What are the next "experiments" for Siege War?

[BigFoot 375]

57 minutes ago, SmokingSnake said:

I disagree. Since Lightning Sword is a continuos skill, KS should be vulnerable while using it, this helps the skill not lasting forever. And KS is pretty tanky, it can withstand over 5s of skill easily.

i think the same slow down as MG distortion would be nice.

Let’s keep the way it does now ? your idea only want to kill ks. Honestly the way it stun now is pretty harmless, ks can’t kill with LS, everyone got stunned can’t kill ks. It’s only a short pause in combat.

[ivan0012 326]

just apply a buff that when stunned takes 10-15 seconds to receive another stum.

[gabrieljf17 7]

1 hour ago, kamuynoturno said:

 

Put it in difficult because it is very easy to beat u,  WEAK

Changes Are made and failed, Do u know What Never Changes? SN AWAYS FIRST

 

 

 

 

Then why do you cry?

 

 

[- D E A T H S T R O K E - 1,760]

Remove AoE damage, but keeping AoE stuns is a mistake, mainly because the best class and the second best class for 1x1 [Ks and Fs] also have the best skill for Crowd control.

All AoE stuns should be removed if it's going to keep it like that.

 

59 minutes ago, Molaxx said:

But now,WS dont have any power magic,only MS / KS/ ASS/ FS.  So,if  go back AOE damage to 100% if always happens,they NEVER WIN. Because this ,they can cry to this change come be permanently.

so the "conspiracy theory" that  Ws/Lb whine for nerfs based on SN classes isn't a theory at all, interesting.

''fair balance', I suppose, with no mages and shamans on the top 17 pvp.

	1	Army-Strong			168	1839	156	21	7.43	16
	2	Kryon			160	1714	253	97	2.61	1
	3	One♂Punch♂K.O			155	1516	126	26	4.85	11
	4	Dissent™			158	1381	111	30	3.70	1
	5	Mizuhara			155	1006	43	12	3.58	-1
	6	Liev			161	990	76	20	3.80	-1
	7	-RedIridium-			161	981	84	22	3.82	14
	8	Grim			162	958	75	28	2.68	-1
	9	ZkObrabO			158	933	106	24	4.42	-1
	10	MeisPapi			160	927	67	5	13.40	1
	11	-hakai.			162	919	73	24	3.04	-5
	12	Stacyy			157	917	104	32	3.25	9
	13	MVBILL			157	822	147	68	2.16	2
	14	-Jersey-			162	815	99	37	2.68	-5
	15	OkicurainomatA			155	784	127	49	2.59	8
	16	_n00b_			169	705	66	11	6.00	3
	17	TungKuang			156	592	67	22	3.05	14

[Coyy 78]

I found the test good, congratz staff. 
the next should increase by 40-50% hp of the towers,
decrease stun, distortion ..
could have a test also in being able to enter SW only 1 char per ip for decreasing the lag.

[1533 147]

I really liked the  new Sw system , maybe should remove  stun (we need remember,  stun is a aoe skil and we want remove all aoe skil from sw, but we will to talk about ice/venum?) 

 

•Add max 30% hp each  tower/vahala   

 

•Next week try make Sw only for 1 account for IP  ( I know players will use VM,  but maybe they don't will use 4 VM)  

 

thanks for the new Sw system Staf .... And @Molaxx what drugs do you use bro? I want never be near it ... you always cry about WS because they kick your ass from clan ? ? all your topics/post is about WS nerf X,Y,Z .  

I didn't know WS was a GM Clan for they nerf/balance any class... 

[diegozika 236]

I respect each one's opinion, its good that each one put his point of view. But now, speaking in a serious way, I will never be able to understand a Siege "War" without AoE. This is ridiculously absurd! (I know it was an experimental thing)

How can it be a siege "war" if there will be no war, because everyone will be concentrated only in the towers? I'm sorry, but a "War" that has no deaths all the time during the SW is not a War.

[DarkLink64 921]

This thread should be renamed to:

Official SoNois whinning thread.

[diegozika 236]

Relax, bro

[diemurd 484]

Sw turned out to be who take more players and higher lvl win sw. This is what you are making @Senpai. Without war there is no strategies, there is no planning, there is no magic. Only a bunch of people hitting tower and that is no fun at all. Fun is using the brain the come out on top.

