Wartale Pay2WIN ? (PRICES)

[Coke+Coke=CC 19]

items / chars value are going down imagine if we can take it easy everything will be useless

 

i understand your feelings about drop rate bro its really low but like me i stay and kill thousands mobs in SS

 

more than 5months i got nothing while other players loot a lot then i realized its all about luck sometimes

 

138 weapons price are like 10kk+ only wand and bow have value but its still low how if we can take 142 / 144 and

 

others items easy this game will not be fun i suggest to play more hard make some strategy like joining in clan

 

and hunt together with them drop share are good than solo hunting this strategy will help you to get little coins

 

but fast and easy to buy the items you want when you are so unlucky like me i disagree to your suggestion bro

 

anyway GM christmas are coming  hope to loot 142 / 144 items in my spot CC joking 

 

enjoy wartale

 

-CC

Edited October 13, 2021 by Coke+Coke=CC

[Shorex 234]

I'm one of those casual gamers ingame, I play for few hours and spend when its needed and I'm totally happy about it. No stress just enjoying the game w/ friends ❤️

Anyways, in the end of the day No one really forced you to spend in this game.✌️?

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

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Edited December 8, 2021 by DeadlyWarrior

[DarkLink64 921]

It is not pay to win in regards of item, but rather on level.

Its impossible to compete who can pay exp slaves to exp 24/7.

Old games like this survives around "whale" players. Like, very few players who can spend thousands in a short span of a week. The game is designed around these whales.

But I'm not against it, it's the main income for the developers, and it's a way they legitimately found to earn money and keep the stuff going.

However I'm a PvP player and always found PvE to be utterly boering, repetitive, to the point simple autofire bots could automatize almost 100% of the pve content of the game. Even If I spend my whole week playing the PvE of the game, I'll be not able to catch the whales exping 24/7. It's a lost race from the word go, due to the nature of uncapped leveling and unfair advantages at every 4 levels of difference.

Wartale is over for me because PvP is over. I despise the lack of balance, even more the lack of balance in gears and specially on level - because it doesn't matter if I am the best player on the world, someone with big wallets will triumph over due to higher level. So I've stopped playing and put my focus on a game where my individual skill is what it takes to be a winner, not how many exp slaves my pocket can buy.

I mean - no matter how hard I try I can't be on a balanced state towards other players in PVP. There is no point anymore investing time on the game since PVP is my focus, and I'll face an unreachable wall of unbalanced PvP experience due to higher levels.

 

I could legitimately buy all new itens, but I would refuse to pay for a poor soul on very poor country, to be my exp slave. I mean - If I resort to a solution where others has to play on my account, something is wrong. But even if I did - I can't race anymore with others that are exp slaving for years. It's a lost fight no matter what you do. Whales always wins.



 

Edited October 20, 2021 by DarkLink64

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

On 10/20/2021 at 7:25 AM, DarkLink64 said:

It is not pay to win in regards of item, but rather on level.

Its impossible to compete who can pay exp slaves to exp 24/7.

Old games like this survives around "whale" players. Like, very few players who can spend thousands in a short span of a week. The game is designed around these whales.

But I'm not against it, it's the main income for the developers, and it's a way they legitimately found to earn money and keep the stuff going.

However I'm a PvP player and always found PvE to be utterly boering, repetitive, to the point simple autofire bots could automatize almost 100% of the pve content of the game. Even If I spend my whole week playing the PvE of the game, I'll be not able to catch the whales exping 24/7. It's a lost race from the word go, due to the nature of uncapped leveling and unfair advantages at every 4 levels of difference.

Wartale is over for me because PvP is over. I despise the lack of balance, even more the lack of balance in gears and specially on level - because it doesn't matter if I am the best player on the world, someone with big wallets will triumph over due to higher level. So I've stopped playing and put my focus on a game where my individual skill is what it takes to be a winner, not how many exp slaves my pocket can buy.

I mean - no matter how hard I try I can't be on a balanced state towards other players in PVP. There is no point anymore investing time on the game since PVP is my focus, and I'll face an unreachable wall of unbalanced PvP experience due to higher levels.

 

I could legitimately buy all new itens, but I would refuse to pay for a poor soul on very poor country, to be my exp slave. I mean - If I resort to a solution where others has to play on my account, something is wrong. But even if I did - I can't race anymore with others that are exp slaving for years. It's a lost fight no matter what you do. Whales always wins.



