Talking about SS spawns

[patriciops 58]

 

in the happy hour event that was having this it simply broke the players that up on left, because 4 people had to share the spawn, and this is harmful to the pt, because we lost xp of 1 mob and we didn't recover just by killing the other 2 faster

[TigerShark22 500]

 

On 2/14/2021 at 5:41 PM, nightmagic said:

@Wartale

  Funny because in SL, all classes are welcome, so it doesn't make sense. Another thing that doesn't make sense is Pets / Crystals, why don't they tank? 
 

A secret about SL-  everyone are welcome there because SL is daily and bye for the most ( especially for the ranger's grind type ), and not a long grind.

 

About SS- some melees might be able to compete at DPS with a tank, but the first thing needed to be  changed is spawns.

A good first step is to move the ranger's spot at  SS left closer to the other spawns at SS left, this will prevent mid parties who can already use 6 spawns to take it. can also get the other spawn at mid a bit closer to the rest of the spawns at mid so they kill more comfortably.

 

Can also move few spawns at SS end left, and SS end right closer to each other so melees will be able to kill there. RN melees can kill in some of the spots, range wise, not all, but the main problem is that they aren't welcome because those spawns are taken most of the day by exp slaves/ rangers who cought it first and trying to get a ranger's party up ( mostly exp slaves, which is  an unfair advantage towards being taken by rangers because of the amount of hours they play, and ofc they use a ranged char to exp because its faster,  so the exp slaves will usually take the spawn first, so a casual player, especially melees at end game who are the definition of casual , can't compete at taking spawns first, so they get left out ).

Edited February 19, 2021 by TigerShark22

[kenibok 1,075]

There’s a range of opinions here but we’re reaching the extremes, ofc thats not good.
I don’t see a reason why melee’s “SHOULD” make as much exp as a ranger, specially because you’re ignoring plenty of things

1- Rangers go with pure and extreme pure builds, automs using 6x or lvl 1 gear, or magicians using gear lvl 1 with bsol mix. Consider you as a melee, have the advantage of tanking more (a lot more) than a hit, needing to switch gear, redistribuite stats because your equip stat is the same as your damage, no skill changes, etc

2- Rangers make more exp because of (1) but also and mostly because they can reach 6 spawns

3- Rangers spend 15-20-25kc on a prs/ms tank

4- Because of (3) rangers hit continuously, pot less and die less, meaning more exp/time

5- Good parties have quality, they take no sh*t, meaning you’re not going city for rb/repot 10 minutes, no afk, not using 1h (not even 142 1h). They play their 100%
 

I do agree all classes should be viable for SS, but, and its a big but, classes are meant to be different, its a balance, we will have a range of atk at pve, we will have one class being better than other, and it is supposed to be this way, what we have to put our attention on is not have an extreme gap, maybe a ~15-20% is kinda ok, but not when X class is 50%+ better than other. I really don’t think this is melee’s oh poor melee’s thing, just check shamans (ranger) damage, or prs lol, even pure prs’s dmg is bad.
So yeah, you have a fair point, but you are getting a little too comfortable and ignoring the list above, just be fair. 
Im q u i t e sure if you -melee’s- used tank, 2h, summer, etc, your damage/party/exp would be very close to equal, maybe some even better like fs/ass

[wtrab209b 57]

14 hours ago, kenibok said:

I don’t see a reason why melee’s “SHOULD” make as much exp as a ranger, specially because you’re ignoring plenty of things

1- Rangers go with pure and extreme pure builds, automs using 6x or lvl 1 gear, or magicians using gear lvl 1 with bsol mix.

3- Rangers spend 15-20-25kc on a prs/ms tank

these are your choices, not others. You can't force people to get B just because you have to do A. Irrelevant.

 

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2- Rangers make more exp because of (1) but also and mostly because they can reach 6 spawns

5- You’re not going city for rb/repot 10 minutes, no afk, not using 1h (not even 142 1h). They play their 100%

This is the problem and need to be fixed, either about the class or mobs or map

 

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4- Because of (3) rangers hit continuously, pot less and die less, meaning more exp/time

This is called "cheating"

 

Melee characters are harder to play yet less rewarding. Meanwhile, rangers and specifically auto ms can do the same thing potless, easier to play and way more rewarding. The map and game design has come to the point where people only accept rangers for party to be more efficient ? Who the hell, with a decent thought process, would have thought this is legitimately acceptable ? I wish the staffs could change the way aggro works on monsters in which monster will shift target to the dude who deals the most damage to it, just to f*ck these little boring lazy asses up.

 

Dog**** design is as clear as day and night and why do you still have to defend it ? Seriously ?

[Kala 48]

If they played in red they could still create a party with 5 ranger + 1 melee or 4 ranger + 2 melee. But they chose the color blue, which shows they are trash players.

Edited February 20, 2021 by Kala

[diegozika 236]

On 2/14/2021 at 2:29 PM, Sho said:

 

If you are @Wartale to speak with such conviction, you might even consider. But ....

In the user report area: 

1 hour ago, Kala said:

If they played in red they could still create a party with 5 ranger + 1 melee or 4 ranger + 2 melee. But they chose the color blue, which shows they are trash players.

Cry, bro!

 

[Kala 48]

27 minutes ago, diegozika said:

 

Cry, bro!

 

Trash SN, much kids cry.

