Quick question about Attack Rating (RTG)

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

5 hours ago, HollyShot said:

Thats just stupid, you want me to buy 1 fs to proof i can make high score? Why dont you buy 1 archer 148 and play like keath? Of course you are too noob with garb items so you couldnt afford top items like her. But I want to see you playing archer and proof it's broken. Im sure you wont stay alive for more than 5 seconds. But it would be better, log some archer for your clan and lets see how it goes in 1 war. I playing in fs and you playing in AS, im sure i will have a better performance than u simple cuz i dont play like a potato. 
Archers can deal 2k dmg with halloween hat or crown (event/temporary item/SW buff), cuepy and low health. 

Yes, any good fs can hit over 2.3k (not your case), and I just asked 1 fs 158 to proof it.

2.5k in DT

And i also tested his dash

2.6k

Maybe if you had better items, better power ups, better game play (i think it's impossible for you btw) you would do the same. Explain that, im waiting.

Now talking about other servers if you want, in official BPT archer is way overpower in pvp there, they dont need to play pure and have high dmg/atk rating, just go at youtube and you will find many videos of archers raping everyone. I know you miss 2004 times when rangers were completly garb just needed touch them and they died, when pikes and fs were gods over all other classes, but guess what, priston changed and the classes were balanced. 

You said we have range advantage (lol rangers have range) but don't say we have counters (mounts + pikes/ass invisible), you say we have hp but don't say we must sacrifice over 150 points in health to reach 2k hp losing part of our dmg, you talk about our atk rating but ignore the boost rating of other classes like overlady explained, etc etc. In the end you just want yr class better to fix yr inferiority complex.

It's funny how everyone that goes PVP realize that what is broken right now is that aoe skill of brawler but you only talk about rangers (since most of the brawlers are in your clan right), looks so hard for you to die for rangers right? It must hurt yr ego crying for the girls, you feel you must touch them and they die hahaha.

 

 

 

Again nonsense trying to manipulate like a black magician. My FS is 157 with AXE 138+24 DNT and Atk-Sheltom 4-4 g Full buffed + Sol Force + pure Strength does arround 2k Damage with 2H Weapon in Destroyer. You know it better? Focus and read correctly i dont need to lie here like some other people who just want to protect something stupid. 

 

What do you want to proof with that screenshot? There is no proof at all, it doenst proof anything.

This FS is 158, using Siege War Buff and Hlw Hat. And i dont know if that kryon took off his defense items like Subgears ans Boss Set and so on to increase the damage of this Fighter. Do i know it? And why should i trust someone like you, who is trying like a black-magician to manipulate here? And why should i trust this test, where the magical Kryon is involved in? Man i play FS and have the high end Weapons both+24 and 2h is DNT. I cant get more damage when he is already full strength, base health. Even tried hell brave with 96 Agility to maximize damage and set boss 1 DNT and Set Boss 3 DNT, even 114  Brace bsol DNT. I tried many things, dont talk non sense, please. What i definetly know is that the damage of my FS 157, pure strength damage in 100% with full buff and sol force is not enough to Hitkill Kryon with Destroyer, even in the 2h Weapon. She has 2150-2200 HP. And her damage is insane, 2500+ with 1 hit (yes siege war buff+ hlw hat). Normally 2200 Damage and 2100+ HP. I must use stones for that. Only with Stones can kill her with Destroyer 1 Hit. 

 

Your proof failed. But i showed you the Ranking of Keath, last week lvl 146 and now 148, enough proof. On both level she got First and 2nd Place in Ranking with alot of Kills and a positive K-D-Ration. EVEN the AS of Deathstroke, who tested his AS today in BC, a lvl 149 Archer with set boss1, 134 set  and Bellum Force only!! killed alot of people, even 16x with top top items who spend alot of Coins in this server, alot really alooot coins trust me! And included my FS in a 1vs1 scenario, he killed it. He did it smart, yes, but with his offense parameters he can do it easily, can even have 144 Armor and Shield will not change anything. Doesnt mean that he is tanky with his 1k health, but this just shows that AS is overpowered. Now imagine an Archer that deal 2200+ Damage with that parameters and that have even 2200 HP?

 

You dont need to manipulate the community here with your nonsense. The challange is anyone who have a 146-149 Char FS, KS, MS etc. should go BC and try to get the score. I offered to delete my account if any one can do this with a 146-149 FS, KS, MS. 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, HollyShot said:

Thats just stupid, you want me to buy 1 fs to proof i can make high score? Why dont you buy 1 archer 148 and play like keath? Of course you are too noob with garb items so you couldnt afford top items like her. But I want to see you playing archer and proof it's broken. Im sure you wont stay alive for more than 5 seconds. But it would be better, log some archer for your clan and lets see how it goes in 1 war. I playing in fs and you playing in AS, im sure i will have a better performance than u simple cuz i dont play like a potato. 
Archers can deal 2k dmg with halloween hat or crown (event/temporary item/SW buff), cuepy and low health. 

Yes, any good fs can hit over 2.3k (not your case), and I just asked 1 fs 158 to proof it.

2.5k in DT

And i also tested his dash

2.6k

Maybe if you had better items, better power ups, better game play (i think it's impossible for you btw) you would do the same. Explain that, im waiting.

Now talking about other servers if you want, in official BPT archer is way overpower in pvp there, they dont need to play pure and have high dmg/atk rating, just go at youtube and you will find many videos of archers raping everyone. I know you miss 2004 times when rangers were completly garb just needed touch them and they died, when pikes and fs were gods over all other classes, but guess what, priston changed and the classes were balanced. 

You said we have range advantage (lol rangers have range) but don't say we have counters (mounts + pikes/ass invisible), you say we have hp but don't say we must sacrifice over 150 points in health to reach 2k hp losing part of our dmg, you talk about our atk rating but ignore the boost rating of other classes like overlady explained, etc etc. In the end you just want yr class better to fix yr inferiority complex.

It's funny how everyone that goes PVP realize that what is broken right now is that aoe skill of brawler but you only talk about rangers (since most of the brawlers are in your clan right), looks so hard for you to die for rangers right? It must hurt yr ego crying for the girls, you feel you must touch them and they die hahaha.

