Pray For Brawlers using Octagon + Rampage on PVE

[MoCuishle 64]

3 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

btw, i am the fighter who was pvping you in BC yesterday who lost 1000 time to get only 1 kill. i was not able to kill your BS with full buff and maximum damage. destroyer is too weak now, even 2 hits wasn't enough, your damage reduction with your high HP make it too hard. but you kill my FS easy, your damage is very high.

LOL u are that Duko? U play like a crazy monkey bro hahaha. And u have to agree that i have better items than u ... U dont expect to win if my BS has set boss 3, fists 142 +24, and 2 lvs more right? Cause i lost all x1 that i made aginst FS 156 too... It depends much more on LV/Items than classe itself. 

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

10 minutes ago, MoCuishle said:

LOL u are that Duko? U play like a crazy monkey bro hahaha. And u have to agree that i have better items than u ... U dont expect to win if my BS has set boss 3, fists 142 +24, and 2 lvs more right? Cause i lost all x1 that i made aginst FS 156 too... It depends much more on LV/Items than classe itself. 

 

i had a 153 Knight, good for PVE but totally **** in PVP. i logged in a 15x FS of my friend before update, and it was amazing. then i changed class. i was happy to get rid of my KS, totally **** class after the nerf. now after update i tested my FS and one FS of a Friend too, he is full....with set boss 3 and so on. 15x FS good geared. and after update FS is much much weaker then before. thats fact. it doesnt have anything to do with monkey, i just wanted to test the power after the update. and destroyer in full buff cant kill you. my items are very good, i am full. have also 142 axe everything acpect draxos boots. my shield and 142 axe are just very low aged, need so much gold to age them, so thats the problem but thats another thing. fact is brawler does more DAMAGE PER HIT then a FS. that is fact. in DPS i dont know i never said brawler have higher DPS then FS. i dont know it never tested it.

6 minutes ago, driger said:

lol, damage per hit doesn't matter. What matters is the DPS in this game. If you only consider the hit damage, the FS hits 15k using the raving skill when crits

Again, I've already tested it, and The FS DPS>BS DPS.

as far as I know, DPS=DAMAGE PER SECOND=DAMAGE.

 

then open a own topic and talk about the DPS. no one was talking about the DPS here. if you check our discussion its all about the damage. raving is a **** skill, we tested it already. you can play solo while using raving? show us a video   will see how much you miss, how much you die and how much critical you get.

FS in PVE can deal more Damage then a Brawler only with Destroye (have cooldown) But not with his main skill AC. In PVP a FS was never able to deal more damage then a brawler, never. in PVP DPS is useless, its all about damage per Hit.

Edited July 13, 2021 by DeadlyWarrior

[MoCuishle 64]

13 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

i had a 153 Knight, good for PVE but totally **** in PVP. i logged in a 15x FS of my friend before update, and it was amazing. then i changed class. i was happy to get rid of my KS, totally **** class after the nerf. now after update i tested my FS and one FS of a Friend too, he is full....with set boss 3 and so on. 15x FS good geared. and after update FS is much much weaker then before. thats fact. it doesnt have anything to do with monkey, i just wanted to test the power after the update. and destroyer in full buff cant kill you. my items are very good, i am full. have also 142 axe everything acpect draxos boots. my shield and 142 axe are just very low aged, need so much gold to age them, so thats the problem but thats another thing. fact is brawler does more DAMAGE PER HIT then a FS. that is fact. in DPS i dont know i never said brawler have higher DPS then FS. i dont know it never tested it.

Well ... if u age ur shield and axe 142 things will gonna change... Cause i got u MANY times 2 handed and thats why u died. If u play exposed, like u did, u have more chances to die. That other FS there, lv 156, killed me like 6 times. So how can we explain it? He was almost all the time using shield and 1h axe and switched smartly to use his best skills to kill... Brawler got a MONSTER nerf too. Neck wrecker used to be 120%, now 77%. Octagon used to deal 100% DMG now only 20%. Comit fist used to be 528% now 360%, Rampage from 97% to 91% and so on... 

