MS needs buff?

[caioxzx 18]

ms is the worst character currently?

[ChainLancer 99]

47 minutes ago, caioxzx said:

ms is the worst character currently?

Best tanker.

Best 1v1 pve (especially with Mgs tanker, buff and support to kill with watornado).

[PrisPris 52]

KS tank >>>> MS tank

[erickloro 375]

 

17 hours ago, caioxzx said:

ms is the worst character currently?

Yep

Edited April 7, 2023 by erickloro

[moobie1988 1,233]

Why is it the worst?

 

Firstly, Its the only class that can use both range and melee equipments apart from mage items. 

 

Secondly, Its got its own tank golem. Fast attack speed in range. Hardest on shield and tank buffs.

 

Thirdly, It can hit kill in PVP if you like going there.

 

The only downside on Mech is it can get difficult to equip everything because its a flexible class switching from range to melee. Equipment can get pricy.

 

So I am not sure where you see mech needs buffing it has the most buff already.

[- D E A T H S T R O K E - 1,764]

17 minutes ago, moobie1988 said:

Why is it the worst?

 

Firstly, Its the only class that can use both range and melee equipments apart from mage items. 

 

Secondly, Its got its own tank golem. Fast attack speed in range. Hardest on shield and tank buffs.

 

Thirdly, It can hit kill in PVP if you like going there.

 

The only downside on Mech is it can get difficult to equip everything because its a flexible class switching from range to melee. Equipment can get pricy.

 

So I am not sure where you see mech needs buffing it has the most buff already.

but he sacrifices something in order to get another and his AoE damage wasn't that good, not sure now since spark was buffed a while ago.

-Auto MS build sacrifices defense and AoE for range, and in EB, AoE is pretty essencial.

-tanker build sacrifices damage and he becomes no more than a dummy.

-power build sacrifices a lot of his defensive power.

-there are characters out there that can tank enough, while doing good ST/AoE damage, name Ks.

Ms also lacks of utility, as he doesn't have debuffs nor mobility nor raw damage to compensate

although it sounds that he is the ''most flexible character" on paper for being able to change builds, he is actually not, the most flexible chars would be KS and mage, by far, as they can do whatever is needed with only one build.

 

 

 

[caioxzx 18]

MS has a low average in all AoE, PVP, Defense (power build), Attack, mobility. The only strong point is the Auto build with the mage buff

[GIXXER 32]

thanks for the thread replies. l just had a 15x ms back then in 2021 and no regrets about selling it since nothing changed

l was thinking in get back to wtale (with the same class) but defenitely not worth atm

 

[moobie1988 1,233]

10 hours ago, - D E A T H S T R O K E - said:

but he sacrifices something in order to get another and his AoE damage wasn't that good, not sure now since spark was buffed a while ago.

-Auto MS build sacrifices defense and AoE for range, and in EB, AoE is pretty essencial.

-tanker build sacrifices damage and he becomes no more than a dummy.

-power build sacrifices a lot of his defensive power.

-there are characters out there that can tank enough, while doing good ST/AoE damage, name Ks.

Ms also lacks of utility, as he doesn't have debuffs nor mobility nor raw damage to compensate

although it sounds that he is the ''most flexible character" on paper for being able to change builds, he is actually not, the most flexible chars would be KS and mage, by far, as they can do whatever is needed with only one build.

 

 

 

 

 

Like I said its a class that is flexible. It can excel in one build at a time lets say if you allow mech to do damage and take damage at the same time wouldnt that be too OP? Its a Class that can hit kill in BC with Obliterate. Its got a decent damage when it utilizes Maximize. Plus Its a class with the strongest 1 hand. Both Offense and defensive at the same time. He doesnt reallly need to do 2 hand. 

 

To be honest the only problem with mech is mobility. Its a slow class that doesnt have crowd control directly. So you need to spend on mount to compensate to chase enemies. But to be honest mech is balance in away that it can change build to your liking. Its an expensive class thats the only thing I would say if your both PVE and PVP. 

 

Kind regards,

[Lyseria 1,825]

Anything a mech do, a mage/ks can do better.

[moobie1988 1,233]

6 hours ago, Lyseria said:

Anything a mech do, a mage/ks can do better.

Really can a mage/ks use bow and kill faster than a mech with it?

 

[Lyseria 1,825]

47 minutes ago, moobie1988 said:

Really can a mage/ks use bow and kill faster than a mech with it?

