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[Phantasus 65]

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Edited July 28, 2023 by Phantasus

[moobie1988 1,234]

27 minutes ago, Phantasus said:

Hi, i want to know how you expierience the Pikeman Class after the nerfs and share expierience with each others/discuss this.

 

MY PS LVL 157:

- build all minimum, max Strength.

- End Weapon Agony Spear + 24

+30 STR from Pentagonal Ruby Gems

+ Triadic +2 Earings with max Atk Rating 

+ SB 3 DNT with max Attack Rating

+ New Belt with extra Atk Rating

+ No Relics 

 

Brace i have 140 Sol Dex 98 Agility and 110 Brace Sol Dex 70 Agility.

 

My expierience:

 

1. In PVE: 140 Brace 98 Agility vs  110 Brace  70 Agility (win 28 STR Points), the 140 Brace miss more then the 110 Brace. I don't understand this but for PVE i use the 110 Brace because my Pike can get more atk power and it miss less then 140 Brace. 

 

2. In PVP my PS miss alot with that build and 140 brace. also against lower levels then my Pike (for people that argue with levels). With 140 Brace he has 4088 Attack Rating and he miss alot especially against classes with high Defense (KS, SS, MGS, PRS). I also tried 250 Agility and the result is the same. So i would like to know how it is with 144 Brace. Will it be the same or you guys feel a difference in your PS have better Hit Rate?

 

3. What do you think about Jump Crash? It has Demon Bonus Damage. IMO this skill is slowly. This skill can miss. This skill can fail to crit, then the damage is low and CL win definetly. When JumpCrash crits, then the damage is compareable with 2 criticals Hits + 1 regular Hit or 3 Critical Hits of Chain Lancer against DEMONS only (PS have big range in damage so it depends). Also you have to cancel another important Tier 3 Skill to get JumpCrash. 

 

Therefore My result is: for PVE its not worth to use this skill. You loose another important Tier 3 Skill like Venom Spear, Tornado or Vanish. It doesnt give you any benefit. You can just use assassine eye + chain lancer and thats against all monster types. And on Top having another Tier 3 skill that is important for Pike Game, instead of wasting it for JC.

 

For PVP: in sumary not worth to use this. The 30% extra AR doesnt work. It cant Hitkill. It doesnt work good with Vorpal Dive, because the time break between VP and JC is too big, easy to Pot for enemy. And VP and SM is the better combo here then JC + SM. JC cancels Vanish doesnt matter if get a Hit or Miss. What left is JC + SM combo but this doesnt work good for me, miss alot and have better success rate when using Vorpal Dive + ShadowMaster. And if Vorpal Dive fail, then my vanish still active and can use another attack strategy/another skill. But when Jumcrash fails, then also vanish is canceled. Thats an important thing to see.

 

i am very interested to hear from other people what they think about Pike and how they feel it now. 

 

 

Hi, Pike Class in my opinion is one of the best hit and run class this is in comparison to assassin Class. Survivability is higher thanks to Dodge and Vorpal Dive. Both Skills can both be used offensively and defensively depending on the situation and player judgement. Defensively because of Dodge Pike Class can even wear Costumes +1 Attackspeed sacrificing Defense and Abs. Offensively Pike Class has a lot in its arsenal. Both Offense and Crowd Control, Shadow Master is one of the favourite skills and widely used because the multiple hits brings higher chance of killing the target. You also have Chainlance 3 hits of pure power the only tier 3 skill for melee class that can land 3 hits on a target. Charging strike a strong burst skill. Kill rate might be low but if opponent being hit by other clanmates, the 3 hits can actually bring down even the toughest tanks around.  Combining all of this with Vanish, Assassins Eye, Ground Pike. The class is basically OP to be honest. Its got everything it needs to kill and tank damage. The only downside I think is that it needs a lot of SKill points due to passive and other useful skills but it would still not limit its desirability.

 

Pike Class and Assassin Class user here. Both CLass I enjoy just because they both have cool moves and requires a more player skill application as compared to other spam class. 

 

Hope that helps

[moobie1988 1,234]

10 minutes ago, Phantasus said:

 

That sounds good in theory, but i personally don't expierience that and therefore i would like to hear from other Pikeman Players to share expierience. I would like to investigate the Problem so i know what to do. What left is to increase the Brace from 140 to 144. But before i would really like to hear other opinions. Cuz Damage Wise there is nothing i can do, maybe level up to 158 but thats it. Its max strength already and end weapon and +30 Penta Gems, should be enough Damage wise. But after vanish nerf need to connect Hits now and the missing rate in my case is very high also against other lower then level 157 (you know me i pvp alot)

 

About OP thing - if 21% Evade and 1584 HP (any PS 157-160 Pure STR no tulla relic will have ~ 1600 HP)  is OP for you, then whe need to talk abou the Definition of OP. Not mention that its Missing extremly alot, a 2h class that loose Def/Abs and needs Dodge that works for 4 Hits. 

