Archer's defense

[kenibok 1,075]

15 minutes ago, HollyShot said:

"as should be secondary and suport class"

yeah you finally admit it, that's the mindset of who is asking more nerf in a class that is already bad, you don't want a class balance, you want rangers to be less, worst, and no chance to kill anyone solo. That is how priston was 15 years ago when only pikes and fs could enjoy pvp, but not anymore. And i don't think thats what staff wants, cuz simple rangers players would q~uit game and pvp of wartale would be pathetic. 

Lol exactly,

the same ~3 people repeating this over and over with 0 arguments its not even tiring anymore but funny

[drakethebest 128]

39 minutes ago, HollyShot said:

"as should be secondary and suport class"

yeah you finally admit it, that's the mindset of who is asking more nerf in a class that is already bad, you don't want a class balance, you want rangers to be less, worst, and no chance to kill anyone solo. That is how priston was 15 years ago when only pikes and fs could enjoy pvp, but not anymore. And i don't think thats what staff wants, cuz simple rangers players would q~uit game and pvp of wartale would be pathetic. 

 

 

If you consider archers current tanking abilities as secondary compared to other classes this is where you fall short The problem is archers tanking abilities are above secondary they are on par with many other tanking classes when archers use shield 1 hand bow. No one cares to much about archers damage, they care about how well archers tank against other melee players and how its likely  that the archer will kill the melee opponent before the melee opponent can kill the ranger. In the initial video you see berseker struggling to land decent hits on this archer we are not saying we want archer dead in 2 hits, but the amount of miss hits on a archer is way too high leaving a higher advantage that the archer will come out victorious in the scenario of a 1vs1 battle with a melee player.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 26, 2022 by drakethebest
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[SnakePH 16]

Just because u cant kill them doesnt mean their class need to fix bro.

Edited February 26, 2022 by SnakePH

[HollyShot 1,005]

21 minutes ago, drakethebest said:

 

 

If you consider archers current tanking abilities as secondary compared to other classes this is where you fall short The problem is archers tanking abilities are above secondary they are on par with many other tanking classes when archers use shield 1 hand bow. No one cares to much about archers damage, they care about how well archers tank against other melee players and how its likely  that the archer will kill the melee opponent before the melee opponent can kill the ranger. In the initial video you see berseker struggling to land decent hits on this archer we are not saying we want archer dead in 2 hits, but the amount of miss hits on a archer is way too high leaving a higher advantage that the archer will come out victorious in the scenario of a 1vs1 battle with a melee player.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You are right AS can be tanker using armor but the damage in this way is so low (~1.4k critic) that the class doesnt become broken (just out of what should be). Thats the problem with so many nerfs we had in our damage, the main characteristic of rangers that is the high atk power is so bad that most archers are choosing just to play with tanker build and expect to kill someone that is being atked by others (giving the last hit but not killing alone). 

You want rangers fragile, i can agree with that if we had the possibility of killing someone before they touch us, but thats not what is happening, we have bad damage and if nerf our evade will be bad tankers too. We already had a nerf in ~600 defense in last patch and we would be d~ying much more if the staff didn't nerf everyone's damage, there is a topic asking back the dmg of all classes anyway. 

I don't like what archers have become, a tanker class but thats the only thing we have left since we have no dmg anymore, cuepy build is useless now. Ppl want us fragile but can't accept rangers with high damage, they want all bad so they dont have to worry about these two classes.

Edited February 26, 2022 by HollyShot

[drakethebest 128]

17 minutes ago, HollyShot said:

You are right AS can be tanker using armor but the damage in this way is so low (~1.4k critic) that the class doesnt become broken (just out of what should be). Thats the problem with so many nerfs we had in our damage, the main characteristic of rangers that is the high atk power is so bad that most archers are choosing just to play with tanker build and expect to kill someone that is being atked by others (giving the last hit but not killing alone). 

You want rangers fragile, i can agree with that if we had the possibility of killing someone before they touch us, but thats not what is happening, we have bad damage and if nerf our evade will be bad tankers too. We already had a nerf in ~600 defense in last patch and we would be d~ying much more if the staff didn't nerf everyone's damage, there is a topic asking back the dmg of all classes anyway. 

I don't like what archers have become, a tanker class but thats the only thing we have left since we have no dmg anymore, cuepy build is useless now. Ppl want us fragile but can't accept rangers with high damage, they want all bad so they dont have to worry about these two classes.

