Virtual Machine vs Boosting in BC

[Neither 183]

2 hours ago, Support said:

 

I find this is interesting that you said we have no way to check it when I never said that. Let assuming it is true (it is not), you as game can know that they are using 3rd party and VM but can't prove it.

  

 

Topic - 1

 Let's start from begin, the video above show a prs using the skill that's a point to click heal.

If you do run a VM and click on someone and then exit the VM with the hostkey or whatever is called, your zombie mouse ll stay on the game window that allow the game to think the user is with the mouse actively on game window.

 

So you saying this is OK ? its not using any 3rd party software and using vm which is OK.

 

Topic - 2

Another topic is the use of auto click ingame, yes they have been patched, or did they ? what happen when you run a autoclick let's say on Host ( your main system ), and then open a VM let's call Zombie system, and then open Warale, how the game.exe can know there's a process running on host system ? this open a BIG window for macro/autoclickers.

 

So what i did say before

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So, what are you saying is: it’s ok to use 3rd party software and or VM AS LONG you are NOT AFK ?

 

The game allows it to happen NOT explicit BUT allow the tools to make it happen.

Is this case you have nothing to prove the user is using a 3rd program and the ONLY WAY you can check is by coming next to him and asking if theres a real person.

Or checking his logs to see a pattern, but i think is useless, since the game has a simple mechanic to f1,f2,f3,f4,f5 right clich twice, and after 5 min repeat.

 

So what im asking is to NOT ALLOW VM RUN WARTALE,

 

But there's the case of a macbook user that runs VBOX to play, what are the support beside windows wartale has ever given to another SO ? where's the linux included ? because this game simple CANNOT be run on linux, ( well it can but its horrible and time expensive ).

 

Can you understand what i'm proposing ? and WHY im proposing it ? 

Edited June 7, 2022 by Neither
mispell

[Boogieman 40]

8 minutes ago, Neither said:

 

Topic - 1

 Let's start from begin, the video above show a prs using the skill that's a point to click heal.

If you do run a VM and click on someone and then exit the VM with the hostkey or whatever is called, your zombie mouse ll stay on the game window that allow the game to think the user is with the mouse actively on game window.

 

So you saying this is OK ? its not using any 3rd party software and using vm which is OK.

 

Topic - 2

Another topic is the use of auto click ingame, yes they have been patched, or did they ? what happen when you run a autoclick let's say on Host ( your main system ), and then open a VM let's call Zombie system, and then open Warale, how the game.exe can know there's a process running on host system ? this open a BIG window for macro/autoclickers.

 

So what i did say before

 

The game allows it to happen NOT explicit BUT allow the tools to make it happen.

Is this case you have nothing to prove the user is using a 3rd program and the ONLY WAY you can check is by coming next to him and asking if theres a real person.

Or checking his logs to see a pattern, but i think is useless, since the game has a simple mechanic to f1,f2,f3,f4,f5 right clich twice, and after 5 min repeat.

 

So what im asking is to NOT ALLOW VM RUN WARTALE,

 

But there's the case of a macbook user that runs VBOX to play, what are the support beside windows wartale has ever given to another SO ? where's the linux included ? because this game simple CANNOT be run on linux, ( well it can but its horrible and time expensive ).

 

Can you understand what i'm proposing ? and WHY im proposing it ? 

 

 

 

I don't think they really care about this issue , my theory and its a theory.

 

 

There is a big RMT business using these machines , people use these machines do xp service receive the coins from players then they sell the coins in RMT. People probably do

this as a part-time job make extra money while not really doing much its the perfect part-time job.  1kc= maybe 9$ American dollars ... its a lucrative business.

 

 

Makes sense though when you see people in trade chats : S> 12 hour xp service , clearly these people are exploiting the game to make some real life money. 

 

 

my only concern is I don't know how the staff don't see this , or maybe they do but its just out of their control. 

 

 

That's why these type of machines shouldn't be allowed in these games . support might think its a small problem but allowing these machines leads to other problems like RMT market 

 

 

 

 

 

JUST  A THEORY   

[Neither 183]

1 minute ago, Boogieman said:

my only concern is I don't know how the staff don't see this , or maybe they do but its just out of their control. 

