Question About Formula (Mgs / Prs / SS)

[LBirman 114]

My friend and I got into an argument about game formulas.

He said that for every +100 MP you gain, you get +1 abs.

 

Can someone confirm this? (or not)

 

[Lyseria 1,826]

16 minutes ago, LBirman said:

My friend and I got into an argument about game formulas.

He said that for every +100 MP you gain, you get +1 abs.

 

Can someone confirm this? (or not)

 

 

 

Scroll down to the abs formula and check it out.

[vhnh167 285]

1 hour ago, LBirman said:

My friend and I got into an argument about game formulas.

He said that for every +100 MP you gain, you get +1 abs.

 

Can someone confirm this? (or not)

 

It's because 40 spirit = 1 abs. 

[LBirman 114]

1 minute ago, vhnh167 said:

It's because 40 spirit = 1 abs. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Lyseria said:

 

 

Scroll down to the abs formula and check it out.

 

I know the formulas.

Some mechanics are hidden in this game, I just wanna know if this is correct.

[LBirman 114]

1 hour ago, vhnh167 said:

It's because 40 spirit = 1 abs. 

Spirit is not MP though.

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49 minutes ago, LBirman said:

Spirit is not MP though.

MP doesn't give Abs, if that was the case, mage using magic source or shaman using creed would skyrocket their ABS, which is not the case.

[LBirman 114]

12 minutes ago, - D E A T H S T R O K E - said:

MP doesn't give Abs, if that was the case, mage using magic source or shaman using creed would skyrocket their ABS, which is not the case.

 

Exactly!

And my friend was insisting that this is the case.

Just wanted to make sure I don't miss anything.

 

We were talking about which set mix is the best to tank several monsters in EB..

What is your opinion about it? I think about vitality brac+gaunt and fortitude boots.

 

Fortitude gives 70 hp but no abs, velocity gives 40 hp and 6 abs+-

Edited November 5, 2022 by LBirman

[vhnh167 285]

4 hours ago, LBirman said:

Spirit is not MP though.

Yes, but Spirit gives MP. I'm only pointing out the reason why I think your friend believes MP = abs.

 

2 hours ago, LBirman said:

 

Exactly!

And my friend was insisting that this is the case.

Just wanted to make sure I don't miss anything.

 

We were talking about which set mix is the best to tank several monsters in EB..

What is your opinion about it? I think about vitality brac+gaunt and fortitude boots.

 

Fortitude gives 70 hp but no abs, velocity gives 40 hp and 6 abs+-

In PVE abs is generally better than hp (use pots less frequently), in PvP HP could have the edge (more survivability). 

[LBirman 114]

1 minute ago, vhnh167 said:

Yes, but Spirit gives MP. I'm only pointing out the reason why I think your friend believes MP = abs.

 

In PVE abs is generally better than hp (use pots less frequently), in PvP HP could have the edge (more survivability). 

I agree with you about MP.

 

So you think Dex Mix / Fortitude Mixes are better than vitality ones to survive in EB / SS / SL 1v3 1v4 1v5?

[vhnh167 285]

Just now, LBirman said:

I agree with you about MP.

 

So you think Dex Mix / Fortitude Mixes are better than vitality ones to survive in EB / SS / SL 1v3 1v4 1v5?

Depends on your character. If your character's skills scale with HP (PRS), going for HP is great. If your character scales with ABS (Mech, Shaman, etc.), then Abs is better. 

 

Also, think about how hard a monster hits you. If your current HP = 950 and a monster hit in EB is around 500, then two hits = certainly dead. Now if you add 6 abs and 40 HP: 496*2 - (950 + 40) = also dead. On the other hand, if you add 70 HP: 500*2 - (950+70) = you have 20 HP left, meaning you survive the two hits. 

[LBirman 114]

1 minute ago, vhnh167 said:

Depends on your character. If your character's skills scale with HP (PRS), going for HP is great. If your character scales with ABS (Mech, Shaman, etc.), then Abs is better. 

 

Also, think about how hard a monster hits you. If your current HP = 950 and a monster hit in EB is around 500, then two hits = certainly dead. Now if you add 6 abs and 40 HP: 496*2 - (950 + 40) = also dead. On the other hand, if you add 70 HP: 500*2 - (950+70) = you have 20 HP left, meaning you survive the two hits. 

Yeah I understand you.

I play Mgs for the first time now and I wanna go for the best gear I can.

Most people tell me to go for Dex mix (high lvl mgs) on brac so now I feel idk what to do lol

[vhnh167 285]

1 minute ago, LBirman said:

Yeah I understand you.

I play Mgs for the first time now and I wanna go for the best gear I can.

Most people tell me to go for Dex mix (high lvl mgs) on brac so now I feel idk what to do lol

If you only hunt/train/SOD using Flame Wave, why do you even need extra Attack Rating from Bracelets (Flame Wave always hits its target)? Choosing Vitality is obviously better unless you want to PvP.

[LBirman 114]

1 minute ago, vhnh167 said:

If you only hunt/train/SOD using Flame Wave, why do you even need extra Attack Rating from Bracelets (Flame Wave always hits its target)? Choosing Vitality is obviously better unless you want to PvP.

