MS needs buff?

[TigerShark22 490]

5 minutes ago, Saboss said:

 

Glad we at least agree that his AOE damage is terrible!

 

"ks 1v1 DPS isnt even close to auto ms" 

I didn´t compare KS with Auto MS, this comparasion should be made with POWER MS...I even said that I don´t like auto ms. I play Power + Tank MS.

Take a look, I also said that his 1v1 DPS are compareable to KS.

 

And thats the point- Mech cant have it all. And auto ms is part of the class, by it's class core ( can use almost any weapons, projectiles included).

Thats why I said that you either gotta switch/ accept that mech has some weak points, and at the current LC easy mode meta- he has difficulties finding a party

( Yet ofc there are still many party who will be glad to have you, you can even go instead of prs, with gravitation+full hp, just not too many know about this 1 yet, or just ranger's party who will be glad to have a tank).

 

Edited August 3, 2023 by TigerShark22

[Saboss 61]

10 minutes ago, TigerShark22 said:

Take a look, I also said that his 1v1 DPS are compareable to KS.

 

And thats the point- Mech cant have it all. And auto ms is part of the class, by it's class core ( can use almost any weapons, projectiles included).

Thats why I said that you either gotta switch/ accept that mech has some weak points, and at the current LC easy mode meta- he has difficulties finding a party

( Yet ofc there are still many party who will be glad to have you, you can even go instead of prs, with gravitation+full hp, just not too many know about this 1 yet, or just ranger's party who will be glad to have a tank).

 

 

But if you compare a KS with normal build (all strength) with a Power MS, KS has much more damage and better tank than MS.

 

This I can´t understand, as a character that was supposed to be a tanker, tank less than a KS?

Edited August 3, 2023 by Saboss

[TigerShark22 490]

12 hours ago, Saboss said:

 

But if you compare a KS with normal build (all strength) with a Power MS, KS has much more damage and better tank than MS.

 

This I can´t understand, as a character that was supposed to be a tanker, tank less than a KS?

It is supposed to be a tanker when it goes tank mode, at power mode he isn't a tanker ( yet he can switch relatively easy ).

And my test was done without tank, at EB, both with 146 weapons.

 

Another fun fact, that mech can use 1h claw, and  deal high DPS at 1v1 scenarios. KS cant, his 1h damage at 1v1 is bad.

Also 1 out of the 2 cases multiple mobs spawn at u at EB, contain mechanic type mobs- and you can use spark there.

 

Mech is defiantly fine at EB, his balance is just different.  Also he can also go  auto ms ofc.

Yet you gotta remember, power mech isnt a ranger ( Like with SS, players pick SS, expected pure ranger’s DPS output, and the new SS was created...).

 

A note would be, I was using a full 162 char( 144 defensive gears ~146 weapons ), with tulla+greedy relics+drax, so I could still tank with that mech pretty well. If ur char is low lvl, 1h claw might even kill faster for you than 2h hammer.

 

 

 

Edited August 4, 2023 by TigerShark22

[exyzus 64]

23 hours ago, TigerShark22 said:

Tested with 162 mech, both his PvP and PvE.

About PvE- He has some kind of balance, yet I can tell that people might not like him in the current LC meta, after he was so good for years.

 

About PvP- hes one of the best, I will admit the only reason I didn't switch to mech myself is because I don't like his PvE. In PvP hes far above FS/KS ( taking those as examples, those arent great characters to PvP atm, compared to BS/SS/Ata with amazon rage, didnt say hes OP either, there are classes above him).

Note: Not liking his PvE has nothing to do about bad PvE. Even at the SS/DIQ/SL days I didnt go mech. I really never liked the idea of either being a super tank, or super 1v1 DPS.

 

 

Back to PvP:

If KS LS gets a guild- its their problem for everyone charging at him and get stunned ( While rangers can easly release the guild/ Melees who charge and use skill to damage him- he will have no choice but to pot or die).

FS roar can be released by AOE attack towards your allies.

