NEW UPDATE - BATTLE EXP CHANGES

[Clem 1,241]

Hello everyone,

I come here to discuss after the last update, I'll quote here the part about PVP BATTLE EXP SYSTEM here :

(Stop posting videos of people that are boosting because it won't help to find an issue about that problem)

 

 Changelog Patch 5222:

• Battle EXP changes:
  • Added rewards to 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th places per class
• • Changes to scoring system:
    • Day bonuses: earlier on in the scoring period (e.g. Monday) you gain more score than later on (e.g. Friday)
    • Score now decays faster if you're inactive in PvP
    • If you make too many kills in a short time interval it will reduce the score gained proportionally
    • Added a negative score cap of -250 for losers. This cap also reduces the score gained by the killer
    • Score lost by victim is 50% of the score gained by the killer instead of being the same
    • Removal of class based bonus/penalties and streak limits
• Increased Neutrality Treaty base price at NPC to 250kk

 

 

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First, I would like to say thanks to the staff to improve it because it was really needed. 

It's a good start but updating the formula is a minor improvment of the whole pvp system. 

 

The main problem was and still ... it's boosting from players by doing fake PVP & killing mules. 

I tried to check how  the new system works now to understand.

Tests done : PRS 154 & PRS 157 (Thanks Max for your help)

 

 

So with the new battle exp forumula, it's easier to boost but harder to be negative. 

How ?  

After you reach the cap of -250 battle exp you loose 0 exp on your char but the killer still get som exp (from 66 to 27 non stop, random exp). 

I didn't tried with mules because most of boosting are done by doing fake PVP & transfering exp from allies clans. 

 

About ideas, they are on the suggestions boards. 

 

I'm just here to make things better and share my own point of view. If we give a reward ingame it have to be given to fair players. 

 

Thanks,

Clem.

Edited June 5, 2021 by Clem

[1533 145]

34 minutes ago, Clem said:

Hello everyone,

I come here to discuss after the last update, I'll quote here the part about PVP BATTLE EXP SYSTEM here :

(Stop posting videos of people that are boosting because it won't help to find an issue about that problem)

 

 Changelog Patch 5222:

• Battle EXP changes:
  • Added rewards to 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th places per class
• • Changes to scoring system:
    • Day bonuses: earlier on in the scoring period (e.g. Monday) you gain more score than later on (e.g. Friday)
    • Score now decays faster if you're inactive in PvP
    • If you make too many kills in a short time interval it will reduce the score gained proportionally
    • Added a negative score cap of -250 for losers. This cap also reduces the score gained by the killer
    • Score lost by victim is 50% of the score gained by the killer instead of being the same
    • Removal of class based bonus/penalties and streak limits
• Increased Neutrality Treaty base price at NPC to 250kk

 

 

============================================================================================

First, I would like to say thanks to the staff to improve it because it was really needed. 

It's a good start but updating the formula is a minor improvment of the whole pvp system. 

 

The main problem was and still ... it's boosting from players by doing fake PVP & killing mules. 

I tried to check how  the new system works now to understand.

Tests done : PRS 154 & PRS 157 (Thanks Max for your help)

 

 

So with the new battle exp forumula, it's easier to boost but harder to be negative. 

How ?  

After you reach the cap of -250 battle exp you loose 0 exp on your char but the killer still get som exp (from 66 to 27 non stop, random exp). 

I didn't tried with mules because most of boosting are done by doing fake PVP & transfering exp from allies clans. 

 

About ideas, they are on the suggestions boards. 

 

I'm just here to make things better and share my own point of view. If we give a reward ingame it have to be given to fair players. 

 

Thanks,

Clem.

yeah, the problem is not solved ?

[poosh1 204]

Hard punishment for who boost and i doubt players will try =))

[Mjizzy_7 1,898]

Easy. Boost = 3 Day bann from Bc means u will make ur clan weaker by not be able to help them in bc. Then lets see who will have balls to boost

[HollyShot 967]

18 minutes ago, Moussi7 said:

Easy. Boost = 3 Day bann from Bc means u will make ur clan weaker by not be able to help them in bc. Then lets see who will have balls to boost

1st time 7 days block

2nd time 15 days block

3rd time 30 days block

4rd perm ban

[Mjizzy_7 1,898]

7 minutes ago, HollyShot said:

1st time 7 days block

2nd time 15 days block

3rd time 30 days block

4rd perm ban

+1 maybe some would say uff to hard but hey its a rule it shouldnt be breaked same other rules so ppl will think twice before they wanna risk it

Edited June 5, 2021 by Moussi7

[xkintaro 1,701]

12 minutes ago, HollyShot said:

1st time 7 days block

2nd time 15 days block

3rd time 30 days block

4rd perm ban

 

there are always both sides, the one that makes the boost and the one that helps with mule accounts, they should check the ip and see who helped the mules and that person also takes punishment on the main account.

[Toi yeu cho 40]

the impression that (staff) gives us is that not even the owner of the game plays his game.

it would be good for the game owner + Gm's/Staff members to play the wartale to understand how it is currently (PvP/PvE).