 

 

Hello,

 

I understand your arguments. People can accept rangers with high damage , i think the struggle is finding the sweet spot of how much an archer should be able to tank and 

that power is left with staff of this game. Afterall this is a private server so staff can decide how they would like each class to be and what their strengths and weakness are. 

 

 

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

On 2/26/2022 at 9:00 PM, HollyShot said:

"as should be secondary and suport class"

yeah you finally admit it, that's the mindset of who is asking more nerf in a class that is already bad, you don't want a class balance, you want rangers to be less, worst, and no chance to kill anyone solo. That is how priston was 15 years ago when only pikes and fs could enjoy pvp, but not anymore. And i don't think thats what staff wants, cuz simple rangers players would q~uit game and pvp of wartale would be pathetic. 

 

 

Edited February 28, 2022 by DeadlyWarrior

[HollyShot 1,005]

5 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

You guys dont want balance. You will never be honest. You love to trashtalk in BC with your 160 AS using mixed costume and shield, while other are 164/165 with 144+24 Armor, Shield, Cenlon Brace, Full Gems and Relics. Game is unbalanced. If you are same level same items you can talk. We all know you use mix costume, mixed shield and also lag, and a very bad players that love to trashtalk and say bad words to other. Thanks to block dont have to see your shijt childish talk in BC

you should shut up about items, your char is one the weakest that comes bc, no draxos, no relics, trash items, trash build, you are noob playing and you think you should kill everyone, you can't so you come cry in forum pretending the problem is the balance and not you and yr char.

Edited February 26, 2022 by HollyShot

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

On 2/26/2022 at 7:14 PM, kenibok said:

 

I think... this is not a good post for you bro ?

 

1. You're iced + holy mind most of the time

2.This as received more hits than it evaded

3. You're being attacked by 4-3 people and surviving, minute 00:18+

4. You're being attacked by 4-3 people and surviving, while attacking

5. That player has many (or full) 144 set, also relics (tulle, greedy+), while also having prs support, I really don't understand how you think there's anything wrong, not instantly dy1ng?

6. Since you discovered Divine cleansing yesterday, you should be able to notice its effects now

7. Fast-judging, you got more hits into the archer than the archer to you, also your hits were higher, while getting damage and debuff from 3-2 players

8. Last player is an atalanta, not an archer

9. You killed both players, last one in 1 hit.

 

Are you complaining about fighter? because the only clear tanker here is fighter. Its kinda weird to see you hitting 1.6-1.9k at lvl 154 while also tanking 4-3 players?

 

 

Evasion is non-additive, mentioning this 4 things (draxos, buffs, evade scrolls, relics) is just ignorant, archer doesn't get "tankier" than you or anyone gets by these things, extra evasion works the exact same way for every class. I know you're new to the game, but its not your first post, so its time for you to start understanding how the game works.

 

 

On 2/26/2022 at 10:36 PM, HollyShot said:

you should shut up about items, your char is one the weakest that comes bc, no draxos, trash items, trash build, you are noob playing and you think you should kill everyone, you can't so you come cry in forum pretending the problem is the balance an

 

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Edited February 28, 2022 by DeadlyWarrior

[HollyShot 1,005]

7 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

You always talk non sense to defend your class. But GM already said that Archer will recieve a balance in next patch finally: the second 23% Evade will only work in 2h weapoj not anymore in 1h. Enjoy your OP Class as long you can

 

My items better then your noob items and my draxos 99% perf... But  you use sol-mixed-shield we know it and you use mixed costume ? your a shijt player but once its balanced one day you will feel that you played an OP class. Then you will not be able to compete agaimst 164/165 classes with full relics gems centlon brace gems and all (and i have access to accounts thanks to good friends)... Therefore i know that your Archer with low gear mixed costume mixed shield is just OP. Also my char with full items and draxos boots will stomp on your face

 

just 1 relic buy all your garb char, go learn how pvp works, equip yr char than come here crying about how every class rape you and ask for nerf. 

