NERF BRAWLER SOD ?

[bernd88 180]

+1

 

also buff pike

[koyori 13]

+1

[celepsix 7]

+1

[Wpt93 72]

11 hours ago, Wushi said:

Only SOD?

Yes sod, 90kk + grotesc !

4 hours ago, namco9x said:

Você vem do clã KOM. Quando seu clã tem 3 BS fortes 2noob e tolyHoag top 1 SOD , por que você não chora? Agora 1 char abaixo de 10lvl. 1 char abaixo de 3 lvl e troca de classe você vai chorar.... haha 🤪 🤪 🤪

What does this have to do with the topic? ... 🤡

[Aikilu Barretos 2]

+1

[killer01 39]

+1 

[-DarkSide- 116]

+1

[GiacMoBinhYen 94]

13 hours ago, Wpt93 said:

The ranking already speaks for itself, the difference is grotesque.

 

 

None of the BS has won Ghost Castle in the last 2 years but fighter. Looking at individual score in clan SOD, Pri's PVE damage is still the best in my opinion. BS is certainly not the best for PVE.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

13 hours ago, poosh1 said:

+111 i was against nerf any class but this is a real mutant 

the best for sod, the best for SW, the best for pvp

something has to be done, or buff all other classes to reach Brawler level or do something against, because it's not fun at all to face this class. 

Her AOE skill can reach 2k (dont miss, low delay), block skills high, dmg reduction, force belt low delay, wtf? why make a char so tanker and still such a killer?  Her "weak" point used to be slow but with Pummel buff (or not bug) it's fast as hell..

It wasn't a problem when only few players used this class, but now that many are changing to abuse it's disgusting.

 

Muzamba is at level 168, K.Cafecake is at level 162, and xNervosax is at level 161. This information only becomes relevant if there are considerations for adjustments, particularly with regard to SS. 

11 hours ago, redwaker said:

Checked, right now there are 52 prs 160+ in the server. But only 19 brawlers 160+ ...

Well, BS isn`t better at all? Why u dont play as brawler? It has a lot of pain points too, go check bs.

 

I agree. The data won't lie. The number of BS players remains a minority when compared to others.

[kenibok 1,075]

14 hours ago, Wushi said:

Only SOD?

 

thanks

+1

also adjust pike in the process

-xoxo

[urdead123 84]

-1

[demolidor 30]

-1 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[Femme[F]atale 197]

+1

[PrisPris 52]

+111111

fix bs

[juanico1 6]

+1

[xokitooh 0]

-1 ever

[Megakiller 37]

+1

magics and ranger lower than best pvp char? best duel class best sod class too?

[Wpt93 72]

+1

[Labun41 10]

+1, more towards pvp

Edited February 16, 2024 by Labun41

[Bé 287]

To be honest, I don't know if it's more about nerf BS or buff others classes. Maybe in my opinion it's more about REMOVING SW buff in SOD. 

 

Take a look at the top 20 SOD today (16.02.2024):

 

Here we have: 6 PRIS, 3 SHAMAN, 3 KS, 3 PS, 2 MAGES, 2 BS, 1 FS. None: ATA, ASS, AS, MS. 

 

Yeah. I'm the top 01 SOD scorer in this moment but I'm sure that one of the reason for it was the SW crown. 

 

Because of this, I think that we can nerf BS as much as we want and the problem would still be here.

With the gold crown KS starts the R8 with 45kk at hand and in just ONE round they do 40kk more. Pris can make something like 55kk~ at round 6. 

 

Every class has its ups and downs. It's the way the game are made. I'm sure that Bs is strong, but I'm not sure that BS is the stronger at the moment. 

 

In my case, I really think that the score I made was much more about my items, relics, level, shops, then the class itself because I'm 12/12 relics, centlon, uppruni gaunt, otara, armor 148 +30 str, fist 146 +30 str AND fist 146 +30 health (I switch it to be more or less tankier). 

 

 

So, my point is:

1. Maybe it would be good to buff AOE skills from others class 

2. Maybe it would be good if we REMOVE the crown from SW, so players without clan can compete more

3. Maybe it would be good if we can make SOD just like any other DG, that we can enter whenever we want (WHEN It's for the ONLY purpose of getting SOD crown)

 

I don't know. That's what I feel about SOD.

[kenibok 1,075]

excuse

5 hours ago, Bé said:

To be honest, I don't know if it's more about nerf BS or buff others classes. Maybe in my opinion it's more about REMOVING SW buff in SOD. 