 

 

 

Another thing - why you need to be personal? You dont have a life? Or you love to hurt people? (You cant hurt me anyways)? 

 

All nonsense and and crap. The fact is rangers can get 2150-2200 HP and deal 2200+ Damage at 160 with insane AR, Range, Speed, Evade+Block. Come i will reduce the damage to 2000 for you, that you dont cry. 2000dmg with 1 critical hit that cant be DEF, while she has 2150-2200 HP and everything else that does exist to make a class OP. 

 

The argument with mounts is stupid, who use or can use mounts in a War/Big Battle during pvp? You really so stupid? 

 

The AR is boosted in some skills for Melee-Classes yes, but still no comparison to the AR of Archer. 

 

Yes RANGE should be considered as a strength and advantage. Range is the strength of Archers, and in that RANGE an Archer has his ROLE. Not in beeing tanky. PS/ASS is counter for AS? Its only the suprise effect and this is for all classes not only for Archers. T

Edited November 22, 2021 by DeadlyWarrior

[Dramalho08 57]

6 hours ago, HollyShot said:

Thats just stupid, you want me to buy 1 fs to proof i can make high score? Why dont you buy 1 archer 148 and play like keath? Of course you are too noob with garb items so you couldnt afford top items like her. But I want to see you playing archer and proof it's broken. Im sure you wont stay alive for more than 5 seconds. But it would be better, log some archer for your clan and lets see how it goes in 1 war. I playing in fs and you playing in AS, im sure i will have a better performance than u simple cuz i dont play like a potato. 
Archers can deal 2k dmg with halloween hat or crown (event/temporary item/SW buff), cuepy and low health. 

Yes, any good fs can hit over 2.3k (not your case), and I just asked 1 fs 158 to proof it.

2.5k in DT

And i also tested his dash

2.6k

Maybe if you had better items, better power ups, better game play (i think it's impossible for you btw) you would do the same. Explain that, im waiting.

Now talking about other servers if you want, in official BPT archer is way overpower in pvp there, they dont need to play pure and have high dmg/atk rating, just go at youtube and you will find many videos of archers raping everyone. I know you miss 2004 times when rangers were completly garb just needed touch them and they died, when pikes and fs were gods over all other classes, but guess what, priston changed and the classes were balanced. 

You said we have range advantage (lol rangers have range) but don't say we have counters (mounts + pikes/ass invisible), you say we have hp but don't say we must sacrifice over 150 points in health to reach 2k hp losing part of our dmg, you talk about our atk rating but ignore the boost rating of other classes like overlady explained, etc etc. In the end you just want yr class better to fix yr inferiority complex.

It's funny how everyone that goes PVP realize that what is broken right now is that aoe skill of brawler but you only talk about rangers (since most of the brawlers are in your clan right), looks so hard for you to die for rangers right? It must hurt yr ego crying for the girls, you feel you must touch them and they die hahaha.

 

 

Hey dude, dishonest is you saying that archer is not broken because you want to keep it OP...

Edited November 23, 2021 by Dramalho08

[redsky272 731]

in my opinion, Aschers are Overpower at the moment, 14x Archer with low gear can kill all 16x (see the comment above). However there’s no need to nerf, this is wartale, not Nerftale. 

Becoz you mention brawlers so i would say: there is no BUG in Aoe skill. Still need 2 hit to kill 1, not a Hitkill skill, plus Bs can tank can kill and deal huge dmg becoz we have good gears, high lvl and so on (relics, gems and centlon bracs…). However check the k/d ratio, very low for us.

 

and yes, Brawler can hitkill with this skill if we can pass through your defense and evade, blk.

https://youtube.com/shorts/ejrajyj4ZdQ?feature=share

Edited November 23, 2021 by redsky272

[CMPunk 73]

3 hours ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

Again nonsense trying to manipulate like a black magician. My FS is 157 with AXE 138+24 DNT and Atk-Sheltom 4-4 g Full buffed + Sol Force + pure Strength does arround 2k Damage with 2H Weapon in Destroyer. You know it better? Focus and read correctly i dont need to lie here like some other people who just want to protect something stupid. 

 

What do you want to proof with that screenshot? There is no proof at all, it doenst proof anything.

This FS is 158, using Siege War Buff and Hlw Hat. And i dont know if that kryon took off his defense items like Subgears ans Boss Set and so on to increase the damage of this Fighter. Do i know it? And why should i trust someone like you, who is trying like a black-magician to manipulate here? And why should i trust this test, where the magical Kryon is involved in? Man i play FS and have the high end Weapons both+24 and 2h is DNT. I cant get more damage when he is already full strength, base health. Even tried hell brave with 96 Agility to maximize damage and set boss 1 DNT and Set Boss 3 DNT, even 114  Brace bsol DNT. I tried many things, dont talk non sense, please. What i definetly know is that the damage of my FS 157, pure strength damage in 100% with full buff and sol force is not enough to Hitkill Kryon with Destroyer, even in the 2h Weapon. She has 2150-2200 HP. And her damage is insane, 2500+ with 1 hit (yes siege war buff+ hlw hat). Normally 2200 Damage and 2100+ HP. I must use stones for that. Only with Stones can kill her with Destroyer 1 Hit. 

 

Your proof failed. But i showed you the Ranking of Keath, last week lvl 146 and now 148, enough proof. On both level she got First and 2nd Place in Ranking with alot of Kills and a positive K-D-Ration. EVEN the AS of Deathstroke, who tested his AS today in BC, a lvl 149 Archer with set boss1, 134 set  and Bellum Force only!! killed alot of people, even 16x with top top items who spend alot of Coins in this server, alot really alooot coins trust me! And included my FS in a 1vs1 scenario, he killed it. He did it smart, yes, but with his offense parameters he can do it easily, can even have 144 Armor and Shield will not change anything. Doesnt mean that he is tanky with his 1k health, but this just shows that AS is overpowered. Now imagine an Archer that deal 2200+ Damage with that parameters and that have even 2200 HP?

 

You dont need to manipulate the community here with your nonsense. The challange is anyone who have a 146-149 Char FS, KS, MS etc. should go BC and try to get the score. I offered to delete my account if any one can do this with a 146-149 FS, KS, MS. 