 

 

In my opinion, this perspective reflects the game in a very limited, one-sided and extremely negative way.

Edited December 8, 2021 by DeadlyWarrior

[RaiseAgain 262]

15x char with max gear can kill any 17x char. 

 

Lvls is alwaya good  but Gear and skills play own lvls . 

 

In my opinion at laest . 

Edited October 23, 2021 by RaiseAgain

[DarkLink64 921]

3 hours ago, RaiseAgain said:

15x char with max gear can kill any 17x char. 

 

Lvls is alwaya good  but Gear and skills play own lvls . 

 

In my opinion at laest . 

Just because it can doesn't mean it's balanced. It would be balanced if both sides would have 50% - or close to it - of killing each other.

"Hey I killed a 17x char just based on pure luck, 2 consecutive critical hits with maximum damage roll while he was 2 handed. He killed me 10 times before, but that doesn't matter, you know, little details"

20 hours ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

 

I think you misread my feedback.

My perspective is not limited nor one-sided.
 

First, you're assuming I'm against such practices to the point they should be removed or fought against, but that isn't true. Like i've said, the game is designed around whales, and even if many things would be done against it, you can't fight back what the game is designed around. It's how they found a legitimate way to get profit, and there is no problem on it. 

No one is talking about communism. My feedback is just around PvP and how it will never be on a balanced state. I never mentioned class balance - this indeed will never be balanced - but the playing field, this is what concerns me the most and I can't do nothing to even things, no matter how good I am, no matter how money I spend. The games i'm investing my time and money does offer an balanced playing field, that means my status are the very same of my opponents, regardless of level, items or whatever. Characters, skills is indeed not balanced, but the playing field is. It doesn't require me to spend years of boring PVE repetitive gameplay. Heck, it only requires PVE to unlock characters and their jobs.

If you're resorting to use "team spirit" to counter-argument, this just prove I am right. What if both sides has same numbers, same classes? Maybe if you bring your friends you can overcome the higher levels, but what if the higher levels brings their own team-mates?

I strive for competitiveness, because I am competitive. And being competitive myself, Wartale is no more a place to be, because even lots of my money can't buy me a competitive playing field. I can't have the same performance of a character that is being boosted and exp slaved for many years, all of it on top of poor souls of poor countries.

 

Edited October 23, 2021 by DarkLink64

[RaiseAgain 262]

14 minutes ago, DarkLink64 said:

Just because it can doesn't mean it's balanced. It would be balanced if both sides would have 50% - or close to it - of killing each other.

"Hey I killed a 17x char just based on pure luck, 2 consecutive critical hits with maximum damage roll while he was 2 handed. He killed me 10 times before, but that doesn't matter, you know, little details"

Well .. its not who kill more .. in the end .. its if you still can kill high lvl or not .. 

 

You cant really blame some1 if he want to spend money  or time . 

 

I just think that now there is many more things to do in game to gain exp / coins / gold  that can you reach lvl / items / etc . 

 

I allready play 40 days and i enjoy so far , cant say its perfect but i dont know game that is 100% perfect lol . 

[DarkLink64 921]

16 minutes ago, RaiseAgain said:

Well .. its not who kill more .. in the end .. its if you still can kill high lvl or not .. 

 

You cant really blame some1 if he want to spend money  or time . 

 

I just think that now there is many more things to do in game to gain exp / coins / gold  that can you reach lvl / items / etc . 

 

I allready play 40 days and i enjoy so far , cant say its perfect but i dont know game that is 100% perfect lol . 

Well if it's not about who kills more, so, what is your concept of a victory on this game? If you dies 10 times and you just kills 1 or 2 times, do you actually consider yourself a winner?


I'm not blaming anyone, I just said the game is permanently pay2win on PVP because level difference is Impossible to fight or pay against.

 

Spending a lot of money to get items to achieve top performance is actually normal, problem is buying years of exp slaving to achieve top performance.

I find rather troublesome - to keep competitive on PVP, the only way is paying poor souls on poor countries to level my character.

Since it's a problem I can't solve as a player, Wartale is not a place for me anymore. Back to games where PvP is the focus and to be strong there you need to actually be good - years of pvp practice - not years of mindless pve repetitive content and paying thousands of money to poor people.

