Pray For Brawlers using Octagon + Rampage on PVE

[MoCuishle 64]

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[DeadlyWarrior 688]

damage is already higher then lvl 150 fighter with 2H 138+24 axe, that is much less tanky then BS. cry more

Edited July 13, 2021 by DeadlyWarrior

[MoCuishle 64]

25 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

cry more

You are the one crying about FS nerfed on PVP (and it was fair, like it was for all classes, to avoid hit kill events and make it more fun/balanced). Those skills from Brawler (Rampage + Octagon) doesn't work on PVE and im showing it here. Im proving that this is not working. In this moment, while u are crying about FS on PVP, we have 4 FS on top 10 PVP and one of them is top 1. Fs, MS and Ass still the best at PVP. So stop complain and just enjoy the game and the amazing class that you have in your hands. You tought that only Brawlers would be nerfed and vomited to the 4 winds about it (Treating Bs players like idiots). What you didn't expect was that there would be a big attempt at balancing and that your class would be in the middle of it too. ?

 

Note:  Since you edited.... There is nothing to do with DMG, "Genius", its about skills that are not working (and will not even if they buff it, like they did with octagon 100% to 360% and Rampage 97% to 136%). It could be even nerfed, but the question is... IT DOES NOT WORK. Those skills for PVE are not good, just this. Im not asking for buff, and u are here just as a stalker cause u got mad as hell when u saw that u were wrong about "the future" acting like a player who knows everething about Wartale. ?

 

Note 2: Fs dmg is higher than Brawlers, either in repetition skills, or in attack power, with the exception of Comit Fist, the only skill that overcomes the final damage of the FS, which has much more critical, speed and skill varieties to kill, while Brawlers are now dependent on a "lucky punch" from the Comit Fist, but you're the one complaining, im ok with it. 

 

Mad Nietzsche LMFAO ?

 

Edited July 13, 2021 by MoCuishle

[MoCuishle 64]

18 minutes ago, driger said:

 

What a lie. FS is one of the fastest killing melees in SS (If not the fastest). Brawler remains the WORST.

OFC it is ... Fs is just not so tanky, but he has the most "brutal" DMG off all melees. Its a class with offensive features many strong offensive skills (speed, attack power buff, ATR buff, critical from brutal swing chained with AC, critical on DT, etc...) more than defensive. And still good as hell on PVP. 

 

The problem about BS is ... a lot of time wasted to cast skills, delay of those skills, and this weirdness behavior inside the octagon. You punch the mob with Rampage and it moves around you, not in the Octagon wall's direction.. WTF ?

 

And even if they move towards Octagon wall they will not stay there... So u lost time pushing the mob away to maybe, JUST MAYBE, inflict a single 4/5k dmg on it cause mob will run in your direction again and guess what? U need to wait Rampage delays to try to do it again and see if u get a new success losing time again, pushing the mob away again ... Now try to use only this combo: Otara challenge + Head Crsuher (all the time against any mob) + Neck Wrecker... You will kill twice faster than using Octagon + Rampage (skill that they buffed A LOT). Even if u buff Octagon from 360% to 950% it will be  bad anyway ... The problem is not the DMG itself, the problem is that is not practical use it on PVE. 

 

The only chance for this to happen would be to change the mechanics of the Octagon, as I told Ms Overlady, making the Brawler gain speed + damage when Octagon is activated and the MOB is inside it, without the need to keep pushing it against the wall of the Octagon. In this case, the wall could have 0% DMG, because it doesn't matter and this gameplay of having to keep creating the octagon, carrying a punch, pushing a mob away, will never be good, because it's slow and inefficient.

Edited July 13, 2021 by MoCuishle

[Asylum 186]

45 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

damage is already higher then lvl 150 fighter with 2H 138+24 axe, that is much less tanky then BS. cry more

DMG BS>FS? 