 

You don't need to use a bow lol

[moobie1988 1,233]

3 hours ago, Lyseria said:

You don't need to use a bow lol

Why not ? A mech has golem for tank, weapon mastery for it, automation and precision skills to support its usage. Are you saying they should not wear it and these skills are useless? 

 

Mechs are not limited to one weapon like any other class thats what makes them unique.

 

 

Edited April 8, 2023 by moobie1988

[Lyseria 1,825]

17 minutes ago, moobie1988 said:

Why not ? A mech has golem for tank, weapon mastery for it, automation and precision skills to support its usage. Are you saying they should not wear it and these skills are useless? 

 

Mechs are not limited to one weapon like any other class thats what makes them unique.

 

 

Man, on the paper it looks awesome.

 

First mob you try to kill as solo automech you get raped by the mob ignoring your golem and chasing after you. If you go power, you'll be asking yourself in 1 week whata hell are you doing with your life playing that way.

 

I used to play as power MS + PRS and sometimes as automs, but @- D E A T H S T R O K E - explained to me how to get the best dps using magic classes. I was thinking MS + PRS was a decent choice of gameplay, such wrong I was... Ms is for nostalgic gameplay only, and even after all updates, there are better classes that does the same job in the party role.

 

That's why I said, anything a Ms do, ks and mage can do better.

 

I already gave some suggestions to improve power Ms build, which would be contemplating even Axe and Scythe build, but it seems it will never gonna happen, and that's it :)

[moobie1988 1,233]

1 hour ago, Lyseria said:

Man, on the paper it looks awesome.

 

First mob you try to kill as solo automech you get raped by the mob ignoring your golem and chasing after you. If you go power, you'll be asking yourself in 1 week whata hell are you doing with your life playing that way.

 

I used to play as power MS + PRS and sometimes as automs, but @- D E A T H S T R O K E - explained to me how to get the best dps using magic classes. I was thinking MS + PRS was a decent choice of gameplay, such wrong I was... Ms is for nostalgic gameplay only, and even after all updates, there are better classes that does the same job in the party role.

 

That's why I said, anything a Ms do, ks and mage can do better.

 

I already gave some suggestions to improve power Ms build, which would be contemplating even Axe and Scythe build, but it seems it will never gonna happen, and that's it 🙂

 

Some people here play the game because they love playing the class they want.

 

If you want a class that can do massive damage on multiple enemies of course the mage class excells on that. But not all people like playing mage class. 

 

Mechs are choosen by the few because the class is unique. You can do more than just swing the same old weapon over and over again. 

 

Other class have their own pros and cons thats why we have other class and not 1 class fits all. Pick which one you like and how you want to play the game.

 

Kind regards,

 

 

[- D E A T H S T R O K E - 1,764]

16 hours ago, Lyseria said:

Man, on the paper it looks awesome.

 

First mob you try to kill as solo automech you get raped by the mob ignoring your golem and chasing after you. If you go power, you'll be asking yourself in 1 week whata hell are you doing with your life playing that way.

 

I used to play as power MS + PRS and sometimes as automs, but @- D E A T H S T R O K E - explained to me how to get the best dps using magic classes. I was thinking MS + PRS was a decent choice of gameplay, such wrong I was... Ms is for nostalgic gameplay only, and even after all updates, there are better classes that does the same job in the party role.

 

That's why I said, anything a Ms do, ks and mage can do better.

 

I already gave some suggestions to improve power Ms build, which would be contemplating even Axe and Scythe build, but it seems it will never gonna happen, and that's it 🙂

 

fact, I even lent my mage so you could test.

the difference between a mage tanking+ buffing + killing with a priest vs ms + prs is like comparing a char 14x with mixed items vs a 16x full 144 dnt 😅

Edited April 9, 2023 by - D E A T H S T R O K E -

[Danh 4]

What skill make K9 better tank than mech? thks guys.

[lavanm221282 40]

I have played Ms class for 12 years.
In pve  Ms is very bad if don't have Mgs buff (especially buff fire, almost no need buff ice), Ms doesn't have skill AOE like other classes.
In pvp Ms is very weak, especially when pvp with SS.

[Saboss 61]

On 8/1/2023 at 10:08 PM, lavanm221282 said:

I have played Ms class for 12 years.
In pve  Ms is very bad if don't have Mgs buff (especially buff fire, almost no need buff ice), Ms doesn't have skill AOE like other classes.
In pvp Ms is very weak, especially when pvp with SS.

 

Today MS is the worst class in the game. 

