Looting from Macro players

[Chienlong 61]

Hello.

As you all know we got a lot off macro/botters ingame.

Or just a full party whit 5 afk players who macro/bot, and 1 (active tank) that sometimes react to you. En the other 5 players never respond.

But ok.. Now i have noticed that does Macro party's never pick up any drop, no sheltoms, no 14x drops,etc,etc.

 

So is it Ok to loot from those macro/botters.. I think its ok because they dont respond if you pick up those items..

 

[alternate99 56]

44 minutes ago, Chienlong said:

Hello.

As you all know we got a lot off macro/botters ingame.

Or just a full party whit 5 afk players who macro/bot, and 1 (active tank) that sometimes react to you. En the other 5 players never respond.

But ok.. Now i have noticed that does Macro party's never pick up any drop, no sheltoms, no 14x drops,etc,etc.

 

So is it Ok to loot from those macro/botters.. I think its ok because they dont respond if you pick up those items..

 

Loot it then kill all if warmode. Abusers, game exploits 

[miiros 79]

8 hours ago, Chienlong said:

Hello.

As you all know, we got a lot of macro/botters in the game.

Or just a full group with 5 AFK players who macro/bot and 1 (active tank) who sometimes react to you. The other 5 players never respond.

But ok.. Now I noticed that Macro party never catches any drops, no sheltoms, no 14x drops, etc, etc.

So, is it ok to loot these macro/botters.. I think it's ok because they don't respond if you take these items..

 

It's unfortunate what's happening with Wartale, a very good game, but the MACROS/BOT will kill the server if nothing is done urgently

[Shorex 233]

I do agree, the best version of Wartale out there but sad to say we have lots of botters/abusers here and most of them are top players who are supossedly role models but they are not. 

[Oldschool1 5]

not sure why looting is seen as a bad thing,  they have first dibs on it, if they dont pick it up by the time someone else comes, it should be free to loot.

[miiros 79]

22 hours ago, Chienlong said:

Hello.

As you all know we got a lot off macro/botters ingame.

Or just a full party whit 5 afk players who macro/bot, and 1 (active tank) that sometimes react to you. En the other 5 players never respond.

But ok.. Now i have noticed that does Macro party's never pick up any drop, no sheltoms, no 14x drops,etc,etc.

 

So is it Ok to loot from those macro/botters.. I think its ok because they dont respond if you pick up those items..

 

@Wartale @Overlady @Senpai @L

[???????? 53]

My-guide-how-to-loot-from-macro-players:
Say 'hi', take screenshot, wait reply.
No reply, go loot all, (gold, pots, dagaz, sigel, oredo, 11x~13x items, etc.)
Take screenshot.
Say 'hi' again.
Still no reply, continue to loot. (give them time to respond)
Take screenshot again.
Loot more until you are happy.
After looting, stay there wait for longer a bit. (make sure you really give them time to reply)
Wait longer, still no reply.
Say 'ty'. 
Then take screenshot again. 
Then you can leave.

 

If they respond, they either allow you to loot, or no, then just drop back the loots on floor.
Take screenshot for dropping all the loots back, then leave.
(personally I don't say hi, I just loot, and wait respond)
(and I do this only to test, to try and understand what kind of macro they are using)
 

Same for events:
If you use Miners running around Oasis/Battlefield/etc, you saw many event drops, but they didn't pick up.
You can screenshot.
Then loot all.
Then stay there wait for respond.
If no respond, loot more, sometimes they use Boss Crystal, not macro, but still kind of afk.
Loot more until you are happy.
Take screenshot.
Then wait a bit more. (make sure they really afk)
Take screenshot.
When you are done super happy, you can leave.

 

If they respond, trade them back the loots, they will say 'ty' because you helping them pick-up.
Don't drop on floor, unlike EB, there's tons of trash on floor blocking everything, you don't know if they have loot-filter/loot-flag on, so better to trade back.
(Moonhunter drops don't work though, can only be pick-up by the killer with the moonhunter buff)

 

Regarding the other locked macro post:

Spoiler

m co 2m2u2o2n22 s2o2l2o222k2o22
m có muốn solo ko  (take out the '2's)
em có muốn solo không
Do you want to go solo? (translate)

Too many '2's, I don't get it. 
My own macro, I don't 2222222 in just one line of sentence, so many '2's so easy to judge to be non-human.
Otherwise it's a more advance macro, his HP bar is falling under a threshold, and start the 222222 non-stop. (suppose 2 is his HP pot, not Stm or mana)
 

sua con chuie2w22r222t2i22e22e2ps22
sua con chuie wrt iee ps

Sadly I don't know what this is trying to say.
But this and the previous, both are using '2's only, and the '2's only started after a few alphabet, not at the start of the sentence.
So they got attacked when they chatting? HP bar dropped, potting started?
You guys are giving screenshots, without any context, what happened before and after.
Go be your own detectives.

 

What is macro:

Spoiler

auto-click, which is counted as macro too, the simplest macro.
It is a gaming mouse you can buy from anywhere, it's cheap.

 

Macro cannot be detected, because it's not a program, it does not run in the computer background, so not in CPU or RAM or whatever.
The signals of the auto-clicks, is coming from the mouse to the computer, there's no way to detect it. 
In case you still don't see why cannot be detected for punishment, the mouse is sending the 'clicks' through the wire to the computer, there's no other programs, there's nothing to detect for.
You guys keep asking Game Logs, Game Logs is just showing actions, names, items, etc, there's nothing that shows macro.