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

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Edited February 26, 2022 by DeadlyWarrior

[kenibok 1,075]

7 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

You always talk non sense to defend your class. But GM already said that Archer will recieve a balance in next patch finally: the second 23% Evade will only work in 2h weapoj not anymore in 1h. Enjoy your OP Class as long you can

 

My items better then your noob items and my draxos 99% perf... But  you use sol-mixed-shield we know it and you use mixed costume ? your a shijt player but once its balanced one day you will feel that you played an OP class. Then you will not be able to compete agaimst 164/165 classes with full relics gems centlon brace gems and all (and i have access to accounts thanks to good friends)... Therefore i know that your Archer with low gear mixed costume mixed shield is just OP. Also my char with full items and draxos boots will stomp on your face

 

 

So much tears and emotions of you wasted in this game and still not a single synapse made in the right direction, never made 1 sane sentence. You cry about every single class you play and every single class that kills you, now even shaman, priestess, ks. Your words are clear, you don't care about balance, you just want anyone that "hurt" you punished, #nerf all buff pike

 

Oh and believe me honey, we know when its you playing those characters, just obvious when they play average and one day same char just can't get up? ? and you still think the problem is everyone else and everything else

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

 

 

Edited February 28, 2022 by DeadlyWarrior

[kaitonkiz1995 22]

1 minute ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

Yea its about items and level right? Man you want to fool who? i tried many chars and classes with different level and items

Archers are OP. Your Archer with mixed noob items can play because its OP. GM already said it will get a Nerf in Next patch. Then you will feel the difference between well geared classes high level and your trash archer with mixed low gear

If As is op like u said. You can go change to AS and pvp with the FS class

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

On 2/26/2022 at 10:51 PM, kenibok said:

 

So much tears and emotions of you wasted in this game and still not a single synapse made in the right direction, never made 1 sane sentence. You cry about every single class you play and every single class that kills you, now even shaman, priestess, ks. Your words are clear, you don't care about balance, you just want anyone that "hurt" you punished, #nerf all buff pike

 

Oh and believe me honey, we know when its you playing those characters, just obvious when they play average and one day same char just can't get up? ? and you still think the problem is everyone else and everything else

 

 

On 2/26/2022 at 10:53 PM, kaitonkiz1995 said:

If As is op like u said. You can go change to AS and pvp with the FS class

 

 

Edited February 28, 2022 by DeadlyWarrior

[kaitonkiz1995 22]

1 minute ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

go cry at GM in the private message and pray to him you pride less praying to GM to help your class. but justice will come soon, this shijt cant happen for long time players are aware of this shijt what is happening

 

I can, but its my choice to play the class i want to play. i dont need to play it only because its OP, thats your logic but not my

full relic + cetlon brac with AS will be ops

[HollyShot 1,005]

6 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

the first isnt your char, the second we can see how trash you are, items 140, no relics, no power ups, you wont kill the strongest players with this char, at least not as much as you want, equip your char, improve your skills and build than come give opinions. 

6 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

Yea its about items and level right? Man you want to fool who? i tried many chars and classes with different level and items

Archers are OP. Your Archer with mixed noob items can play because its OP. GM already said it will get a Nerf in Next patch. Then you will feel the difference between well geared classes high level and your trash archer with mixed low gear

you tried many chars, but i never seen you playing As, i would love to see your great performance in a such OP class. We would be sure that the problem is the class not your skills.

[covidkilla 414]

5 minutes ago, HollyShot said:

the first isnt your char, the second we can see how trash you are, items 140, no relics, no power ups, you wont kill the strongest players with this char, at least not as much as you want, equip your char, improve your skills and build than come give opinions. 

you tried many chars, but i never seen you playing As, i would love to see your great performance in a such OP class. We would be sure that the problem is the class not your skills.

 

 

Items 140 are good enough in this game, your saying because he has 140 gears that means hes trash

doesnt your archer equip a 138 bow?  most archers before patch are playing with costumes and mixed low level shields... how do you justify your argument ?

 

There is a reason why so many archers took over the server ,it was the cheapest class to build takes very little kc to make a archer good.

 

And takes many more coins to make melee's good.

 

 

Edited February 26, 2022 by covidkilla
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[DeadlyWarrior 688]

On 2/26/2022 at 10:56 PM, HollyShot said:

the first isnt your char, the second we can see how trash you are, items 140, no relics, no power ups, you wont kill the strongest players with this char, at least not as much as you want, equip your char, improve your skills and build than come give opinions. 

you tried many chars, but i never seen you playing As, i would love to see your great performance in a such OP class. We would be sure that the problem is the class not your skills.

 

Edited February 28, 2022 by DeadlyWarrior

[HollyShot 1,005]

3 minutes ago, covidkilla said:

 

 

Items 140 are good enough in this game, your saying because he has 140 gears that means hes trash ? when most archers before patch are playing with costumes and mixed low level shields... how do you justify your argument ?