 

 

 

 

Another thing - why you need to be personal? You dont have a life? Or you love to hurt people? (You cant hurt me anyways)? 

 

All nonsense and and crap. The fact is rangers can get 2150-2200 HP and deal 2200+ Damage at 160 with insane AR, Range, Speed, Evade+Block. Come i will reduce the damage to 2000 for you, that you dont cry. 2000dmg with 1 critical hit that cant be DEF, while she has 2150-2200 HP and everything else that does exist to make a class OP. 

 

The argument with mounts is stupid, who use or can use mounts in a War/Big Battle during pvp? You really so stupid? 

 

The AR is boosted in some skills for Melee-Classes yes, but still no comparison to the AR of Archer. 

 

Yes RANGE should be considered as a strength and advantage. Range is the strength of Archers, and in that RANGE an Archer has his ROLE. Not in beeing tanky. PS/ASS is counter for AS? Its only the suprise effect and this is for all classes not only for Archers. T

 

there you have my build to see if you stop crying and I have always played low lvl in bc and I have killed the same as with my AS.

 

Edited November 23, 2021 by CMPunk

[PandanCola 63]

Nerf MS

[Prateado 495]

6 hours ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

Again nonsense trying to manipulate like a black magician. My FS is 157 with AXE 138+24 DNT and Atk-Sheltom 4-4 g Full buffed + Sol Force + pure Strength does arround 2k Damage with 2H Weapon in Destroyer. You know it better? Focus and read correctly i dont need to lie here like some other people who just want to protect something stupid. 

 

What do you want to proof with that screenshot? There is no proof at all, it doenst proof anything.

This FS is 158, using Siege War Buff and Hlw Hat. And i dont know if that kryon took off his defense items like Subgears ans Boss Set and so on to increase the damage of this Fighter. Do i know it? And why should i trust someone like you, who is trying like a black-magician to manipulate here? And why should i trust this test, where the magical Kryon is involved in? Man i play FS and have the high end Weapons both+24 and 2h is DNT. I cant get more damage when he is already full strength, base health. Even tried hell brave with 96 Agility to maximize damage and set boss 1 DNT and Set Boss 3 DNT, even 114  Brace bsol DNT. I tried many things, dont talk non sense, please. What i definetly know is that the damage of my FS 157, pure strength damage in 100% with full buff and sol force is not enough to Hitkill Kryon with Destroyer, even in the 2h Weapon. She has 2150-2200 HP. And her damage is insane, 2500+ with 1 hit (yes siege war buff+ hlw hat). Normally 2200 Damage and 2100+ HP. I must use stones for that. Only with Stones can kill her with Destroyer 1 Hit. 

 

Your proof failed. But i showed you the Ranking of Keath, last week lvl 146 and now 148, enough proof. On both level she got First and 2nd Place in Ranking with alot of Kills and a positive K-D-Ration. EVEN the AS of Deathstroke, who tested his AS today in BC, a lvl 149 Archer with set boss1, 134 set  and Bellum Force only!! killed alot of people, even 16x with top top items who spend alot of Coins in this server, alot really alooot coins trust me! And included my FS in a 1vs1 scenario, he killed it. He did it smart, yes, but with his offense parameters he can do it easily, can even have 144 Armor and Shield will not change anything. Doesnt mean that he is tanky with his 1k health, but this just shows that AS is overpowered. Now imagine an Archer that deal 2200+ Damage with that parameters and that have even 2200 HP?

 

You dont need to manipulate the community here with your nonsense. The challange is anyone who have a 146-149 Char FS, KS, MS etc. should go BC and try to get the score. I offered to delete my account if any one can do this with a 146-149 FS, KS, MS. 

 

 

 

 

Another thing - why you need to be personal? You dont have a life? Or you love to hurt people? (You cant hurt me anyways)? 

 

All nonsense and and crap. The fact is rangers can get 2150-2200 HP and deal 2200+ Damage at 160 with insane AR, Range, Speed, Evade+Block. Come i will reduce the damage to 2000 for you, that you dont cry. 2000dmg with 1 critical hit that cant be DEF, while she has 2150-2200 HP and everything else that does exist to make a class OP. 

 

The argument with mounts is stupid, who use or can use mounts in a War/Big Battle during pvp? You really so stupid? 

 

The AR is boosted in some skills for Melee-Classes yes, but still no comparison to the AR of Archer. 

 

Yes RANGE should be considered as a strength and advantage. Range is the strength of Archers, and in that RANGE an Archer has his ROLE. Not in beeing tanky. PS/ASS is counter for AS? Its only the suprise effect and this is for all classes not only for Archers. T

Go change ur fs to as and show us how broken is as, im sure u wont be able to make the middle that these 14x make.

 

If u dont know how to play ur fs its not his problem, what do u think? U will come bc and kill all as in 1dt? In ur clan u have 1 as near full items(gems and relics) whi this as not with hight score? What she need to make a better char? Hands? Well that will be almost imposible.

 

 

 

 

[Sananda 571]

Interesting how players always care about nerfing AS.

MS 3 months OP, with high defense, high block, high abs, 3k hp, 2.5k GG, 5k skill t5.

I haven't seen a soul complain on the forum.

 

Ass with the highest rate in the game, tanking 6 people, and easily killing any player and no one complains.

 

Now, brawler doing 1 jump and 2 hits in a row in area can reach + 3k (together) and nobody complained in this forum.

 

Now when Archer is OK most classes come to cry.

They always want this class to be weak.

I'm sorry but any class that knows how to play can easily nerfar Archer.

The question is knowing how to play.

The question that remains: Does it hurt to die for the female class?

[TigerShark22 491]

9 hours ago, HollyShot said:

1- Yes i can see, when you and this other kid talk about AS dmg you can ignore we have hw hat/sw crown, but when I talk about FS i can't counting his power up. Stonks

2- 1600-1700 dmg is not enough to hit kill any male, unless we hit 2 sequential shoots (this is not a HK btw), when yr fs only needs 1 to kill. And yes, we suffer the consequences of using armor losing alot of our dmg. That is why everytime that is possible we choose to play with cuepy, otherwise our dmg becomes crap, since we would need add over ~231 points in STR + many points in health. Do yr fs need 230 points of agility to use armor?