 

Power MS (with Hammer and all strength), it has no decent skill to use in PVE, either 1v1 or area skill.

Great Smash with 84% damage PVE and Attack Rating 17% (skill 10) it´s very weak.

 

I won´t even comment on MS with bow, cool damage, die easy and only 1v1. (The worst build for MS in my opinion, since we have dungeons to play)

 

Speaking of dungeons, MS is only for tanking, with full vit and nothing else (with build tank is the best tanker). If you go with Power Build for dungeons, very weak damage and dies easier than KS.

It pays a thousand times more to put a KS (even if he is full vit, because he kills much more than MS) in the party than a MS tank.

 

MS should be a character more like KS, but tank a little more and have a little less damage.

 

Should lower the power of bow skills and increase melee skills.

Edited August 3, 2023 by Saboss

[erickloro 375]

42 minutes ago, Saboss said:

 

Today MS is the worst class in the game. 

 

Power MS (with Hammer and all strength), it has no decent skill to use in PVE, either 1v1 or area skill.

Great Smash with 84% damage PVE and Attack Rating 17% (skill 10) it´s very weak.

 

I won´t even comment on MS with bow, cool damage, die easy and only 1v1. (The worst build for MS in my opinion, since we have dungeons to play)

 

Speaking of dungeons, MS is only for tanking, with full vit and nothing else (with build tank is the best tanker). If you go with Power Build for dungeons, very weak damage and dies easier than KS.

It pays a thousand times more to put a KS (even if he is full vit, because he kills much more than MS) in the party than a MS tank.

 

MS should be a character more like KS, but tank a little more and have a little less damage.

 

Should lower the power of bow skills and increase melee skills.

my man, this sv hates ms class idk why...

[TigerShark22 490]

1 hour ago, Saboss said:

 

Today MS is the worst class in the game. 

 

Power MS (with Hammer and all strength), it has no decent skill to use in PVE, either 1v1 or area skill.

Great Smash with 84% damage PVE and Attack Rating 17% (skill 10) it´s very weak.

 

I won´t even comment on MS with bow, cool damage, die easy and only 1v1. (The worst build for MS in my opinion, since we have dungeons to play)

 

Speaking of dungeons, MS is only for tanking, with full vit and nothing else (with build tank is the best tanker). If you go with Power Build for dungeons, very weak damage and dies easier than KS.

It pays a thousand times more to put a KS (even if he is full vit, because he kills much more than MS) in the party than a MS tank.

 

MS should be a character more like KS, but tank a little more and have a little less damage.

 

Should lower the power of bow skills and increase melee skills.

 

First, power ms is decent in 1v1,auto mech is considered 1 of the top DPS classes ( Yet ofc, hes a glass), and also ms with 2h hammer/ claw is nice ( his DPS with 1h weapon is high compared to other classes 1h) .

The thing is- his balance is made differently. for example at LC hard mode- people must have a mech, its the only class that can tank.

At SS, when it was 1v1 mobs, auto ms used to be so awesome, yet when the meta changes, many meches lost it ( I remember parties full of auto meches, who refused to accept my ks

at SS , but now, at EB, everyone are  accepted due to sometimes spawning 2/3 mobs and its blessed).

Also for years- SL, DIQ ,CT3 - tanker mech was wanted so badly. Today LC hard mode- no room for melees overall, but tanker ms.

 

 

At EB, ms is still nice, just not as strong as it was before when 2/3 mobs spawn ( and still, most of the times- it will be 1v1 ), and he can also go with 2h hammer and perform nicely ( His 1v1 DPS are fine, and tested it myself with 16x power mech ).

 

Yet ofc like almost every char- it needs a tank, yet can be decent without it (with 2h hammer hesl nice at 1v1, but I agree that his AOE damage is terrible. Yet he  should pay somewhere , ks 1v1 DPS isnt even close to auto ms, and it doesn't have range for example. Also KS doesn't tank as good as tanker mech for example, and it doesn't have the function to take damage away from party members/ comp, and I know comp doesn't work at LC).

Also mech can always switch between tanker and power at the spot ( unlike auto- needs to change build  completely, but crying about tanker and power which aren't the same- irrelevant ).

 

The main problem of this suggestion, is that you guys are looking for ks/ss/mage, and ignoring what mech is- a class who can use all weapons. For years his balance was great,

was always wanted, just now, at LC easy mode specifically- hes not. ( And there are parties who will accept him as a tank ofc).

If you don't like the what auto+tank+power can afford to you, you can always switch/ accept what he is good at ( LC hard mode/ EB).