 

Costumes are not able to use Gems and loose abs/def. if pure Hit an Run class like  assassine might be an Option. For Rangers costumes are another Topic. For Pike now he is not pure Hit and Run anymore because of vanish nerf. You need now Defense, you need Gems for more Power. i tried already costume and aged armor with +15 STR Gem, and the Armor is the better Option for Pike. You cant play Hit and Run against anyone who has Def items and who has HP cuz it wont work. Only CS can hit him down IF you get the Rare Hit you need, but you have to waste Dodge for It. You have to see that there are many classes, if using costume then after vanish/Dodge what will happen?  Dead. Easy food for SS, PRs, Rangers in general and also Melee FS etc. So that is not an argument, PS needs Armor. Summer Costume Sol Finess +17 Abs +100 HP, but Armors you get defense, much more abs, 50abs+  is more then the 100 HP against everyone and pvp/pve) + Gem inside +15 STR is more power and + HP + Attack Rating. So the summer costume is not able to compete the aged armors for PVP since PS is not pure Hit and Run anymore. He is a hybrid now but the lack in the Attack Rating (might change with 144 Brace not sure about it)

 

you one of the guys that is protecting something that is nerfed and idk why you do this, even saying OP, when obviously many Pikes are not happy what happend. I see many try to sell their 146 spear me included (but cant sell it), why they want to sell when its end weapon? Because we see with our eyes and we not dump 

 

I want to hear from other players active pikes not fakes what is their opinion and their expierience, so it helps me and other people in game.

I would suggest you play a different class and compare. All class miss. No class here will always land a hit. Because defense,abs,evade. And then you get to miss. You may consider all of those as miss. But they are all different but all result to a no damage.

 

Even if you wear the best bracelet and place all your stats to booost attack rating you will still miss. The only thing you can do to improve it. Use all the buffs available ingame but not limited to archer buff. It helps.

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5 hours ago, Phantasus said:

i want to know how you expierience the Pikeman Class after the nerfs

pike didn't got nerfed, it's just placebo. his pvp status has been the same almost  a year.

Also, 157 character & no relics is low level for current standards, and since you didn't mention, Draxos and set 144 are essentially must have atm, scythe 146 is just one piece of the puzzle.

[buttertoast 94]

 

36 minutes ago, - D E A T H S T R O K E - said:

pike didn't got nerfed, it's just placebo. his pvp status has been the same almost  a year.

Also, 157 character & no relics is low level for current standards, and since you didn't mention, Draxos and set 144 are essentially must have atm, scythe 146 is just one piece of the puzzle.

 

lmao i swear people on this server hate pikeman... why even comment such bull****?

i think people are butt hurt because they got killed by pike i dont get it other way why they so mad about pikes

people dont even play pike and comment stuff they dont even played just heard some where or they just dream lol

 

i played pike from lvl 0 and its very hard / impossible for low lvl until 16x ..you need a prs or a tank or always +10 abs halloween head and other buffs

maybe when you have all high end items all relics, all buffs etc then its possible to tank a few monsters in EB but we have maybe 1-2 pikes on the server who have this

since the last nerf with range and area nerf from tornado the char is even weaker for low lvls... the nerf was ok for high lvl pikes because they dont really need tornado anymore except for 2 monsters in eb and then range and area doesnt matter anyways

 

[BigFoot 375]

4 minutes ago, buttertoast said:

 

 

lmao i swear people on this server hate pikeman... why even comment such bull****?

i think people are butt hurt because they got killed by pike i dont get it other way why they so mad about pikes

people dont even play pike and comment stuff they dont even played just heard some where or they just dream lol

 

i played pike from lvl 0 and its very hard / impossible for low lvl until 16x ..you need a prs or a tank or always +10 abs halloween head and other buffs

maybe when you have all high end items all relics, all buffs etc then its possible to tank a few monsters in EB but we have maybe 1-2 pikes on the server who have this

since the last nerf with range and area nerf from tornado the char is even weaker for low lvls... the nerf was ok for high lvl pikes because they dont really need tornado anymore except for 2 monsters in eb and then range and area doesnt matter anyways

 

PS is a cool class, nice looks, nice and completed skills from attack, chase, run, defense...

But yeah, others classes hates PS because nobody likes being hit and run. 

