Why use 3e eye ?

[vhnh167 285]

3 hours ago, bernd88 said:

 

 

LMAO yea sure just because i dont play 15 hours a day and have a job i dont know how to play this game lol.

i go to map and kill monsters, monsters never drop anything... but I AM the one who cant play this game? lmao yea right.

 

I have never ever seen the server so empty... i never ever in the last 3 years heard so many complaints from players... 95% of community is fed up how you handle all these things here............. but yea its probably just me ^^

i always sell everything that drops... mostly 11-12x stuff... and never ever in the last 2 years the items were selling slower... 1 year ago if i sold 11-12x items they were sold in about a week... now i open stores and sometimes they are open for a month without even selling 2 items... but yeah its me who cant play the game xD

 

 

 

are u even reading all these posts?

 

i talk alot ingame with new players and they start, are happy and then see very very fast it doesnt make any sense for them to keep playing ... are u even reading all this posts? or u just dont care about it?! or is it just all these people cant play the game?

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and if im so dumb and cant play the game then please go ahead and enlighten all of us how you supposed to make 20-40k coins without donating.

dont say mining because we all know low lvls would need years to catch up the high lvls and with the stealing its impossible

It's actually easier to earn coins by NOT HUNTING if you don't play 16 hours/day:

- Log in every 2-3 hours for 15 minutes and join every boss fight, try to loot coins and roll items. 

- Go around Ricarten on all three servers, looking for cheap and easily re-sellable items to buy: enigma, oredo, dagaz, premiums, etc.

- Moonhunting. Either buying a lot of this item during Spring Event or buying from retailers. Selling those premiums directly to blacksmith.

- Save up your coins, don't rush to spend them on shiny items. Wait for Black Friday and buy re-spec stones/exp up/eye/aging stone in bulk. Sell them all year round or wait for aging event to sell at a ridiculously high price. 

- Mining while doing your daily quests. Sell all of your ores/shards when there's a good buyer (pay attention to the Trade channel).

- Earning gold from daily quests and sell for coins. 

- Playing events, especially the Xmas event. You can make a lot of coins by opening those gift boxes. 

 

From my personal experience, I've never got anything good from hunt maps, but I find earning coins in Wartale surprisingly easy. I started with a 140-character level with 12x items (moving from another server a while ago). After 2-3 years of active playing (with a few breaks in between, each time a few months), I have 2x 15x accounts full 140+24 and many mules (including a miner 9/9/5). I play like 2-3 hours a day on average (mostly at weekends, I barely play on weekdays) and hardly donate (perhaps once or twice a year, each time 3-4k coins to help the server). I don't see why you complain so much really.

 

Surely there are areas where the game can improve (given how old it is), yet it is still one of the (if not the) best PT server out there. People are dismayed and leave games all the time; even WoW/Dota 2/CSGO suffer from this, even with all the resources they have. There's no reason to be this angry man. It's just a game, if you're not happy, you should leave and get a life. Come back when you feel like playing but don't let it get to you.

Edited November 29, 2022 by vhnh167

[Support 4,449]

1 hour ago, bernd88 said:

LMAO yea sure just because i dont play 15 hours a day and have a job i dont know how to play this game lol.

i go to map and kill monsters, monsters never drop anything... but I AM the one who cant play this game? lmao yea right.

Good luck with this kind of attitude.

 

1 hour ago, bernd88 said:

I have never ever seen the server so empty... i never ever in the last 3 years heard so many complaints from players... 95% of community is fed up how you handle all these things here............. but yea its probably just me ^^

Thanks for letting us know.

 

Sharing my experience mean I am talking as gamer not GM or staff but seem like you don't get it and I am done sharing.

 

 

[moobie1988 1,234]

12 hours ago, Support said:

 

This is coming from my personal experience: I have been playing this game since 2005 and I can tell you I have never played on any server that you can get new item on the 1st day of release.

 

The whole drop is all about luck, it has nothing do with 3rd eye or how long you have been playing. The 3rd eye just gave you one additional drop which mean you will have a better chance. In real life, you don't win a jackpot because you bought more ticket or buying it for 5,10 or 20 years..., buying more ticket just gave you more chance to win and also more chance to get you closer to be broke. I never got a good drop, and I was hardcore gamer with always be on top ranking, there was no EXP service back in the old day. The best thing I got was 7 years ago I think, when I just came back from break and joined a random HG for the 1st time and boom, I got a HG Bracelet as reward, and it was sold for very good price back then.