 

 

Btw... imo FS is better than KS ... just saying ?

Edited July 13, 2021 by MoCuishle

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

Again:

i see his brawer do higher damage against the monsters then my FS in 2h weapon 138+24 axe. check the videos. that i what we was talking about. he thought a FS can do 10k damage with AC in SL. thats wrong. a brawler have higher damage per hit than a fighter,About Damage Per Second = if BS and FS you play 1 hour, in this 1 hour its possible that a fighter deal more total damage then a brawler. i never said Brawler have higher DPS, i wasn't talking about DPS. it might be true that a FS have higher DPS, i never tested it, show me the tests and let me see. but then we have to see also how many times FS and BS die, how often a FS and BS pot, since a FS pot much more then a BS. We have to make exact verified tests and not just talking non sense in forum to have right position.

a brawler can make with his charge skill even much more damage then a FS with destroyer. in PVP this 150 BS can deal more then 3k damage with his charge skill. with his kick skill he do more damage then destroyer in PVP, both do 3 hits.

4 minutes ago, MoCuishle said:

Well ... if u age ur shield and axe 142 things will gonna change... Cause i got u MANY times 2 handed and thats why u died. If u play exposed, like u did, u have more chances to die. That other FS there, lv 156, killed me like 6 times. So how can we explain it? He was almost all the time using shield and 1h axe and switched smartly to use his best skills to kill... Brawler got a MONSTER nerf too. Neck wrecker used to be 120%, now 77%. Octagon used to deal 100% DMG now only 20%. Comit fist used to be 528% now 360%, Rampage from 97% to 91% and so on... 

 

 

Btw... imo FS is better than KS ... just saying ?

 

it depends. KS is much more tanky, better for playing solo, sod and hunting. but for DPS and PVP a fighter is better. since update not sure if a FS is really much better then a Knight in pvp.... so probably would be better to have the 153 knight, he would be now close to lvl 154....now again back to 148

and a knight is definetly better then a FS in groupfights. a FS look bad in groupfights. but what was good: if he have support his finisher destroyer, when get a successfull hit, it was knocking out the enemy. now need to play like a knight, and what is a knight now? didnt tested it, maybe a priestess?

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

15 minutes ago, MoCuishle said:

Well ... if u age ur shield and axe 142 things will gonna change... Cause i got u MANY times 2 handed and thats why u died. If u play exposed, like u did, u have more chances to die. That other FS there, lv 156, killed me like 6 times. So how can we explain it? He was almost all the time using shield and 1h axe and switched smartly to use his best skills to kill... Brawler got a MONSTER nerf too. Neck wrecker used to be 120%, now 77%. Octagon used to deal 100% DMG now only 20%. Comit fist used to be 528% now 360%, Rampage from 97% to 91% and so on... 

 

 

Btw... imo FS is better than KS ... just saying ?

 

Edit: this FS lvl 156 is full and was using full buffs with sapp force. you are lvl 150 and was only using a priestess as buffer. and he still had problems to kill you, and he even died against you. so where the balance? you shouldn't have any chance against him, since he is 6 levels higher then you with full buffs...

Edited July 13, 2021 by DeadlyWarrior

[MoCuishle 64]

4 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

a brawler can make with his charge skill even much more damage then a FS with destroyer. in PVP this 150 BS can deal more then 3k damage with his charge skill. with his kick skill he do more damage then destroyer in PVP, both do 3 hits.

Negative... Neck Wrecker was nerfed... Can't do it all. Neck wrecker = x3 77% and Destroyer = x3 115% (+28% critical)

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

4 minutes ago, driger said:

Okay, I get your point.
Well, if you have PRS + MGS for BUFF, you can reach 10k+DMG(When crit). If not, you can hit 8-8.5k(When crit)

BS can hit 8-8.5k too(When crit)

But as I told you before, it doesn't matter that much, it's the DPS, you know?

