Discussion: Latest Change log, much appreciated

[lt1genv 493]

Wartale enthusiasts, staff, and everyone else,

 

Latest patch

 

Wartale staff, thank you a billion! Not only for the rework done in the game formula, but also for the fact that you went deep into your approach to achieving game balance by going far and redesigning the game formula. I understand that is not a simple process of plug'n play and just change. And I have to say the formula change has been amazing! We are grateful for your efforts. It sparked the life in Wartale, we are now seeing more melees then before.

 

 

Some points I would like to highlight and I am not sure if this was part of the patch since it was not mentioned in the change log:
 

Assassin:

 

 Deception

• (PVE/PVP) Attack rating boost reduced from 100% to 50%

 

The duration has been significantly decreased down to 1.5 minutes which translates into a nerf, again I am not sure if this was an intentional change since it was not mentioned in the change log. Assassin nowadays, are not one of the 'popular' classes for various reasons, and with that huge decrease in duration in one of the skills that is a trademark for all assassins, it is has been a difficult patch to cope with for assassins. I would highly appreciate your confirmation on this @Overlady as well as all the assassins.

 

 

Archer:

 

 

Stun Arrow (T5): I am not sure if this has been reworked but it seems that this skill's cool down has been significantly decreased (buffed), where the stuns are almost spammed with an interval of approximately 5-7 seconds. Again I am not sure and would appreciate confirmation on this, I could be mistaken.

 

 

The below has been mentioned in the change log and would like to highlight some points:

 

Mechanic:

 

 Metal Armor

• (PVE/PVP) Cooldown reduced from 15 seconds to 5 seconds;
• (PVE) Defense Boost reduced from 80% to 56%;
• (PVP) Max Damage Boost reduced from 56% to 40%.

 

I believe by Damage Boost what is meant here is Defense Boost? I could be mistaken, maybe it is something else.

 

 Mechanic Bomb

• (PVP) Damage Boost reduced from 27% to 11%.

 

This is a 60% Damage nerf. This has officially become the weakest skill in Wartale..11% (PVP) damage boost should not even be a skill I feel like it is a waste of a skill slot for only 11% (PVP). I believe this is a bit too aggressive for a nerf, especially that this skill was the only counter attack to a ranger for mechs with a huge range difference between a ranger vs mechs it is almost impossible for a mechanic to attack a ranger. I would strongly suggest a revisit on this. 

 

Again, thank you so much for your listening to all of us and considering all aspects.

 

Regards,

A fellow Wartale player

Edited February 22, 2022 by lt1genv

[RoZilla 123]

Latest patch

 

Wartale staff, thank you a billion! Not only for the rework done in the game formula, but also for the fact that you went deep into your approach to achieving game balance by going far and redesigning the game formula. I understand that is not a simple process of plug'n play and just change. And I have to say the formula change has been amazing! We are grateful for your efforts. It sparked the life in Wartale, we are now seeing more melees then before.

 

+1. It's truly great to see the server with so many different classes. You guys did a fantastic job

 

 

 

[Mayreen 950]

12 minutes ago, lt1genv said:

Latest patch

 

Wartale staff, thank you a billion! Not only for the rework done in the game formula, but also for the fact that you went deep into your approach to achieving game balance by going far and redesigning the game formula. I understand that is not a simple process of plug'n play and just change. And I have to say the formula change has been amazing! We are grateful for your efforts. It sparked the life in Wartale, we are now seeing more melees then before.

True, thank you so much, staff! ?

 

13 minutes ago, lt1genv said:

The duration has been significantly decreased down to 1.5 minutes which translates into a nerf, again I am not sure if this was an intentional change since it was not mentioned in the change log. Assassin nowadays, are not one of the 'popular' classes for various reasons, and with that huge decrease in duration in one of the skills that is a trademark for all assassins, it is has been a difficult patch to cope with for assassins.

+1

[TigerShark22 489]

There are 2 problems with assassins:

1. 2 142+24 daggers are expensive ( and it's too hard to get a perf dagger due to block)

While most players are PVErs only, so its not worth the investment ( pay more for less in PVE).

 

2. The lack of an AOE for a party play.

RN maybe SS became more accepting for melees, yet LC is mostly tanker+ rangers/magic.

 

In easy mob, everyone can be accepted( yet slight advantage to rangers/magic)

 

But in hard mode, only a pike can be accepted to the party due to tornado's big range and area.

Pretty much bs, ass and fs can't participate in LC hard mode ( or any activity of the sort) and that's a minus.( For assassin I believe its easy to balance with her fire skill, just increase the range from 50 to 150-200, but for fs/bs its gonna be tough, can maybe determine a spesific area for dungeons?)

