Wartale Pay2WIN ? (PRICES)

[=) 66]

Centlon Bracelet  = 150kc

Draxos  Boots= 26~30kc

Tulla  RC= 10kc any fragment  =30kc +3kc npc = 33kc 

Greedy RC=  21~25kc

Draxos RC = 26-30kc

Centlon RC = maybe 50kc (idk)

Armor 144 +24 drop = 30kc

Shield 144 +24 drop = 30kc

Weapon drop 142+24= 13~25kc (if u are a priest or mg)

New Amulet 142 = 6~8kc

Pentagonal Topaz = 8kc

Pentagonal Tuby = 10kc

Pentagonal Amethyst  = 4~5kc

Pentagonal Aquamarine = 4-6kc

 

Suggestion: Increase drop rate of everything

 

Open topic for discussion

 

@Senpai @Wartale @Overlady

Edited October 13, 2021 by =)

[Lyseria 1,832]

Supply and demand, that explains all.

 

If drops are increased, the supply will be high and slowly the demand will vanish, then we'll trashtalk about nothing to do in game again.

 

Grab a pickaxe and explore the maps, soon you'll reach your pentagonal shard ?, same goes for relics and items.

[=) 66]

8 minutes ago, Lyseria said:

Supply and demand, that explains all.

 

If drops are increased, the supply will be high and slowly the demand will vanish, then we'll trashtalk about nothing to do in game again.

 

Grab a pickaxe and explore the maps, soon you'll reach your pentagonal shard ?, same goes for relics and items.

 

 

the problem is not gem, look at draxos and centlon bracelet and relic

Edited October 13, 2021 by =)

[gutopikeman 12]

Everyone knows that, and dont forget about your tank, and the equips from both chars, all my friends who still play this game  would even like to play wartale but they know it's a server for rich people.

[=) 66]

6 minutes ago, gutopikeman said:

Everyone knows that, and dont forget about your tank, and the equips from both chars, all my friends who still play this game  would even like to play wartale but they know it's a server for rich people.

 

in the past the most expensive item was draxos = 15kc

armor/shield/weapon = 10kc each (dnt +22)

these prices seemed to me + fair

[ChainLancer 102]

1 hour ago, ? said:

 

in the past the most expensive item was draxos = 15kc

armor/shield/weapon = 10kc each (dnt +22)

these prices seemed to me + fair

Before Draxos price = 15kc (even i have bought one for 11kc), it was more than 30kc from the beginning.

 

More players, more demand=> shortage of items and price went up. Later, if players leave ( i see they are leaving after the gorvenments have controlled Covid-19), the price will go down again.

 

The relic is new system which just started for some months, you can not require it a lot.

 

MMORPG is pay2win game? Sure, it have to. Top players donate a lot and winning is their reward, nothing to discuss.

 

P/S. However, in game, many things to do to become stronger. You can be an exp servicer,  trader, miner, Boss hunter, Dunegon/L cave hunter... to equip better items.

 

I see many persons earn more than 500kc from the beginning of this game (even someone has touched 1000kc).

 

So, try harder you will achieve your target.

 

Edited October 13, 2021 by ChainLancer
Edit gramma

[Support 4,560]

1 hour ago, ? said:

Suggestion: Increase drop rate of everything

 

I don't think there is anything to discuss about. Drops are mean to be low and hard to get which keep people active and hunt for it. This make the item are valueable.

If we just increase the drop rate to make everyone get it or to make the price drop then what after few month everyone will full with items and asking for new release? We migh as well just install our own service and get gear up everything to the max right?

 

Pay2Win? Interesting topic that I can see on every game. Unfortunately it is a reality that we are living in both in game and real life. We can't stop people from spending on what they want.

 

There are many types of gamers but we can all sum up into 2 main one:

- One who like to spend a lot to be better,

- and the other who like to spent a lot of time to get what they want without spending.

 

If you are someone in the middle (casual gamer) you have to face the reality that nothing come easy unless you are one of the lucky person.

[=) 66]

36 minutes ago, Support said:

 

I don't think there is anything to discuss about. Drops are mean to be low and hard to get which keep people active and hunt for it. This make the item are valueable.