While both of them are terrible tanks with 2h, and terrible killers with 1h , mech gets to tank well, and has his high burst damage with 1h weapon.

Also FS is completely paper in bigger fights, and so easy to kill, due to low deff/ block, while KS cant really kill, and is only a mule stun.

And charge cant hitkill with crit, unless you are without tulla relic, and your opponent uses 146 axe / you are a ranger who didn't put points on vit as they can.

Also charge is very unlikely to land+crit all together.

 

What mech's chance to stun u? depends on spark shield..

Mech can hitkill with oblitirate, and actuall hitkill, anyone.

Insanely high max damage, his 2h  AVERAGE damage with hammer with grand smash is literally the damage of destroyer of FS. His **1h** AVERAGE damage  is slightly higher AC with *2h* axe

 ( not max ) while maintaining 54% block, 7.7k deff ( while FS has to have 13% block with 6.3k deff to maintain his damage, and be complete paper at that mode

Also while his max damage is  around the same as destroyer).

His max damage with ***1h** is around the same damage as destroyer of fs with ** 2h** axe. Literally finisher who loses to a spamable.

 

His only weakness over FS at that mode is AR and attack speed, and those wont close the deal of deff and high block he maintains.

 

Its you who didnt play FS/KS, and havent seen other classes,  because of all you have claimed.

KS 1h literally cant kill anything, and mech's brute force with 1h is far higher than KS's, who cant kill anything with 2 crits of GC with 1h.

With 2h ks literally still has lower damage than 1h claw MS, way less block. While the AR and crit advantage of ks dont cover that gap.(Not a complete paper like 2h fs, but still terrible tanking abillity, and the class itself attacks slowly- which also helps his enemies a lot ).

Also ofc- mech can hitkill him too XD.

 

 

Tested  KS at EB with 146 sword, vs Mech 2h 146 hammer, and the diffrence at 1v1 DPS is small ( depends mostly on opponent mob's type )

The main diff is mostly KS's AOE DPS ( without a tank ).

 

 

If any party refuses a power mech, its mostly due to wrong first impression. His DPS are fine at EB, especially 1v1 mobs ( Yet at Easy LC its defiantly justified, but remember, mech has hard LC, while most melees dont).

 

 

This is a very comprehensive analysis of MS and thanks for regaining my confidence in MS. I play a lvl 146 power MS. I have full 136 aged gears (claw shield armor and 2h hammer) with decent set/boss set. Yet a lvl 132 ks out damage me in beecave boss. And when I go to SS, a slightly higher level KS can tank and kill 3 mobs at a time while I can only do it when I have all of the defensive skills on. It's impossible to kill at that mode. So my conclusion was that KS can not only kill faster than power ms but can tank better as well. 

 

It makes me sad and I thought about trying to switch to a KS. Also, I reached LC level and saved up a few keys, however, I'm too scared to ask to join LC parties because I heard MS are not welcome in Easy modes. 

 

So if I reset my str to health, with all defensive skills on and aged gears, can I tank LC hard mode? 

 

 

[Lyseria 1,825]

1 hour ago, exyzus said:

 

This is a very comprehensive analysis of MS and thanks for regaining my confidence in MS. I play a lvl 146 power MS. I have full 136 aged gears (claw shield armor and 2h hammer) with decent set/boss set. Yet a lvl 132 ks out damage me in beecave boss. And when I go to SS, a slightly higher level KS can tank and kill 3 mobs at a time while I can only do it when I have all of the defensive skills on. It's impossible to kill at that mode. So my conclusion was that KS can not only kill faster than power ms but can tank better as well. 

 

It makes me sad and I thought about trying to switch to a KS. Also, I reached LC level and saved up a few keys, however, I'm too scared to ask to join LC parties because I heard MS are not welcome in Easy modes. 

 

So if I reset my str to health, with all defensive skills on and aged gears, can I tank LC hard mode? 

 

 

Trust me, with the items/relics/gems the MS he tested have, even an archer can tank 3 mobs in SS 🤣