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[monkeymadness32 9]

Post videos in bug report if its not working and not here

[MoCuishle 64]

Just now, monkeymadness32 said:

Post videos in bug report if its not working and not here

Even if they fix this "bug", things will gonna be bad. They need to think about wich skills of Brawlers they should/could make better for PVE. The answer is simple: They Buff Neck Wrecker for PVE (Perfect, nothing to complain). They Buff Octagon on PVE (x3,6) and nerfed it on PVP (-x5). This is the frst problem, cause Octagon is not good on PVE and they just destroy this skill for PVP. And They Buff Rampage instead of Pummel, wich is a mistake, cause this skill that pushs mob away is annoying on PVE even if Octagon works, cause u lose time while u could use Pummel or Head crusher to have more flow and kill faster... Octagon works fine in PVP (but since they did a "monster nerf" on it, just dont worth use it anymore, only to protect yourself, maybe). In my case, i dont use Octagon neither in PVP nor in PVE. Im trying to ask them, to change, at least, the choise of buff on PVE. Buff Pummel instead of Rampage. And if they think Octagon with only 20% on PVP is ok, that's fine, i don't care about it. Destroy brawlers resources on PVP, but at least make her good enough to play PVE. I invested a lot of money (some players money and time) to be marginalized as the worst melee on PVE. Assassins traveled the same path. It took years of struggling to improve her condition, and after many years, still have things to do, skills with bug and some problems to solve. Brawlers was walking a good path, but if they decide to do stuffs thinking in what they want to do instead of what players needs, well... Brawler will be just a shadow and a good memory of the time when she was released and how funny championship was. 

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

52 minutes ago, driger said:

 

What a lie. FS is one of the fastest killing melees in SS (If not the fastest). Brawler remains the WORST.

 

you can read? the damage per hit a brawler do is higher then FS. when its not a lie why you talk like this? i see the numbers in the video. damage per hit has nothing to do with damage per second. who is talking about DPS? but even for DPS where is the proof? while a 14x can play easily in SL and SS a FS have to pot hard. that you have to calculate. brawler is heavy tanker with high hp and high damage. 

1 hour ago, MoCuishle said:

You are the one crying about FS nerfed on PVP (and it was fair, like it was for all classes, to avoid hit kill events and make it more fun/balanced). Those skills from Brawler (Rampage + Octagon) doesn't work on PVE and im showing it here. Im proving that this is not working. In this moment, while u are crying about FS on PVP, we have 4 FS on top 10 PVP and one of them is top 1. Fs, MS and Ass still the best at PVP. So stop complain and just enjoy the game and the amazing class that you have in your hands. You tought that only Brawlers would be nerfed and vomited to the 4 winds about it (Treating Bs players like idiots). What you didn't expect was that there would be a big attempt at balancing and that your class would be in the middle of it too. ?

 

Note:  Since you edited.... There is nothing to do with DMG, "Genius", its about skills that are not working (and will not even if they buff it, like they did with octagon 100% to 360% and Rampage 97% to 136%). It could be even nerfed, but the question is... IT DOES NOT WORK. Those skills for PVE are not good, just this. Im not asking for buff, and u are here just as a stalker cause u got mad as hell when u saw that u were wrong about "the future" acting like a player who knows everething about Wartale. ?

 

Note 2: Fs dmg is higher than Brawlers, either in repetition skills, or in attack power, with the exception of Comit Fist, the only skill that overcomes the final damage of the FS, which has much more critical, speed and skill varieties to kill, while Brawlers are now dependent on a "lucky punch" from the Comit Fist, but you're the one complaining, im ok with it. 

 

Mad Nietzsche LMFAO ?

 

 

check ranking after reset again. this majinbuu used a belt too, i sold it to him. 

 

feedback = cry? but you are opening a topic here and crying like a kid. there is nothing wrong with BS. i see high damage, while mob do 2xx dmg on your BS. on my fs this mob do 4xx-5xx damage. with 2h Axe 138+24 cant do this damage in SL. and cant tank like this, need to pot alot. only wonly 12% block on axe, thats all. and we are not crying. so why you cry? 