 

Years after years, people seem to forget one very important thing about game is that you have to keep playing and keep working hard to get what you want. To the extent of it, that doesn't mean you will get good drop, it simply means you get other things that you can exchange and save up and buy the thing you need.

 

Maybe you can suggest for a new system whereas item fragments can be dropped, and you can use them to weld your own with a chance of failing.

 

Hope this will help someone to ease up their mind and don't over thinking that if you use the 3rd eye, you have to get something good.

 

 

Love the passion! ❤️

25 minutes ago, vhnh167 said:

It's actually easier to make coins by NOT HUNTING if you don't play 16 hours/day:

- Log in every 2-3 hours for 15 minutes and join every boss fight, try to loot coins and roll items. 

- Go around Ricarten on all three servers, looking for cheap and easily re-sellable items to buy: enigma, oredo, dagaz, premiums, etc.

- Moonhunting. Either buying a lot of this item during Spring Event or buying from retailers. Selling those premiums directly to blacksmith.

- Save up your coins, don't rush to spend them on shiny items. Wait for Black Friday and buy re-spec stones/exp up/eye/aging stone in bulk. Sell them all year round or wait for aging event to sell at a ridiculously high price. 

- Mining while doing your daily quests. Sell all of your ores/shards when there's a good buyer (pay attention to the Trade channel).

- Earning gold from daily quests and sell for coins. 

- Playing events, especially the Xmas event. You can make a lot of coins by opening those gift boxes. 

 

From my personal experience, I've never got anything good from hunt maps, but I find earning coins in Wartale surprisingly easy. I started with a 140-character level with 12x items (Wartaleting from another server a while ago). After 2-3 years of active playing (with a few breaks in between, each time a few months), I have 2x 15x accounts full 140+24 and many mules (including a miner 9/9/5). I play like 2-3 hours a day on average (mostly at weekends, I barely play on weekdays) and hardly donate (perhaps once or twice a year, each time 3-4k coins to help the server). I don't see why you complain so much really.

 

Surely there are areas where the game can improve (given how old it is), yet it is still one of the (if not the) best PT server out there. People are dismayed and leave games all the time; even WoW/Dota 2/CSGO suffer from this, even with all the resources they have. There's no reason to be this angry man. It's just a game, if you're not happy, you should leave and get a life. Come back when you feel like playing but don't let it get to you.

 

Sounds like me. haha

[Hadden 167]

use eye to get "one additional drop" easy as that i guess?

[MadTale 763]

4 hours ago, vhnh167 said:

Hmm, if the chance is 10x higher, a 142 item would cost 200 coins and a brand new 146 weapon would cost 2-4kc? I wouldn't feel so happy/motivated to go hunting anymore. Clearly I can get much more coins from mining/looting coin sacks or doing SOD. 

I'm suggesting to remove aging recovery from game, it's not same as simply increasing drop chance. That means items would no longer accumulate and no price drop would happen.

[vhnh167 285]

2 minutes ago, MadTale said:

I'm suggesting to remove aging recovery from game, it's not same as simply increasing drop chance. That means items would no longer accumulate and no price drop would happen.

I've aged about 10 items to +24 so far. When using the best stones for each level (my rule is 30% for 19-20, 40% for 21-22, 50% for 23-24, and 20% + copper ore for under 19), I've failed like 4-5 out of 10, meaning the drop rate should only increase two folds (to make up for half the items lost from aging recovery), from 0.001 to 0.002 (hypothetically)? Are you certain you'll get 142-146 items with double the rate (which is also extremely low) or would you just feel hopeless that now you still have to pay 15kc for a new 146 weapon (instead of 30kc) just to break it later?