 

And at PvP hes defiantly fine, hes better than FS and KS now ( And tested it, hes more than fine).

 

 

 

Edited August 3, 2023 by TigerShark22

[erickloro 375]

1 hour ago, TigerShark22 said:

 

First, power ms is decent in 1v1,auto mech is considered 1 of the top DPS classes ( Yet ofc, hes a glass), and also ms with 2h hammer/ claw is nice ( his DPS with 1h weapon is high compared to other classes 1h) .

The thing is- his balance is made differently. for example at LC hard mode- people must have a mech, its the only class that can tank.

At SS, when it was 1v1 mobs, auto ms used to be so awesome, yet when the meta changes, many meches lost it ( I remember parties full of auto meches, who refused to accept my ks

at SS , but now, at EB, everyone are  accepted due to sometimes spawning 2/3 mobs and its blessed).

Also for years- SL, DIQ ,CT3 - tanker mech was wanted so badly. Today LC hard mode- no room for melees overall, but tanker ms.

 

 

At EB, ms is still nice, just not as strong as it was before when 2/3 mobs spawn ( and still, most of the times- it will be 1v1 ), and he can also go with 2h hammer and perform nicely ( His 1v1 DPS are fine, and tested it myself with 16x power mech ).

 

Yet ofc like almost every char- it needs a tank, yet can be decent without it (with 2h hammer hesl nice at 1v1, but I agree that his AOE damage is terrible. Yet he  should pay somewhere , ks 1v1 DPS isnt even close to auto ms, and it doesn't have range for example. Also KS doesn't tank as good as tanker mech for example, and it doesn't have the function to take damage away from party members/ comp, and I know comp doesn't work at LC).

Also mech can always switch between tanker and power at the spot ( unlike auto- needs to change build  completely, but crying about tanker and power which aren't the same- irrelevant ).

 

The main problem of this suggestion, is that you guys are looking for ks/ss/mage, and ignoring what mech is- a class who can use all weapons. For years his balance was great,

was always wanted, just now, at LC easy mode specifically- hes not. ( And there are parties who will accept him as a tank ofc).

If you don't like the what auto+tank+power can afford to you, you can always switch/ accept what he is good at ( LC hard mode/ EB).

 

And at PvP hes defiantly fine, hes better than FS and KS now ( And tested it, hes more than fine).

 

 

 

EVERY time someone comes to say how much the mechanic is being unusable in the game, there is always a player who DOES NOT PLAY with the class saying that he is good.
You do all this reasoning to try to validate your current position about ms....
See, here is not something for discussion, the fact is: Mechanics today are only used for mules and no one else plays with the character, items are undervalued, it is difficult to sell any 142+ mechanic equipment precisely because mules only use 140.

"And at PvP hes defiantly fine, hes better than FS and KS now ( And tested it, hes more than fine)."

 KS Literally can stop an entire guild on bc/map, has dmg reduction with 2h (with a shield skill kkkkkkkk), FS has roar and CHARGE (a gap closer skill) can kill u in a crit
And ms? what he can do? whats the chance for ms stun you?

 

Please, if you don't play with this class, Don't invalidate the appeal of people who ask for a decent character.

 

Edited August 3, 2023 by erickloro

[Mumu 44]

Regarding PVE i made some points on this post.

 

"Magnetic Sphere - The lightening could chain just like CL/Impulsion - same dmg, same amount of time as it already is, but chaining - it would help not only Power but Auto MS.

 

Compulsion - Pull mobs to MS, not only making him their target. Just like that skill from Centlon - nice to help on crowd control on maps that spawns a lot of mobs/in dungeons

 

Impulsion - Since Magnectic Sphere would be already a chain lightening skill, Impulsion could be reworked as a dashing blow, only one hit tho - MS is a veeery slow char and impulsion is a joke compared to spark that is a great area skill- more damage, wider and faster"

 

[TigerShark22 490]

13 hours ago, erickloro said:

EVERY time someone comes to say how much the mechanic is being unusable in the game, there is always a player who DOES NOT PLAY with the class saying that he is good.
You do all this reasoning to try to validate your current position about ms....
See, here is not something for discussion, the fact is: Mechanics today are only used for mules and no one else plays with the character, items are undervalued, it is difficult to sell any 142+ mechanic equipment precisely because mules only use 140.

"And at PvP hes defiantly fine, hes better than FS and KS now ( And tested it, hes more than fine)."

