Wind Arrow and Falcons

[matheus830 149]

After this SW I just saw how bad archers are now. It is very easy to kill them, even for a low lvl, and I doubt that a low lvl archer can kill a higher lvl one. 

If Phoenix speed is going to punish shield users I think going back to the old times will be better to the balance. By the old times I mean, if you have the skill active u will lose 50% atk rating, but on the other hand the falcon will give 100% instead of 50%. So we can choose to get more accuracy or a lil evade. 

 

Also, would be very nice to get the stm drain in PvP fields. I think it was a nerf for miners, but it totally ruined the experience if u are trying to kite someone. If you run, before you hit you will need to use stm potion, giving enough time for others to kill you. Archers already use a lot of stm, so punishing them in PvP for running doesn't make sense. We can barely survive with shield, and now it's harder to run away. 

 

There are a list of things that archers can't do well since the lastest patch, even getting a Draxos rool is difficult now. I don't see why Ata is getting buffed, since they are better tankers (which I think is right) and are hitting much more harder than as (which doesn't make sense, since as is a 2h user). 

 

I thought AS was in a wheelchair, but I just found out that she was barely walking crutches. 

[Hyuuse 2]

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[Rasthafary 178]

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[Mumu 41]

On 6/12/2022 at 11:10 PM, matheus830 said:

After this SW I just saw how bad archers are now. It is very easy to kill them, even for a low lvl, and I doubt that a low lvl archer can kill a higher lvl one. 

If Phoenix speed is going to punish shield users I think going back to the old times will be better to the balance. By the old times I mean, if you have the skill active u will lose 50% atk rating, but on the other hand the falcon will give 100% instead of 50%. So we can choose to get more accuracy or a lil evade. 

 

Also, would be very nice to get the stm drain in PvP fields. I think it was a nerf for miners, but it totally ruined the experience if u are trying to kite someone. If you run, before you hit you will need to use stm potion, giving enough time for others to kill you. Archers already use a lot of stm, so punishing them in PvP for running doesn't make sense. We can barely survive with shield, and now it's harder to run away. 

 

There are a list of things that archers can't do well since the lastest patch, even getting a Draxos rool is difficult now. I don't see why Ata is getting buffed, since they are better tankers (which I think is right) and are hitting much more harder than as (which doesn't make sense, since as is a 2h user). 

 

I thought AS was in a wheelchair, but I just found out that she was barely walking crutches. 

For real? Archer is dead and if you want to kill any other character you'll have to fight with a party and pray that you manage to last hit. It's sad that a class that's suposed to be one of the best killers in game, now, is just an easy bait for hitkill.

 

Beside, on PVE we are just a joke when compared to other classes playing without prs or ms tanker

[Boogieman 40]

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Archers are really good today any buff added to them will just unbalance what has already been balanced. 

 

[- D E A T H S T R O K E - 1,759]

14 minutes ago, Boogieman said:

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Archers are really good today any buff added to them will just unbalance what has already been balanced.

''really good" is an overstatement, she is... mediocre.

I think AS falls on the same problem as shaman vs mage.

ATA is just far superior to AS in everything PvE wise, and now that bosses are random type, Atalanta got the edge over Archer once more.

most of players that prefer to use AS it's mostly because of ''comfort'', in another words, full afk while watching netflix.

Edited June 16, 2022 by - D E A T H S T R O K E -

[Boogieman 40]

7 minutes ago, - D E A T H S T R O K E - said:

''really good" is an overstatement, she is... mediocre.

I think AS falls on the same problem as shaman vs mage.

ATA is just far superior to AS in everything PvE wise, and now that bosses are random type, Atalanta got the edge over Archer once more.

most of players that prefer to use AS it's mostly because of ''comfort'', in another words, full afk while watching netflix.

 

People have to accept reality,

 

Either accept the characteristics of your main character or change class to another one that will fulfill all your desires. 

 

I hated those days of ranger tale where most players were archers & Atlanta's.  I do +1 that they need help for PVE. 

 

 

But for PVP archers are right in the sweet spot , good enough to play and compete but not overpowering where someone will choose a archer as a main compared to a fighter or ps as a main. This is how it should remain because before for PVP everyone was choosing archers & Atlanta's as their main for the pure dominance. 