 

Changed some things in pvp exp, but will stay the same, both sides boosting, or they'll find a bug and exploit it. and create rules that are open to interpretation, we've already seen that it didn't work.

 

 

And the change in PvE/SS? It was bad for Meele's level up rn or before this patch... and now with crystal transforming against the players...game over for meele's.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 5, 2021 by Toi yeu cho

[Clem 1,241]

1 hour ago, poosh1 said:

Hard punishment for who boost and i doubt players will try =))

 

1 hour ago, Moussi7 said:

Easy. Boost = 3 Day bann from Bc means u will make ur clan weaker by not be able to help them in bc. Then lets see who will have balls to boost

 

45 minutes ago, HollyShot said:

1st time 7 days block

2nd time 15 days block

3rd time 30 days block

4rd perm ban

 

32 minutes ago, xkintaro said:

 

there are always both sides, the one that makes the boost and the one that helps with mule accounts, they should check the ip and see who helped the mules and that person also takes punishment on the main account.

I agree that boosters need to get a punishment. 
But how you prove that people are boosting when they are doing fake PVP? (This is the easy & most efficient way to get Battle Exp). 
—> It’s kinda impossible to prove it.

 

What’s more, battle pvp experience can be more challenging for some players but I think it only broke the fun with the Bless Clastle system. Why ? Because we all know BC it’s about numbers (This can change according to the players and the lvl etc...). That is to say, if you have more players on your side, you have more chance to “win”.

But 80% of the time (and every side), run to the city or disconnect because they are outnumbered.

—> So the other side can’t have fun, the outnumber side neither. 
(At the end, friends/allies pvp for fun, and it can be considered as boosting...)

 

What are the ideas : 

1. When you go to BC, you will automatically be on a random team (the choice of the team is according to the lvl and numbers)Then you have to fight against the others teams. We are all here for the same purpose : having fun. Whoever we kills, we just want to distract ourselves.
2. Remove the battle exp system till they add a new type of playing such as battle royal (A try worth it) 

 

30 minutes ago, Toi yeu cho said:

the impression that (staff) gives us is that not even the owner of the game plays his game.

it would be good for the game owner + Gm's/Staff members to play the wartale to understand how it is currently (PvP/PvE).

 

Changed some things in pvp exp, but will stay the same, both sides boosting, or they'll find a bug and exploit it. and create rules that are open to interpretation, we've already seen that it didn't work.

 

 

And the change in PvE/SS? It was bad for Meele's level up, now with crystal transforming against the players...game over for meele's.

 

 

Hello,

About PVE, It’s worst and it’s another case but I still don’t understand why they keep it this way and don’t put back pets and Xtals as it suppose to be. We made several posts, poll (90% voted yes), sent PM to the GM with clear arguments .... and no changes on it since many years. 
We have 1 map to have a decent exp, but can’t even use it alone. 

Ofc it’s their own game, but when things are unfair or when every players agree to put it (even if there’s no negative impact), they should try to answers us, or giving us arguments. 

 

Just a loyal player ?

 

 

Edited June 5, 2021 by Clem

[Dinamitze 113]

8 minutes ago, Clem said:

What are the ideas : 

clan alliance, pvp between alliance does not receive bp (I don't know if this system is possible in the game)

 

[Support 4,269]

41 minutes ago, Toi yeu cho said:

not even the owner of the game plays his game.

Very wise accusation without know the fact.

 

The patch has only been released for few hours so let not give any conclusion to early without seeing the full result from it.

The booster will always try to boost so what we are trying to do is do is to make what they are doing become useless.

[EliPortela 147]

45 minutes ago, Support said:

Very wise accusation without know the fact.

 

The patch has only been released for few hours so let not give any conclusion to early without seeing the full result from it.

The booster will always try to boost so what we are trying to do is do is to make what they are doing become useless.

 

Any thoughts on meless or what?

[wolf0119 267]

1 hour ago, HollyShot said:

1a vez bloque de 7 días

2a vez bloque de 15 días

3ra vez bloque de 30 días

4a prohibición de permanente

+1

Although permanent blocking could be avoided with an account transition, the something would have to be done with those holes.

 

.........

 

1 hour ago, Clem said:

 

1. Cuando vas a BC , usted será automáticamente en un equipo al azar (la elección del equipo es según el lvl y números) Entonces usted tiene que luchar contra los otros equipos.  Todos estamos aquí con el mismo propósito: divertirnos. Quienquiera que matemos, solo queremos distraernos.
2. Elimina el sistema de experiencia de batalla hasta que agreguen un nuevo tipo de juego como Battle Royal (un intento vale la pena) 

-1, I prefer, and I think it is the case for many, to choose who to play with and which side to be on.

 

51 minutes ago, Support said:

El parche solo se ha lanzado durante unas pocas horas, así que no dé ninguna conclusión antes de tiempo sin ver el resultado completo.

 

+1, We should wait at least a week, after that start spilling ideas, after all, a week with something wrong, it won't kill us

 

 

[xkintaro 1,701]

7 minutes ago, driger said:

@Support Please make some changes so that melee classes can level up too. Some classes need buff in PVE, mainly FS, PS, BS, KS.