 

Edited July 13, 2021 by DeadlyWarrior

[MoCuishle 64]

9 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

you you read? the damage per hit a brawler do is higher then FS. that is what insee in the video. damage per hit has nothing to do with damage per second. but even for DPS where is the proof? while a 14x can play easily in SL and SS a FS have to pot hard. that you have to calculate. brawler is heavy tanker with high hp and high damage. 

Bro... An FS 14x can hit 8/10k per hit using AC on SL mobs. Im using x2 fists 142 +24 with sapphire force and i got 7/8k critical dmg using Rampage. FS hist MUCH more than BS. U keep lying here... Make a video of your FS using sword 138 +24 on SL using AC and show us that u hit less than 7k critical to prove ur point. Dont forget to say that u have almost twice critical chances and speed 9 with buff while BS has only speed 7. Its a joke trying to compare FS DMG with BS. FS hits harder than FS and BS tanks better than FS... This is the only truth.

Edited July 13, 2021 by MoCuishle

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

5 minutes ago, MoCuishle said:

Bro... An FS 14x can hit 8/10k per hit using AC on SL mobs. Im using x2 fists 142 +24 with sapphire force and i got 7/8k critical dmg using Rampage. FS hist MUCH more than BS. U keep lying here... Make a video of your FS using sword 138 +24 on SL using AC and show us that u hit less than 7k critical to prove ur point. 

 

man your talking **** i made videos i will show you

[MoCuishle 64]

23 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

feedback = cry? but you are opening a topic here and crying like a kid. there is nothing wrong with BS. i see high damage, while mob do 2xx dmg on your BS. on my fs this mob do 4xx-5xx damage. with 2h Axe 138+24 cant do this damage in SL. and cant tank like this, need to pot alot. only wonly 12% block on axe, thats all. and we are not crying. so why you cry? 

 

Make a video in a new topic to show how "low" FS dmg is and ask for buff. I wish u luck .. cause FS with axe 138 +24 hits harder than any BS with x2 fists +24. Prove ur point...

Just now, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

man your talking **** i made videos i will show you

Ok show your weapon, lv and force... hit with AC and show us a less than 7k critical DMG. I can't wait....

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

no one said FS hits low. but its not true that FS hit harder then a BS. BS hit harder then a FS. and BS is much more tanky. without healing pet i cant stand good with 2h weapon in SL need to use crystal or pot alot. i am pure strg FS, maximum strength possible. 

Edited July 13, 2021 by DeadlyWarrior

[MoCuishle 64]

14 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

no one said FS hits low. but its not true that FS hit harder then a BS. BS hit harder then a FS. and BS is much more tanky. without healing pet i cant stand good with 2h weapon in SL need to use crystal or pot alot. i am pure strg FS, maximum strength possible. 

Friend... i do not agree... and u need to prove it. Fs hits harder than BS. I saw all the time FS 14x hitting 8k till 10k using AC with sword low aged or even BSOL. Make a video showing the dmg and create a topic. I bet that if u prove that FS is hitting so low as u are saying, probably staff will do something about it. But i do not believe, that this is the truth. You are the only one with FS saying this kind of stuff here... FS is "force of nature" when we talk about DMG... It's a true King! Stop to do it ... 

Edited July 13, 2021 by MoCuishle

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

man destroyer can do with t5 priest buff 10k damage, but never AC. your wrong man. without buffs its hard to get 8k damage. i will proof it for you. just relax. brawler hit harder then FS. thats the truth, while BS is much more tanky. you recieve 2xx damage in SL, i recieve the double damage 4xx. you skill do 3 hits without cool down, while AC do 2 hits.

 

 

 

27 minutes ago, MoCuishle said:

Friend... i do not agree... and u need to prove it. Fs hits harder than BS. I saw all the time FS 14x hitting 8k till 10k using AC with sword low aged or even BSOL. Make a video showing the dmg and create a topic. I bet that if u prove that FS is hitting so low as u are saying, probably staff will do something about it. But i do not believe, that this is the truth. You are the only one with FS saying this kind of stuff here... FS is "force of nature" when we talk about DMG... It's a true King! Stop to do it ... 