 

 

 

 

[matheus830 149]

27 minutes ago, Boogieman said:

 

People have to accept reality,

 

Either accept the characteristics of your main character or change class to another one that will fulfill all your desires. 

 

I hated those days of ranger tale where most players were archers & Atlanta's.  I do +1 that they need help for PVE. 

 

 

But for PVP archers are right in the sweet spot , good enough to play and compete but not overpowering where someone will choose a archer as a main compared to a fighter or ps as a main. This is how it should remain because before for PVP everyone was choosing archers & Atlanta's as their main for the pure dominance. 

 

 

 

 

I don't think you read the topic. It is a PvE buff bro, wind arrow and falcon.

Archers are just mediocre now. 

[- D E A T H S T R O K E - 1,759]

25 minutes ago, Boogieman said:

But for PVP archers are right in the sweet spot , good enough to play and compete but not overpowering where someone will choose a archer as a main compared to a fighter or ps as a main. This is how it should remain because before for PVP everyone was choosing archers & Atlanta's as their main for the pure dominance. 

I don't have any opinion regarding pvp atm because the new items 146 are a complete shift in balance.

 

27 minutes ago, Boogieman said:

Either accept the characteristics of your main character or change class to another one that will fulfill all your desi

you're correct, every class should have a niche, the problem is: some classes fulfill their niche while also doing the other class niche job just enough or better at those.

KS/ATA/MGs are example of classes that can fulfill rightfully their niche while also doing fine vs other niches MS+FS/AS/SS

Ms is not needed in LC easy mode, because KS can tank while doing damage, damage enough to compete with Fs.

AS don't tank as much as ATA, at the same time that ATA has better support skills [ chimera hp + evade] while also having the best 1x1 dps of the game.

Mage vs Shaman is another disaster.

you can clearly see day as night that ATA/KS/MGs are the top PvE classes while SS/AS/MS/FS are on a limbo of being okish, but not enough.

in my opinion, those 4 classes need some rework.

[Boogieman 40]

56 minutes ago, - D E A T H S T R O K E - said:

I don't have any opinion regarding pvp atm because the new items 146 are a complete shift in balance.

 

you're correct, every class should have a niche, the problem is: some classes fulfill their niche while also doing the other class niche job just enough or better at those.

KS/ATA/MGs are example of classes that can fulfill rightfully their niche while also doing fine vs other niches MS+FS/AS/SS

Ms is not needed in LC easy mode, because KS can tank while doing damage, damage enough to compete with Fs.

AS don't tank as much as ATA, at the same time that ATA has better support skills [ chimera hp + evade] while also having the best 1x1 dps of the game.

Mage vs Shaman is another disaster.

you can clearly see day as night that ATA/KS/MGs are the top PvE classes while SS/AS/MS/FS are on a limbo of being okish, but not enough.

in my opinion, those 4 classes need some rework.

 

 

I agree with some of your points

1 hour ago, matheus830 said:

I don't think you read the topic. It is a PvE buff bro, wind arrow and falcon.

Archers are just mediocre now. 

 

Im sorry in your initial post you mentioned Siege war and how archers are easy to be killed. Maybe re-read your initial post  

[kenibok 1,057]

9 hours ago, Boogieman said:

 

People have to accept reality,

 

Either accept the characteristics of your main character or change class to another one that will fulfill all your desires. 

 

I hated those days of ranger tale where most players were archers & Atlanta's.  I do +1 that they need help for PVE. 

 

But for PVP archers are right in the sweet spot , good enough to play and compete but not overpowering where someone will choose a archer as a main compared to a fighter or ps as a main. This is how it should remain because before for PVP everyone was choosing archers & Atlanta's as their main for the pure dominance. 

 

reality by your terms doesn't make it true buddy, 

The only time when rangers had an advantage was when the RTG was extra buffed, which was maybe a month or two and was nerfed, not slightly but in a very hard way, and it was nerfed for archer only, atalanta was kept about the same and rating of ata is now buffed again (which I'm not complaining about, idgaf) you say balance but its qu.ite easy to tell that this has been the worst "balance" ever and you just need to read the forum a little to notice: "fix ass pvp" "help mech pls" "increase X mage thing" "increase A, B C" or just step on bc for a while to notice, pike hitting 2.5k+ on CL or FS making 2k+ hits 1handed with 3k+ hp lmao, this game has been balanced, but definitely not when rating was broken and definitely but very definitely not now *

 

When you compare rangers you have to keep in mind that they are  supposed to have the highest DPS, and even pure now they are far from that not close to 1hand melee's, they are also non static classes and they should be able to switch builds for different scenarios, more attack in sacrifice of tanking or more tanking in sacrifice of attack, hybrid, etc, today that's not possible because in any way you play as sucks pvp and pve.