I think PS still good in PvP, but need some buffs in PvE

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1 hour ago, buttertoast said:

lmao i swear people on this server hate pikeman.

 try to go pvp with a 157 FS without relic, draxos, armor/set 144 against anyone with those items. Pike is the cheapest character to play on pvp, the fact that this dude only had scythe 146 and somewhat managed to go pvp shows that, since most of pike Hit&run defensive power is dodge + vague + teleport anyway.  Most of classes need at bare minimum draxos and tulla relic to work.

he's complaining that a pike 15x with no relics isn't killing someone mostly likely higher level than him (vaimalandra is 16x with draxos+ relics), and his tests were with a prs 15x full health ?? this is not a pike problem, this problem is called item powercrept, new items being much more powerful than old items.

 

As for not being able to tank on PvE, again, not a pike problem, many classes have the same issue. The problem is that monsters have too much damage for their level, wpt staff should have adjusted this long time ago, but when they tried they bugged sod.

 

and, once again, stop going ballistic against everyone, you're clearly at mid level at best, you are the one who barely know what you're talking about

 

Edited July 7, 2023 by - D E A T H S T R O K E -

[SynisterEYES 25]

Hello guys.

 

I played with pike long time ago and at that time, there are no 5th Tier.

 

So, my question: Is a pike good char for solo hunt? I never go to xp. 

[Phantasus 65]

On 7/7/2023 at 7:09 PM, - D E A T H S T R O K E - said:

 try to go pvp with a 157 FS without relic, draxos, armor/set 144 against anyone with those items. Pike is the cheapest character to play on pvp, the fact that this dude only had scythe 146 and somewhat managed to go pvp shows that, since most of pike Hit&run defensive power is dodge + vague + teleport anyway.  Most of classes need at bare minimum draxos and tulla relic to work.

he's complaining that a pike 15x with no relics isn't killing someone mostly likely higher level than him (vaimalandra is 16x with draxos+ relics), and his tests were with a prs 15x full health ?? this is not a pike problem, this problem is called item powercrept, new items being much more powerful than old items.

 

As for not being able to tank on PvE, again, not a pike problem, many classes have the same issue. The problem is that monsters have too much damage for their level, wpt staff should have adjusted this long time ago, but when they tried they bugged sod.

 

and, once again, stop going ballistic against everyone, you're clearly at mid level at best, you are the one who barely know what you're talking about

 

 

Close pls

 

Edited July 28, 2023 by Phantasus

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24 minutes ago, Phantasus said:

played different classes before also FS.... it was crap

thanks, so the problem isn't pike.

 

27 minutes ago, Phantasus said:

Piked efinetly got nerfed lol everyone know that Vanish + Shadow Master cant hitkill anymore 

 pike damage formula on game is:

{[(base damage + damage boost%) + vanish boost] * [crit damage + eye bonus]} * final damage boost ( prs/mage buffs) * pvp modifier ( currently at 0.2) - ABS

none of that changed last patch.

 

[Overlady 5,238]

Hey there!

 

We did not nerf Pikeman, the only Vanish indirect change I can recall is from the patch 5263, 1 year ago.

 

Quote

 Jumping Crash

• (PVE/PVP) Attack rating boost reduced from 60% to 30%;
• (PVP) Damage boost increased from 89% to 131%;
• (PVP) Now will only use 25% of Vanish Damage Boost (NEW);
• (PVE) Cooldown removed.

 

Best,

Overlady

[moobie1988 1,234]

I believe in player mastery of a class. Some players gain their characters through purchasing which in the end results to inexperienced players. There is nothing wrong in purchasing a higher account given that you have mastered the class. But if your an inexperienced player and gained a highlevel character.  You might get disappointed, Even if you have the best gear. Against an equally equipped but skilled player the results will show, that a well experienced player might even win with a lower tier equipment against you. 

 

In PVP  pikeman class is more on player skills judgement 55% and 45% on equipment. Just because of these skills shadow master, ground pike , vanish, assassins eye, Dodge, vorpal dive and the most important safe zone. The importance of when you trigger these skills will show how good you are and will even bring down the toughest opponents. All experienced pikeman players will understand what I mean.

[disable1000 511]

39 minutes ago, moobie1988 said:

I believe in player mastery of a class. Some players gain their characters through purchasing which in the end results to inexperienced players. There is nothing wrong in purchasing a higher account given that you have mastered the class. But if your an inexperienced player and gained a highlevel character.  You might get disappointed, Even if you have the best gear. Against an equally equipped but skilled player the results will show, that a well experienced player might even win with a lower tier equipment against you. 

 

In PVP  pikeman class is more on player skills judgement 55% and 45% on equipment. Just because of these skills shadow master, ground pike , vanish, assassins eye, Dodge, vorpal dive and the most important safe zone. The importance of when you trigger these skills will show how good you are and will even bring down the toughest opponents. All experienced pikeman players will understand what I mean.