 

maybe your right that FS have better DPS in PVE then BS. i dont know. but you got the point that we were talking about the damage per hit and that we showed some videos here...

Edited July 13, 2021 by DeadlyWarrior

[MoCuishle 64]

3 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

Edit: this FS lvl 156 is full and was using full buffs with sapp force. you are lvl 150 and was only using a priestess as buffer. and he still had problems to kill you, and he even died against you. so where the balance? you shouldn't have any chance against him, since he is 6 levels higher then you with full buffs...

Stop to complain bro or i will punch Duko till he looks like an Archer hahaha ?

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

2 minutes ago, MoCuishle said:

Negative... Neck Wrecker was nerfed... Can't do it all. Neck wrecker = x3 77% and Destroyer = x3 115% (+28% critical)

i am waiting for free aging to age my 142 axe and shield. then we will pvp again. hope that my fighter can rape your BS then. haha but i dont think so, seems that the nerf in FS was too big

[MoCuishle 64]

1 minute ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

i am waiting for free aging to age my 142 axe and shield. then we will pvp again. hope that my fighter can rape your BS then. haha but i dont think so, seems that the nerf in FS was too big

In brawler too... If ur best PVP skill (DT) was nerfed from 160% to 115% (-45%), Brawler best PVP skill (Neck Wrecker) was nerfed from 120% to 77% (-43%). 

If AC was nerfed from 105% to 95% (-10%), Octagon was nerfed from 100% to 20% (-80% lol).

If charge got a small nerf, Comit fist was nerfed from 528% to 360% (-168%). 

And so on... Our nerf was worse than yours  =S

 

And Brawler still a shi... on PVE (worst class)

 

 

*If u age all ur items and we use same buffs it will be a hard match. 

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

22 minutes ago, MoCuishle said:

In brawler too... If ur best PVP skill (DT) was nerfed from 160% to 115% (-45%), Brawler best PVP skill (Neck Wrecker) was nerfed from 120% to 77% (-43%). 

If AC was nerfed from 105% to 95% (-10%), Octagon was nerfed from 100% to 20% (-80% lol).

If charge got a small nerf, Comit fist was nerfed from 528% to 360% (-168%). 

And so on... Our nerf was worse than yours  =S

 

And Brawler still a shi... on PVE (worst class)

 

 

*If u age all ur items and we use same buffs it will be a hard match. 

 

Brawler dont need octagon to kill. with octagon die easy.

comet fist still do 3000k+ damage....

 

neck wrecker the 3 kicks? 

Edited July 13, 2021 by DeadlyWarrior

[MoCuishle 64]

8 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

Brawler dont need octagon to kill. with octagon die easy.

comet fist still do 3000k+ damage....

 

neck wrecker the 3 kicks? 

Yes neck wrecker = 3 kicks

 

This is the skill that she jumps and hit 3 fast kicks in the air against oponents head. 

 

And Brawler can  kill without octagon, but octagon was a resource to kill without be so dependent. Since they nerf Neck Wrecker, this skill can't kill anymore (too low DMG, only 77%). Now they nerfed Octagon (from 100% to 20%), and u can't kill anymore pushing against the wall (it deals 2xx DMG now on pvp). Rampage was nerfed, has delay and it was a skill used to work with octagon, also has a slow animation with speed 7. basicaly now Brawlers depend on Head Crsuher (1 hit skill with 175%) or a lucky punch with comit fist, that is almost impossible against classes like k9 (high defense and block, also can stun) , mechs (high defense and block), shamam (high defense + inertia) , priest (high defense + holly mind + ice), Mages (high defense + ice + distortion), Fs if he know how to use roar (will never get a comit punch), and PS (if he uses dodge will never get it too), archer (stun), Ata (stun), Ass (stun).  Since comit need to charge, ur enemy has the time to react while u are charging. The only trully efecient skill to kill now is that ugly simple kick that u need 2 consecutives critical to kill. But... Ofc comit fist if charged, and ur enemy allows u to use it, and if it drill his defense, can deal 3k dmg critical like u said. 