If we just increase the drop rate to make everyone get it or to make the price drop then what after few month everyone will full with items and asking for new release? We migh as well just install our own service and get gear up everything to the max right?

 

Pay2Win? Interesting topic that I can see on every game. Unfortunately it is a reality that we are living in both in game and real life. We can't stop people from spending on what they want.

 

There are many types of gamers but we can all sum up into 2 main one:

- One who like to spend a lot to be better,

- and the other who like to spent a lot of time to get what they want without spending.

 

If you are someone in the middle (casual gamer) you have to face the reality that nothing come easy unless you are one of the lucky person.

 

 

I like pvp better, but I don't have much money or time to play.

However disheartening to see items with extreme advantage like centlon bracelet that costs 150kc or more...

This could be improved I think.... Nobody is asking for it to be an easy game, but it should be a little more accessible.

For Europeans 1kc = 10 euros

Draxos for Europeans = 30kcx10 euros = 300 euros

For Brazilians players 1kc = 60/65 reais

30 kc = 30x60 = 1800.00 reais

 

we know the reality of the capitalist world is this,

but my criticism is that the game was already much more accessible than now.

2 years ago you spent 100kc~120 maximum on 1 good character

Now between 400/500kc =)

 

 

Edited October 13, 2021 by =)

[CMPunk 73]

17 minutes ago, Support said:

 

I don't think there is anything to discuss about. Drops are mean to be low and hard to get which keep people active and hunt for it. This make the item are valueable.

If we just increase the drop rate to make everyone get it or to make the price drop then what after few month everyone will full with items and asking for new release? We migh as well just install our own service and get gear up everything to the max right?

 

Pay2Win? Interesting topic that I can see on every game. Unfortunately it is a reality that we are living in both in game and real life. We can't stop people from spending on what they want.

 

There are many types of gamers but we can all sum up into 2 main one:

- One who like to spend a lot to be better,

- and the other who like to spent a lot of time to get what they want without spending.

 

If you are someone in the middle (casual gamer) you have to face the reality that nothing come easy unless you are one of the lucky person.

hello, one doubt the 142/144 items have already been there for a long time, when will they be put in the coin shop? there are already many people with 142/144+24 items.

[=) 66]

5 minutes ago, CMPunk said:

hello, one doubt the 142/144 items have already been there for a long time, when will they be put in the coin shop? there are already many people with 142/144+24 items.

 

it's been 2/3 years and no dnt/swap in the coin shop ..

[CMPunk 73]

Just now, ? said:

 

it's been 2/3 years and no dnt/swap in the coin shop ..

Exactly, it has been a long time and there are already many people who have the items 144+24 and some who want to buy, people exaggerate with the prices and ask 35kc for an armor 144 and the robe is worth 18kc, the market is already very unbalanced. 

[Maicaoteixeira1 4]

you are charging for items and such... but where is a map to level up cuz go to a dg with a key costing 90kk. asking for change was better than saying that the game is p2w

[Support 4,560]

1 hour ago, ? said:

For Europeans 1kc = 10 euros

Draxos for Europeans = 30kcx10 euros = 300 euros

For Brazilians players 1kc = 60/65 reais

30 kc = 30x60 = 1800.00 reais

There is no point to bring $$$ value in the discussion.

This item is 1 of the top in server so ofc anyone who want to be the 1st one to have it will have to accept to pay top price for the seller.

Many people just enjoy the game with what they have but if you want to something or having something faster than other then I guess that is the reason why seller keep bump up the price.

We cannot fix it by making it drop more. 

 

1 hour ago, ? said:

2 years ago you spent 100kc~120 maximum on 1 good character

Now between 400/500kc =)

Another invalid argument. What is the definition of good character?

2 years ago level 150 or something can be considered as good character.

Now aday it is 160 or even 170. You are good at bring up the price in comperison but leave out all the imporant parts:

- The level gap between 2 years ago and now are massive. At some level, 1 level can be as same training from 1 to 160.

- The items

- And more much.

