Archer's defense

[HollyShot 968]

9 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

yea a higher level then you with better items and full relics have problems to kill your 160 Archer a ARCHER that should be the WEAKEST CLASS in SURVIVAL... But you can 1-2 shot everyone that is your logic of balance... Even now with new Formulars its still OP. It need the nerf in the Evade. Then you will have long nights to pray to GM

AS is the weakest class to survive, unless she sacrifices all her points to use armor and health, than she will have ~1.4k dmg in critical, when all other melee are tanker and hits over 2.2k. And tbh i think you will be banned for spamming the forum soon and we will see who will cry to gm.

4 minutes ago, covidkilla said:

 

 

@HollyShot

 

 

I'm going to be brutally honest with you,

 

You are a level 160 archer with some relics , decent gears. There is nothing incredibly special about your archer that makes her some pro pvp player , you have just taken advantage of  the OP class and the lags and that's fine.

 

 

There are lvl 162-165 classes full 142-144 gears full gems full relics cent brace who are MELEE players who still struggle to kill you while you are destroying them. Your reason is always because we dont know how to play our characters... like enough is enough

 

 

After all these months how can you still try to justify that your archer 160 wearing a cuepy should be able to compete against a players who has spent 100s of thousands of kc to get top gears that's a melee player.

 

 

 

dear if you wanna take it personal, dont forget how much you used to s*ck me when you didnt become a traitor, so please stay quiet in give your opinions about me, cuz i have alot to say about you.  My as is full 144, i just need 1 relic and 1 bracelet to have all top items of the game. And yes, i have cuepy to play both builds, unlike you when you used to play as i have skill for playing both styles. Don't come talk what you dont know. 

[kenibok 1,059]

3 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

go cry at GM in the private message and pray to him you pride less praying to GM to help your class. but justice will come soon, this shijt cant happen for long time players are aware of this shijt what is happening

 

I can, but its my choice to play the class i want to play. i dont need to play it only because its OP, thats your logic but not my

 

xddd "justice" man its a game, hello?

You come talk about pride good, whatever I do is because I believe in it and have proofs for it; and well your pride? man open your eyes, you're a kid that dropped its candy and is blaming the wind

 

16 hours ago, redsky272 said:

Received hit = 7

Evade = 18

 

Archer received 13 hits in fact, got into about 60%+ of the hits

Your fighter received 80 hits and blocked/evaded/defended 62, take a couple or add a couple, you received about 23% of the hits. I insist, this video doesn't favor fs

[covidkilla 414]

4 minutes ago, HollyShot said:

AS is the weakest class to survive, unless she sacrifices all her points to use armor and health, than she will have ~1.4k dmg in critical, when all other melee are tanker and hits over 2.2k. And tbh i think you will be banned for spamming the forum soon and we will see who will cry to gm.

dear if you wanna take it personal, dont forget how much you used to s*ck me when you didnt become a traitor, so please stay quiet in give your opinions about me, cuz i have alot to say about you.  My as is full 144, i just need 1 relic and 1 bracelet to have all top items of the game. And yes, i have cuepy to play both builds, unlike you when you used to play as i have skill for playing both styles. Don't come talk what you dont know. 

 

 

About how i said you were the best archer in game over a year ago, yes you are the best archer in game I have no problem saying that ^^ 

 

I do have a problem with thinking a cuepy archer is suitable to compete with a fighter class full 144 relics cent gems. 

[HollyShot 968]

3 minutes ago, covidkilla said:

 

 

About how i said you were the best archer in game over a year ago, yes you are the best archer in game I have no problem saying that ^^ 

 

I do have a problem with thinking a cuepy archer is suitable to compete with a fighter class full 144 relics cent gems. 

it's not, Archers using cuepy have low chance 1v1 against melee, it's a build to use in confortable situation (overnumber) or against players with worst items like crygeta.

[covidkilla 414]

Just now, HollyShot said:

it's not, Archers using cuepy have low chance 1v1 against melee, it's a build to use in confortable situation (overnumber) or against players with worst items like crygeta.

 

 

okay so you tell me then,

 

What do you think should change about archers defense abilities, do you want more or less or are you happy with the way she sits at the moment ? 