3- Name the 2 top archers that use summer at pvp, otherwise you are just lying. No archer can play using summer since we would lose range, crit, block and wouldnt be able to tank anyone. That is just a stupid build that only a guy like you with 0 knowledge about AS would think. 

4- You may be right saying AS is not the best class for 1v1, and that is how it supposed to be, it's a class overall good for wars. But that doesn't mean we should be a completly crap without chances in this way. Also, this is how it works.

5-  This is completly no sense, no matter the build you are you can't tank over 2.5k in AOE dmg. The only chance to survive would be poting like hell or none of the hits gets critical. And it's not only archers that is getting hk, but pikes/ass/atalantas, the only classes that can tank better are the one with high HP like FS/PRS or with dmg reduction like ks.

 

About the "archer concept" what you dont think is that yr opinion that we have to be a suport class is just and only yr misery opinion, yr class shouldnt be stronger than archer just because you want, we are made to be a high risk high reward class, and that means we should have the biggest DPS of the game at the same time we should be easier to kill. And that is how it works, to be a tanker class we must sacrifice our dmg and to have dmg we need to sacrifice our defense. Obviously this is how the staff thinks too, since that is how they build archer in wartale. Don't try to teach me how AS works or supposed to work, i play this class for over 15 years and i know better than u.

What you think about our dmg right now is not the reality of a normal archer. It's looking high because of the halloween hat that boost significantly our dmg so we have the combo atk rating + atk power. But don't be so desperate, when the hw hat finish over the game our dmg will back to normal.

Also- all infos i gave here i prove, so intead calling it fake proof im wrong. And atalantas are not broken too. thanks

 

1. The other guy might write as balance with those stuffs, but I dont. Even when u do, huge diff to be able to hitkill with a skill that's supposed to hitkill, but most likely miss, has slow animation on a 0 deff block evade class ( huge risk) yet to need 2 crits to kill with ac, when as needs 1 regular and 1 crit in a spamable skill with high AR, nice crit and fast casting animation. But again, I didnt and you literally were refering to it later.

 

2. It is more than enough. 16x fs with tulla now should have around 2800 hp( with some points in vit) and around 1500 damage attacking none high abs classes. 1600-1700 is enough to 2 hit anything. Yet armored as has around 2300 hp with 1700 damage. Lets compare total brute force with what supposed to excel at brute force, and what supposed to only have high damage, will go with 1 hp formula+ 2 crits, cause thats what matter in BC, pure brutr force of kill/ be kileld when there are no lucky stats: 

 

Fs: 2800+1500x2= 5800

As: 2300+1700x2= 5700

 

Surprise surprise, shes almost as strong as fs,  she can kill him in 2 crits, she has far more than enough, he can't survive those. Yet he needs 2 crits to kill ARMORED as too.

 

Though the diff in the lucky stats? Insane

She spams 2 PS as fast as his AC ( you can test it yourself too ), she can pot between those PSs and most importantly- she has insane range and running speed to help her attack from safety/ get away easly. 

 

In a balanced server, what supposed to be her gameplay is to hit and run, and use her lucky stat advantage to keep her alive while risking it to kill/ be the ideal killer which backs melees up with slightly higher damage from them as a pure/ less than them as none pure ( actually suffering the consiquences of armor, in a low total brute force class) rangers should suffer the consiquences of their range. As you said yourself- you would rather have more range than +1 speed- not a single melee can have that privilege to prefer something like that ( I think you are wrong there though, but its your choice).

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,3. I won't name them due to privacy , but you definitely know who, I was very spesific about 1 of em, and even if you don't know, others do/ GM can check it pretty easy.

 

4. In 1v1 shes not brawler, or ata with rage mode ( yet shes better than ata without it) , but she competes ass, and pretty much destroys the rest. Shes not supposed to be stronger in 1v1 than fs( purely 1v1 ), or pike ( nearly purely 1v1 class). She supposed to have her team fight advantage ( ofc to somr extent ) and thats it. She has a role in SW( beside crying, unlike fs/ps/ass)  and team fights. She is supposed to be a mediocre 1v1, by having a gameplay of hit and run which can rise her chances, thats it. Yet atm she excells there. ( Im not talking about wishful thinking, if you divide total BC balance to SW, 1v1 and team fights, you can easly define who can have what by char's characteristics).  That's the only way to balance BC, else you will have classes of everything, and classes of between nothing to overally weak. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

On 11/23/2021 at 3:26 AM, CMPunk said:

 

there you have my build to see if you stop crying and I have always played low lvl in bc and I have killed the same as with my AS.

 

 

Thanks for showing us how broken AS is. Level 146-148 Archer is killing like 16x players + tank very well, thanks. Your items are nothing special, expect the drax boots, that is an def item, that will increase your surviveability and work good for classes that already have Evasion.

 

Your Using Hell-Brace it cost 500c, while Melee-Classes will be crap in PVP with that Brace. SB3, i think everyone is using SB3. 138 or 142 Amulett  doesnt make a difference here (7HP difference only).

 

Your using 140 Armor and 138+24 Bow. Top Players using 144 Armor and 144 Shield. I am using the same items, SB3, Armor 140+Shield140+24 DNT, AXE 138+24 DNT, 142 Axe+24 0-0-4 - only the Drax is missing - lvl 157 - and is trash in his killability compared to a 14x Archer. We saw Deathstroke showing us his Archer 14x too with bellum force and crap items dealing 1800-1900 Damage against FS - killing 16x Players too. But thanks for showing us, really appreciate it.

 

 

 

On 11/23/2021 at 6:34 AM, Prateado said:

Go change ur fs to as and show us how broken is as, im sure u wont be able to make the middle that these 14x make.

 

If u dont know how to play ur fs its not his problem, what do u think? U will come bc and kill all as in 1dt? In ur clan u have 1 as near full items(gems and relics) whi this as not with hight score? What she need to make a better char? Hands? Well that will be almost imposible.

 

 

 

 

 

You dont know what a challange is? We have two 14x Archers here - one Archer with average items (expect Drax Boots), level 148 is killing like a 16x Character. Another 149 Archer with Crap Items and Bellum Force is killing good too, also lvl 16x chars with the best items in the server You know what overpowered means? The challange is if any FS, KS, MS lvl 146-149 can do such things and get a score that is like that, i will delete my account here. I am sure it is impossible.