[MadTale 763]

1 minute ago, vhnh167 said:

I've aged about 10 items to +24 so far. When using the best stones for each level (my rule is 30% for 19-20, 40% for 21-22, 50% for 23-24, and 20% + copper ore for under 19), I've failed like 4-5 out of 10, meaning the drop rate should only increase two folds (to make up for half the items lost from aging recovery), from 0.001 to 0.002 (hypothetically)? Are you certain you'll get 142-146 items with double the rate (which is also extremely low) or would you just feel hopeless that now you still have to pay 15kc for a new 146 weapon (instead of 30kc) just to break it later?

Hummm

 

First, drop rate would get more than doubled. 

 

Second, yes... i would preffer to crash my item and go hunt in maps that actually drop stuff over time.

 

Also you can argue against me endlessly like i'm suggesting to delete your chars from game.

[vhnh167 285]

1 minute ago, MadTale said:

Hummm

 

First, drop rate would get more than doubled. 

 

Second, yes... i would preffer to crash my item and go hunt in maps that actually drop stuff over time.

 

Also you can argue against me endlessly like i'm suggesting to delete your chars from game.

Weird taste you've got but sure, to each their own. I would prefer to keep it this way but it's only my opinion (there's nothing to argue when it comes to preferences by the way). You should create a new thread and make a poll to get more support from the community. What if you get lucky and your voice is heard! Good luck. 

[MadTale 763]

2 minutes ago, vhnh167 said:

Weird taste you've got but sure, to each their own. I would prefer to keep it this way but it's only my opinion (there's nothing to argue when it comes to preferences by the way). You should create a new thread and make a poll to get more support from the community. What if you get lucky and your voice is heard! Good luck. 

I don't need luck neither anyone's support. I only need adm to read my suggestion and it already happened. Ti tac.... tic tac... 

[Keshy 1,385]

4 hours ago, bernd88 said:

 

LMAO yea sure just because i dont play 15 hours a day and have a job i dont know how to play this game lol.

i go to map and kill monsters, monsters never drop anything... but I AM the one who cant play this game? lmao yea right.

 

 

I'm a guy who plays 2-4 hours a day on average and I must share my recent experience. . .

 

I came back playing a little over 1 year ago and until today I haven't dropped anything interesting, except last week, I logged in daily to do quests and during one of the quests I dropped a claw 146 (after 1 year going map hunt was the first 142/146 item I dropped)

 

Like all (difficult) games, it's almost impossible to drop a roulette wheel, but unfortunately that's how it is. If everything was easy, nothing would have value and the complaint in the forum would be that everything is devalued. I agree with a comment above, it's easier to get items by renegotiating other items than trying your luck and dropping one.

[-Vodka- 685]

I would also like to share my experience. Between comings and goings I've been playing this game for about 10 years, it really is extreme hard to drop (at least for me). From about 3 years ago I only play 2 hours a day, sometimes a little more on the weekend. Every day I do the daily quest of EB and SS and I really haven't dropped anything so far, the last item I got in SS has been 4 years, after that nothing has ever dropped. Due to the personal routine, work, etc., it is difficult to stay in the game at all times. I still haven't given up, I still hope to drop something, but currently the most viable way to drop it really seems to be mining or trying my luck on a boss.

[s0ckch3 98]

im solo in EB with 3eyes and many times i got 1 drop. its mean without 3eyes, i got nothing ???

3eyes working fine or not 100% add 1 drop?

[WarLord 87]

25 minutes ago, s0ckch3 said:

im solo in EB with 3eyes and many times i got 1 drop. its mean without 3eyes, i got nothing ???

3eyes working fine or not 100% add 1 drop?

Yes, drop includes air is fact.

Even with 3eyes + full pt 6 players u may drop nothing (air).

 

1 hour ago, -Vodka- said:

I would also like to share my experience. Between comings and goings I've been playing this game for about 10 years, it really is extreme hard to drop (at least for me). From about 3 years ago I only play 2 hours a day, sometimes a little more on the weekend. Every day I do the daily quest of EB and SS and I really haven't dropped anything so far, the last item I got in SS has been 4 years, after that nothing has ever dropped. Due to the personal routine, work, etc., it is difficult to stay in the game at all times. I still haven't given up, I still hope to drop something, but currently the most viable way to drop it really seems to be mining or trying my luck on a boss.

I also share my real experience.

I'm also a solo player but i has 148 orb drop in EB recently.

