The Problem with BC and HUGE alliances.

[covidkilla 414]

The problem with bc is that a lot of players take things really personally I was in clan WTF i told them i had to switch sides to make things more balanced and now they talk bad to me when im trying to join the other side to make bc more active again its not personal its what needs to be done.  , you guys let your ego get the best of you and it kills the game. for an example of how it kills the game. BC is dead , why ? because 70% of the clans who active in bc are allies , the alliance of rocket kom MIB sn WTF and others complains that bc is dead but dont want to do anything to change it when there is a solution. 

 

Solution : people need to start switching their alliances to make a more balanced bc arent you guys bored of getting free crown ? , who cares if you don't like another clan .. at least we can get wars again.

 

this huge alliance only thinks about recruit more , but they don't realize that they are ruining bc for themselves , i was in WTF clan and its so boring having a huge alliance , i can go pure and its 10x3 and we all kill to get the bp who gets the last hit right ? its just sad and boring... why not be better and do something different like help the other side that has almost no one ? or be part of a change by making new alliances.

 

 

some of you players need to lose the ego and do what's best for the game of bc and also other players. 

 

 

it was suggested by some WTF members that they go to other side , but they said no because some WTF players are from kom ... this is really sad because again (ego) getting in the way

of something that can be great again like bc wars. 

 

I see all high lvls afk in ric that bc always because bc dead..... do something about it huge alliance clan , be smart and do whats right 

 

 

 

[xkintaro 1,987]

MIB now has a great alliance, but months ago he was with the newly created WTF, which still wasn't going to Bless, and the MIB did 1 x 4 clans in Bless, of these 4, only runaway and karma continue and make a great PVP on the server, unlike the other 2 that disappeared, now that the 4 clans stopped or even don't try to go BC, it's not our fault that we've outgrown our enemies.

 

the game has always had alliances, on both sides, there are always these phases that one side also dominates.

 

i think i should accept the alliances as suggestion, and split them all into two factions (jedis/siths, horde/ally, simpsons/american daddy) just like other mmorpgs that always have two teams.

 

example:

 

Knight Commander Derik Order, would be the warriors who would unite to control the resources and impose peace under the command of Derik and his consil (could be the leader player / faction representative)
They would have a Red flag, and all players would have a red name.

 

on the other side would have the Royalmage Ray Defenders, who fought alongside the Royalmage to defend against Derik's tyranny and impositions, they would have their sub-leaders (same thing as on that side)
They would have the yellow flag and the names in yellow.

the game would have ways to encourage people to participate in the war and to balance if one side becomes dominant for example, the losing side would have a bonus of 5%+ damage/hp/defence only in BC to help if they lose more than two wars in a row, accumulating up to 15%, in case they are unable to win, resetting the bonus in case of victory, each player would choose a side, they could have clans of only one faction.

[covidkilla 414]

24 minutes ago, xkintaro said:

MIB now has a great alliance, but months ago he was with the newly created WTF, which still wasn't going to Bless, and the MIB did 1 x 4 clans in Bless, of these 4, only runaway and karma continue and make a great PVP on the server, unlike the other 2 that disappeared, now that the 4 clans stopped or even don't try to go BC, it's not our fault that we've outgrown our enemies.

 

the game has always had alliances, on both sides, there are always these phases that one side also dominates.

 

i think i should accept the alliances as suggestion, and split them all into two factions (jedis/siths, horde/ally, simpsons/american daddy) just like other mmorpgs that always have two teams.

 

example:

 

Knight Commander Derik Order, would be the warriors who would unite to control the resources and impose peace under the command of Derik and his consil (could be the leader player / faction representative)
They would have a Red flag, and all players would have a red name.

 

on the other side would have the Royalmage Ray Defenders, who fought alongside the Royalmage to defend against Derik's tyranny and impositions, they would have their sub-leaders (same thing as on that side)
They would have the yellow flag and the names in yellow.

the game would have ways to encourage people to participate in the war and to balance if one side becomes dominant for example, the losing side would have a bonus of 5%+ damage/hp/defence only in BC to help if they lose more than two wars in a row, accumulating up to 15%, in case they are unable to win, resetting the bonus in case of victory, each player would choose a side, they could have clans of only one faction.

 

 

 

very interesting idea !

 

[erickito 13]

duels in the BT are much more fun than going to BC

[lt1genv 493]

5 hours ago, erickito said:

duels in the BT are much more fun than going to BC

+1billion

[BigFoot 375]

So what will you do if one day your side dominates bc? Are you going to switch sides again? ?