 

go check the videos now. FS using healing phoenix, pure strength even with 64spirit, full strength, with axe 138+24 and oredo force. thats the maximum damage without buffs. can't get more strength. its not true what you are saying. brawler hit harder although brawler do 3 hits. and that is the problem in PVP too. brawler is too tanky and hit too hard, no balance here at all. fighter got destroyed in his finisher skill destroyer, so a FS have to play like a knight now, but is not tanky. FS is still better then a KS in terms of damage in pvp, but the nerf is definetly too big in destroyer.

Edited July 13, 2021 by DeadlyWarrior

[MoCuishle 64]

27 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

man destroyer can do with t5 priest buff 10k damage, but never AC. your wrong man. without buffs its hard to get 8k damage. i will proof it for you. just relax. brawler hit harder then FS. thats the truth, while BS is much more tanky. you recieve 2xx damage in SL, i recieve the double damage 4xx

well ... lets talk serious about it? Fs 143 with Axe 134 +22 and bellum force = Critical hit 7k on AC and 9k on DT (attacking undead, so no dmg add).

Im Brawler 140 with x2 fists 142 +24 perf + sapphire force = 7/8k critical. 

 

You can stop lying now? Or u will continue with this nonsense? Fs = KING bro.. Speed, critical, dmg

 

27 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

man destroyer can do with t5 priest buff 10k damage, but never AC. your wrong man. without buffs its hard to get 8k damage. i will proof it for you. just relax. brawler hit harder then FS. thats the truth, while BS is much more tanky. you recieve 2xx damage in SL, i recieve the double damage 4xx. you skill do 3 hits without cool down, while AC do 2 hits.

 

 

 

 

go check the videos now. FS using healing phoenix, pure strength even with 64spirit, full strength, with axe 138+24 and oredo force. thats the maximum damage without buffs. can't get more strength. its not true what you are saying. brawler hit harder although brawler do 3 hits. and that is the problem in PVP too. brawler is too tanky and hit too hard, no balance here at all. fighter got destroyed in his finisher skill destroyer, so a FS have to play like a knight now, but is not tanky. FS is still better then a KS in terms of damage in pvp, but the nerf is definetly too big in destroyer.

LV of Fs? Axe + 15? Are u kidding right? Still can deal 7-8k DMG

 

Im 150 with x2 fists 142 +24 and sapp force and i critical 7/8k dmg. Its pretty clear that FS hits MUCH harder than BS ... WTF

Edited July 13, 2021 by MoCuishle

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

3 minutes ago, MoCuishle said:

well ... lets talk serious about it? Fs 143 with Axe 134 +22 and bellum force = Critical hit 7k on AC and 9k on DT (attacking undead, so no dmg add).

Im Brawler 140 with x2 fists 142 +24 perf + sapphire force = 7/8k critical. 

 

You can stop lying now? Or u will continue with this nonsense? Fs = KING bro.. Speed, critical, dmg

 

 

omg... check my video first before talking ****. Destroyer have BONUS DAMAGE against demon type. same as bone crash. FS is strong against Demon Type Monsters. But in SL and SS there is only one Demon-Type. Elite Soldier is Demon Type and he use this skills. check my videos, pure strength. with AC his damage is low. omg you really dont know anything about the game

[MoCuishle 64]

6 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

omg... check my video first before talking ****. Destroyer have BONUS DAMAGE against demon type. same as bone crash. FS is strong against Demon Type Monsters. But in SL and SS there is only one Demon-Type. Elite Soldier is Demon Type and he use this skills. check my videos, pure strength. with AC his damage is low. omg you really dont know anything about the game

I filmed fs 143 killing one undead with axe 134 +22 and bellum force. He hits 7k on AC and 9k on DT. Can u at least see the video? Can u read? 