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

 

23 minutes ago, MoCuishle said:

Yes neck wrecker = 3 kicks

 

This is the skill that she jumps and hit 3 fast kicks in the air against oponents head. 

 

And Brawler can  kill without octagon, but octagon was a resource to kill without be so dependent. Since they nerf Neck Wrecker, this skill can't kill anymore (too low DMG, only 77%). Now they nerfed Octagon (from 100% to 20%), and u can't kill anymore pushing against the wall (it deals 2xx DMG now on pvp). Rampage was nerfed, has delay and it was a skill used to work with octagon, also has a slow animation with speed 7. basicaly now Brawlers depend on Head Crsuher (1 hit skill with 175%) or a lucky punch with comit fist, that is almost impossible against classes like k9 (high defense and block, also can stun) , mechs (high defense and block), shamam (high defense + inertia) , priest (high defense + holly mind + ice), Mages (high defense + ice + distortion), Fs if he know how to use roar (will never get a comit punch), and PS (if he uses dodge will never get it too), archer (stun), Ata (stun), Ass (stun).  Since comit need to charge, ur enemy has the time to react while u are charging. The only trully efecient skill to kill now is that ugly simple kick that u need 2 consecutives critical to kill. But... Ofc comit fist if charged, and ur enemy allows u to use it, and if it drill his defense, can deal 3k dmg critical like u said. 

how much HP does your brawler have with VL? i guess 2100 HP?

Edited July 13, 2021 by DeadlyWarrior

[MoCuishle 64]

2 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

how much HP does your brawler have with VL? i guess 2100 HP?

Yes near 2k cause she has 1,6k using 53 health points + set boss dnt +Earrings +3 +  amulet 94 hp + boots and gaunt mix hp (brc dextery). It is the standard of almost all melee classes atm. Only FS can reach those 2k+ without VL. 

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

5 minutes ago, MoCuishle said:

Yes near 2k cause she has 1,6k using 53 health points + set boss dnt +Earrings +3 +  amulet 94 hp + boots and gaunt mix hp (brc dextery). It is the standard of almost all melee classes atm. Only FS can reach those 2k+ without VL. 

 

2.4k HP with VL i have. your brawler have 25% damage reduction. need 2 critical hits in destroyer to kill your brawler. not easy since destroyer doesnt add attack rrating... miss alot. with 2 critical hits of AC the damage is probably not enough to kill your brawler. not sure about it. if its possible then AC is better then Destroyer...it add attack rating. 

[MoCuishle 64]

1 minute ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

2.4k HP with VL i have. your brawler have 25% damage reduction. need 2 critical hits in destroyer to kill your brawler. not easy since destroyer doesnt add attack rrating... miss alot. with 2 critical hits of AC the damage is probably not enough to kill your brawler. not sure about it. if its possible then AC is better then Destroyer...it add attack rating. 

2 criticals from AC also can kill a Brawler. The dmg reduction is good, but on another hand, this reductions existis cause Brawlers can't use shield, can't use 1h weapon, have the lowest critical of all melees, lowest speed (7), no debuff skills (can't stun, ice, poison, reduce dmg, or anything else). And to kill BS AC is better than DT cause of ATR and also the brutal swing critical is good too. Imo u should change ur Axe to Sword... Sword > Axe in PVP. Brawlers has low Def (no buff for def) no its not so hard to drill her defense. Thats another reason why BS has this DMG reduction, otherwise she would be for sure the worst class ever made on this game. Ass has some things similar, and she can debuff, vanish, stun, move fast and reach 57% evade with draxos. While i give one kick against an Ass, she is able to give me 3 hits of finish blow, and she need, most times only 2 to kill me, cause she also have a lot of critical. To play against Ass, ineed to abuse the belt, pot a lot, and trigger retaliation to add speed + critical to kill her with 2 kicks. Almost never comit Fist will work.. She is to fast to "let it happen" or i die charging or she interrupt my charge with a stun. =p