 

 

On 11/23/2021 at 7:41 AM, TigerShark22 said:

1. The other guy might write as balance with those stuffs, but I dont. Even when u do, huge diff to be able to hitkill with a skill that's supposed to hitkill, but most likely miss, has slow animation on a 0 deff block evade class ( huge risk) yet to need 2 crits to kill with ac, when as needs 1 regular and 1 crit in a spamable skill with high AR, nice crit and fast casting animation. But again, I didnt and you literally were refering to it later.

 

2. It is more than enough. 16x fs with tulla now should have around 2800 hp( with some points in vit) and around 1500 damage attacking none high abs classes. 1600-1700 is enough to 2 hit anything. Yet armored as has around 2300 hp with 1700 damage. Lets compare total brute force with what supposed to excel at brute force, and what supposed to only have high damage, will go with 1 hp formula+ 2 crits, cause thats what matter in BC, pure brutr force of kill/ be kileld when there are no lucky stats: 

 

Fs: 2800+1500x2= 5800

As: 2300+1700x2= 5700

 

Surprise surprise, shes almost as strong as fs,  she can kill him in 2 crits, she has far more than enough, he can't survive those. Yet he needs 2 crits to kill ARMORED as too.

 

Though the diff in the lucky stats? Insane

She spams 2 PS as fast as his AC ( you can test it yourself too ), she can pot between those PSs and most importantly- she has insane range and running speed to help her attack from safety/ get away easly. 

 

In a balanced server, what supposed to be her gameplay is to hit and run, and use her lucky stat advantage to keep her alive while risking it to kill/ be the ideal killer which backs melees up with slightly higher damage from them as a pure/ less than them as none pure ( actually suffering the consiquences of armor, in a low total brute force class) rangers should suffer the consiquences of their range. As you said yourself- you would rather have more range than +1 speed- not a single melee can have that privilege to prefer something like that ( I think you are wrong there though, but its your choice).

.

 

,3. I won't name them due to privacy , but you definitely know who, I was very spesific about 1 of em, and even if you don't know, others do/ GM can check it pretty easy.

 

4. In 1v1 shes not brawler, or ata with rage mode ( yet shes better than ata without it) , but she competes ass, and pretty much destroys the rest. Shes not supposed to be stronger in 1v1 than fs( purely 1v1 ), or pike ( nearly purely 1v1 class). She supposed to have her team fight advantage ( ofc to somr extent ) and thats it. She has a role in SW( beside crying, unlike fs/ps/ass)  and team fights. She is supposed to be a mediocre 1v1, by having a gameplay of hit and run which can rise her chances, thats it. Yet atm she excells there. ( Im not talking about wishful thinking, if you divide total BC balance to SW, 1v1 and team fights, you can easly define who can have what by char's characteristics).  That's the only way to balance BC, else you will have classes of everything, and classes of between nothing to overally weak. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bro many Archers do more then 2000 Damage and more against FS in BC. Even with Tulla-Relic and 2800HP for FS, its not enough to survive 1critical hit + 1 normal hit if they do 2000+ DMG with 1 crit.

And Your DEF is canceled - you will get many hits. Try your self to PVP an Archer and use your armor then take your Armor off and put Summer. There is not difference in the DEF-Ability. The Summer is even better, since you have a bit more block and +1 speed to cast destroyer Faster and use the Hit & Run Style. But that is not the concept of FS and he doesnt have the skills for this gameplay.

 

Edited November 27, 2021 by DeadlyWarrior

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

7 hours ago, CMPunk said:

 

 Edit: anyways - the game here is good and have many positive aspects. And exclusive skills and so on. I dont want to let the game shine bad, thats also not true. Its the ranger-aspect in the BC-Map. 

 

[Prateado 495]

9 hours ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

Thanks for showing us how broken AS is. Level 146-148 Archer is killing like 16x players + tank very well, thanks. Your items are nothing special, expect the drax boots, that is an def item, that will increase your surviveability and work good for classes that already have Evasion.

 

Your Using Hell-Brace it cost 500c, while Melee-Classes will be crap in PVP with that Brace. Also GreedyGaunt, Top Players are using 144 Gaunt. Then SB3, i think everyone is using SB3. 138 or 142 Amulett  doesnt make a difference here (7HP difference only).

 

Your using 140 Armor and 138+24 Bow. Top Players using 144 Armor and 144 Shield - still crap if FS. I am using the same items, SB3, Armor 140+Shield140+24 DNT, AXE 138+24 DNT, 142 Axe+24 0-0-4 - only the Drax is missing - lvl 157 - and is trash in his killability compared to a 14x Archer. We saw Deathstroke showing us his Archer 14x too with bellum force and crap items dealing 1800-1900 Damage against FS - killing 16x Players too. But thanks for showing us, really appreciate it.

 

 

 

 

You dont know what a challange is? We have two 14x Archers here - one Archer with average items (expect Drax Boots), level 148 is killing like a 16x Character. Another 149 Archer with Crap Items and Bellum Force is killing good too, also lvl 16x chars with the best items in the server You know what overpowered means? The challange is if any FS, KS, MS lvl 146-149 (maybe GM will let us test it even with the best items full DNT?) can do such things and get a score that is like that, i will delete my account here. I am sure it is impossible.

 

 

 

Bro many Archers do more then 2000 Damage and more against FS in BC. Even with Tulla-Relic and 2800HP for FS, its not enough to survive 1critical hit + 1 normal hit if they do 2000+ DMG with 1 crit.

And Your DEF is canceled - you will get many hits. Try your self to PVP an Archer and use your armor then take your Armor off and put Summer. There is not difference in the DEF-Ability. The Summer is even better, since you have a bit more block and +1 speed to cast destroyer Faster and use the Hit & Run Style. But that is not the concept of FS and he doesnt have the skills for this gameplay.