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

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Edited February 28, 2022 by DeadlyWarrior

[HollyShot 968]

3 minutes ago, covidkilla said:

 

 

okay so you tell me then,

 

What do you think should change about archers defense abilities, do you want more or less or are you happy with the way she sits at the moment ? 

let me tell you what i think, rangers should follow their characteristics, it means having a high atk power and low resistence, the problem is with so many nerfs we had in our atk power we can't have a decent play style with cuepy, it means the only thing left we have right now is playing tanker with armor and health. It's not AS style to be tanker and low damage but thats the only way to play pvp AS right now. 

My suggestion would be increase the atk power and nerf the evade. But archers haters don't accept any buffs in our atk power and the staff instead of testing is going for what most ppl is saying. If nerf also the evade without any buff in our damage the class will literally be useless, wont kill wont tank, thats why im against it.

Atalanta has a different problem, her atk rating after the nerf became the same of melee wich isnt fair for them cuz they are far from melee atk power in vengeance.

[Keshy 1,385]

3 minutes ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

AS can survive too good with Drax Boots and Costume Summer/Cuepy Sol Finess + Sol-Block-Shield + Points into VIT. The Problem is the second 23% Evade buff that should only work in the 2h weapon not in 1h weapon+shield.

 

For Pike 

- Evade nerfed

- Venom Spear nerfed

- Tornado nerfed

- JumpCrash nerfed (was OP agree) 

- new Formulars same effect for all expect agility classes

- 60% critical dmg instead of 70% + modifer dmf lowered so not a buff in DMG in CL and SM

 

Explain to me what Buff Pike got and where is the balance now? Archers, Ata and Shaman got nerfs reverted. 

 

 

 

you understand that the balance updates are to make the classes "similar" right? why the name CLASS BALANCING?

 

I see you all the time complaining about the PS that nerfed this and that but did you notice that the PS continues to kill well (even taking the jump)?

[covidkilla 414]

1 minute ago, HollyShot said:

let me tell you what i think, rangers should follow their characteristics, it means having a high atk power and low resistence, the problem is with so many nerfs we had in our atk power we can't have a decent play style with cuepy, it means the only thing left we have right now is playing tanker with armor and health. It's not AS style to be tanker and low damage but thats the only way to play pvp AS right now. 

My suggestion would be increase the atk power and nerf the evade. But archers haters don't accept any buffs in our atk power and the staff instead of testing is going for what most ppl is saying. If nerf also the evade without any buff in our damage the class will literally be useless, wont kill wont tank, thats why im against it.

Atalanta has a different problem, her atk rating after the nerf became the same of melee wich isnt fair for them cuz they are far from melee atk power in vengeance.

 

 

100% agreed for the increase atk power if it means nerf the evade. This is how i always thought it should be. Who cares if archers have incredible damage its what's expected when you are an archer as long as the evade reduces and makes the archer more vulnerable makes them run more makes them stay in 1 spot less then this is feasible to me. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[drakethebest 128]

8 minutes ago, covidkilla said:

 

 

100% agreed for the increase atk power if it means nerf the evade. This is how i always thought it should be. Who cares if archers have incredible damage its what's expected when you are an archer as long as the evade reduces and makes the archer more vulnerable makes them run more makes them stay in 1 spot less then this is feasible to me. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if added att power went to archers the nerf on evade has to be sufficient enough, and given in previous history i dont see this plan working out well in terms of staff making it happen properly . 

[-ZeusRox- 20]

17 hours ago, redsky272 said:

 

 

 

About the video only, because the rest i dont read, im so sorry.

 

 

I need to speak 2 facts here before start to speak about the video properly.  

 

Number 1 : I look now AS/ATA can tank a lot and so better in compair to the beggin days in to this patch. Its one fact.

 

Number 2 : FS deal less hit's in AS/ATA in compair to Necromancer (necromancer is very pointless blind /still blind before the maintenence)

 

 

Ok at point to the video : I dont know if about Greedy relic if i have or my biuld, idk but for me , at 4 hits i deal damage in 1 opportunity, BUT follow the damage aganist AS/ATA after pass a litle bit time, my hits deal more consistency damage until the momment if i kill AS.So, maybe the problem is your class or only your biuld (please full strong is dumb), and of corse lot's of AS players learning to play in this meta. 