 

I would be more carefull if you want to stay in this game.

 

If they dont want to patch this, what can i do is use my free speech to say how its possible to be done and prey to be patched so i can enjoy my game with real ppl whilling to play a casual game, not a REAL LIFE PART TIME JOB.

 

Spoiler

16 minutes ago, Neither said:

 

Topic - 1

 Let's start from begin, the video above show a prs using the skill that's a point to click heal.

If you do run a VM and click on someone and then exit the VM with the hostkey or whatever is called, your zombie mouse ll stay on the game window that allow the game to think the user is with the mouse actively on game window.

 

So you saying this is OK ? its not using any 3rd party software and using vm which is OK.

 

Topic - 2

Another topic is the use of auto click ingame, yes they have been patched, or did they ? what happen when you run a autoclick let's say on Host ( your main system ), and then open a VM let's call Zombie system, and then open Warale, how the game.exe can know there's a process running on host system ? this open a BIG window for macro/autoclickers.

 

So what i did say before

 

The game allows it to happen NOT explicit BUT allow the tools to make it happen.

Is this case you have nothing to prove the user is using a 3rd program and the ONLY WAY you can check is by coming next to him and asking if theres a real person.

Or checking his logs to see a pattern, but i think is useless, since the game has a simple mechanic to f1,f2,f3,f4,f5 right clich twice, and after 5 min repeat.

 

So what im asking is to NOT ALLOW VM RUN WARTALE,

 

But there's the case of a macbook user that runs VBOX to play, what are the support beside windows wartale has ever given to another SO ? where's the linux included ? because this game simple CANNOT be run on linux, ( well it can but its horrible and time expensive ).

 

Can you understand what i'm proposing ? and WHY im proposing it ? 

 

DO FOLLOW AT YOU OWN RISK, IM NOT ENCOURAGING ANYONE TO BREAK RULES

[Boogieman 40]

2 hours ago, Support said:

It is a free World, I am not sure why would we stop people from playing 12hrs+ or 24hrs+ or telling people how to play their game.

 

 

13 minutes ago, Neither said:

I would be more carefull if you want to stay in this game.

 

 

well support said its a free world , if its a free world then reasonable freedom of speech is within the guidelines so no worries there! 

my post wasnt really a theory though because its actually happening in the game lol.

 

 

It's like having a dad who is an alcoholic but no one is allowed to talk about it so we keep it closed behind doors thats what this situation is like.

 

 

Its weird though typical players would see these machines in the game and think is this legal , i think since we learned it is legal staff should put it on their websites guide and it should say this :

 

 

" we also recommend using virtual machines for a faster easier leveling experience please click this link below to access the virtual machine ''

 

 

sounds crazy but its whats being allowed apparently.. 

Edited June 7, 2022 by Boogieman
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[Neither 183]

Spoiler

  

5 minutes ago, Boogieman said:

 

 

 

 

well support said its a free world , if its a free world then reasonable freedom of speech is within the guidelines so no worries there! 

my post wasnt really a theory though because its actually happening in the game lol.

 

 

It's like having a dad who is an alcoholic but no one is allowed to talk about it so we keep it closed behind doors thats what this situation is like.

 

 

Its weird though typical players would see these machines in the game and think is this legal , i think since we learned it is legal staff should put it on their websites guide it will say this:

 

 

" we also recommend using virtual machines for a faster easier leveling experience please click this link below to access the virtual machine ''

 

 

sounds crazy but its whats being allowed apparently.. 

 

 

 U GOT BALLS MAN, DAMN

 

 

 

Edited June 7, 2022 by Neither

[Senpai 839]

We are reviewing whether to block VM altogether or limit its abusefulness (thats actually not a word lol). Thanks boogieman for pointing out an important issue that requires attention

[Neither 183]

16 minutes ago, Senpai said:

We are reviewing whether to block VM altogether or limit its abusefulness (thats actually not a word lol). Thanks boogieman for pointing out an important issue that requires attention

 

@Senpai @Wartale @Support @Overlady

 

I think you guys should a little prio on this one.