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 22, 2022 by TigerShark22

[moobie1988 1,233]

+1

[moobie1988 1,233]

On 2/22/2022 at 2:14 PM, lt1genv said:

 Mechanic Bomb

• (PVP) Damage Boost reduced from 27% to 11%.

 

This is a 60% Damage nerf. This has officially become the weakest skill in Wartale..11% (PVP) damage boost should not even be a skill I feel like it is a waste of a skill slot for only 11% (PVP). I believe this is a bit too aggressive for a nerf, especially that this skill was the only counter attack to a ranger for mechs with a huge range difference between a ranger vs mechs it is almost impossible for a mechanic to attack a ranger. I would strongly suggest a revisit on this. 

 

 

Seriously at lvl 10. I think this skill should just be changed. 

@Overlady

[lt1genv 493]

2 hours ago, moobie1988 said:

 

 

Seriously at lvl 10. I think this skill should just be changed. 

@Overlady

 

To put this into perspective,

 

A priestess skill, at level 1 has more than triple the damage than that the mechanic bomb at level 10. 

 

Holy Bolt

Attacks the enemy with a holy bolt

Required Level: 12

Required Items: Wands

Type: Attack

 

Level	Damage Boost	Range	Cooldown (sec)	MP Usage	SP Usage	Upgrade Fee (gp)
1	37%	170	0.5	14	11	1,000

 

 

Meanwhile Level 10 bomb sits at 11%.

[moobie1988 1,233]

maybe they should change the bomb into a stun bomb or something if that is the damage.

[xkintaro 1,759]

36 minutes ago, lt1genv said:

 

To put this into perspective,

 

A priestess skill, at level 1 has more than triple the damage than that the mechanic bomb at level 10. 

 

Holy Bolt

Attacks the enemy with a holy bolt

Required Level: 12

Required Items: Wands

Type: Attack

 

Level	Damage Boost	Range	Cooldown (sec)	MP Usage	SP Usage	Upgrade Fee (gp)
1	37%	170	0.5	14	11	1,000

 

 

Meanwhile Level 10 bomb sits at 11%.

 

can't compare, each class has a different attack power than the other class.

[moobie1988 1,233]

yah but 11% at level 10 is it even worth 10 skill points?

or even 1

[lt1genv 493]

54 minutes ago, xkintaro said:

 

can't compare, each class has a different attack power than the other class.

show me a skill in any char that does 11% dmg boost at lv10 ? regardless of class. 

[BigFoot 375]

On 2/22/2022 at 3:14 PM, lt1genv said:

 Mechanic Bomb

• (PVP) Damage Boost reduced from 27% to 11%.

 

This is a 60% Damage nerf. This has officially become the weakest skill in Wartale..11% (PVP) damage boost should not even be a skill I feel like it is a waste of a skill slot for only 11% (PVP). I believe this is a bit too aggressive for a nerf, especially that this skill was the only counter attack to a ranger for mechs with a huge range difference between a ranger vs mechs it is almost impossible for a mechanic to attack a ranger. I would strongly suggest a revisit on this.

This skill is a total broken skill. It can kill easily even with 27% damage boost.

Maybe change it to a stun skill will be better. So ms can be a true tanker with a stun skill.

[lt1genv 493]

29 minutes ago, BigFoot said:

This skill is a total broken skill. It can kill easily even with 27% damage boost.

Maybe change it to a stun skill will be better. So ms can be a true tanker with a stun skill.

I do not want to even respond to that. 

 

[drakethebest 128]

17 minutes ago, lt1genv said:

I do not want to even respond to that. 

 

 

 

I Dont think they will ever revert the mechanic bom AOE skill , because they mentioned before area of damage skills should not do much damage... thats why they nerfed brawlers aoe that caused trouble, they nerfed the ks aoe that almost 1 hit you.... only fair that they had to nerf the mechanic bombs aoe .

 

Realistically these bombs were doing massive damage to all players in the area , way to much damage for area of damage skill. 

 

 

The mech's main pvp skill should never be the mechanic bomb ^^

Edited February 24, 2022 by drakethebest
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[lt1genv 493]

7 minutes ago, drakethebest said:

 

 

I Dont think they will ever revert the mechanic bom AOE skill , because they mentioned before area of damage skills should not do much damage... thats why they nerfed brawlers aoe that caused trouble, they nerfed the ks aoe that almost 1 hit you.... only fair that they had to nerf the mechanic bombs aoe .

 

Realistically these bombs were doing massive damage to all players in the area , way to much damage for area of damage skill. 

 

 

The mech's main pvp skill should never be the mechanic bomb ^^

thank you for shedding some light

[kenibok 1,059]

On 2/24/2022 at 11:19 AM, BigFoot said:

This skill is a total broken skill. It can kill easily even with 27% damage boost.

Maybe change it to a stun skill will be better. So ms can be a true tanker with a stun skill.

 

I actually like this idea a lot? +1