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

2 minutes ago, MoCuishle said:

2 criticals from AC also can kill a Brawler. The dmg reduction is good, but on another hand, this reductions existis cause Brawlers can't use shield, can't use 1h weapon, have the lowest critical of all melees, lowest speed (7), no debuff skills (can't stun, ice, poison, reduce dmg, or anything else). And to kill BS AC is better than DT cause of ATR and also the brutal swing critical is good too. Imo u should change ur Axe to Sword... Sword > Axe in PVP. Brawlers has low Def (no buff for def) no its not so hard to drill her defense. Thats another reason why BS has this DMG reduction, otherwise she would be for sure the worst class ever made on this game. Ass has some things similar, and she can debuff, vanish, stun, move fast and reach 57% evade with draxos. While i give one kick against an Ass, she is able to give me 3 hits of finish blow, and she need, most times only 2 to kill me, cause she also have a lot of critical. To play against Ass, ineed to abuse the belt, pot a lot, and trigger retaliation to add speed + critical to kill her with 2 kicks. Almost never comit Fist will work.. She is to fast to "let it happen" or i die charging or she interrupt my charge with a stun. =p

 

ASS is probably the strongest class for PVP. what is the idea of destroyer now? for what is it good? 

sword is strong, have high critical. but i like axe on FS ?

[vinixD 383]

18 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

2.4k HP with VL i have. your brawler have 25% damage reduction. need 2 critical hits in destroyer to kill your brawler. not easy since destroyer doesnt add attack rrating... miss alot. with 2 critical hits of AC the damage is probably not enough to kill your brawler. not sure about it. if its possible then AC is better then Destroyer...it add attack rating. 

Brawler has damage reduction and block but lacks of every other defensive stat such as abs or even defense rate.

To tank with brawler it demand player to use Force Belt+Countershock instead of just wait and be lucky, and she is only good in tanking 1 enemy per time. Hope ppl realize soon that brawler is good to tank bosses in Lum cave with those two skills.

Edited July 13, 2021 by vinixD

[MoCuishle 64]

11 minutes ago, vinixD said:

Brawler has damage reduction and block but lacks of every other defensive stat such as abs or even defense rate.

To tank with brawler it demand player to use Force Belt+Countershock instead of just wait and be lucky, and she is only good in tanking 1 enemy per time. Hope ppl realize soon that brawler is good to tank bosses in Lum cave with those two skills.

Yes...

 

Wanna pray for Brawler with me friend? I'm thinking about creating a group of brawlers to pray. We can call it "The Octagon Church (TOC)", we can accept any religion. ?

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

24 minutes ago, vinixD said:

Brawler has damage reduction and block but lacks of every other defensive stat such as abs or even defense rate.

To tank with brawler it demand player to use Force Belt+Countershock instead of just wait and be lucky, and she is only good in tanking 1 enemy per time. Hope ppl realize soon that brawler is good to tank bosses in Lum cave with those two skills.

 

lol try fighter....minimum in defense side....so normaly it should have the highest power....

Edited July 13, 2021 by DeadlyWarrior

[MoCuishle 64]

1 minute ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

lol try fighter....minimum in defense side....so normaly it should have the highest power....

Archer too ... but they nerfed PH shot again .. i think it is the third time. And imo is unfair. Archer should not be nerfed. 

[mexicano 2]

6 hours ago, MoCuishle said:

Yes...

 

Wanna pray for Brawler with me friend? I'm thinking about creating a group of brawlers to pray. We can call it "The Octagon Church (TOC)", we can accept any religion. ?

Put me on this group, Oia-o-Tapa here.