[RelampagUs 4]

58 minutes ago, Coyy said:

I found the test good, congratz staff. 
the next should increase by 40-50% hp of the towers,
decrease stun, distortion ..
could have a test also in being able to enter SW only 1 char per ip for decreasing the lag.

 +1

 

It doesn't really make sense to have that much stum (in area) if AoE damage is extinguished.
I liked this sw without AoE, I found the dynamic interesting and consistent with what it should be, except for the short period of dispute.

[Dookie 489]

There's a lot of commotion going on here... IF SN/KoM side tells that WS/LB influenced staff by making these experimental changes, then send here a screenshot of messages from WS/LB that they do it... 

 

And if they prove true, SHAME on WS and LB side!

 

 

 

[DraxXxuS 59]

37 minutes ago, diemurd said:

Sw turned out to be who take more players and higher lvl win sw. This is what you are making @Senpai. Without war there is no strategies, there is no planning, there is no magic. Only a bunch of people hitting tower and that is no fun at all. Fun is using the brain the come out on top.

As if with the AOE damage active the clan with higher level and items also had no advantage? What is the strategy of gathering 5 people and hitting the area ... You don't even know what you're talking about ...

Without AOE damage, the best strategy will prevail, because you need to know who to cancel, and not just to be casting magic in any corner without even thinking about what you are doing!

[Dinamitze 113]

40 minutes ago, Dookie said:

Há muita comoção acontecendo aqui ... IF SN / KoM lado diz que WS / LB influenciou a equipe fazendo essas mudanças experimentais, então envie aqui uma captura de tela de mensagens de WS / LB que eles fazem ... 

 

E se eles forem verdadeiros, VERGONHA do lado dos WS e LB!

 

 

 

why else would staff make a move 1 day before SW? ?

[diegozika 236]

30 minutes ago, DraxXxuS said:

As if with the AOE damage active the clan with higher level and items also had no advantage? What is the strategy of gathering 5 people and hitting the area ... You don't even know what you're talking about ...

Without AOE damage, the best strategy will prevail, because you need to know who to cancel, and not just to be casting magic in any corner without even thinking about what you are doing!

Strategy: KS and FS using stun all the time, everyone using pets in the towers all the time, all players attacking only the towers, this way, nobody will be able to be attacked by enemies because of the pets that will protect them. Conclusion? The clan that gets the most members online participating in Siege War, the clan that gets the strongest members both in terms of level and in the question of items ... this will be the winning clan!

 

We saw the winning clan today!

[gabrieljf17 7]

2 hours ago, diegozika said:

Relax, bro

 

You must be a child, without any argument, attack personally.

 

- 

 

MIB support only?

They don't even remember to mention the ally. ?

No leader mentioned friends ... 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, diegozika said:

Strategy: KS and FS using stun all the time, everyone using pets in the towers all the time, all players attacking only the towers, this way, nobody will be able to be attacked by enemies because of the pets that will protect them. Conclusion? The clan that gets the most members online participating in Siege War, the clan that gets the strongest members both in terms of level and in the question of items ... this will be the winning clan!

 

We saw the winning clan today!

 

Now a valid argument, without personal attack.  It really makes sense but as it was it also sucked.

 

 

Every change that occurs KOM and SN arrive together in the forum to criticize.  That and what I see.  They do not create a common logic to help staff, they only criticize any and all changes.  And the worst thing is that all change is to benefit the "enemy" ...

 

Edited November 9, 2020 by gabrieljf17

[DraxXxuS 59]

1 hour ago, diegozika said:

Strategy: KS and FS using stun all the time, everyone using pets in the towers all the time, all players attacking only the towers, this way, nobody will be able to be attacked by enemies because of the pets that will protect them. Conclusion? The clan that gets the most members online participating in Siege War, the clan that gets the strongest members both in terms of level and in the question of items ... this will be the winning clan!

 

We saw the winning clan today!

If you don't think it's fair just suggest changes, it seems the staff is willing to listen to our feedback in order to make a game better for everyone!

If the stun is bad, what would be better? Increase the CD? Decrease efficiency or remove from the SW?

If the Pets get in the way, I believe that without the AOE they can be removed too.

It is no use just criticizing without thinking about what is best for the server, despite the rivalry that is obvious in the topics, everyone here wants the game to get better and better, at least that's what I prefer to believe.

[- D E A T H S T R O K E - 1,760]

7 minutes ago, DraxXxuS said:

remove from the SW?

remove.