Edited October 23, 2021 by DarkLink64

[RaiseAgain 262]

9 minutes ago, DarkLink64 said:

Well if it's not about who kill more, so, what is your concept of a victory on this game? If you dies 10 times and you just kills 1 or 2 times, do you actually consider yourself a winner?


I'm not blaming anyone, I just said the game is permanently pay2win on PVP because level difference is Impossible to fight or pay against.

 

Spending a lot of money to get items to achieve top performance is actually normal, problem is buying years of exp slaving to achieve top performance.

I find rather troublesome - to keep competitive on PVP, the only way is paying poor souls on poor countries to level my character.

Since it's a problem I can't solve as a player, Wartale is not a place for me anymore. Back to games where PvP is the focus and to be strong there you need to actually be good - years of pvp practice - not years of mindless pve repetitive content and paying thousands of money to poor people.

Well i agree on that ,  but about win.. if you pvp player abd your clan can win bc / sod ... thats meaning of win in wartale . 

 

About lvl ...  that simple .. admins  need to set up max lvl and never ever make it more then that . 

Edited October 23, 2021 by RaiseAgain

[DarkLink64 921]

On 10/12/2021 at 11:08 PM, Support said:

Pay2Win? Interesting topic that I can see on every game.

Not on every game. Since when money brings me a victory on a fighting game? In context of competitive online games, I don't recall any game where money buys your victory. All money can buy you is unlocking a character instantly, where you would actually unlock the character by actually playing pvp content for, at maximum, a week. Dota for example doesn't even require this one. All characters are unlocked from the get go.

[Mrzero 123]

Lol u compare to difference type of game ?

[Hulk 332]

seeing u comments makes me too lazy to keep reading this topic, please stop making stupid comparisons

[Mrzero 123]

9 hours ago, RaiseAgain said:

About lvl ...  that simple .. admins  need to set up max lvl and never ever make it more then that . 

good idea bro

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

On 10/23/2021 at 6:31 PM, RaiseAgain said:

15x char with max gear can kill any 17x char. 

 

Lvls is alwaya good  but Gear and skills play own lvls . 

 

In my opinion at laest . 

 

it depends. with high attack rating class like Ata/Archer it is possible 

Edited December 8, 2021 by DeadlyWarrior

[RaiseAgain 262]

I didnt say hes not right  . 

But i still think 155 char with good gear can kill any 170 char even if he got good gear too . 

 

In the end .. if they do 1x1 .. ofc  170 will win the most , but as some1 said  here before .. team play own  solo play  .. 

[kintaro2001 8]

price = 500KC =  5000€ 

[xkintaro 2,142]

3 hours ago, kintaro2001 said:

price = 500KC =  5000€ 

 

i liked your fake profile account ahahahah

[kintaro2001 8]

19 hours ago, xkintaro said:

 

i liked your fake profile account ahahahah

You are my idol dude. You helped me so much. So that i create this account with yr name for respect ? 

[LBirman 115]

On 10/13/2021 at 6:51 AM, Support said:

We are not in the rush to put intem in coin shop to make the game more fair to none spenders. Once the time is right they will be there.

To be honest, if you wanna be fair for "non spenders" or "low spenders", putting 142 144 items in the shop will make the price of "Drop" go down.

Right now, the price of 142 144 is "DNT-Like" because these items are more premium than premium items, which means it will always be very high, no matter how many items there are out there.

 

Putting them in the shop will both increase Wartale's Income and decrease the price of drop.

At the beginning, everyone will go and make it DNT, but after a while there will be a lot of Drop ones, same as 138 & 140 items.

[Megakiller 38]

i thin its p2w because it was drax 20k now 28+ i can never get drax but now gem and relic i probably will be hunting forever ghahah

[jordanx 71]

Honestly in the end, the Admin already phrased it the best way possible.

 

This will apply to the majority of the people, 

 

You spend money to buy the items you want.

 

or you spend a lot of time to get the items you want.

 

We all work.. so we have finite amount of money.  I wont have all the time to play this game after work, commute home, make dinner, house chores, and some (take care of the kids), and then get ready for the next day.  I don't have time to hunt and go walk around the map mining and harvesting, matter of fact I don't think there is even a proper guide to show me wtf I even use those materials for. Nor do I have time to camp at a boss spawning site, where  I have to compete with lvl 170's to kill 1 babel who spawns every 1 hour.