Honestly, you can do that "balance" with your team (if you can unite some of it). But it makes you untrustworthy. So don't blame old clan mates who talk badly to you because that's the path you choose, you choose to kill old clan mates in bc.

Edited December 9, 2021 by BigFoot

[blackdan 12]

they dont care about having fun, just want the damn crap gold crown ^^^^^^

[BigFoot 375]

6 minutes ago, blackdan said:

they dont care about having fun, just want the damn crap gold crown ^^^^^^

? just start a clan or join a young clan and try to conquer that gold crown. When you earn it you will see it's not that crap anymore.

[blackdan 12]

4 hours ago, BigFoot said:

? just start a clan or join a young clan and try to conquer that gold crown. When you earn it you will see it's not that crap anymore.

shut up ^^

[covidkilla 414]

kom and these other clans dont care that bc is dead. they dont mind haha, they rather it be dead then to lose the crown or bragging rights. big ego in game

[covidkilla 414]

i just want fair play

[lefaucheur 161]

eu so quero apanhar... 

 

ops... Ganhar

 

[EliPortela 153]

As much as I disagree on how alliances are made, we can all choose how to play. 
In my case I prefer "solo career" because I don't want to have any obligations to any groups within the game.
And as much as I am an avid critic of how things stand on the server these days, 
GM is implementing alternatives and it's only a matter of time before they find a suitable formula.
I understand your frustration, but there's nothing you can do about it, it's the server mentality.

[L 720]

It depends a lot on clans from both sides being managed by good leaders. If both sides have good leaders, people looking to improve the game competition and chase victory there will always be good wars. It always happened in Wartale since 2010. Once one side got stronger, the other immediately tried to find new people, make new alliances, bring old players back, start investing more. I personally saw it happening a few times since the start of the game ?

 

Forcing people to chose a certain side is something that cant be done due to the way the game works. If side x is losing, its better to find someone who wants to work hard for them, then do what I said above. Its like politics and war in real life... you have to be kinda diplomatic to keep your side strong and competition going on.

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

Just focus the toxic players haha 

And ignore the rest

[RaiseAgain 262]

Bc will never back to be what it was years ago . 

 

1. There is no new player that acually will put a lot of money or time   for pvp char cus pvp is simply dead . 

2. The ones who play probably sold thier acc and they wont come back . 

3. Even if you put max 20 people each clan can go .. they will just make many small clan that share they crowns . 

 

What you shuold do  is to make 3 differet categories. 

 

Gold sold crown ( only 1 clan can get it) +1 speed atk  

Sige war gold crown ( only 1 clan get it) give +10 atk power . 

Battle town gold crown ( give 5% def or 5% evde for exmple ) . ( new turnament ? ) 

 

For exmple: if 1 clan allready got the gold crown in bc .... he  cant get gold crown in sod or bt  . 

 

 

Its wont fix the problem in pvp .. but its will boots the spirit of clan to compete in each area they want ..  

Then we can do 1x1 duel fights  all the way without mules buffs. 

 

 

I think its will kill bc area .. but its improve the pvp style  of the game . 

 

 

Just a tought  ?

Edited December 8, 2021 by RaiseAgain

[Mjizzy_7 1,986]

Its easy. Most of the people go to the clans that are dominating the server at the time. I Can remember when i was in The Gang and we and WS /LB Dominated the server , a huge number started to ask to come to our clan even from the  "enemy" side just to enjoy the Gold crown. Its more a community problem in my eyes. Wartale has one of the best systems in pvp if i compare to other servers, its just what the people in game do with it. Atm there are unbalanced charas yes but if people really want to have a good Bc back they would choose a "Smaller" Clan for make it big and have a fun fair fight again.

 

I came back to game since 4 days and its amazing to see even if my side is under numbered they keep try to bring back fun to Game and I'm sure the other side can confirm it. Its just about how long ppl stay motivated to fight 10x5. 

 

Let's see and wish that Wartale get the nice Time back. I see more issues in PVE because i sometimes wish to log and go hunt even if its 1H like old times . So if bc is not in a good from u have a alternative to do something else. This would be soooo Nice. New items + Hunt map incoming :P? haha

 

Best wishes

 

Mjizzy

Edited December 8, 2021 by Moussi7

[sacermulinha 10]

1 hour ago, Moussi7 said:

 Lembro-me de quando estava na Gangue e nós e o WS / LB dominamos o servidor

KKKKKKKKKKK LB DOMINA POHA NENHUMA 

WS E TG Só APARECERAM QUANDO SN PAROU dUHGASDASD
TRUE#PAZ

 

[vhnh167 285]

On 12/6/2021 at 4:27 AM, xkintaro said:

MIB now has a great alliance, but months ago he was with the newly created WTF, which still wasn't going to Bless, and the MIB did 1 x 4 clans in Bless, of these 4, only runaway and karma continue and make a great PVP on the server, unlike the other 2 that disappeared, now that the 4 clans stopped or even don't try to go BC, it's not our fault that we've outgrown our enemies.