 

 

 

damn, idk this was a feature but i googled for 5min and found this tools.

Those guys on SS and Ether must be raising some exp.....

 

Btw i didnt test this tool on my base system with an account to see if this give a ban or not ( or does work anyways ), someone could try for me ?

 

Oh, forgot to mention this autoclick was patched a long time ago, but i think is only a VM needed to work around.

 

 

( im sorry for my poor videos ) im not a youtuber anymore.

Edited June 7, 2022 by Neither

[Senpai 839]

It’s high priority now. We’ll block VM’s right now and review whether we need to change some monsters if playing has become too reliant on a prs like that.

[Neither 183]

Just now, Senpai said:

It’s high priority now. We’ll block VM’s right now and review whether we need to change some monsters if playing has become too reliant on a prs like that.

 

I COULD HAVE A CHILD WITH YOU RIGHT NOW ❤️ LOVE U

Forgot to mention that all connection should be restarted to apply the changes, since the ppl with can be exploit this ll not loggoff

 

[xunahyo 180]

You guys need to voice out your concerns and do not be afraid of questioning.
Yeah. To you and to me, as players ourselves, we knew it immediately how good or how easy it is that's why pilots can play 12hour everyday. 

But to GMs, all they can do is check player's response. That's all they do about it. 
They do NOT judge: the impact on gameplay, how easy and relax to just stare at screen and do nothing.
They do NOT judge: the impact on Casual players, how people run into SS and find it frustrating or even hate those Exp-service and 3rd party programme users.
They do NOT judge: is this RMT? 

They can only check but not judge. Now this post serve rather as a judgement for VM is allowed or not.

 

I still have a question is Coyote sarcasm and trolling.. xD how do you remember 2017 bug report.. omg
Somehow Coyote's plan succeeded, I mean I like the trolling, just did not expect the turn of events.

[Clem 1,244]

Heya,

 

I think it’s fair to block/limit VM for some reasons :

• it’s no sense to have 10 prs healings 3 chars 
• This game is designed to have 1 player per char (maybe 2 but not multiple account playing)
• There will still have some exp service (maybe less h24 exp service and maybe the price will increase a bit) 
• In the old times (SL / DIQ etc), it was working perfectly and people weren’t abusing VM
• Only Rich’s benefits those exp service 
• It broke the game balance : high donators get strongers by buying lvl, where others normal players (normal donators and non donators) can’t not afford the big diff getting a disadvantage 
• Most of the exp service that are using VM machine it’s by using RMT at the end. 
• It’s no sense to have a h24 players that are doing some exp service without using a pot (kind of bot/hacking)

 

—> The only good benefits it’s that it support the game for those who use coins shops (must be a minority). 
 

Clem.

Edited June 7, 2022 by Clem

[thisisrauldo 809]

5 hours ago, Senpai said:

We are reviewing whether to block VM altogether or limit its abusefulness (thats actually not a word lol). Thanks boogieman for pointing out an important issue that requires attention

 

miss u Senpai, HG hasnt been the same without u

[Boogieman 40]

5 hours ago, Senpai said:

We are reviewing whether to block VM altogether or limit its abusefulness (thats actually not a word lol). Thanks boogieman for pointing out an important issue that requires attention

 

 

Thanks for reviewing this , it definitely needed attention! hopefully you guys can figure out something about this Goodluck master senpai  

[xunahyo 180]

Actually some Rich don't go through CoinShop at a certain point.

 

Firstly, the super Rich need dedicated Exp-service, they stick to one service who can meet their 24hour needs. Eventually they get their contact in some apps, the Rich pay Exp-service directly.

 

Secondly, Exp-service always offer cheaper than CoinShop, they don't want Kcs, they need real money. It's troublesome to get Kcs and then sell Kcs again for real money. Eventually they contact their long-term Rich customer and offer cheaper service if Rich pay them directly.

 

Now both did many transactions, knew each other playe well and built up a trust over time, they will never go through CoinShop again. So.. basically CoinShop is out of picture in full-time Exp-service.