 

With that current mode of AS (btw ATA still not balanced correctly) its overpowered. And in Terms of FS i made a suggestion. If AS can have 7k and 8k Attack Rating (Because its his Design), then give Fighter his design too, that means HP. FS always had much more HP then every other class - in many private servers in T5 he has Survival Instinct that increase the health %, so FS have a great amount of Health. in the official servers he doesnt have this in the T5, but the HP Formular there is different, so in the End a FS have 1000 HP more then the next best HP class - its Pikeman in the official server. FS at 14x can get 5000health there, Pike 4000 (PS OP there), MS have lower HP its like 3600 (but the Metal Armor work there no nerf in GS and have another nice T5 spammable Skill). MS has block+high def/abs and the damage is also good BUT low AR/SLOWLY/HP lower then even Pike.
AS have damage there yes and nice range yes -> but it have LOW HP / low DEF and 44% EVADE (DRAX DOESNT ADD EVADE THERE). With ATA Buff the Evade is 55% total! and THATS IT. She cant use high end shield/armor, she will have to use the same strength for that as MELEE, so she will loose alot of power. Now one play AS like that. Only ATAS - but mostly they a SEMI-Build, using LOW ARMOR with LOW STRG-REQ and a SHIELD.

If you reach the AS there, AS its paper, if not EVADED then its down with 1 hit. Archers role there is to stay in his position and to help in Siege War for example at Balcony or in bigger fights behind melees to cover them up. and they doesnt have that amazing speed there too. its the Hit&Run class. ATA can tank better then AS there, because it is using SHIELD - it is the ranged support that goes with the Melee - it can also use Armor - it support the team with evade and with its high attack rating. the range is good there but not too big -  the damage is not strong if use armor but its good for support the melees that are involved in the close fights

 

 

 

can u understand why this as 146 have high score? do u know why bs have this score with more deaths than killed?

1. This as 146 can be possitive cause if he use pure build in bc ofc he will kill a lot and die easy, but bc system is broken i think nad if u know how to play ur CHAR u will make many things but if u dont know how to play ur char u only will talk about all class are buffed for u, i repeat if u think as is very broken for pvp, go log 1 as and try make that, im sure u wont, why? if u arent able to play 1 fs (char with enought hp/def to tank and kill with higher damage, u wont be able to play 1 pure as with 1.2k hp or less if u dont have good items).

 

2. why dont talk about BS? u think its normal 1 BS keep runing with moun in bc (same speed like as/ata) enter to battle zone and use aoe skill, hit 2-3k and kill 1-2? why no talk about that?

i remenber i read about u that u talking about fs cant stun like as? really dude? fs can stun more than 1 player near to him, and its impossible to evade stun! maybe u trying to stun people with lag, ofc it wont work there.

 

 

so if u cant play as well if ur char dont talk about other char if u dont know how really work, and if u still thinking that, go and prove it, change ur char to as or as for any shared, u will understand what im talking about.

 

CHEERS

 

Edited November 23, 2021 by Prateado

[redsky272 731]

Do you mention Keath as? The one who die then un-plug the internet connection to run for his life !? And the one who trashtalk a lot? He got No respect from us!!! 

 

Bc is a good place for relaxing, please don’t be so serious, it’s weird ? play like a man, dont be a cow!!!

 

let me tell you why bs has high bp when they die a lot, because we play with top players who have higher bp than us, just scroll back to one As comment(with picture) to see how it works.
 

Edited November 24, 2021 by redsky272

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

6 hours ago, Prateado said:

 

can u understand why this as 146 have high score? do u know why bs have this score with more deaths than killed?

1. This as 146 can be possitive cause if he use pure build in bc ofc he will kill a lot and die easy, but bc system is broken i think nad if u know how to play ur CHAR u will make many things but if u dont know how to play ur char u only will talk about all class are buffed for u, i repeat if u think as is very broken for pvp, go log 1 as and try make that, im sure u wont, why? if u arent able to play 1 fs (char with enought hp/def to tank and kill with higher damage, u wont be able to play 1 pure as with 1.2k hp or less if u dont have good items).

 

2. why dont talk about BS? u think its normal 1 BS keep runing with moun in bc (same speed like as/ata) enter to battle zone and use aoe skill, hit 2-3k and kill 1-2? why no talk about that?

i remenber i read about u that u talking about fs cant stun like as? really dude? fs can stun more than 1 player near to him, and its impossible to evade stun! maybe u trying to stun people with lag, ofc it wont work there.

 

 

so if u cant play as well if ur char dont talk about other char if u dont know how really work, and if u still thinking that, go and prove it, change ur char to as or as for any shared, u will understand what im talking about.

 

CHEERS

 

 

Are you serious about comparing a level 161 Brawler with 144 Armor, 142 Fists, Gems and Relics to a 14x Archer with average items (apart from Drax boots)? You ignore the fact that another test has already been carried out with a level 149 Archer with below-average items (SB1 - 134 Set - Costume - 138 Bow) + Bellum Force and has been presented here.

 

I agree with the point that the aspect "outnumber" has to be taken into account. However, it is not simply due to that. The killability for Archers is set too high.

 

1. Set too high compared to the defense items: the attack rating is set so high that it totally ignores the DEF of the high-end items +24 (even 144 Armor & 144 Shield +24). 7k DEF are nothing against AS. 

2. Set so high that it is suitable for manually increasing survivability (adding VIT + means that you can still do enough damage and  tank with HP in addition to the EVADE + BLOCK, which is already too high)

3. The kill mode only takes place in a spamable skill in combination with huge range

 

Yes, FS have Area-Stun- And no, your wrong, this Stun can be Evaded by AS, ASS, ATA, Pike + seperatly by Drax-Boots + can be blocked by Brawler (+ reduce Stun-Duration with the passive Organic- Skill)

 

FS have high defense? ^ _ ^ FS have high HP? ^ _ ^

 

You have to see the things in relation. If FS have 2000 DEF but everyone in the server have between 50-100 attack rating, then my defense is amazing. If my HP is 2500 and the critical damage of any class will not pass 200, then my HP is insane.

Edited November 24, 2021 by DeadlyWarrior

[Prateado 495]

Ill leave this and i think its enought.  ??

 

 

CHEERS 

 

 

 

 

 

[vhnh167 285]

5 hours ago, Prateado said:

Ill leave this and i think its enought.  ??

 

 

CHEERS 

 

 

 

 

 

Have they fixed the problem with characters having PvE skills instead of PvP in Duel? This could be an artefact of this bug. 