Its ok whatever reason you have to not like rangers, but reality today is not any close to fair or balanced, for rangers nor for magics

 

[Boogieman 40]

1 minute ago, kenibok said:

 

reality by your terms doesn't make it true buddy, 

The only time when rangers had an advantage was when the RTG was extra buffed, which was maybe a month or two and was nerfed, not slightly but in a very hard way, and it was nerfed for archer only, atalanta was kept about the same and rating of ata is now buffed again (which I'm not complaining about, idgaf) you say balance but its qu.ite easy to tell that this has been the worst "balance" ever and you just need to read the forum a little to notice: "fix ass pvp" "help mech pls" "increase X mage thing" "increase A, B C" or just step on bc for a while to notice, pike hitting 2.5k+ on CL or FS making 2k+ hits 1handed with 3k+ hp lmao, this game has been balanced, but definitely not when rating was broken and definitely but very definitely not now *

 

When you compare rangers you have to keep in mind that they are  supposed to have the highest DPS, and even pure now they are far from that not close to 1hand melee's, they are also non static classes and they should be able to switch builds for different scenarios, more attack in sacrifice of tanking or more tanking in sacrifice of attack, hybrid, etc, today that's not possible because in any way you play as sucks pvp and pve.

Its ok whatever reason you have to not like rangers, but reality today is not any close to fair or balanced, for rangers nor for magics

 

 

 

Reality by your terms don't make it true either... that power is left with the gm's and staff to choose how characters perform all we can do is spectate and form our own individual opinions and leave it up to the professionals ( gm's ) to decide what is best. 

[rick96 18]

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[Eisenmann 25]

On 6/16/2022 at 5:53 PM, Boogieman said:

 

People have to accept reality,

 

Either accept the characteristics of your main character or change class to another one that will fulfill all your desires. 

 

I hated those days of ranger tale where most players were archers & Atlanta's.  I do +1 that they need help for PVE. 

 

 

But for PVP archers are right in the sweet spot , good enough to play and compete but not overpowering where someone will choose a archer as a main compared to a fighter or ps as a main. This is how it should remain because before for PVP everyone was choosing archers & Atlanta's as their main for the pure dominance. 

 

 

 

 

 

+1

 

AS in SW is great killer. Need know how play AS. Want tank? Play tanker

AS + armor/shield/good subgear + Evade. Weak point is HP = AS need work on HP = Tulla Coat + Gems + Level. If can manage this = very good class. 

 

SW can even go pure+ costume build =  hide behind walls, use towers, use running speed be far away. Want to tank??? 

You try AS with 146 Bow? Also this is a point

[kenibok 1,057]

On 6/16/2022 at 10:05 PM, Boogieman said:

Reality by your terms don't make it true either... that power is left with the gm's and staff to choose how characters perform all we can do is spectate and form our own individual opinions and leave it up to the professionals ( gm's ) to decide what is best. 

 

Obviously, thats why you called your words reality and I didn't, I don't just presume I know the truth but instead I try to prove real what I say

Its important to point your "opinions" as such, specially when they come with affirmations that are easy to prove false

I insist Its ok whatever reason you have to not like rangers, but I don't think your words are fair, specially with the dead bc/pve we have today reflect just the opposite, even with new map just released

[Boogieman 40]

3 hours ago, kenibok said:

 

Obviously, thats why you called your words reality and I didn't, I don't just presume I know the truth but instead I try to prove real what I say

Its important to point your "opinions" as such, specially when they come with affirmations that are easy to prove false

I insist Its ok whatever reason you have to not like rangers, but I don't think your words are fair, specially with the dead bc/pve we have today reflect just the opposite, even with new map just released

 

I do see where you are coming from. and the truth is yes archers might have been nerfed a little too hard with how she is today. I personally don't think the archer is as bad as people make it seem, but i do understand that the overall nerf archer took was a little to much 

 

[matheus830 149]

26 minutes ago, Boogieman said:

 

I do see where you are coming from. and the truth is yes archers might have been nerfed a little too hard with how she is today. I personally don't think the archer is as bad as people make it seem, but i do understand that the overall nerf archer took was a little to much 

 

I think for PvP archer is just fine, and could be better if phoenix shot and falcons had the same sinergy as before. So you could choose your playstyle.