 

There is a reason why so many archers took over the server ,it was the cheapest class to build takes very little kc to make a archer good.

 

And takes many more coins to make melee's good.

 

 

it's good items to play but not enough compared to the strongest players of pvp, and that is not my point, he thinks he should kill everyone (especially rangers) easily when to be strong in wartale pvp right now the minimum you must have is Tulla relic. And thats the minimum, there are many players full 144/relics/triadics+2, etc. He wants compare himself with me and other players when he should compare players with similar items. Till few weeks ago he didnt even have a draxos (idk if he has or are sharing), ofc he will get fkd in pvp.

[covidkilla 414]

3 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

You can show us now your items ? but we know you will not do it because you use mixed costume and mixed shield. Again your AS only lvl 160 i already tried 158 160 162 164 and 165 chars against you with full items, we know your full of shijt. you dont need to teach me anything because the game i played when you were drinking Milk before sleeping

you dont know anything about my char, i use many power ups when i go BC. The thing is that Archer is OP and have many advantages against other classes. Yet for some reason Archers never recieved a nerf, even in the last patches before NEVER. because you and Dereeck PM the GM directly and pray to him as he is your God or something....

 

 

They will never show you their items because once they show us, all that they have been arguing about gets thrown in the garbage. They dont want to show us the cuepy costumes or the mix shield. Because then how will they justify why they are still so tanky with these noob items 

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

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Edited February 28, 2022 by DeadlyWarrior

[covidkilla 414]

1 minute ago, HollyShot said:

it's good items to play but not enough compared to the strongest players of pvp, and that is not my point, he thinks he should kill everyone (especially rangers) easily when to be strong in wartale pvp right now the minimum you must have is Tulla relic. And thats the minimum, there are many players full 144/relics/triadics+2, etc. He wants compare himself with me and other players when he should compare players with similar items. Till few weeks ago he didnt even have a draxos (idk if he has or are sharing), ofc he will get fkd in pvp.

 

 

Please at least be realistic about the items 140 items can kill full 142/144 geared classes... its been done numerous times. my 152 assasin 140 items can kill noob ata 171, certain classes that have 140 items 

 

like pike , assasin and other classes dont need 142/144  

 

Edited February 26, 2022 by covidkilla
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[DeadlyWarrior 688]

On 2/26/2022 at 11:05 PM, HollyShot said:

it's good items to play but not enough compared to the strongest players of pvp, and that is not my point, he thinks he should kill everyone (especially rangers) easily when to be strong in wartale pvp right now the minimum you must have is Tulla relic. And thats the minimum, there are many players full 144/relics/triadics+2, etc. He wants compare himself with me and other players when he should compare players with similar items. Till few weeks ago he didnt even have a draxos (idk if he has or are sharing), ofc he will get fkd in pvp.

Aa

Edited February 28, 2022 by DeadlyWarrior

[HollyShot 1,005]

10 minutes ago, covidkilla said:

 

 

Please at least be realistic about the items 140 items can kill full 142/144 geared classes... its been done numerous times. my 152 assasin 140 items can kill noob ata 171, certain classes that have 140 items 

 

like pike , assasin and other classes dont need 142/144  

 

yes even one pike 13x can kill 16x but how many times he will die trying? use your brain kid 

[covidkilla 414]

9 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

yea a higher level then you with better items and full relics have problems to kill your 160 Archer a ARCHER that should be the WEAKEST CLASS in SURVIVAL... But you can 1-2 shot everyone that is your logic of balance... Even now with new Formulars its still OP. It need the nerf in the Evade. Then you will have long nights to pray to GM or sell your soul to the devil maybe he give you back OP Archer

 

 

@HollyShot

 

 

I'm going to be brutally honest with you,

 

You are a level 160 archer with some relics , decent gears. There is nothing incredibly special about your archer that makes her some pro pvp player , you have just taken advantage of  the OP class and the lags and that's fine.

 

 

There are lvl 162-165 classes full 142-144 gears full gems full relics cent brace who are MELEE players who still struggle to kill you while you are destroying them. Your reason is always because we dont know how to play our characters... like enough is enough

 

 

After all these months how can you still try to justify that your archer 160 wearing a cuepy should be able to compete against a players who has spent 100s of thousands of kc to get top gears that's a melee player.

 

 

People are waking up, its no secret . Im glad staff will make further changes to archers

 

 

 

Edited February 26, 2022 by covidkilla
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