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

13 hours ago, Prateado said:

Ill leave this and i think its enought.  ??

 

 

CHEERS 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That Video is funny and nice music + Gifs haha. Btw i checked your channel, damn i played also in reg-num√pt haha and we pvped already there too i was in Sacramentz

Edited November 24, 2021 by DeadlyWarrior

[Lev 323]

People wants to hide how overpower his main char is by telling there are worst cases hahahahaha

The fact is: any broken char or mechanic need to be adjusted so that the decisive factor in choosing a char is your playing style (what u like), not what the game imposes on you to be competitive.

[Keshy 1,385]

2 hours ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

That Video is funny and nice music + Gifs haha. Btw i checked your channel, damn i played also in reg-num√pt haha and we pvped already there too i was in Sacramentz

Hello!!! 

 

16 hours ago, Prateado said:

Ill leave this and i think its enought.  ??

 

 

CHEERS 

 

 

 

 

 

 

look, not wanting to say anything bad but...

 

In terms of PvP wartale systems are very poorly tested, and this video is proof, and you can see the current situation of PvP, many players are angry and angry with certain problems that have been happening and are solved (and added) to each update that takes 3-4 months. . .

 

The server is amazing, but the fact that Sandurr only looks at half the coin affects his judgment of the balance issue.

 

I think for example, now, he's released this excellent dueling system, and it's really good, but there are problems with skills, and it's going to affect players to use this system whether they want it or not, since the first part of the updates that started 3 weeks ago (maybe longer) gave him a sense of what could change and could release a balancing part 2 in the third part of the update

[TigerShark22 491]

On 11/22/2021 at 10:27 PM, kenibok said:

 

Assassin is a 1v1: ?? what does this even mean, aren't all classes 1v1? xdddd maybe magician is not(?). I'm not the one (the ones) here complaining about assassin, I'm saying that you all here are biased (God knows why) by the simple obvious fact that there are 4-5 classes far better than archer for PvP, some undoubtedly broken but you still are focusing on a class that is ok. 

Brawler is a pvp class: ????? dude tf? again what is this supposed to mean, maybe you're new but this is Wartale, not but, not kpt, since its beggining every class is a pvp class. How is a class supposed to not be 1vs1 oriented (?? dude I'm struggling to understand this lol but trying to make sense of it, with ks, brawler could be a class not only 1v1 top tier, but also is the perfect example of actual broken with AoE bug, its actually interesting how you completely forgot to mention a class that has a base of 40% block+ damage reduction + WAY better hp formula than archer, and high defense, that can eeeeasily make 2k3 2k4+ 1x1 hits, has a 180 area skill that hits an average of 1.6k+ 800 damage not lockable, evadable or defendable, that on top of that has dynamic skills that increase critical power by 50% (who needs centlon?)  with a generous attack speed buff of 3.5s... so on, but you actually choose to focus on archer? wrong focus my boi

 

you always count ur tankyness without shield, yet count other classes with shield: do I? Directly attacking someone with fake accusations is just childish, I did not attack you, actually didn't even spoke to you xd. Shields are a static defensive ability, every class (non magic) can access to them so suggesting its somehow extra/exclusive for archer is not making any sense, actually its working the other way around, because rangers, and archer specifically, don't have an equal access to shields as rest of the game does because they require high strength, rangers have to sacrifice many stat points in order to match what's natural for other characters. Based on your example archer's run-shield-2h thing means damage will most likely be received.

 

 

this is simple 100% false. No class besides fighter/brawler can tank 2 critical hits, unless you're suggesting archer's reach 3k+ hp in order to do that (abs is negligible, can we stop the nonsense?). The time to cast 2 ph hit is indeed slower than the time to cast ANY 2 hit skill of the whole game, you can try to prove this wrong; I can't resist to mention that atalanta can make 3 vengeance casts (6 hits) in the time that an archer can cast 2 ph, vg has higher critical and attack rating than phoenix. Your focus is again: wrong.

It is also interesting when you actually consider context: the chances of an archer to deal two consecutive critical hits is 13,7% while the chances of, lets say a fighter, to make 2 consecutive critical hits is 49%, while the chances of making 3 consecutive critical hits is 34,3%

 

 

Does that character exist? a 2400 hp archer with 7500 attack rating? I would like to say you're exaggerating but you're straight lying. Maybe if the player was 165+ to get somehow close to 7k rate pure, while having 3 or maybe 4 Tulla relics working like additive? xd this is just a wrong lie "analogy". you literally have a player here with numbers and screenshots proving the complete opposite but you choose to lie talk this way?

 

 

So you're suggesting the top tank class of the game, highest abs, def, block, actually just considering block has already less than 40 some % of getting hits, that could reach 2k5 2k3 on a one hit of a two hit skill while also obliterate is being able to qu1te often make hit kills of 4.5, 3.8, 4k was comparable to a class that based on >you< here makes hits of 2k (with delay and pure build/relic) .... no comment. 

Ps: Obliterate can still hitkill even when using metal armor, GS still deals over 2k damage often.

 

 

1. Without crown and halloween hat so do rangers, archer on the other hand only has 1 hit skills, while a pike/fighter for just a simple example, can achieve considerably above 2k hits on 3 hit skills (with 30-40% extra critical), or the conveniently ignored atalanta with 2-3 hit skills with also extra final attack rating boost. It is indeed the worst time of the year to compare damage xd

3. just lol

Wanted to make time to replay to you too, and not only Kyrion, but there are so much BS poorly written and not true at all  that I won't even replay It in detail except some points I can't stop myself. You can read my other comments though, you might be able to grasp the idea of balance, what every class in BC can/ can't do in a balanced game etc.

 

 

Here they are:

 

1. Ass is a 1v1 class. What does it means? Can she tank in SW? 2 handed no damage reduction/ abs? What she does well? Try to ask what a class that excells at 1v1 in a balanced game can do ( and I don't have an assassin ).