 

However, for PvE, it is the worst ranger, and I think even pure deals less dmg than some melee with armor. Bomb-shot got nerfed so hard because back then, archers were killing Draxos in a minute, but since the bosses changed their type it is not that strong anymore. I doubt that an AS can get a Draxos roll if it is crowded since the boss have too much fire resistance and AS doesn't have a lot of dmg with others skills.  You can see what happened after the last patch, too many archers changing to other classes and a lot of bows selling behind the warehouse. Playing archer now is just confortable, but do not expect to kill mobs faster than any other class, which is weird since it is a 2handed class that most of time play "pure". 

[TigerShark22 488]

On 6/17/2022 at 5:02 AM, kenibok said:

 

reality by your terms doesn't make it true buddy, 

The only time when rangers had an advantage was when the RTG was extra buffed, which was maybe a month or two and was nerfed, not slightly but in a very hard way, and it was nerfed for archer only, atalanta was kept about the same and rating of ata is now buffed again (which I'm not complaining about, idgaf) you say balance but its qu.ite easy to tell that this has been the worst "balance" ever and you just need to read the forum a little to notice: "fix ass pvp" "help mech pls" "increase X mage thing" "increase A, B C" or just step on bc for a while to notice, pike hitting 2.5k+ on CL or FS making 2k+ hits 1handed with 3k+ hp lmao, this game has been balanced, but definitely not when rating was broken and definitely but very definitely not now *

 

When you compare rangers you have to keep in mind that they are  supposed to have the highest DPS, and even pure now they are far from that not close to 1hand melee's, they are also non static classes and they should be able to switch builds for different scenarios, more attack in sacrifice of tanking or more tanking in sacrifice of attack, hybrid, etc, today that's not possible because in any way you play as sucks pvp and pve.

Its ok whatever reason you have to not like rangers, but reality today is not any close to fair or balanced, for rangers nor for magics

 

Where did you get that a fs does 2k dmg with destroyer? You also forgot to mention that you mean destroyer, a finisher with long animation on a 1v1 close ranged class, with long cd, not AC.

You compare AC to PS, not destroyer.

 

And pls, I dont wanna see :" Karma, 171+gems+ Cent brace+crown+stones destroyer"  cause that's not an argument, and you always compare same lvl same tier items+premiums, attacking same abs class.

 

Also" pike hit's 2.5k with CL"- what pike?

Also in what condition? The damage with vanish+AE  is not what u compare to, its the damage without. Also ur PS is a lot more lethal than CL.

 

 

Phoenix shot of as+ succubus  with hp+agi build deals the same damage as 1 hit of destroyer 2h of fs. You can test it yourself.

 

Lastly, AS has high AR+ nice crit+ range+ attack speed+ running speed. She has to pay somewhere.

 

At PVE- Bomb shot can be brought back to 100%, and if its too strong against demons, can remove some of it's demon damage.

Yet the game is again leaning towards the tank+killer/s gameplay, so it's not true that she's bad now, yet I agree that a buff can be given.

 

Also- 146 bow is going to turn the game in as's favor, by a lot. She's the one who profits from the new items the most. 

 

( First, don't check row addition of damage, gotta check  % of improvement from the previous weapon. Also add ur high damage multiplier, and the fact that ks/fs classes gonna give up most of their deff and block, while as is an evade class. Glad to point those things out).

 

 

 

Edited June 23, 2022 by TigerShark22

[kenibok 1,057]

On 6/22/2022 at 3:34 PM, TigerShark22 said:

Where did you get that a fs does 2k dmg with destroyer? You also forgot to mention that you mean destroyer, a finisher with long animation on a 1v1 close ranged class, with long cd, not AC.

You compare AC to PS, not destroyer.

 

And pls, I dont wanna see :" Karma, 171+gems+ Cent brace+crown+stones destroyer"  cause that's not an argument, and you always compare same lvl same tier items+premiums, attacking same abs class.

 

Also" pike hit's 2.5k with CL"- what pike?