 

Ur FS is using axe +15 and oredo force

 

Stop lying bro... U really have some problems. 

Edited July 13, 2021 by MoCuishle

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

wtf is wrong with your brain? my FS use 138+24 Axe 182-194 damage, perfect with oredo force. that is the damage my FS is doing with full strength.

[MoCuishle 64]

1 minute ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

wtf is wrong with your brain? my FS use 138+24 Axe 182-194 damage, perfect with oredo force. that is the damage my FS is doing with full strength.

Lv of Fs? Cause u are hitting the same as the fs 143 with axe 134 +22 ... One fs with axe / sword 138 +24 can Reach much more than this.

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

6 minutes ago, driger said:

Bro, what items are you using? Do you have SB3? Draxos boots? Ax 142? SET 140 BSOL DNT? Armor + Shield 140 +24 DNT?

It's no use comparing a FS using bad items with a BS using top items (like Draxos, SB3, Fists 142+24, 140 DNT items).

 

another one who talking nonsense. my axe is 138+24 perfect damage. what does draxos boots have to do with damage? what does SB3 have to do with damage? what does armor and shield have to do with damage? armor and shield are weapons? ahaha
i have 142 axe yes but it is weaker then 2h 138 axe haha oh my god man thats ridicioulus.

 

3 minutes ago, MoCuishle said:

Lv of Fs? Cause u are hitting the same as the fs 143 with axe 134 +22 ... One fs with axe / sword 138 +24 can Reach much more than this.

 

my damage is higher then that FS. but not much higher. that video really suprised me how low the difference is between me and him. thats ridicioulus, i am using 138+24 axe. haha oh my god really sad sad

Edited July 13, 2021 by DeadlyWarrior

[MoCuishle 64]

2 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

another one who talking nonsense. my axe is 138+24 perfect damage. what does draxos boots to do with damage? what das SB3 to do with damage? what das armor and shield to do with damage? i have 142 axe yes but it is weaker then 2h 138 axe haha oh my god man thats ridicioulus.

 

Draxos, armor has nothing to do with dmg... 

 

U are just doing the same dmg as an FS 143 with axe 134 +22

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

22 minutes ago, driger said:

SB3+DEF+ATK RATE= U CAN TANK A LITLE BIT MORE, AND HIT MORE
DRAXOS = 15% EVADE, HELPS A LOT TO TANK IN SS/SL

SWORD 138 +24 = HIGH CRITICAL CHANCE 15% BLOCK, AGAIN U CAN TANK MORE AND DO MORE DMG^^

Def and attack rating has nothing to do with damage.
i used sword before axe. the sword make much more critical yes, but it miss more. the damage of axe is a bit higher then sword, but not much higher.

 

22 minutes ago, MoCuishle said:

Draxos, armor has nothing to do with dmg... 

 

U are just doing the same dmg as an FS 143 with axe 134 +22

 

i do 7.6-8k damage in SL with 138+24 axe, lvl 148 with maximum strength 64 spirit, oredo force. i am not saying the damage is bad. but again the damage of brawler is higher. FS only can do more damage with DESTROYER, a 3 hit skill with cool down and no extra attack rating. it miss much, thats why i am using axe now. it add extra damage against Demon Type Monster. destroyer is the skill where fighters get their damage from, but they nerfed it so hard in PVP. in PVE the skill have still the same damage boost. my suggestion was to increase the attack rating to Rage of Zecram, so that the first hit of this skill miss less. then you can use this skill, get miss less miss on first hit of Zecram + burning damage 4 seconds. that would increase the DPS of fighter, because then you can use Zecram and switch during the burning time to AC. But as it is now, because rage of Zecram miss to much, even with axe and 140 brace, it doesnt buff the DPS of fighter. you have to sacrify a skill in tier1-3 for this skill. you dont have much choices, you will sacrify Bone Crash. But bone crash is good against demon monsters, doesnt have cool down. its better to keep this skill then rage of zecram.