[diegozika 236]

4 minutes ago, Kala said:

Trash SN, much kids cry.

??

[Kala 48]

8 minutes ago, diegozika said:

??

[Kala 48]

5 minutes ago, Coyote said:

 

Once again it is shown that your inexperience and ignorance of the game do not allow you to see the difference between one place and another. That's why in your photo SBY is 17x and you ... who are you?

Let's see who is ignorant?  Please find out before judging.

[Kala 48]

7 minutes ago, Coyote said:

You have the whole year 2021 to discover the difference between one place and another. Good luck, bro.

 

Regards.

I dedicate that to you.  don't try to be wise.

 

[ForYeri 149]

LOL.

they did want to solve the problems of old SL which was like 2016~2019?

they changed some stuff like crystals don't work, no hellspawn, monster high damage, lower monster HP, and etc. in SS, which is released in 2019 or 2020 (forgot),

 

but problems still same. 

thing is.. I don't know if Wartale want to solve the problems or not?? LOL.

 

and also.. the ONLY way to solve the root problem of Melee vs. Range, is to make Range go Melee. LOL.

 

ALL PET OR HUMAN-PET IN SS DIE IN 1-HIT.  (WOLVERINE / GOLEM / CHIMERA / FIRE SPIRIT / HUMAN-PRS-PET)

 

PRS REGEN = AUTO-DEAD.

 

HEALING IS IMPOSSBILE EXCEPT POTTING.

 

MONSTER DAMAGE CANNOT BE BLOCKED / EVADED / DEFENDED.

 

END-MAP = MISSION IMPOSSIBLE.

 

RANGER CRY SAME MELEE CRY.

 

PROBLEM SOLVED..

LOL.

 

mission impossible gogogo <33

[kenibok 1,075]

3 hours ago, wtrab209b said:

these are your choices, not others. You can't force people to get B just because you have to do A. Irrelevant.

 

This is the problem and need to be fixed, either about the class or mobs or map

 

This is called "cheating"

 

Since you’re clearly nee in this topic i suggest you read it

I’m almost sorry you feel I'm pushing you to do something, clearly i’m not; If you actually pay attention you could see that basically all i said was that the point of comparison people (melees) are using is simply absurd. You want to compare a pure build + tank, to a hybrid char that  q u i t e  often dies, pots and uses 1h weapon, i mean, you can, but that’s actually something irrelevant
 

3 hours ago, wtrab209b said:

This is called "cheating"

 

Melee characters are harder to play yet less rewarding. Meanwhile, rangers and specifically auto ms can do the same thing potless, easier to play and way more rewarding. The map and game design has come to the point where people only accept rangers for party to be more efficient ? Who the hell, with a decent thought process, would have thought this is legitimately acceptable ? I wish the staffs could change the way aggro works on monsters in which monster will shift target to the dude who deals the most damage to it, just to f*ck these little boring lazy asses up.

 

Dog**** design is as clear as day and night and why do you still have to defend it ? Seriously ?

 

See? This is the kind of comparison that people make that are 100% absurd. I encourage you to play an automs, archer, even atalanta the way you’d play a melee, then come and say which ones are harder to play, less rewarding, just count how many rb’s you use, or hp or any actually

Anyways everything in this topic has been said, both sides are wrong to me, bb

[Kala 48]

6 minutes ago, Coyote said:

 And i dedicate that to you: Once again it is shown that your inexperience and ignorance of the game do not allow you to see the difference between one place and another. You have the whole year 2021 to discover the difference between one place and another. Good luck, bro.

 

Don't try to be wise.

Regards.

hahaha, Tell me about ignorance?  Or are you trying to hide your ignorance? trash ?

[mastellini 485]

2 hours ago, diegozika said:

In the user report area: 

Cry, bro!

 

little selfish

[Kala 48]

15 minutes ago, Coyote said:

 

Im playing in the best spawm ever, and you?

 

P.S. Our leader is a melee, 144-150 in 1 week, and her will be the next top brawler.

 

P.S.1 Cry

 

Do you really understand what I'm saying about this topic?  The picture I borrowed is just one example of 6 spawn, like I said, who is ignorant?  Find out before judging. Learn English to understand clearly. Trash ?

Edited February 20, 2021 by Kala

[Kala 48]

7 minutes ago, Coyote said:

And do you understand that the two spawm configurations you propose are totally different? one is very efficient and the other is rubbish. You have all of 2021 to find out and then in 2022, say "aaaah".

It is stupid.  You still do not understand this topic.  " Find out before judging. Learn English to understand clearly. Trash  ? " who is ignorant? hahaha

Edited February 20, 2021 by Kala

[Kala 48]

20 minutes ago, Coyote said:

Gogogo 15x, friend. You can do it. 

 

Regards.

Ignorant of this topic and navigation to the level.  You are stupid. Hahaha trash forever ?

Edited February 20, 2021 by Kala

[patriciops 58]

I just went in SS on 3 servers and I saw 1 HS of left being taken by the MID party, I think this is a little unfair with melee, it may be really whoever takes it first, but because of that we have to do less xp than we already do ? Left has always been a better place for melee to level up and now left is crying, as the MID pt is taking 1 HS that would be of great help to melee that is on the left. Really sad that

 

https://imgur.com/5lT0lBX

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Edited February 22, 2021 by patriciops