 

1 hour ago, CMPunk said:

hello, one doubt the 142/144 items have already been there for a long time, when will they be put in the coin shop? there are already many people with 142/144+24 items.

We are not in the rush to put intem in coin shop to make the game more fair to none spenders. Once the time is right they will be there.

[Tyr 43]

3 hours ago, ? said:

Centlon Bracelet  = 150kc

Draxos  Boots= 26~30kc

Tulla  RC= 10kc any fragment  =30kc +3kc npc = 33kc 

Greedy RC=  21~25kc

Draxos RC = 26-30kc

Centlon RC = maybe 50kc (idk)

Armor 144 +24 drop = 30kc

Shield 144 +24 drop = 30kc

Weapon drop 142+24= 13~25kc (if u are a priest or mg)

New Amulet 142 = 6~8kc

Pentagonal Topaz = 8kc

Pentagonal Tuby = 10kc

Pentagonal Amethyst  = 4~5kc

Pentagonal Aquamarine = 4-6kc

 

Suggestion: Increase drop rate of everything

 

Open topic for discussion

 

@Senpai @Wartale @Overlady

I for sure understand the point that you are making, but you are going to the perspective that you need/want all that and are going to buy all of that with cash. Thats the easy(but also expensive) way, all that you pointed out drops in game/you can craft. If you want the easy way go there and spend all that, but you can farm all that. And another thing, you are looking only from the buyer perspective, you can drop one of these and get rich too. Everything has a good side and a bad side.

6 minutes ago, vBerbes said:

Well i dont say the game is p2w but you staff make it look like it is lol...

 

About the hunting for items there are ppl that have been in SS for 1-2 years everyday (ofc not 365 days a year but atleast 85%+ of it) and never got any good drop so yeah for those ppl the game feels like p2w and that they have to buy coins to upgrade their gear 

 

 

PS: just FYI alot of ppl stop playing because of this feeling

Tbh that's not a fair point, because the players that had spent money have the same reason to stop and they didn't ... because the drop is equal to everybody.

[Tyr 43]

1 minute ago, vBerbes said:

I dont say its a fair point but it is the reality that players see all i want here is that the staff consider looking at some points that were mention in this topic before a good and fun game for all ages will fall

All the itens that were quoted are (as far as i know) only droped/crafted in the game, you cant buy them in the coin shop and anyone can try to get it without needing cash for that. If that is not fair i dont know what it is...

[vhnh167 285]

I don't think controlling the supply (increasing drop rates) is the answer. Here's what would happen if prices suddenly dropped: 

- Rich players would feel betrayed (they paid 150kc for a centlon braclets last month, now it's two-third or half the value) -> they stop playing. Rich players leaving also means their pilots are unemployed.

- Hunters/miners would feel discouraged because their efforts are worth much less -> they stop hunting.

- We as casual players (yes, count me in) would be happy as first because we got all the items we wanted, but quickly felt bored and lost the cause to go online everyday. 

 

As a result, the server would become deserted. Then, either the staff would throw in many more new items to incentivize players again (which would make inequality even worse) or the server is over.  Trust me, I've seen a few servers die because they couldn't control the market. To be honest, governments in real life struggle to combat inequality as it's not a black and white problem. Solutions could be applying a lot of regulations on the market (like anti-monopoly policy) but I think it is too much for a Wartale server. So, my advice for you is to find a life outside of gaming and treat this game as a casual, fun activity, not a source of stress. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 13, 2021 by vhnh167

[wanki 54]

There is not much to do about the prices, for staff to do anything about it.
Yes they could increased the drop rate and so on, but ít would remove to edge for some players that likes the hunt for those high
value items, that also gives high benefits. Or increase exp to a stupid lvl to get high level chars, but other servers did that and never lived for long.

Aswell with demand/resouces comes increaseing prices that is true.
but as much as its the sellers choice to set a price. It's also the buyers choice to buy it.

and its no secret that there is RMT happening aswell behind the scenes where some makes a better paycheck that they would normally working
since the world aint a fair place to live in.