 

Maybe assassin and mech too, mech is forced to auto-mech to get decent xp, many others would play more power-mech in pve if it was more viable.

[HollyShot 967]

1 hour ago, Clem said:

 

 

 

I agree that boosters need to get a punishment. 
But how you prove that people are boosting when they are doing fake PVP? (This is the easy & most efficient way to get Battle Exp). 
—> It’s kinda impossible to prove it.

 

What’s more, battle pvp experience can be more challenging for some players but I think it only broke the fun with the Bless Clastle system. Why ? Because we all know BC it’s about numbers (This can change according to the players and the lvl etc...). That is to say, if you have more players on your side, you have more chance to “win”.

But 80% of the time (and every side), run to the city or disconnect because they are outnumbered.

—> So the other side can’t have fun, the outnumber side neither. 
(At the end, friends/allies pvp for fun, and it can be considered as boosting...)

 

What are the ideas : 

1. When you go to BC, you will automatically be on a random team (the choice of the team is according to the lvl and numbers)Then you have to fight against the others teams. We are all here for the same purpose : having fun. Whoever we kills, we just want to distract ourselves.
2. Remove the battle exp system till they add a new type of playing such as battle royal (A try worth it) 

 

 

Hello,

About PVE, It’s worst and it’s another case but I still don’t understand why they keep it this way and don’t put back pets and Xtals as it suppose to be. We made several posts, poll (90% voted yes), sent PM to the GM with clear arguments .... and no changes on it since many years. 
We have 1 map to have a decent exp, but can’t even use it alone. 

Ofc it’s their own game, but when things are unfair or when every players agree to put it (even if there’s no negative impact), they should try to answers us, or giving us arguments. 

 

Just a loyal player ?

 

 

It's not so hard to prove, there are some natural behaviors during pvp that when u are in a fake 1x1 you wont do it, like take buffs/rebuffs, use hp pots, etc. Ofc it's not easy but staff can check and analyze if it's a boost. Also, they can check pms in game and see what they were saying. Even it's not perfect, it's still better than not have any rules.

The best option would be like Dinamitze said, an alliance system between clans where you wouldnt win or lose xp against your friends. 

About your ideas

1- Random team doesnt work in bc, that would just be no sense to have any clans in the game, ppl enjoy play with friends not in a random way. Although this idea would work in a Battle Royale (in bpt you have random teams in battle royale and works well).

2- battle royale is coming soon, already in home page, and shouldnt count xp there, should have different prizes/rankings.

Edited June 5, 2021 by HollyShot

[wolf0119 267]

20 minutes ago, driger said:

@Apoyo Haz algunos cambios para que las clases cuerpo a cuerpo también puedan subir de nivel. Algunas clases necesitan mejoras en PVE, principalmente FS , PS , BS , KS .

 

18 minutes ago, EliPortela said:

 

¿Alguna idea sobre mí, o qué?

 

10 minutes ago, xkintaro said:

 

Tal vez assassin y mech también, mech se ve obligado a auto-mech para obtener un xp decente, muchos otros jugarían más power-mech en pve si fuera más viable.

 

 

In a past publication the GM said that he was already working on it, possibly for the "Next Big Update", so it would be time to wait or make a new post, since this is not about that.

4 minutes ago, HollyShot said:

No es tan difícil de demostrar, hay algunos comportamientos naturales durante el pvp que cuando estás en un 1x1 falso no lo harás, como recibir mejoras / rechazos, usar potenciómetros de HP , etc.Ofc no es fácil, pero el personal puede verificar y analizar si es un impulso. Además, pueden verificar pms en el juego y ver lo que estaban diciendo. Incluso si no es perfecto, es mejor que no tener reglas.

La mejor opción sería como dijo Dinamitze, un sistema de alianza entre clanes donde no ganarías ni perderías XP contra tus amigos. 

Sobre tus ideas

1- El equipo aleatorio no funciona en bc , no tendría sentido tener clanes en el juego, las personas disfrutan de jugar con amigos, no de forma aleatoria. Aunque esta idea funcionaría en un Battle Royale (en bpt tienes equipos de Battle Royale y funciona bien).

2- Battle Royale llegará pronto, ya en la página de inicio, y no debería contar xp allí, debería tener diferentes premios / clasificaciones.

I would like to add to this, not receiving player experience 15-25 levels lower than yours.

 

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 it does not solve everything, but it helps a lot, so if the alliance system is running, you can no longer do an alliance or mule boost.

 

Some time ago I published a suggestion about the alliance system in BC, although it was not very well received at that time, because people believed that there should not be an alliance, I think that now they are more open to it, because it is not something that can be regulated, and with the growth that the game has had, I think it would be beneficial

 

My suggestion was about allied damage, debuff, and area attacks.

[MOMO 35]

Em 05/06/2021 às 20:16, driger disse:

@Apoiar Por favor, faça algumas mudanças para que as classes possam subir de nível também. Algumas classes precisam de buff em PVE, principalmente FS , PS , BS , KS .

& pris

Edited June 9, 2021 by MOMO