 

Take a look at the top 20 SOD today (16.02.2024):

 

Here we have: 6 PRIS, 3 SHAMAN, 3 KS, 3 PS, 2 MAGES, 2 BS, 1 FS. None: ATA, ASS, AS, MS. 

 

Yeah. I'm the top 01 SOD scorer in this moment but I'm sure that one of the reason for it was the SW crown. 

 

Because of this, I think that we can nerf BS as much as we want and the problem would still be here.

With the gold crown KS starts the R8 with 45kk at hand and in just ONE round they do 40kk more. Pris can make something like 55kk~ at round 6. 

 

Every class has its ups and downs. It's the way the game are made. I'm sure that Bs is strong, but I'm not sure that BS is the stronger at the moment. 

 

In my case, I really think that the score I made was much more about my items, relics, level, shops, then the class itself because I'm 12/12 relics, centlon, uppruni gaunt, otara, armor 148 +30 str, fist 146 +30 str AND fist 146 +30 health (I switch it to be more or less tankier). 

 

 

So, my point is:

1. Maybe it would be good to buff AOE skills from others class 

2. Maybe it would be good if we REMOVE the crown from SW, so players without clan can compete more

3. Maybe it would be good if we can make SOD just like any other DG, that we can enter whenever we want (WHEN It's for the ONLY purpose of getting SOD crown)

 

I don't know. That's what I feel about SOD.

 

very elaborated post but unluckily its kinda ignoring (or just purposely picking) the real problem; most people scoring on top sod do have the same items you do, add or take a couple levels and still top classes remain top, so nope, its class >>> everything else and its proven reset after reset, regardless of crowns, have you seen an ata in top 10? top 30?? top 40?? Top players change to AS/MS and score 25kk?

 

The classes that score more, pointed by you, are BS, KS, because of #1 top tankyness and excellent AoE. Damage reduction is top defensive method, add block and excess of HP for bs, add defense for KS.

 

BS AoE needs no target, is fast (and gets faster by retaliation) and facilitates killing spawning mobs. Unlike KS, PRS. but i dont think it needs nerfing, its the tanking mostly

 

Priestess loses advantage because of lack of tankyness (sacrifice in health/damage), compensated by killing on lower rounds. This can be easily fixed changing Ranger monsters to a lower area (and watch BS take over again, maybe mage too)

 

You see SoD scores DO depend on class characteristics and type of AoE skills; Brawler has an advantage at SoD and SW structures cause its top tank and AoE crazy, we’re not going to ignore Shattered Impact is back to super high damage for an unblockeable, undefendable, unevadeable skill; yeah you could consider buffing other classes… it means buff 10~9 classes, or nerf (1), the solution is obvious

 

Brawler needs a small damage defensive nerf either on damage reduction % or final block (block is additive and consistent; unlike evade or defense) and/or remove hitkilling skills cause top tanker shouldn’t also be hitkiller; 100% Fix Shattered impact

 

PS: most of your mentioned items don’t make ANY of a difference at all; what does Otara earring bring you on PvE? Does centlon brace do anything for you at SoD? 3% precision against monsters that don’t have evasion

[Alunbrozyen 28]

51 minutes ago, kenibok said:

excuse

 

very elaborated post but unluckily its kinda ignoring (or just purposely picking) the real problem; most people scoring on top sod do have the same items you do, add or take a couple levels and still top classes remain top, so nope, its class >>> everything else and its proven reset after reset, regardless of crowns, have you seen an ata in top 10? top 30?? top 40?? Top players change to AS/MS and score 25kk?

 

The classes that score more, pointed by you, are BS, KS, because of #1 top tankyness and excellent AoE. Damage reduction is top defensive method, add block and excess of HP for bs, add defense for KS.

 

BS AoE needs no target, is fast (and gets faster by retaliation) and facilitates killing spawning mobs. Unlike KS, PRS. but i dont think it needs nerfing, its the tanking mostly

 

Priestess loses advantage because of lack of tankyness (sacrifice in health/damage), compensated by killing on lower rounds. This can be easily fixed changing Ranger monsters to a lower area (and watch BS take over again, maybe mage too)

 

You see SoD scores DO depend on class characteristics and type of AoE skills; Brawler has an advantage at SoD and SW structures cause its top tank and AoE crazy, we’re not going to ignore Shattered Impact is back to super high damage for an unblockeable, undefendable, unevadeable skill; yeah you could consider buffing other classes… it means buff 10~9 classes, or nerf (1), the solution is obvious

 

Brawler needs a small damage defensive nerf either on damage reduction % or final block (block is additive and consistent; unlike evade or defense) and/or remove hitkilling skills cause top tanker shouldn’t also be hitkiller; 100% Fix Shattered impact

 

PS: most of your mentioned items don’t make ANY of a difference at all; what does Otara earring bring you on PvE? Does centlon brace do anything for you at SoD? 3% precision against monsters that don’t have evasion

Are u jealous? stop crying! His account value is almost a DODGE FCKING RAM! respect him, kiss his feet bro!!! Stop cry! 
 