This also factors into consideration when there is something like Donation currency, Or even if its just a online game, for the prices of items/currency/service

it's more or less the community choice if they wanna pay the high prices or not.
Or grind em them self. 
Since there will allways be a pay to win option in any game if its a pilot service to items, 3rd party software and so on.
 

So only thing I could really say is. Either live with it and not care about what others use thier money on and enjoy the game the way you want
Or be annoyed and keep posting about it and not pay the given prices untill they fall to your likeing

else find something other to spend your time with. ( buy a nintendo switch instead of draxos boots exsample ? )

some might disagree with my opinion and thats fine. but reality is thats how the current world is.

[ChainLancer 102]

3 hours ago, ? said:

 

 

I like pvp better, but I don't have much money or time to play.

However disheartening to see items with extreme advantage like centlon bracelet that costs 150kc or more...

This could be improved I think.... Nobody is asking for it to be an easy game, but it should be a little more accessible.

For Europeans 1kc = 10 euros

Draxos for Europeans = 30kcx10 euros = 300 euros

For Brazilians players 1kc = 60/65 reais

30 kc = 30x60 = 1800.00 reais

 

we know the reality of the capitalist world is this,

but my criticism is that the game was already much more accessible than now.

2 years ago you spent 100kc~120 maximum on 1 good character

Now between 400/500kc =)

 

 

 

lol, you want to live in big city but you said that you have no money or time to earn money.

 

Now, what you face are not hard item drop but are a lots of competitors for trading acc, items => You need to spend more time in game to find your luck.

 

Wartale create new items, new system and many things new to make server become best. I think they need to be paid.

 

Who pay? The top server and they pay to be the best player of the best server.

 

It's fair for all. 

[P0C0Y0 130]

you forgot to mention prices for pilots ? ? ? 

[redsky272 731]

-1

In my opinion, Pay to win is very common in game and life also. That makes people work hard to get what they want. 

 

Imagine you work very hard like 20 hour/day then you receive the same reward with the one (that the same level, your coworker) work 1 hour/day, it's unfair, isn't it, therefore  you have to accept that there are top players who significant stronger than the rest. 

However, Wartale gives the chance to everybody, for example, if you don't want to spend $$$ to pay for Gem, you can spend time to get it....

 

Moreover, the prices of those Luxury items are base on Demand - supply law. I like the Drop rate of this server, Keep the value of the items not to go down very fast and the players won't get bored of the game easily. And when you get 1 rare item, it's worth your $$$/effort. 

 

5 hours ago, vBerbes said:

Well i dont say the game is p2w but you staff make it look like it is lol...

 

About the hunting for items there are ppl that have been in SS for 1-2 years everyday (ofc not 365 days a year but atleast 85%+ of it) and never got any good drop so yeah for those ppl the game feels like p2w and that they have to buy coins to upgrade their gear 

 

 

PS: just FYI alot of ppl stop playing because of this feeling

 

EDIT: im not here to fight or argue with any1 but the staff can atleast take more time to speak to their community about their next plans or ideas this wont hurt any1 and see the feedback from the players

My friend got 144 armor from ss a week ago. 1 got 144 rob and so on.. Maybe you are just unlucky...like me   be positive Dude. Game is really good here, no need to change the drop rate and item system. 

[ductung1310 12]

4 hours ago, vhnh167 said:

I don't think controlling the supply (increasing drop rates) is the answer. Here's what would happen if prices suddenly dropped: 

- Rich players would feel betrayed (they paid 150kc for a centlon braclets last month, now it's two-third or half the value) -> they stop playing. Rich players leaving also means their pilots are unemployed.

- Hunters/miners would feel discouraged because their efforts are worth much less -> they stop hunting.

- We as casual players (yes, count me in) would be happy as first because we got all the items we wanted, but quickly felt bored and lost the cause to go online everyday. 

 

As a result, the server would become deserted. Then, either the staff would throw in many more new items to incentivize players again (which would make inequality even worse) or the server is over.  Trust me, I've seen a few servers die because they couldn't control the market. To be honest, governments in real life struggle to combat inequality as it's not a black and white problem. Solutions could be applying a lot of regulations on the market (like anti-monopoly policy) but I think it is too much for a Wartale server. So, my advice for you is to find a life outside of gaming and treat this game as a casual, fun activity, not a source of stress. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

+1. I agree with your point of view. Basically, it's a supply and demand. When everybody has it, nobody wants it.