 

This is the truth, no need debate. Go join big clans and go into their apps. Service people just outright offer their service in group chat. Not limited by country, BR, VN, CN all have. But of course some Exp-service asking for Kcs are the real players, who need Kcs to up their own chars.

 

 

The problem is never Exp-service. You have it in every game. 
The problem is how far Exp-service with 3rd party programs destroy the game that Devs have to come in and intervene.

 

7 years ago, you would get ignored or warning point @you all.

Now is very clear: Exp-service has destroyed the game structure to a point of no-return.

 

Many normal players lost interest. They want to PvP but they can never catch-up. The Exp-service has made PvP to be 160+ with Top items and Relics. Yeah. 160+. But why Top items too? Because Exp-service pilots on Rich accounts for Exp 24hours, at same time loot Top items. So they NOT only sell Exp-service, but also Top items.

 

2022 now, we all, as normal players, can see that this server has reached a point of no-return. For me as example, I used to go BC with my clans. I don't do it now. I'm casual. 
Not because I don't want to PvP. But the requirements are too high. (but of course I'm lazy sometimes real life stuff)

 

I think some point in time, GMs here realized this too. Not just the server grows, GMs grow too. No other games are like this. 10 years ago, topics like this get hidden or warning. Now GMs are listening and undo their faults. How people are playing since 2017, 2018, 2019, especially Exp-service, has repercussion, has now manifested and make it obvious: game destruction. 

 

Over the years full-time Exp-service has perfected their 3rd party program. It get more efficient and more efficient.

 

It's lucky whoever is that lock Lv171. Good intuition and judgement. Otherwise people are 181 now. Money is money. Game is game. Game destroyed means forever destroyed. But money can be made as long as game is alive.

 

Exp-service is a double-edge sword. It helps server if Rich pay through CoinShop instead of private transaction. It also helps Casuals/Newcomers to buy Accounts cheap. Problem is too much of it: only Rich go to BC. Casuals, normal folks start to lose interest. Happen in a lot games. Eventually the Rich lost interest too. When game reach this point, it's NOT just point of no-return, it's a dead game. Dead game means it cannot be cured, cannot be repaired, faults cannot be undone.

 

This is a fact. You can go check many games out there that cater to the Rich only. All dies fast. There always need to be a balance between the Rich and the Poor, or the Hardcore and the Casual. That is what I call: game structure.

 

So just be happy server is still alive. We still have time to remedy. We still have time to cure, to repair. Many faults in the past can still be corrected. Of course, new map, totally the same from that Suggestion few years ago. GMs listened. GMs grow with the server. A remarkable feeling. 10 years ago, this feeling is not there. The mob spawn, the mob Exp, the new Q, GMs are trying to learn from mistake SL, SS, LC, and re-do that in new map. 

 

 

 

Sometimes you guys need to bring a good discussion and not afraid to post.

Otherwise I'm trying to help you here on why GMs should stop certain 3rd party program.

[Boogieman 40]

7 minutes ago, xunahyo said:

Actually some Rich don't go through CoinShop at a certain point.

 

Firstly, the super Rich need dedicated Exp-service, they stick to one service who can meet their 24hour needs. Eventually they get their contact in some apps, the Rich pay Exp-service directly.

 

Secondly, Exp-service always offer cheaper than CoinShop, they don't want Kcs, they need real money. It's troublesome to get Kcs and then sell Kcs again for real money. Eventually they contact their long-term Rich customer and offer cheaper service if Rich pay them directly.

 

Now both did many transactions, knew each other playe well and built up a trust over time, they will never go through CoinShop again. So.. basically CoinShop is out of picture in full-time Exp-service.

 

This is the truth, no need debate. Go join big clans and go into their apps. Service people just outright offer their service in group chat. Not limited by country, BR, VN, CN all have. But of course some Exp-service asking for Kcs are the real players, who need Kcs to up their own chars.

 

 

The problem is never Exp-service. You have it in every game. 
The problem is how far Exp-service with 3rd party programs destroy the game that Devs have to come in and intervene.