 

Edited February 16, 2024 by Alunbrozyen

[xkintaro 1,940]

31 minutes ago, Alunbrozyen said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

About topic:

 

changing a specific char is totally palliative, it could be that the BS is actually above the average for chars, and then becomes another class above the average, and here we gonna again ask for a new nerf...

 

What needs to be done is a full reword in the sod, in the monsters, in the gold reward, something that is fairer for all classes, "SURVIVE OR DIE" there is nothing more about SOD in SOD, it's just who has the most AOE = earn more gold.

Edited February 16, 2024 by xkintaro

[Bé 287]

1 hour ago, kenibok said:

excuse

 

very elaborated post but unluckily its kinda ignoring (or just purposely picking) the real problem; most people scoring on top sod do have the same items you do, add or take a couple levels and still top classes remain top, so nope, its class >>> everything else and its proven reset after reset, regardless of crowns, have you seen an ata in top 10? top 30?? top 40?? Top players change to AS/MS and score 25kk?

 

The classes that score more, pointed by you, are BS, KS, because of #1 top tankyness and excellent AoE. Damage reduction is top defensive method, add block and excess of HP for bs, add defense for KS.

 

BS AoE needs no target, is fast (and gets faster by retaliation) and facilitates killing spawning mobs. Unlike KS, PRS. but i dont think it needs nerfing, its the tanking mostly

 

Priestess loses advantage because of lack of tankyness (sacrifice in health/damage), compensated by killing on lower rounds. This can be easily fixed changing Ranger monsters to a lower area (and watch BS take over again, maybe mage too)

 

You see SoD scores DO depend on class characteristics and type of AoE skills; Brawler has an advantage at SoD and SW structures cause its top tank and AoE crazy, we’re not going to ignore Shattered Impact is back to super high damage for an unblockeable, undefendable, unevadeable skill; yeah you could consider buffing other classes… it means buff 10~9 classes, or nerf (1), the solution is obvious

 

Brawler needs a small damage defensive nerf either on damage reduction % or final block (block is additive and consistent; unlike evade or defense) and/or remove hitkilling skills cause top tanker shouldn’t also be hitkiller; 100% Fix Shattered impact

 

PS: most of your mentioned items don’t make ANY of a difference at all; what does Otara earring bring you on PvE? Does centlon brace do anything for you at SoD? 3% precision against monsters that don’t have evasion

Yeah, bro. You're right, for sure. 

 

But just for the sake of the topic, I would to add some points in regards of what you have said:

 

1. I also think that some chars cannot perfome so well in SOD. I thought I was clear about it, but if I wasn't, I'm now. That's why I think buffing them is a good think. I would like to see mech more often, for example. 

 

2. Yeah. I do agree that the SOD depend on class characteristics and type of AoE skills. And yes, BS has a skill that just hit the ground and do damage. The same way pikeman has a skill that turns it invisible. So what? Blast wave as far as I know has a low range and DPS in comparison with others classes. That's what overlady said:

 

 

3. I think that you, in some point, said things about PVP. For the sake of this post, I think I'm going to just say about PVE, because PVP would need way more things to consider. 

 

4. Like said here: Nerfing it wouldn't help others classes and the discusion would still be here. 

5. BS skill is not fast. I think he's the character with the lowest attack speed in the game. Hitting mobs consistently is the key to perform well in SOD, and that's a good thing for BS yes

6.  BS do not tank SOD as easy as some ppl think. When I didn't had these items I didn't. And I think that most BS don't do it, and that's the reason there is few BS at the ranking now. 

 

7. About items, bro, I'm sorry but even if I'm not here to teach you anything, I can say to you that otara, for example, has add on HP lvl/25. That's really good for PVE

 

But, to be honest, I don't really care too much about nerfing BS or not. If its for the sake of the game, its really ok for me. It's just that I would like to share my opinion here and I did xD

 

 

 

 

Edited February 16, 2024 by Bé

[intramus12 120]

5 hours ago, kenibok said:

excuse

 

very elaborated post but unluckily its kinda ignoring (or just purposely picking) the real problem; most people scoring on top sod do have the same items you do, add or take a couple levels and still top classes remain top, so nope, its class >>> everything else and its proven reset after reset, regardless of crowns, have you seen an ata in top 10? top 30?? top 40?? Top players change to AS/MS and score 25kk?