Also in what condition? The damage with vanish+AE  is not what u compare to, its the damage without. Also ur PS is a lot more lethal than CL.

 

 

Phoenix shot of as+ succubus  with hp+agi build deals the same damage as 1 hit of destroyer 2h of fs. You can test it yourself.

 

Lastly, AS has high AR+ nice crit+ range+ attack speed+ running speed. She has to pay somewhere.

 

At PVE- Bomb shot can be brought back to 100%, and if its too strong against demons, can remove some of it's demon damage.

Yet the game is again leaning towards the tank+killer/s gameplay, so it's not true that she's bad now, yet I agree that a buff can be given.

 

Also- 146 bow is going to turn the game in as's favor, by a lot. She's the one who profits from the new items the most. 

 

( First, don't check row addition of damage, gotta check  % of improvement from the previous weapon. Also add ur high damage multiplier, and the fact that ks/fs classes gonna give up most of their deff and block, while as is an evade class. Glad to point those things out).

 

 

 

 

I didn't forget to mention anything.

If you want to conveniently pick, conveniently ignore and twist and simply lie about the game, you're allowed to, but don't tag me, don't ask me questions you don't want an answer for and simply don't expect me to waste time on you xd. All I said is true and I have even videos of it, but its already sent for the people who matter ? 

 

PS: You're free to talk lies about archer but don't make it so obvious you don't know anything - "succubus" ?

[Boogieman 40]

46 minutes ago, kenibok said:

 

I didn't forget to mention anything.

If you want to conveniently pick, conveniently ignore and twist and simply lie about the game, you're allowed to, but don't tag me, don't ask me questions you don't want an answer for and simply don't expect me to waste time on you xd. All I said is true and I have even videos of it, but its already sent for the people who matter ? 

 

PS: You're free to talk lies about archer but don't make it so obvious you don't know anything - "succubus" ?

 

 

If you have videos of it can you please post on forum so the general public can visually have a better understanding of the severity of the problem. It seems against change to have these videos and only share it to a few people that probably wont make a difference to the overall issue of your concerns.

 

 

Do your best to bring more awareness that's the only way change will happen. Sending a video to gm's i don't think is enough, in this server its realistically about doing what needs to be done to please the majority of players from my opinion.

 

 

share your video to show your findings , and maybe it can show people something they have not seen before. 

[kenibok 1,057]

16 minutes ago, Boogieman said:

 

 

If you have videos of it can you please post on forum so the general public can visually have a better understanding of the severity of the problem. It seems against change to have these videos and only share it to a few people that probably wont make a difference to the overall issue of your concerns.

 

 

Do your best to bring more awareness that's the only way change will happen. Sending a video to gm's i don't think is enough, in this server its realistically about doing what needs to be done to please the majority of players from my opinion.

 

 

share your video to show your findings , and maybe it can show people something they have not seen before. 

 

Haha nah, I don't have to do anything. You're free to think anything you like but you don't get to talk about what I do and what not. 

By the rather misinformative way in which you talk, you shouldn't be so bold to demand me anything, so yeah good luck

 

This post is mainly about PvE upgrades so lets keep the focus,

 

PS: you should start creating your new fake forum acc youbish

[TigerShark22 488]

6 hours ago, kenibok said:

 

I didn't forget to mention anything.

If you want to conveniently pick, conveniently ignore and twist and simply lie about the game, you're allowed to, but don't tag me, don't ask me questions you don't want an answer for and simply don't expect me to waste time on you xd. All I said is true and I have even videos of it, but its already sent for the people who matter ? 

 

PS: You're free to talk lies about archer but don't make it so obvious you don't know anything - "succubus" ?

Im not the ? here.

You guys have different meaning to PvP, and at yours you might use cuepy, yet succubus has its edge, but you need to have fingers to enjoy it's advantage more than cuepy, and its less of a team fight suit, more of a 1v1 ( Ofc there is also armored one).

 

If u got videos pls post it, I wanna see full comparement, go ahead. I know exactly what the range of damage of pike/fs/as on the same target ( assuming they are same tier character- means same lvl and gears).

 

You guys were the ones who were actually believing 1h ks does 1.5k damage per hit of GC with 1h weapon . Or ofc, overstimatement of melees/your resetment towards em.

 

 

 

Edited June 24, 2022 by TigerShark22