 

 

 

Edited July 13, 2021 by DeadlyWarrior

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

26 minutes ago, MoCuishle said:

Lv of Fs? Cause u are hitting the same as the fs 143 with axe 134 +22 ... One fs with axe / sword 138 +24 can Reach much more than this.

 

btw, i am the fighter who was pvping you in BC yesterday who lost 1000 time to get only 1 kill. i was not able to kill your BS with full buff and maximum damage. destroyer is too weak now, even 2 hits wasn't enough, your damage reduction with your high HP make it too hard. but you kill my FS easy, your damage is very high.

[MoCuishle 64]

4 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

Def and attack rating has nothing to do with damage.
i used sword before axe. the sword make much more critical yes, but it miss more. the damage of axe is a bit higher then sword, but not much higher.

 

 

i do 7.6-8k damage in SL with 138+24 axe, lvl 148 with maximum strength 64 spirit, oredo force. i am not saying the damage is bad. but again the damage of brawler is higher. FS only can do more damage with DESTROYER, a 3 hit skill with cool down and no extra attack rating. this skill have bonus damage to demon type. this is t he skill where fighter get his damage from, but they nerfed it so hard in PVP. in PVE its good, my suggestion was to increase the attack rating to Rage of Zecram, so that the first hit of this skill miss less. then you can use this skill, the skill miss less on first hit + burning damage 4 seconds. that would increase the DPS of fighter, then you can switch during the burning time to AC. But as it is now its a useless update, a nice skill but in terms of DPS its better just to spamm AC.

 

As i told u ... Fs has AC that can reach more than 8k, with 2 points of speed more than Bs. Much more critical (bs 29% and fs can reach 43% with sword +15% using AC chained with brutal swing and 43% + 28% with DT). Even if u use axe u will have much more critical using those skills. Much more HP than BS (2/2,1k againt 1,6k). 3 Skills that can kill using only one time: Destroyer (3 hits), Avenger Crash (2 hits) and Charge (1 hit). Bs, now, can only kill using a "one time" skill with Comit Fist (1 hit). Fs is superior in terms of Attack and inferior in terms of 2 handed weapon. Fs also can stun avoiding ALL attempts of use Comit Fist while BS has no resources to avoid AC/DT/Charge. This is the reason why u are seeing FS doing so Well in PVP. Cause it is a strong Class. Your critical with Axe and oredo force, lv 148 is the same as mine lv 150, with sapp force using x2 fists 142 +24 perf. If i use rampage, mobs push away from me. If use head crusher, its only one hit. If use pummel, i hit 5k max 6k critical even with x2 fists 142 +24. Also Bs can't use shield, has no debuffs, speed 7, lowest critical of all melees. If u think BS is so much better than FS lets trade... We can try to find a deal with some items and i play FS and u go for BS. My topic for trade is here, send me PM: 

 

 

 

 

 

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

1 minute ago, driger said:

Well, if you can tank more, you can do more dmg, because u dont need to pot quickly.

BTW FS DPS>BS DPS

 

It's kind of funny that there are only 5-6 BS playing currently. All agree that the class is bad at PVE. But the guy who plays FS (And doesn't even know how to play with his own class, with bad items), knows more than other players who play with BS.

Before saying something about the class, why not try playing with her?^^

When you play BS, maybe someone will listen to you, otherwise you will be ignored.

PS: I know you're lying about FS, because I have FS 154 FULL, and I know the potential of the class^^

I've been playing FS for 2 years. I've done several tests on all, the FS DPS is much higher than the BS.

 

that is my damage in lvl 148 with 138+24 axe. i made a video and uploaded it. my items are good i am full expect draxos boots. but draxos boots have nothing to do with damage, it adds Evade.

you dont understand anything. we are not talking about DPS, we are talking about damage. a fighter with Avenging Crash (AC) cant get the damage a Brawler make with the skill he show us in the video. about DPS i said i dont know, i never tested the DPS between BS and FS. the damage per hit in BRAWLER is higher. why you need to lie here? just check the videos.