets take an average of around 350 - 550?

 

 

Ball

level 10 = 66 (+Spirit x 2 +Min Wand Dmg x 2 ) - 91 (+Spirit x 2 +Max Wand Dmg x 2 ) and hits twice?

 

so  66 (600 + 60) - 91 (600 + 80) =  726 - 771 * 2 = 1452 - 1542

 

comparison

 

spark -- : 350 - 550    1/1sec

vigor ball: 1452 - 1542 1/1.5sec

 

over 9 seconds the total damage would be:

 

spark --  = 9 hits: 3150 - 4950

vigor ball = 6 hits: 8712 - 9252

 

 

Clear what to choose?

 

most was counted out of the head so dun hate me for small mistakes D:

 

[Lov3r 0]

VB - No doubts about it.  <3

[Divineforce 0]

In most other pt games MS wins, but because realm calculates VB damage with spirit*2, it gives it a clear advantage lol.

[bellum1234 0]

and forces work on VB and force effect x 2 for VB, right?

[tutankhamunnag 0]

Vigor Ball, yo yo yo ...

[KeKNoRRiS 0]

I did some calculations today (not taking forces into account) and came up with the follow results (formulas were transferred to excel and dmg was calculated per minute, using 60 hits/min for HB and MS and 40 hits/min for VB):

 

final damage undead

min max WP HB MS VB HB

 

64 70 321 18780 47550 49180 37560

48 53 321 14820 36660 46540 29640

95 106 321 26820 69660 54540 53640

95 106 500 26820 69660 65280 53640

95 106 600 26820 69660 71280 53640

 

So wouldn't it be better to use MS when you have a high level staff? Will the higher attack speed of MS give a better change to get loot/the kill in a boss fight?

How do forces work on MS? Final damage, for each spark or for none at all?

 

 

Discuss!

 

[KITTYAN2 0]

Ball

level 10 = 66 (+Spirit x 2 +Min Wand Dmg x 2 ) - 91 (+Spirit x 2 +Max Wand Dmg x 2 ) and hits twice?

Lol, where did you take this formula?

Didn't you notice that VB has been improved?

 

The ACTUAL formula of VB at lvl 10 is THIS ----> 230(+Wp/2 +Min Wand Dmg x 2) - 250(+Wp +Max Wand Dmg x 2)

 

Of course VB is better than MS .

[KeKNoRRiS 0]

Ball

level 10 = 66 (+Spirit x 2 +Min Wand Dmg x 2 ) - 91 (+Spirit x 2 +Max Wand Dmg x 2 ) and hits twice?

Lol, where did you take this formula?

Didn't you notice that VB has been improved?

 

The ACTUAL formula of VB at lvl 10 is THIS ----> 230(+Wp/2 +Min Wand Dmg x 2) - 250(+Wp +Max Wand Dmg x 2)

 

Of course VB is better than MS .

 

This is an old topic, it might have been that before.

 

You say "of course VB is better", did you even check my calculations? MS might be better when using high level staffs, as weapon damage counts way more for MS than for VB. I believe there is a tradeoff point where, when using high level staffs and having certain amounts of WP, MS is better than VB. Add to that that you can pot faster, it might actually be better for high level hunting. 

[Setsuna 0]

the formula of VB is wrong. its still 2*WP for min and max dmg afaik. at least the ingame values haven't changed for me.

[Zero 0]

The formula has not changed and I don't know why that mistake is still there. The correct formula is 230(Spirit*2+Min Wand*2) - 250(Spirit*2+Max Wand*2) for level 10.

 

The skill also hits twice at this power, so even if you only get 20 VB casts in 30 seconds compared to 30 MS's, it's more like you casted 40 hits of the above formula.

 

Forces also add spirit damage, and since MS has no spirit in it's formula, it does not get this bonus.

 

Considering it's formula is also vastly higher to begin with [before even forcing], these two skills are not even in the same realm of DPS. Don't believe me? Try soloing a boss like iron2 babel with MS. At the level I first tried when I joined MS didn't even out damage its regen. Redid it with 10 VB [before it even got its static damage boost], and it was easy. No calculation necessary.

 

 

[KeKNoRRiS 0]

That's exactly my point, at that time you weren't using a level 120 staff.. The force point is a good one though, if it doesn't add to the MS dmg, VB is basically even or better at any gear point.

[Crius 0]

If [WeaponMin] + [WeaponMax] > 46.64 + 0.64 * [spirit], then L9 MS will do more damage than L9 VB. Approximately anyway, I'm assuming MS is 1.5 times faster to cast than VB. Considering the spirit requirement to use the weapons, I don't think that's even possible. It is possible if you compare against L1 VB, but that's assuming a priestess would settle for a spirit very close to the minimum to wield the weapon. In other words, there are very few scenarios where MS even theoretically could be better than VB in terms of damage, and I don't think any of them are going to be practical or even make much of a difference if they were.

 

Edit: The above is all about average, which is generally what matters except in PvP. MS has a much wider damage range than VB, which barely has any damage range at all.

[RobertTerlouw 0]

Vigor Ball

[taxero 1]

Vigor Ball

 

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