 KS Literally can stop an entire guild on bc/map, has dmg reduction with 2h (with a shield skill kkkkkkkk), FS has roar and CHARGE (a gap closer skill) can kill u in a crit
And ms? what he can do? whats the chance for ms stun you?

 

Please, if you don't play with this class, Don't invalidate the appeal of people who ask for a decent character.

 

Tested with 162 mech, both his PvP and PvE.

About PvE- He has some kind of balance, yet I can tell that people might not like him in the current LC meta, after he was so good for years.

 

About PvP- hes one of the best, I will admit the only reason I didn't switch to mech myself is because I don't like his PvE. In PvP hes far above FS/KS ( taking those as examples, those arent great characters to PvP atm, compared to BS/SS/Ata with amazon rage, didnt say hes OP either, there are classes above him).

Note: Not liking his PvE has nothing to do about bad PvE. Even at the SS/DIQ/SL days I didnt go mech. I really never liked the idea of either being a super tank, or super 1v1 DPS.

 

 

Back to PvP:

If KS LS gets a guild- its their problem for everyone charging at him and get stunned ( While rangers can easly release the guild/ Melees who charge and use skill to damage him- he will have no choice but to pot or die).

FS roar can be released by AOE attack towards your allies.

While both of them are terrible tanks with 2h, and terrible killers with 1h , mech gets to tank well, and has his high burst damage with 1h weapon.

Also FS is completely paper in bigger fights, and so easy to kill, due to low deff/ block, while KS cant really kill, and is only a mule stun.

And charge cant hitkill with crit, unless you are without tulla relic, and your opponent uses 146 axe / you are a ranger who didn't put points on vit as they can.

Also charge is very unlikely to land+crit all together.

 

What mech's chance to stun u? depends on spark shield..

Mech can hitkill with oblitirate, and actuall hitkill, anyone.

Insanely high max damage, his 2h  AVERAGE damage with hammer with grand smash is literally the damage of destroyer of FS. His **1h** AVERAGE damage  is slightly higher AC with *2h* axe

 ( not max ) while maintaining 54% block, 7.7k deff ( while FS has to have 13% block with 6.3k deff to maintain his damage, and be complete paper at that mode

Also while his max damage is  around the same as destroyer).

His max damage with ***1h** is around the same damage as destroyer of fs with ** 2h** axe. Literally finisher who loses to a spamable.

 

His only weakness over FS at that mode is AR and attack speed, and those wont close the deal of deff and high block he maintains.

 

Its you who didnt play FS/KS, and havent seen other classes,  because of all you have claimed.

KS 1h literally cant kill anything, and mech's brute force with 1h is far higher than KS's, who cant kill anything with 2 crits of GC with 1h.

With 2h ks literally still has lower damage than 1h claw MS, way less block. While the AR and crit advantage of ks dont cover that gap.(Not a complete paper like 2h fs, but still terrible tanking abillity, and the class itself attacks slowly- which also helps his enemies a lot ).

Also ofc- mech can hitkill him too XD.

 

 

Tested  KS at EB with 146 sword, vs Mech 2h 146 hammer, and the diffrence at 1v1 DPS is small ( depends mostly on opponent mob's type )

The main diff is mostly KS's AOE DPS ( without a tank ).

 

 

If any party refuses a power mech, its mostly due to wrong first impression. His DPS are fine at EB, especially 1v1 mobs ( Yet at Easy LC its defiantly justified, but remember, mech has hard LC, while most melees dont).

 

Edited August 4, 2023 by TigerShark22

[Saboss 61]

3 hours ago, TigerShark22 said:

Yet ofc like almost every char- it needs a tank, yet can be decent without it (with 2h hammer hesl nice at 1v1, but I agree that his AOE damage is terrible. Yet he  should pay somewhere , ks 1v1 DPS isnt even close to auto ms, and it doesn't have range for example. Also KS doesn't tank as good as tanker mech for example, and it doesn't have the function to take damage away from party members/ comp, and I know comp doesn't work at LC).

Also mech can always switch between tanker and power at the spot ( unlike auto- needs to change build  completely, but crying about tanker and power which aren't the same- irrelevant ).

 

Glad we at least agree that his AOE damage is terrible!

 

"ks 1v1 DPS isnt even close to auto ms" 

I didn´t compare KS with Auto MS, this comparasion should be made with POWER MS...I even said that I don´t like auto ms. I play Power + Tank MS.

 

And you say you tested it on an 16x MS, it´s different from playing daily with MS.

Edited August 3, 2023 by Saboss