 

 

The great error for every one is think AS player's is dumb, or do not have any inteligence for change your own biuld and start to use ARMOR/VIT.  

 

 

The fact is, the community generally has lot's os scare by archer and atalanta dominating again the meta, BUT SHE'S WILL!  This game is NERFTALE, in one moment staff will nerf melees and buff AS/ATA  its one very simple fact, so just relax.  

 

AS in this moment is more dificult to kill, a agree but as  @kenibok and @HollyShot says about it is rangers is very paper sleazy but she has a great damage.

 

 

Is impossible to AS/ATA has a great damage, because the ranger's in wartale has a very huge attack rating, and attack power and in the end she has also one speed attack incomparable in the game.  So, if it's true staff try now to low damage all ranger's and try to apply more defense/evade etc.

 

Unfortunately ranger's is a losing case or waste of time because in my conception dont have one awnser for balance this 2 classes. In one hand they have a great damage, and hit-kill a long range, in another hand they have evade/armor/biuld with vitality and shield....

 

 

Any one here have a resonable solution for this problem??? 

 

 

Maybe the archer player's and the atalanta's player can speak one good solution for solve the problem of rangers! 

 

 

Is possible the ranger's deal less damage but tank a litle bit more? It's fair ???  Is possible ranger's deal more damage but make it a glass cannon ???  What the better way? 

 

 

 

 

 

I think the best for all is listen archer's player's one way for a FAIR balancing for every one !  What the middle side? Any one awnser for any archer player???? 

 

 

Is about it... 

[- D E A T H S T R O K E - 1,760]

40 minutes ago, HollyShot said:

let me tell you what i think, rangers should follow their characteristics, it means having a high atk power and low resistence, the problem is with so many nerfs we had in our atk power we can't have a decent play style with cuepy, it means the only thing left we have right now is playing tanker with armor and health. It's not AS style to be tanker and low damage but thats the only way to play pvp AS right now. 

My suggestion would be increase the atk power and nerf the evade. But archers haters don't accept any buffs in our atk power and the staff instead of testing is going for what most ppl is saying. If nerf also the evade without any buff in our damage the class will literally be useless, wont kill wont tank, thats why im against it.

Atalanta has a different problem, her atk rating after the nerf became the same of melee wich isnt fair for them cuz they are far from melee atk power in vengeance.

I think the problem started with tulla relic & earrings+2, the hp over increased, that includes archer's Hp.

Maybe they should nerf her Hp formula significantly and increase the damage.

Edited February 26, 2022 by - D E A T H S T R O K E -

[redsky272 731]

1 hour ago, kenibok said:

 

Archer received 13 hits in fact, got into about 60%+ of the hits

Your fighter received 80 hits and blocked/evaded/defended 62, take a couple or add a couple, you received about 23% of the hits. I insist, this video doesn't favor fs

Where is 13 hits??? Lol, dont tell me you count the last one -atalanta in this video.
i play fighter so i know exactly when does he hit and get hit. 

 

 

2 hours ago, HollyShot said:

just 1 relic buy all your garb char, go learn how pvp works, equip yr char than come here crying about how every class rape you and ask for nerf. 

im full relic and i don’t think i have the right to trash talk ppl like this.

 

the way you talk only speak you are bad manner and lack of respect.

 

He maybe don’t have relic/item in game, doesnt say he’s not success or don’t have right to speak his opinion. 
 

 

 

 

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anyway, focus on the topic then.

Edited February 26, 2022 by redsky272

[HollyShot 968]

56 minutes ago, - D E A T H S T R O K E - said:

I think the problem started with tulla relic & earrings+2, the hp over increased, that includes archer's Hp.

Maybe they should nerf her Hp formula significantly and increase the damage.

I dont think hp formula is the problem, relic and earrings increased hp for all classes, i think benefited melee better than rangers. Rangers tank mostly because evd, but like i said it's the only thing left we have, since our dmg is garbage. 