 

the game has always had alliances, on both sides, there are always these phases that one side also dominates.

 

i think i should accept the alliances as suggestion, and split them all into two factions (jedis/siths, horde/ally, simpsons/american daddy) just like other mmorpgs that always have two teams.

 

example:

 

Knight Commander Derik Order, would be the warriors who would unite to control the resources and impose peace under the command of Derik and his consil (could be the leader player / faction representative)
They would have a Red flag, and all players would have a red name.

 

on the other side would have the Royalmage Ray Defenders, who fought alongside the Royalmage to defend against Derik's tyranny and impositions, they would have their sub-leaders (same thing as on that side)
They would have the yellow flag and the names in yellow.

the game would have ways to encourage people to participate in the war and to balance if one side becomes dominant for example, the losing side would have a bonus of 5%+ damage/hp/defence only in BC to help if they lose more than two wars in a row, accumulating up to 15%, in case they are unable to win, resetting the bonus in case of victory, each player would choose a side, they could have clans of only one faction.

This is a great idea! Also, the gap between two sides should never be above 5. This way, even alliances would have to join different sides, although scores would still count for each clan separately. 

[xkintaro 1,987]

11 hours ago, vhnh167 said:

This is a great idea! Also, the gap between two sides should never be above 5. This way, even alliances would have to join different sides, although scores would still count for each clan separately. 

 

yes, it's even easier to balance, an ideal war would be something like 100x100 or 200x200, if one side has an alliance of 200 people and the other has 100, the war should be 100x100 and 100 in the queue, so the biggest alliance doesn't it would be so attractive like that. 

 

Goods rewards for those who helped in the war and its goals, so those who were always left in queue out of the war would end up looking for the other alliance side.

 

But if one side is still losing, it could increase winning side 100 x 105 losing side (+5% for last week's defeat)

 

11 hours ago, vhnh167 said:

although scores would still count for each clan separately. 

 

Yes, would be cool too

[BigFoot 375]

44 minutes ago, xkintaro said:

 

yes, it's even easier to balance, an ideal war would be something like 100x100 or 200x200, if one side has an alliance of 200 people and the other has 100, the war should be 100x100 and 100 in the queue, so the biggest alliance doesn't it would be so attractive like that. 

 

Goods rewards for those who helped in the war and its goals, so those who were always left in queue out of the war would end up looking for the other alliance side.

 

But if one side is still losing, it could increase winning side 100 x 105 losing side (+5% for last week's defeat)

 

 

Yes, would be cool too

I don't think it's a good idea because there will be mules from other side joining your side.

 

I think we should remove the hit-kill from bc first, at least keep it to a minimum. And then the side effects should be reinforced: stun, slow, ice, poison, fire, debuff. Make its more important in bc. Thus, the outnumbered problem will decrease and a small group can survive in bc with good strategy (classes diversity). Of course, it will take some time to adjust, but it's worth a try.

[xkintaro 1,987]

Just now, BigFoot said:

I don't think it's a good idea because there will be mules from other side joining your side.

 

it's not perfect, but it can be controlled and fixed.

[BigFoot 375]

32 minutes ago, xkintaro said:

 

it's not perfect, but it can be controlled and fixed.

Imagine 100x100 war (all players active, no mule) but 50 of team A is from bigger alliance of team B and they don’t help team A in war. How can you fix it?

Edited December 9, 2021 by BigFoot

[DarkLink64 921]

On 12/6/2021 at 12:27 AM, xkintaro said:

it's not our fault that we've outgrown our enemies.

I would say, outwallet your enemies. Game got extremely expensive and you have to pay2win to be competitive on BC, so it's not surprise people would envetually just q u i t the game.

Edited December 9, 2021 by DarkLink64

[vhnh167 285]

7 hours ago, BigFoot said:

Imagine 100x100 war (all players active, no mule) but 50 of team A is from bigger alliance of team B and they don’t help team A in war. How can you fix it?

This can easily be fixed. 1 account per IP and no player under a certain level (146 for instance). Also, inactive players for ~20 seconds straight are kicked out of the war.