 

2. You compare pike CS to ur as phoenix shot? You mean a hitkill to a spamable skill? Does it makes sense for you? Btw and just so you wanted to compare fs destroyer to your as's PS and guess what? An armored as is pretty close to the damage a fighter deals with 1 hit of dest. But at that time, that skill has literally only 2.6k AR, animation of nearly 4 PSs, and if Ill use a 2h sword to get to the high crit without stunning an opponent- Ill leave myself wide open, and in a most likely clash of any class who keeps spamming skills during dest vs fs  ( in the times it even could 1 hit ) - the fs will most likely be the loser of that clash. Now ofc this skill can be thrown to the garbage can, cause it cant even hitkill without special items AND buffs ( means its not available for fs anymore, even when it should, cause again, fs is a class that should excell in 1v1, just like ass).

Note- not counting BC buff/ Haloween hat in either fs/as in this 1, cause balance is made with buffs and premiums that available to everyone anytime.

 

3. Does it make sense to you that your archer can attack from the longest range in the game? Does it make sense that she has the fastest running speed with it and together its a deadly combo? Does it make sense to you that everyone spam a 2 hit skill, yet her skill is 1 hit skill and IN ADDITION 2 hits of this skill is being casted faster than most 2 hit skills, means its a spamable skill which allows you to pot between the hits, while others can't do that. Does it makes sense that she has the highest AR in the game? Does it make sense that her crit is also good in addition to that? Does it make sense that her damage is insane even with armor, leaving everyone in the dust? Does it make sense that yet, she can still tank 1 regular and 1 crit, and she dies in 2 crits, like every melee? Does it make sense that she has the highest evade in the game? Higher deff than none tankers melees? Shield's/ bow block too?

 

4. I agree that BS is far stronger. But BS is 1 of the 4 classes that should do great at 1v1 ( ass, fs, pike, bs, if you will take a look at their characharistics at least, and what those classes cant do at all/ will always do terrible). I do agree though that BS needs a nerf, that the rage mode of ata needs a serious nerf, ass might need a slight 1 in the AR she has with stealth mode, and Idk how mech is doing in the new patch yet, but since Obliterate hasn't been nerfed, it should be. Also that fs/ pike are far too weak than what they should be. Knight is slightly weaker than what it should be. Thats it pretty much . And I only have a fs now here, yet fun fact, trying to take a look at the game objectively, about what characteristics characters have, and in what it makes sense for them to excell/ do bad/ do mediocore etc.

 

Edited November 24, 2021 by TigerShark22

[Hulk 332]

17 hours ago, Prateado said:

Vou deixar isso e acho que é o suficiente.  ??

 

 

FELICIDADES 

 

 

 

 

 

if U  use logic from some AS players in this topic, bs is OK, not OP

Edited November 24, 2021 by Hulk

[redsky272 731]

Hello Keath, hello Kryon.... can you hear me, smileeee

 

Sorry i r*** you so badd :))) That's how 162 Bs handle 149 as(or 2 at the end of the video :)) ), you need to lvl up  Crying babe, learn to be humble, and stop unplug the connection, pleaseee :((

 

 

 

 

Edited November 25, 2021 by redsky272

[Overlady 5,238]

Yeah, Shattered Impact is dealing more damage than it was meant to, same was happening with other tier 5 AoE skills.

 

We are planning to rework the game formulas to make attack rating and defense rating be increased by talent, spirit and strength and consequently adjust the skills values. The current formula harms the non-agility classes in the long run.

 

Kind Regards,

Overlady

[Sananda 571]

1 hour ago, Overlady said:

Yeah, Shattered Impact is dealing more damage than it was meant to, same was happening with other tier 5 AoE skills.

 

We are planning to rework the game formulas to make attack rating and defense rating be increased by talent, spirit and strength and consequently adjust the skills values. The current formula harms the non-agility classes in the long run.

 

Kind Regards,

Overlady

 

I'll give you a specific opinion.

I think that every time the server balances the pvp, there is a very serious error that makes pvp annoying...

It's already happened with PS giving 5.000dmg on Shuriken

It already happened with MS with 3.000 hp and hitting 4.000+ in T5 skill.

Now happens with Brawlers jumping and area killing at 2k+ per hit.

This is tiring, it seems that we never have a stable PVP, there is always some serious problem that spoils everything.

For me the only time PVP served was at the time of Project Zeus, all classes were balanced, everyone could play in their classes and have fun.

When there are serious errors in balance and 1 class is extremely OP this makes the game boring and always takes too long to be fixed.

I know maybe game PVP isn't a priority but it should be.

Many people invest to play pvp only.

Keeping 10 classes balanced is a little difficult but possible.

And they should also keep them balanced.

Wartale example launches BELT, everything will be unbalanced again.

So you should know that each release of something new will have to readjust other things.

This lack of stability in pvp and classes makes the game boring.

But I for example love Wartale and I don't change for another Priston, however unstable PVP is bad for everyone.

[covidkilla 414]

1 hour ago, Overlady said:

Yeah, Shattered Impact is dealing more damage than it was meant to, same was happening with other tier 5 AoE skills.

 

We are planning to rework the game formulas to make attack rating and defense rating be increased by talent, spirit and strength and consequently adjust the skills values. The current formula harms the non-agility classes in the long run.

 

Kind Regards,

Overlady

 

 

Hello overlady,

 

I noticed AOE  of shattered impact and the KS AOE and others are dealing massive damage... but shaman press deity literally does zero damage. no shamans use this skill anymore because its been nerfed out of existence for pvp. I understand why it was nerfed before but it got nerfed  to the point where there's no point in casting the skill anymore because its dealing barely any damage in pvp.  @Overlady

[- D E A T H S T R O K E - 1,764]

6 hours ago, covidkilla said:

 

 

Hello overlady,

 

I noticed AOE  of shattered impact and the KS AOE and others are dealing massive damage... but shaman press deity literally does zero damage. no shamans use this skill anymore because its been nerfed out of existence for pvp. I understand why it was nerfed before but it got nerfed  to the point where there's no point in casting the skill anymore because its dealing barely any damage in pvp.  @Overlady

Some skills have another layer of damage reduction on their skills

 

As you can see, Press deity has a PvP damage -50% alongside the AoE damage multiplier being  lower than 1x1

some skills that have it are Archer's Perforation, Mage's Stone Spike, Shaman's Spiritual Flare and Fight's Cyclone. It might have more, but I don't remember right now