 

7 years ago, you would get ignored or warning point @you all.

Now is very clear: Exp-service has destroyed the game structure to a point of no-return.

 

Many normal players lost interest. They want to PvP but they can never catch-up. The Exp-service has made PvP to be 160+ with Top items and Relics. Yeah. 160+. But why Top items too? Because Exp-service pilots on Rich accounts for Exp 24hours, at same time loot Top items. So they NOT only sell Exp-service, but also Top items.

 

2022 now, we all, as normal players, can see that this server has reached a point of no-return. For me as example, I used to go BC with my clans. I don't do it now. I'm casual. 
Not because I don't want to PvP. But the requirements are too high. (but of course I'm lazy sometimes real life stuff)

 

I think some point in time, GMs here realized this too. Not just the server grows, GMs grow too. No other games are like this. 10 years ago, topics like this get hidden or warning. Now GMs are listening and undo their faults. How people are playing since 2017, 2018, 2019, especially Exp-service, has repercussion, has now manifested and make it obvious: game destruction. 

 

Over the years full-time Exp-service has perfected their 3rd party program. It get more efficient and more efficient.

 

It's lucky whoever is that lock Lv171. Good intuition and judgement. Otherwise people are 181 now. Money is money. Game is game. Game destroyed means forever destroyed. But money can be made as long as game is alive.

 

Exp-service is a double-edge sword. It helps server if Rich pay through CoinShop instead of private transaction. It also helps Casuals/Newcomers to buy Accounts cheap. Problem is too much of it: only Rich go to BC. Casuals, normal folks start to lose interest. Happen in a lot games. Eventually the Rich lost interest too. When game reach this point, it's NOT just point of no-return, it's a dead game. Dead game means it cannot be cured, cannot be repaired, faults cannot be undone.

 

This is a fact. You can go check many games out there that cater to the Rich only. All dies fast. There always need to be a balance between the Rich and the Poor, or the Hardcore and the Casual. That is what I call: game structure.

 

So just be happy server is still alive. We still have time to remedy. We still have time to cure, to repair. Many faults in the past can still be corrected. Of course, new map, totally the same from that Suggestion few years ago. GMs listened. GMs grow with the server. A remarkable feeling. 10 years ago, this feeling is not there. The mob spawn, the mob Exp, the new Q, GMs are trying to learn from mistake SL, SS, LC, and re-do that in new map. 

 

 

 

Sometimes you guys need to bring a good discussion and not afraid to post.

Otherwise I'm trying to help you here on why GMs should stop certain 3rd party program.

 

 

when the account 171 is locked what does that mean , does it mean they cant xp to 172 or that they cant sell or trade the account 

[xunahyo 180]

oops I mean alot Exp to reach 172, you can see 171 stuck for years. Don't nitpick my words.. just the point you get it.

[wolf0119 267]

8 minutes ago, xunahyo said:

oops I mean alot Exp to reach 172, you can see 171 stuck for years. Don't nitpick my words.. just the point you get it.

I wish they had put a cap at 170, the levels in this game are too outdated for the reality of the average player, plus the game progresses at a rate too slow compared to the levels of its players, but well, that is an issue that we may return to in another post. 

 

[al0nex2 28]

11 hours ago, Neither said:

 

@Senpai @Wartale @Support @Overlady

 

I think you guys should a little prio on this one.

 

 

 

damn, idk this was a feature but i googled for 5min and found this tools.

Those guys on SS and Ether must be raising some exp.....

 

Btw i didnt test this tool on my base system with an account to see if this give a ban or not ( or does work anyways ), someone could try for me ?

 

Oh, forgot to mention this autoclick was patched a long time ago, but i think is only a VM needed to work around.

 

 

( im sorry for my poor videos ) im not a youtuber anymore.

- the first video is auto hot key, i havent tried so i dont know

- the second, auto click make the mouse need to keep in the VM, player cannot do anything else, i dont think this is a good choice. Because he need to focus mouse there

I dont know how healer prs do but, the HEAL SKILL, you can press right click and hold, prs will continue buff until the mouse is release.  I think they can inject some paper to the mouse or anything same, still dont know

 

Idont think vm is bad. Imagine without vm, may be no party ss or eb at all. 