Just now, ductung1310 said:

+1. I agree with your point of view. Basically, it's a supply and demand. and when everybody has it, nobody wants it.

 

Edited October 13, 2021 by ductung1310

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

On 10/13/2021 at 3:56 AM, ChainLancer said:

Before Draxos price = 15kc (even i have bought one for 11kc), it was more than 30kc from the beginning.

 

More players, more demand=> shortage of items and price went up. Later, if players leave ( i see they are leaving after the gorvenments have controlled Covid-19), the price will go down again.

 

The relic is new system which just started for some months, you can not require it a lot.

 

MMORPG is pay2win game? Sure, it have to. Top players donate a lot and winning is their reward, nothing to discuss.

 

P/S. However, in game, many things to do to become stronger. You can be an exp servicer,  trader, miner, Boss hunter, Dunegon/L cave hunter... to equip better items.

 

I see many persons earn more than 500kc from the beginning of this game (even someone has touched 1000kc).

 

So, try harder you will achieve your target.

 

 

?

Edited December 8, 2021 by DeadlyWarrior

[ChainLancer 102]

43 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

let market regulate the price. And dont believe everything people write in tradechannel. About centlon brace there is nothing you can do its a very rare and exclusive item that have strong parameters and therefore give an strong buff to your character - only few centlons in server. The drax boots is not like this, there are many draxos boots in server and the buff of the drax boots is not as strong as the centlon brace, but still good. The boots will not be cheap but i dont believe it will stay for long at that price. That are business players  who buy and resell, doing their business but even mathematically there is a point of maximum they cant break it and the price will go down to its healthy value. Just wait dont get nervious. 

The price of draxos is not depend on trader. Remember that there are many traders from begining and price went down sometimes.

 

If there is not demand, the price will not jump up from 11kc to 28kc now. (Now is BF time but price is not down).

 

 

 

[-Vodka- 688]

7 hours ago, Support said:

There is no point to bring $$$ value in the discussion.

This item is 1 of the top in server so ofc anyone who want to be the 1st one to have it will have to accept to pay top price for the seller.

Many people just enjoy the game with what they have but if you want to something or having something faster than other then I guess that is the reason why seller keep bump up the price.

We cannot fix it by making it drop more. 

 

Another invalid argument. What is the definition of good character?

2 years ago level 150 or something can be considered as good character.

Now aday it is 160 or even 170. You are good at bring up the price in comperison but leave out all the imporant parts:

- The level gap between 2 years ago and now are massive. At some level, 1 level can be as same training from 1 to 160.

- The items

- And more much.

 

We are not in the rush to put intem in coin shop to make the game more fair to none spenders. Once the time is right they will be there.

Would it be possible in the future to create some plan to balance the donation in the in-game coin shop? the amount is very disproportionate for people who do not receive in euros or dollars. For Brazilians the price of coins is really playe high, nothing compared to those who earn in euros, would it be possible to have a currency conversion system for other countries? Certainly the Brazilian donation rate would increase a lot within the game.

[Marvel 80]

@senpai
I like this type of thread because it allows players to talk to the war team (something very difficult to happen)
some adjustments that the server needs
1 - The PVP besides having only 1 pvp map (BC) is very bad because of the famous hit and run pvp flag.
2 - SS, it is impossible for a range to evolve its character without a tanker
3 - Dropping SS should be tough, but for a casual player like you said playing everyday 3-4 hours a day is really ridiculous the drop rate usually can't even pay what you need to evolve your character daily
4 - BOSS drop rate should really be tough, but when you enter BOSS you don't expect to lose only the BOSS exclusive item, add alternative payouts like XP pot, Gold, Quest BOSS, Rune has several options to add to the boss why no player is excited to participate in BOSS and drops crystal without being the boss or shelton puzzle that doesn't fall on the map but falls on the boss what's the logic of that?