7 minutes ago, DraxXxuS said:

everyone here wants the game to get better and better, at least that's what I prefer to believe.

everyone wants whats is better for himself, it's a fact, don't be naive.

[xunahyo 180]

laziness from the winning alliance from KOM/SN/MIB, not willing to adapt to new experiences, just wishing for things to stay the same forever and dont threaten your chances of win

dude this is well-said, not so much because of KOM/SN, but same in life winner hated changes who is too old to adapt, to learn and live with new change, like Trump who cannot accept defeat, forever denial, never learn and never change.

 

well-said!

 

 

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Triple SiegeWar Crown - SN (BH) and KOM were against it.
Implementation of anti bot/macro/autoclick - SN and KOM were against it.
Removal of SecretLab HS - SN and KOM were against it.
Loot loto - SN, KOM and all minor alliances to both clans were against it.
Nerfing on AutoMS in SS - SN and KOM were against.
Member switching before Siege War penalty - SN and KOM were against.
Party-only exclusive regen on Priestess Regeneration Field - SN and KOM were against.
Removal of PvP champion to counter PVP Boosting - SN and KOM were against.
Peforation halved damage from Archer (just like many other AoE skills) - SN and KOM were against.
Diastrophism halved damage from Magician (just like many other AoE skills) - SN and KOM were against.
Proper balance on Orb's Defense - SN and KOM were against.
Weekly tweaks to find good balance on PvP Ratios - SN and KOM were against

my boy I just thumbs-up your post because this list RIGHT HERE is sick.

 

we thought that Wartale never change, SW never change, winner never change, but look at this list RIGHT HERE holy crap.

 

 

But now,WS dont have any power magic,only MS / KS/ ASS/ FS.  So,if  go back AOE damage to 100% if always happens,they NEVER WIN.

dude that's why you need different class! this is rather Seige War strategy regarding having different classes in a clan? no?

 

but seriously, is there a time AoE magic classes really heavily impacted SW? 1v1 DMG is still the way to go, kill players or kill towers all the same.

 

 

 I can't understand how my KS 15X with items 140 drops, without draxos boots and full strength can tank 7 enemies and kill to 5 of them using 1-handed sword

is this really? sounds like God playing.

 

KS should at most equal to MS in tank and kill.

 

 

but keeping AoE stuns is a mistake, mainly because the best class and the second best class for 1x1 [Ks and Fs] also have the best skill for Crowd control

True. KS and FS best DMG, still have best STUN.

 

if keep AoE stun, give them to the weaker class like Ata / Prs / Ass, so KS and FS are forced to rely on other classes' Stun.

 

like give KS AoE stun to Prs Chain Lightning, or give to Assassin, anything, IDK.

 

 

I will never be able to understand a Siege "War" without AoE. This is ridiculously absurd!

All MMO have AoE in Seige War, the only one that don't have is PT, 

 

if you ask me why, I would say because the fighting distance is too small, other MMO you have AoE but it's hard to AoE because everyone is spread far apart, so even if you cast AoE skills you will hit 3~4 players max. 

or we should say this: everyone is sticking super close in PT Siege War, that's why skills like MG Stone Spike can hit 20+ players,

 

to me it's stupid magic classes cannot do AoE DMG, but it's just not possible in PT Siege War,

 

we can solve this if we reduce Stone Spike AoE in Siege War to only around MG's body, so at most that area Stone Spike can only hit 4~6 players standing and touching MG's body, it will not be instant God-like Kills 10+, only triple kills or quadruple kills max,

 

same if apply to PRS Ice Meteor, if reduce to a small ice-cream cone tip (PvP only), then it's possible.

 

in other MMO you have MORE Towers or other Targets, and also each Target is much LARGER and WIDER, and also they have real 3D including UP and DOWN because can jump and fly, that makes non-targeting AoE-skills harder to catch enemy if you trying to cast by judging the distance on the screen, but here in PT we have only LATERAL and none VERTICAL (don't tell me the inclined slope in BC archers love to climb-up is 3D ?), and also PT have FEWER and SMALLER towers, Valhalla is bigger but still too small, imaging Valhalla is 5 times bigger than now, players will spread far apart and hence AoE DMG is harder to catch all.

 

the reason why only AS perforation is kept for so long, is because the AoE is a straight-line, that makes it weak in terms of AREA, because in SW players stick in circles near towers, so if you have MG Stone Spike casting in a circle, the AoE is too big and powerful, and also no brainer-thing to do.