 

The classes that score more, pointed by you, are BS, KS, because of #1 top tankyness and excellent AoE. Damage reduction is top defensive method, add block and excess of HP for bs, add defense for KS.

 

BS AoE needs no target, is fast (and gets faster by retaliation) and facilitates killing spawning mobs. Unlike KS, PRS. but i dont think it needs nerfing, its the tanking mostly

 

Priestess loses advantage because of lack of tankyness (sacrifice in health/damage), compensated by killing on lower rounds. This can be easily fixed changing Ranger monsters to a lower area (and watch BS take over again, maybe mage too)

 

You see SoD scores DO depend on class characteristics and type of AoE skills; Brawler has an advantage at SoD and SW structures cause its top tank and AoE crazy, we’re not going to ignore Shattered Impact is back to super high damage for an unblockeable, undefendable, unevadeable skill; yeah you could consider buffing other classes… it means buff 10~9 classes, or nerf (1), the solution is obvious

 

Brawler needs a small damage defensive nerf either on damage reduction % or final block (block is additive and consistent; unlike evade or defense) and/or remove hitkilling skills cause top tanker shouldn’t also be hitkiller; 100% Fix Shattered impact

 

PS: most of your mentioned items don’t make ANY of a difference at all; what does Otara earring bring you on PvE? Does centlon brace do anything for you at SoD? 3% precision against monsters that don’t have evasion

Centlon brac actually impact brawler's sod score. Shattered impact can be crit just so you know.
Also shattered impact can be evade by ata buff

Edited February 17, 2024 by intramus12

[kenibok 1,075]

My overall point is that BS excells at PvP and its obvious, but also does on SoD/big HS; which isn’t a problem itself, but it reflects the excess on its defensive capabilities, already mentioned.

 

1 hour ago, Bé said:

2. Yeah. I do agree that the SOD depend on class characteristics and type of AoE skills. And yes, BS has a skill that just hit the ground and do damage. The same way pikeman has a skill that turns it invisible. So what? Blast wave as far as I know has a low range and DPS in comparison with others classes. That's what overlady said:

 

 

 

I don’t see any sense in your comparison its a false analogy fallacy; its avoiding the actual point, i will repeat myself: target-less skill, meaning it can be perpetually casted hitting successfully more monsters; no, thats not what overlady says there; 1. it is between the biggest AoE area of all skills in game, only tornado and Clightning have a chance of bigger area, both require target, both inconsistent. 2. DPS talk is referenced by the highest, which would be assassin, nowhere its stated that BS dps is low nor lower among classes.

 

3 hours ago, Bé said:

4. Like said here: Nerfing it wouldn't help others classes and the discusion would still be here.

 

The topic is called - nerf bs sod - (?). Buffing or nerfing other classes is off kinda topic. It, once again, only states the defensive/offensive advantage.

 

3 hours ago, Bé said:

5. BS skill is not fast. I think he's the character with the lowest attack speed in the game. Hitting mobs consistently is the key to perform well in SOD, and that's a good thing for BS yes

 

1. attack speed doesn’t equal skill speed. Brawler skills are optimized for its speed. Compare blast wave (2 hits) to other AoE’s: Stone spike (8spd),  Sword of justice (8spd) bomb shot (6spd), etc; also its 2 hits. It also gets retaliation speed buff on top. 2. She*

 

3 hours ago, Bé said:

6.  BS do not tank SOD as easy as some ppl think. When I didn't had these items I didn't. And I think that most BS don't do it, and that's the reason there is few BS at the ranking now. 

 

7. About items, bro, I'm sorry but even if I'm not here to teach you anything, I can say to you that otara, for example, has add on HP lvl/25. That's really good for PVE

 

146/148 items obviously make a difference, otara and uppruni don’t. You’d tank more with 148 set than actual (in sod).

 

170/25= 6,8… ~7 extra HP (??). Using Grace earrings +2 equals wearing 4/5 otara earrings. What do you even mean ..?

 

10 minutes ago, intramus12 said:

Centlon brac actually impact brawler's sod score. Shattered impact can be crit just so you know.

 

yeah, another reason to adjust shattered impact, thanks

 

i don’t think brawler is defendable at all, just fix it or buff all other 9 classes

 

im bored now thanks