Before that i had many 142/144 drop item in SS.

I also play ~1 hour/day. Even sometime i didn't play for a week.

Its all about luck.

[-Vodka- 685]

51 minutes ago, WarLord said:

Yes, drop includes air is fact.

Even with 3eyes + full pt 6 players u may drop nothing (air).

 

I also share my real experience.

I'm also a solo player but i has 148 orb drop in EB recently.

Before that i had many 142/144 drop item in SS.

I also play ~1 hour/day. Even sometime i didn't play for a week.

Its all about luck.

consider yourself blessed ?

[DeadlyWarrior 688]

i hope the GM will check the difference between 3rd eye and no 3rd eye. my personal oppinion is: it doesn't make any difference.

[vhnh167 285]

1 hour ago, DeadlyWarrior said:

i hope the GM will check the difference between 3rd eye and no 3rd eye. my personal oppinion is: it doesn't make any difference.

The difference is you see an extra drop, period. If you want to conclude if it improves your chance of getting a good item, you'd have to do at least 10,000 hours with eye and 10,000 hours without eye. Then you can say with some confidence whether having an extra drop helps or not. 

Another way is to do a simple computer simulation, like this: 

 

You see, given random probabilities (that I totally made up), if you kill 10,000 monsters and get 1 extra drop from eye every time, you might get one 148-set and 23 146-weapons (compared to 0 and 4 without eye). Note that 4,000 of those drops (with eye) are air, and almost 7000 are gold. If it takes 45 seconds to kill a monster, this will take 125 hours of hunting with eyes. This proves that the probabilities of getting 142/144146/148 are in reality even lower than what I showed here. Truth is, the game is controlled by codes, like what I did here. The staff can only do computer simulation with the probabilities they've set. There's no way they can go out and hunt hundreds of thousands of monsters to see what the true distribution is. 

 

Edited December 2, 2022 by vhnh167

[MadTale 763]

On 12/2/2022 at 7:23 AM, vhnh167 said:

The difference is you see an extra drop, period. If you want to conclude if it improves your chance of getting a good item, you'd have to do at least 10,000 hours with eye and 10,000 hours without eye. Then you can say with some confidence whether having an extra drop helps or not. 

Another way is to do a simple computer simulation, like this: 

 

You see, given random probabilities (that I totally made up), if you kill 10,000 monsters and get 1 extra drop from eye every time, you might get one 148-set and 23 146-weapons (compared to 0 and 4 without eye). Note that 4,000 of those drops (with eye) are air, and almost 7000 are gold. If it takes 45 seconds to kill a monster, this will take 125 hours of hunting with eyes. This proves that the probabilities of getting 142/144146/148 are in reality even lower than what I showed here. Truth is, the game is controlled by codes, like what I did here. The staff can only do computer simulation with the probabilities they've set. There's no way they can go out and hunt hundreds of thousands of monsters to see what the true distribution is. 

 

Interesting.

On 12/2/2022 at 7:23 AM, vhnh167 said:

There's no way they can go out and hunt hundreds of thousands of monsters to see what the true distribution is. 

They (staff) actually can test it indeed. 

 

It's possible to spawn waves of 50-100 mobs and kill them all with hit kill aoe, using GM commands etc... such mob could have it's 3d model disabled so there you could spawn and kill like 1k mobs per wave w/o crashing game client etc...

 

I really doubt they would just run low prob codes and simply trust them without actually testing it in game from player's pov.

[Scyris 0]

On 11/24/2022 at 5:27 PM, Overlady said:

3rd Eyes is designed like this since the beginning. For more than a decade, its function has not changed. This is different than asking for priority roll to get a Relic Fragment or a Centlon Bracelet for example

 

Best,

Overlady

 

I am not sure how it works here, but where I play, 3rd eye makes monsters have a guarnteed chance to drop a 2nd drop, what this means is every monster you kill, is basically like killing 2, as it gives double drops. It does not up actual drop rates, just gives the monster a extra roll to drop something extra from its list. You can still get nothing with 3rd eye. Just consider that it basically gives you a 2 for 1 sale on kills. If you killed 1000 things with 3rd eye, its basically as if you killed 2000 for how many drops you did get.