29 minutes ago, redsky272 said:

Where is 13 hits??? Lol, dont tell me you count the last one -atalanta in this video.
i play fighter so i know exactly when does he hit and get hit. 

 

 

im full relic and i don’t think i have the right to trash talk ppl like this.

 

the way you talk only speak you are bad manner and lack of respect.

 

He maybe don’t have relic/item in game, doesnt say he’s not success or don’t have right to speak his opinion. 
 

 

 

 

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anyway, focus on the topic then.

1- I never said he can't give his opinion for having trash items

2- your boyfriend started talk about my items first, so i answer in the same level about his garb items, get your ****s together

3- Items ARE relevant for balance discuss since he is comparing his char with bad items with players that have many relics, etc. 

4- dont try talk about manner with me, you have no credibility to talk about respect when you are always saying how rich you are and how poor other players are.

[redsky272 731]

15 minutes ago, HollyShot said:

I dont think hp formula is the problem, relic and earrings increased hp for all classes, i think benefited melee better than rangers. Rangers tank mostly because evd, but like i said it's the only thing left we have, since our dmg is garbage. 

1- I never said he can't give his opinion for having trash items

2- your boyfriend started talk about my items first, so i answer in the same level about his garb items, get your ****s together

3- Items ARE relevant for balance discuss since he is comparing his char with bad items with players that have many relics, etc. 

4- dont try talk about manner with me, you have no credibility to talk about respect when you are always saying how rich you are and how poor other players are.

So far i dont trashtalk ppl, except Cryon and Deereck, Keath. I respect all of players.
Im just a normal player like other ppl and buying highend items like 144 or centlon bracs or relics doesnt say you are rich, lol, everyone can do that, and you too, one day when you mature, Kid.

 

Now i understand why you trashtalk a lot and call ppl stupid all the time.

 

I’m done with you, kid.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[fausty 28]

3 hours ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

 

Sí, se trata de artículos y nivel, ¿verdad? Hombre, ¿quieres engañar a quién? Probé muchos personajes y clases con diferentes niveles y elementos

. Los arqueros son OP. Tu arquero con artículos mixtos de novatos puede jugar porque es OP. GM ya dijo que obtendrá un Nerf en el próximo parche. Entonces sentirás la diferencia entre las clases bien equipadas de alto nivel y tu arquero basura con equipo bajo mixto.

At what point did the game spin to see who has the best items? one equips himself as he can and as he wants. It makes you stronger by equipping higher items, if it's stronger and more defense maybe... Atalanta and Archer being pure attack much better than with shield 144 and armor 144.
Managing the PVP and how one wins or loses a PVP is how one manages oneself. you can have items of any level and be good at pvp. IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE PLAYER.
and it doesn't make you a better player to display your items. just the opposite. if with everything you presume and still die... better call yourself to silence.

[Eisenmann 25]

archers tank well and kill well. have room for additional points for theirs builds too. obv. will outperfom melees . reduction in the evade and/or health is the only real solution. we had already rangertale for long time. when it will be fixed?

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

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Edited February 28, 2022 by DeadlyWarrior

[covidkilla 414]

 

 

 

7 hours ago, Eisenmann said:

archers tank well and kill well. have room for additional points for theirs builds too. obv. will outperfom melees . reduction in the evade and/or health is the only real solution. we had already rangertale for long time. when it will be fixed?

 

 

 +1 i think its time to give the evade a serious reduction

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 27, 2022 by covidkilla
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[drakethebest 128]

On 2/26/2022 at 1:21 PM, kenibok said:

 

 

Where do you get your data from? this is just false xd, pikeman with 21% evasion has much more probability of avoiding hits than archer, not even counting defense or dodge or hp formula

 

I leave you a clip of real tankers, sometimes they don't even need buffs! Enjoy the bonus and the one sided love story

Spoiler: I broke up ?