Ping also matters 😂

[poosh1 207]

-1 pike is one of the best class for PVP and even pike players are happy with his balance. I agree with deathstroke said you will need a tulla relic to be really strong in pvp now (for all classes). 

I think only class that can need a buff now maybe is MS. ^^ 

[BigFoot 375]

11 minutes ago, Phantasus said:

 

Nah my Pike with my items is **** miss all the time is paper fake balance only $$ counts 

 

Normaly at any server pike with end weapon is not like this. For PVE its also **** but i didnt changed from FS to PS for PVE 

 

talking about PVP against levels 150-160

 

Again my PS is level 157 no relics but his build is pure strength 4088 Atk Rating, 1584 HP

 

Spear 146+24 +15 Strength Gem

Armor 140+24 DNT +15 Strength Gem

Draxos Boots Sol Velocity Mix

Gaunts 140 Sol Vit Mix

Brace 140 Sol Dexterity Mix

SB3 DNT Sol Mix

X2 Triadic+2 Earings perfect Attack Rating

Leviathan Belt+1 Perfect Attack Rating

 

Its crap, missing rate is extremly high. Cant kill anything, die very easy even KS with 1h sword need 2 crit and its dead. Where is the problem here? It was BETTER before even with only +15 STR and now improved attack rating and power but still trash. So i giving up this class and also this server too cuz trying to tell me something its good when it isnt. 

 

When played FS with Full 144 items but no end weapon (138 Axe/Sword) it was trash and the answer was need end weapon.

 

Now have end weapon the answer is need relics. 

 

I dont need a Pike like this. For PVE i dont need it any Shaman with 142 PH or KS with 142/138 Sword is better for PVE. Also FS is better then PS in PVE. 

 

In the past when 138 scythe was end weapon i played PS too and it was better then now and at that time Gems wasnt there, used Summer Costume and it was better. Now all that items Gems End Weapon and its trash

 

Pure P2W - Hunt Fake - Dead BC 

 

Why i am here why

Maybe check your internet connection. I do miss alot when it lag. Can you tell us your ping rate today, please? Or tell us your in game name, we can check it for you.

Edited July 9, 2023 by BigFoot

[kagura282212 49]

LOL ! PS is the Top Annoying char in BC They just Hit and Run. And can Tank 4 to 5 hitters then Jump away 

[bernd88 180]

1 minute ago, kagura282212 said:

LOL ! PS is the Top Annoying char in BC They just Hit and Run. And can Tank 4 to 5 hitters then Jump away 

 

thanks for admitting yall just mad asf at pike because he kills you in BC LOL

cry more

 

most people here never played pike and know nothing about pike and it shows go cry more little babies

[Phantasus 65]

3 hours ago, BigFoot said:

Maybe check your internet connection. I do miss alot when it lag. Can you tell us your ping rate today, please? Or tell us your in game name, we can check it for you.

 

-ShadowMaster- is the In game name. You can try it, if you need shared password no problem

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3 hours ago, bernd88 said:

cry more

you're the one crying here, everyone here is saying pike is fine as it is, but you and phantasus are whining non stop every week.

[moobie1988 1,234]

I can play your ps for you and show you its not weak and its more on your skills as playing the ps class rather than the class itself.

 

 

Send me your shared Password and I will have a go at your ps.

TEST Done:

 

Conclusion:

 

This Topics view is in Duel Mode and not the weakness of Pikeman Class.

 

As we all know Duel mode is never a fair fight. Levels, Relics, Bless Castle Buff, Sod BUff. All Factors in apart from the level and equipment difference. 

 

Advised the player to play in BC with mule buff to improve his chances in landing hits and improve his survivability  against players with better gears and level.

 

Kind regards,

 

 

 

 

Edited July 11, 2023 by moobie1988

[Phantasus 65]

23 hours ago, moobie1988 said:

I can play your ps for you and show you its not weak and its more on your skills as playing the ps class rather than the class itself.

 

 

Send me your shared Password and I will have a go at your ps.

TEST Done:

 

Conclusion:

 

This Topics view is in Duel Mode and not the weakness of Pikeman Class.

 

As we all know Duel mode is never a fair fight. Levels, Relics, Bless Castle Buff, Sod BUff. All Factors in apart from the level and equipment difference. 

 

Advised the player to play in BC with mule buff to improve his chances in landing hits and improve his survivability  against players with better gears and level.

 

Kind regards,

 

 

 

 

 

cant test more bro sold the 146 spear. ty for your help

Edited July 12, 2023 by Phantasus