 

 

Sw turned out to be who take more players and higher lvl win sw. This is what you are making @Senpai. Without war there is no strategies, there is no planning, there is no magic. Only a bunch of people hitting tower and that is no fun at all. Fun is using the brain the come out on top.

True it opens up more options to play SW, BUT most people just log-on, go in, relax, have no brain, and end the SW. 

 

9 out 10 players don't use brain, don't communicate useful information, mostly trash-talking and enjoy trash-playing, except 1 in 10 who is really trying very hard to use the brain to play.

 

This is just a game, as long as players enjoy then we are fine? better make the SW last for 2 hours so people can enjoy trash-playing for 2 hours.

 

TO ME: I would rather stop Whatsapp planning, Clan-Chat planning, or WHATEVER GROUP, and just go hit and slaughter, and stop using my brain on my free time playing a game, it's so frustrating to looks at "chats" to see what I have to do or what my clanmates plan to do, BECAUSE SW I can see it on my screen, it's really annoying just like training and hunting I close my Message Box, the only time I turn-on the Message Box is when I see someone run to me and I need to check if he "talk", or else I get reported for AFK-play,

 

I would love to close all CHATS and play the game it's more fun that way, you should try it too trust me, and have a special drink on the table rather than your Whatsapp phone,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

..

ENJOY WARTALE

 

[TigerShark22 488]

4 hours ago, DraxXxuS said:

As if with the AOE damage active the clan with higher level and items also had no advantage? What is the strategy of gathering 5 people and hitting the area ... You don't even know what you're talking about ...

Without AOE damage, the best strategy will prevail, because you need to know who to cancel, and not just to be casting magic in any corner without even thinking about what you are doing!

He's right there

Want strategy? Divide to divisions, think where u put ur melees and rangers. Fun fact u can force knights to pot/die when they LS with rangers, so u can advance/ think who to put in each parties ( buffs ) , who engage first ( ofc not a smart idea for everyone to just move blindly together and get stunned by the 4 aoe stun classes ). Many more tactics, That's think for yourself. And yes numbers should matter, like in any war, there is the factor of better tech/soliders in averege, and the factor of numbers. sounds more like war than 6 people use aoe blindly to kill everyone ( but again, the afk meta must be a thing ).

 

 

 

Edited November 9, 2020 by TigerShark22

[Dookie 489]

6 hours ago, Dinamitze said:

why else would staff make a move 1 day before SW? ?

Rather than pointing fingers or accusing, Should we ask the staff about it @Wartale @Support @Senpai ?

 

 

[kamuynoturno 291]

I just came back to say Its EASY WIN 

[DarkLink64 921]

1 hour ago, Coyote said:

Yes, it was easy to win. let more "EXPERIMENTS" come. For example: remove lighting sword and godly shield from Knights permanently.

Can't wait for this change to happen. Then the server will get rid of generic Knights and I would be able to shine alone.

[z0r 68]

1 hour ago, DarkLink64 said:

Can't wait for this change to happen. Then the server will get rid of generic Knights and I would be able to shine alone.

 

LOL

Do you really believe you "shine"?

 

Who told you that? your mom?

[DarkLink64 921]

28 minutes ago, z0r said:

 

LOL

Do you really believe you "shine"?

 

Who told you that? your mom?

LOL
Do you really believe you have any right and moral standard to query me like that?

Who told you that? Vince?

---

Why you came back to Wartale? Did the money you got from selling your accounts / migrating to Prog's server under Vince orders has run out?

That's why you came back here? No other relevant server to make money thru RMT?

@Wartale, @Support, @Senpai Watch out! This guy is one of those who kept spreading stuff done by brazilians GMs on old r.p.t. era and forced players from EnemieZ to migrate / sell their accounts for real money, to join Vince on Prog's server. Better put a lock on his accounts disabling him to change email / pw / talisman as a safety measure, otherwise, on the first opportunity he will sell his new Wartale account for real money and join the next bandwagon server that cames up, hahaha

 

And oh, back when you played Sun KS, you never won an 1v1 against me. Don't play with the sun if you're afraid of being burnt. Here is you, doing what you do best - stirred on the ground. Well, perhaps it wasn't even you playing on Sun, might have been the player who bought it from you for real money.

 

Edited November 9, 2020 by DarkLink64