 

 

 

 

 

Creating a video that's mocking a player then posting it on forum , its just taking away the credibility of the point you are trying to make which is brawlers have great defense. Your caption to this video was '"brawlers suck ?''  ,  yes they suck check the rankings after todays SW and daily wars , brawlers come no where close to the amount of battle points other classes can achieve. That's why few brawlers in game. You know , i have read some of your other very informative posts about your suggestions which were very professional but this video takes away a lot of your CREDIBILITY because it shows that you are childish and who can trust a child ? 

 

Do you not think brawlers need great defense? they are slow snails , without defense they are useless. 

 

This video shows nothing to me, he said he went full health . and hes being attacked by players all at the same time, isn't the reason why you don't see crazy critical because the formula of damage changes when 5 players are attacking 1 player doesn't the damage of those players decrease to the 1 opponent who is being attack? 

 

And this dude is potting every single second, its not like hes just standing there, also who knows what build those attackers have they could be going no strength and reduce their damage to try to make this player look bad.

 

Point is we don't know what your intentions are with this video since you have poisoned it with humor, insults , jokes that were unnecessary.  This is the perfect example of fake media , trying to make something seem true when its the complete opposite .. in theory brawlers die at a normal rate in pvp especially wars and especially with certain classes attacking them , its no secret check the pvp rankings. If they are tank build of course we tank just like any other class but once they change to killer build they are very vulnerable. brawlers have very low abs under 300 , they have good block they have the block skill too and they have trash defense and they have the dmg reduction skill that got nerfed for pvp .... AND ZERO evade. 

 

 

If brawlers were able to do what you think they could do , it would reflect in the rankings and it would reflect in the classes people change too, there is a reason why so many people left their class after new balance from as/ata to ps fs and other classes and NOT brawler . There are many people who play this game only for pvp and still their choice wont be a brawler, please this is a public forum dont try to further spread misinformation to public this post was not the best you , we hope in future you make better choices with your public posts on 

forum

 

 

my fighter can destroy a brawler in pvp.

 

 

Thank you

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 27, 2022 by drakethebest
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[DeadlyWarrior 688]

On 2/27/2022 at 8:43 PM, drakethebest said:

 

 

 

 

Creating a video that's mocking a player then posting it on forum , its just taking away the credibility of the point you are trying to make which is brawlers have great defense. Your caption to this video was '"brawlers suck ?''  ,  yes they suck check the rankings after todays SW and daily wars , brawlers come no where close to the amount of battle points other classes can achieve. That's why few brawlers in game. You know , i have read some of your other very informative posts about your suggestions which were very professional but this video takes away a lot of your CREDIBILITY because it shows that you are childish and who can trust a child ? 

 

Do you not think brawlers need great defense? they are slow snails , without defense they are useless. 

 

This video shows nothing to me, he said he went full health . and hes being attacked by players all at the same time, isn't the reason why you don't see crazy critical because the formula of damage changes when 5 players are attacking 1 player doesn't the damage of those players decrease to the 1 opponent who is being attack? 

 

And this dude is potting every single second, its not like hes just standing there, also who knows what build those attackers have they could be going no strength and reduce their damage to try to make this player look bad.

 

Point is we don't know what your intentions are with this video since you have poisoned it with humor, insults , jokes that were unnecessary.  This is the perfect example of fake media , trying to make something seem true when its the complete opposite .. in theory brawlers die at a normal rate in pvp especially wars and especially with certain classes attacking them , its no secret check the pvp rankings. If they are tank build of course we tank just like any other class but once they change to killer build they are very vulnerable. brawlers have very low abs under 300 , they have good block they have the block skill too and they have trash defense and they have the dmg reduction skill that got nerfed for pvp .... AND ZERO evade. 

 

 

If brawlers were able to do what you think they could do , it would reflect in the rankings and it would reflect in the classes people change too, there is a reason why so many people left their class after new balance from as/ata to ps fs and other classes and NOT brawler . There are many people who play this game only for pvp and still their choice wont be a brawler, please this is a public forum dont try to further spread misinformation to public this post was not the best you , we hope in future you make better choices with your public posts on 

forum

 

 

my fighter can destroy a brawler in pvp.

 

 

Thank you

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 @redsky272

 

Edited February 28, 2022 by DeadlyWarrior

[DarkLink64 921]

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[Undisputed 94]

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