People say the extra defense is good

[vhnh167 285]

11 minutes ago, LBirman said:

People say the extra defense is good

50 HP over 60 Defense any day. Unlike ABS, Defense is only relative (to the monster's attack rating). With a low defense character like magician (and no skill to boost it), adding 60 defense doesn't help you much. Well, that's just my opinion. Do what you think is best!  

Edited November 5, 2022 by vhnh167

[LBirman 114]

5 minutes ago, vhnh167 said:

50 HP over 60 Defense any day. Unlike ABS, Defense is only relative (to the monster's attack rating). With a low defense character like magician (and no skill to boost it), adding 60 defense doesn't help you much. Well, that's just my opinion. Do what think is best!  

Well, probably.

Thanks for all the help now!

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1 hour ago, LBirman said:

People say the extra defense is good

Defense is ok, but for mage, the extra AR is unecessary, and extra hp scales a lot with energy shield.

 

With my mage I have 3 build based on what I play;

For Eb with tanker: brac gaunt and boots low lvl, status only to use staff ( 53 str 77 tal 16 agility build)

For LC or EB without tanker; 106 Brac vit mix, Greedy gauntlet vit mix and draxos. This one is the 75 str 85 Tal 72 agility build.

For PvP, brac 144/hell brac dext mix , draxos, greedy.

 

I reccomend you having 2 t sheltoms,one for 4-4 mix and one for 300 def mix, it's far better to swap a sheltom when you need more defense. Some player use t sheltom 4-4 brac 144 dext and gaunt 144 build on PvE,but this build is actually a bit worse than a 300 def t sheltom+brac 106 vit+greedy, only go for dext mix if you want pvp.

[LBirman 114]

16 minutes ago, - D E A T H S T R O K E - said:

Defense is ok, but for mage, the extra AR is unecessary, and extra hp scales a lot with energy shield.

 

With my mage I have 3 build based on what I play;

For Eb with tanker: brac gaunt and boots low lvl, status only to use staff ( 53 str 77 tal 16 agility build)

For LC or EB without tanker; 106 Brac vit mix, Greedy gauntlet vit mix and draxos. This one is the 75 str 85 Tal 72 agility build.

For PvP, brac 144/hell brac dext mix , draxos, greedy.

 

I reccomend you having 2 t sheltoms,one for 4-4 mix and one for 300 def mix, it's far better to swap a sheltom when you need more defense. Some player use t sheltom 4-4 brac 144 dext and gaunt 144 build on PvE,but this build is actually a bit worse than a 300 def t sheltom+brac 106 vit+greedy, only go for dext mix if you want pvp.

Thanks bro.

Right now I have brac 140 Vitality and brac 106 Vitality.

 

With brac 140 I lose some spirit, but gain more agi + stronger item which is like ~600 extra def (which translates to 6 abs + more chance to defend hits).

 

With brac 106, all I gain is a little more spirit.

TBH, I find is useless if I don't have tanker.

 

Do you think the same?

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2 hours ago, LBirman said:

Thanks bro.

Right now I have brac 140 Vitality and brac 106 Vitality.

 

With brac 140 I lose some spirit, but gain more agi + stronger item which is like ~600 extra def (which translates to 6 abs + more chance to defend hits).

 

With brac 106, all I gain is a little more spirit.

TBH, I find is useless if I don't have tanker.

 

Do you think the same?

robe/orb don't use agility, and greedy/draxos have 72 base agility, same as brac 106.

you'll be losing around 180 defense but need +32 extra Agililty points to wear brac 140, as I said, it's better to have 2 t sheltons, one 300 defense and other 4-4, if you feel you need more defense  just use the aegis mix, if not, atk power.

 

Brac 140 is only good for pvp to be honest, I've never felt i needed more defense on PvE. I use the brac 106- greedy- draxos on my mage even to tank LC easy mode comfortably with hp points only to use grace+2, although my mage is with tulla relic/144 dnt items/draxos, so there's that.

 

[LBirman 114]

5 hours ago, - D E A T H S T R O K E - said:

robe/orb don't use agility, and greedy/draxos have 72 base agility, same as brac 106.

you'll be losing around 180 defense but need +32 extra Agililty points to wear brac 140, as I said, it's better to have 2 t sheltons, one 300 defense and other 4-4, if you feel you need more defense  just use the aegis mix, if not, atk power.

 

Brac 140 is only good for pvp to be honest, I've never felt i needed more defense on PvE. I use the brac 106- greedy- draxos on my mage even to tank LC easy mode comfortably with hp points only to use grace+2, although my mage is with tulla relic/144 dnt items/draxos, so there's that.

 

Yeah, the tulla relic + draxos boots are a huge deal

Edited November 6, 2022 by LBirman

[disable1000 511]

10 hours ago, vhnh167 said:

Yes, but Spirit gives MP. I'm only pointing out the reason why I think your friend believes MP = abs.

 

In PVE abs is generally better than hp (use pots less frequently), in PvP HP could have the edge (more survivability). 

I agree hp has an edge in PvP but not in all cases. For example, if you been hit by a pike or a KS 2 consecutive hits with 1.3k-1.5k damage while your character is in animation then the HP don't matter. ?