 

So therefore, If I feel my time is more valuable else where, and I make more money from work or the stock market.

Why the heck would I spend hundreds of hours trying to hunt for my perfect gears. 

I rather just buy it cause time is ALOT more valuable than money.

If you are a teenager, just have lots of time..on covid-19 government assistance and you just staying home playing games all day. Man what a waste of your life.. I feel sorry for you. Other wise just go make that money... and maybe 150kc is not really that bad after all. 

 

Cheers and good luck to everyone,

 

Jordan 

 

 

 

Edited December 11, 2021 by jordanx

[bellum12345 16]

9 hours ago, jordanx said:

Honestly in the end, the Admin already phrased it the best way possible.

 

This will apply to the majority of the people, 

 

You spend money to buy the items you want.

 

or you spend a lot of time to get the items you want.

 

We all work.. so we have finite amount of money.  I wont have all the time to play this game after work, commute home, make dinner, house chores, and some (take care of the kids), and then get ready for the next day.  I don't have time to hunt and go walk around the map mining and harvesting, matter of fact I don't think there is even a proper guide to show me wtf I even use those materials for. Nor do I have time to camp at a boss spawning site, where  I have to compete with lvl 170's to kill 1 babel who spawns every 1 hour.

 

So therefore, If I feel my time is more valuable else where, and I make more money from work or the stock market.

Why the heck would I spend hundreds of hours trying to hunt for my perfect gears. 

I rather just buy it cause time is ALOT more valuable than money.

If you are a teenager, just have lots of time..on covid-19 government assistance and you just staying home playing games all day. Man what a waste of your life.. I feel sorry for you. Other wise just go make that money... and maybe 150kc is not really that bad after all. 

 

Cheers and good luck to everyone,

 

Jordan 

 

 

 

yea, guess there are so many childish minds around discussing about fair/unfair.

I played PT around more than 10 years ago, trying so many servers and all arguments have been all the same: fair and unfair, it's ridiculous, and it haven't changed for decades.

Time or money or luck, that's it. If you've got none of them, you are not allowed to win someone that does.

 

Many ppl think that they are really "smart" and they have "superior" game skills like PvP, hunting,... so that they should win others. But for games like PT, those things are just nonsense as they make no real value, those kinds of skills and experience are not even worth a single cent.

 

I even think it's fair that, 2 players both lvl 170, one has spends hundreds of thousands of dollars on the server and the other- nothing but time; the guy throwing that much of money should be rewarded with 2 or 3 or even 5 lvl ahead the best free player.

 

Many of games have died just because they cannot attract pay-to-win players any longer. Most of games should be pay to win.

[DarkLink64 921]

6 hours ago, bellum12345 said:

 

You must live under a rock to have this kind of mindset, the mindset that are killing the mmorpg genre and even AAA, single player games. The really definition of being out of touch.

[moobie1988 1,234]

6 hours ago, bellum12345 said:

yea, guess there are so many childish minds around discussing about fair/unfair.

I played PT around more than 10 years ago, trying so many servers and all arguments have been all the same: fair and unfair, it's ridiculous, and it haven't changed for decades.

Time or money or luck, that's it. If you've got none of them, you are not allowed to win someone that does.

 

Many ppl think that they are really "smart" and they have "superior" game skills like PvP, hunting,... so that they should win others. But for games like PT, those things are just nonsense as they make no real value, those kinds of skills and experience are not even worth a single cent.

 

I even think it's fair that, 2 players both lvl 170, one has spends hundreds of thousands of dollars on the server and the other- nothing but time; the guy throwing that much of money should be rewarded with 2 or 3 or even 5 lvl ahead the best free player.

 

Many of games have died just because they cannot attract pay-to-win players any longer. Most of games should be pay to win.

 

Wow, this is something else. It doesnt matter if you spend or not. In the end all should be equal. This is the only game I played long because of its fairness. You can attain all equipment with good old fashion hardwork. If your too old but have the funds you can also spend to make up for lost time. I dont think just because your donating you should have a particular edge over others. The money alone is your edge already. Just stepback and think why you play the game. Is it to just spend or enjoy it. Because if its all about the money, you lost the gamer inside you.

Edited December 11, 2021 by moobie1988