Gm should avoid healer prs, but i think not by block vm. 

Sometimes i use for icq and ss lure . Without it noway i can do 

@Senpai

My solution for healer prs is prevent heal skil repeat when hold mouse. I dont see any prs on ss use regenerator field   because it need to reclick everytimes. If they do it for long time -> it will be macro or a new computer with auto click ( coz auto click take control mouse) 

Edited June 7, 2022 by al0nex2

[Neither 183]

Spoiler

  

3 hours ago, al0nex2 said:

- the first video is auto hot key, i havent tried so i dont know

- the second, auto click make the mouse need to keep in the VM, player cannot do anything else, i dont think this is a good choice. Because he need to focus mouse there

I dont know how healer prs do but, the HEAL SKILL, you can press right click and hold, prs will continue buff until the mouse is release.  I think they can inject some paper to the mouse or anything same, still dont know

 

Idont think vm is bad. Imagine without vm, may be no party ss or eb at all. 

Gm should avoid healer prs, but i think not by block vm. 

Sometimes i use for icq and ss lure . Without it noway i can do 

@Senpai

My solution for healer prs is prevent heal skil repeat when hold mouse. I dont see any prs on ss use regenerator field   because it need to reclick everytimes. If they do it for long time -> it will be macro or a new computer with auto click ( coz auto click take control mouse) 

 

 

 

1 - The fist video show how to use MACRO ( 100% automate script which can rebuff, use skills and use pots by itself without interaction with the person playing )

 

2 - The second video show how to use AutoClick ( which was patched a long ago ) without gam.exe knowing about it.

 

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I dont know how healer prs do but, the HEAL SKILL, you can press right click and hold, prs will continue buff until the mouse is release.  I think they can inject some paper to the mouse or anything same, still dont know

3 - this is the "Legal" way of healing yourself, staff already said it was ok ( besides i do think the oposite )

 

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Idont think vm is bad. Imagine without vm, may be no party ss or eb at all. 

Gm should avoid healer prs, but i think not by block vm. 

Sometimes i use for icq and ss lure . Without it noway i can do 

 

4 - You only need to use VM bcz the game was build to allow VM, so if you do not use YOU CANNOT DO ALL CONTENT ON GAME.

 I'd like to change to block completely VM and allow another ways to do ALL THE CONTENT BY MYSELF without needing a extra tool for it.

 

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My solution for healer prs is prevent heal skil repeat when hold mouse. I dont see any prs on ss use regenerator field   because it need to reclick everytimes. If they do it for long time -> it will be macro or a new computer with auto click ( coz auto click take control mouse) 

 

5 - And my solution is to nerf Hp from mobs, so every class can solo a mob ( not to easy pls ) wihtout need a extra ACCOUNT ( crystal and pets are ok, this is what they built for )

and again, block VM OTHERWISE the game WILL NEVER KNOW WHEN A MACRO ITS BEEING RUNNING.

 

I've seen articles to how to scan on memory on a VM and changes its address phisically to whatever you want, but im not sure how this can affect the game ( i have an bad ideia of how it could ).

 

Again, VM is bad. Something must be made URGENT.

 

Regards.

 

[Neither 183]

[kamuynoturno 291]

17 hours ago, Senpai said:

It’s high priority now. We’ll block VM’s right now and review whether we need to change some monsters if playing has become too reliant on a prs like that.

If you really do this I'll send you a nude picture of me  

[Anghel0506 166]

1 hour ago, Neither said:

?

[Support 4,456]

8 minutes ago, kamuynoturno said:

If you really do this I'll send you a nude picture of me  

It has been done by our Dev team however, they will prefect it in coming patches.

 

[kamuynoturno 291]

2 minutes ago, Support said:

Our Dev team has already done it.

 

Can one in a swim trunk?

Well, at least all this discussion had an outcome. now is to wait

 

[Before[30] 10]

its time to close this topic bored brothers and sisters