Then how about keyboard input? Gaming Mouse nowadays include both keyboard and mouse.
So the mouse send both the keyboards input, and the mouse input, to the computer.
If you know the older days, keyboard macro and mouse macro are separate.
 

The only way is say 'Hi', or 'steal loots', to force that person to respond.
Because macro cannot respond. (obviously)
But people can be macro-ing while checking screens, so it's useless. 
So I always give the argument that 'Hi' or 'steal loots', only cure the symptoms, not the actual disease. 
To cure the disease is to rework the contents.
 

Also people who don't macro, can be just looking at their phones for messages or videos, without staring at the screens, so they fail to respond.
That's why you need to say 'Hi' a few times, or steal the loots for a certain amount of times, to ensure you didn't punish the innocent. 
 

You see how hard that is? 
All those are extra works for GMs.
But also extra works for macro-ers, because they are forced to stare at screen.
(Personally I don't mind GMs go slacking, so I can go bath, wash plates, for 1hr, before coming back to my computer.)
 

Now, what is better macros?
One is that provided by the Gaming Mouse, which is preset, meaning it comes with the mouse.
When you buy it, it already advertised it has macro, designed for certain games.
For example, triple shooting macro (for certain guns), or 180 degree turning macro (so you turn around fast), etc.
 

Another is you write the macro yourself.
Obviously you write it with a program, then upload to your mouse, then you close the program, now your mouse play the script.
This is harder one, to what extent the macro can do, depends on the software and the mouse.
But no matter how advanced it is, it can never be detected, because again there's nothing to be detected for.
 

 

I don't know how many times I explain macro..
You guys need to know what macro is, so you know how to disturb.
 

For me the greatest frustration, is when people keep coming asking for party, especially the old days, when server is more active.
Every 5 mins, there's someone coming to ask party, I have to cancel macro, and restart macro, so I can type 'yes' or 'no', without 123 being inserted into chat.
Macro has a start/finish button binding to the mouse button, it has a sequence, every time you cancel and restart it, you restart the macro from the beginning of the sequence.
That is the frustration.

 

But not everyone hates macro, there were times I told them I'm on macro, you go AFK, they actually don't understand.
Then I kept saying you go AFK, or 'stop kill, me kill only', etc, finally they understand and go AFK, they all 'TY' after they done Daily.
VNs, BRs, over the years, I don't know how many I 'helped' with my macro. 
(actually not wanted to help, but if party kill too fast, my char will just idle there doing nothing, because no mobs to click)
So the thing is macro is just a tool.

 

There was once someone kept Gzz-ing me, he AFK-leeching watching me macro.. 
He asked me things about macro, can't remember the chats, I talked, he kept Gzz or GG.
So you all know the reason you all kept complaining, is because you are rivals.
Supposedly you play together, you don't even hate macro.. 
(I'm not promoting macro, just sharing)

 

There's 2 things that cannot be macro-ed, one is chatting, the other one is looting.
Like if I'm using 2 computers, one is on macro, one is not, I use the one that is not on macro to reply, while the other one continue to macro without canceling/disturbance.
Like example, the old days, you grind trash drops on hunt maps to sell, you need one char to loot, the looting char is never on macro, so just using the looting char to chat.
I never did exp-service, so you can take my views on how you wana think about macro exp-service.
(some of them do RMT for living, they work, not play)

 

Otherwise, the macro people can report you instead, for ks-ing (kill-steal-ing), looting.
And also don't pm them with flaming words, they can also report you that.
GMs are patrolling, so I doubt macro don't check screens, you can try though.

(there's few pilots don't mind you looting all actually)

 

Feel free to delete/warning, nowadays I just play for memories, don't really care.
Btw, Coyote, mailbox muted means a warning, did you troll or what. 
I got all kind of punishments including muted, nowadays GMs too smart though, trolling becomes boring.
(the above is just my own guide for how-to-loot-from-macro-players)

 

 

 

[BigFoot 375]

17 hours ago, miiros said:

It's unfortunate what's happening with Wartale, a very good game, but the MACROS/BOT will kill the server if nothing is done urgently

Macro exist in wartale for a very long time, since SL map already.
But they don't really ban them all because most of them are top server. So don't expect that they will do anything because the moment they totally act for macro, those top server will s.top playing and our gods will lose money.
I know there is a macro team exist from SL to SS, EB and still using macro everyday. Nobody can touch "that" team. 😏
I guess we can only live with it along with SW's lag.

Edited April 8, 2024 by BigFoot

[L 745]

Hi all !

 

First of all, we are constantly checking the possible and reported cases on a daily basis.

 

I'd like to say that in case you see any person breaking the rule #4 (which is related to be playing AFK or using any ilegal software that interacts with Wartale), the person should be reported. So in case you see anything of that,  if you see someone who is " playing " and does not answer, please take the screenshots and use " Report User " section on forum in order to make a report.

 

Looting is actually against the game rules. If you want to suggest something, please use the Suggestions board, so the community can discuss specific suggestions/changes/improvements.

 

Best Regards !

[BigFoot 375]

48 minutes ago, L said:

Hi all !

 

First of all, we are constantly checking the possible and reported cases on a daily basis.

 

I'd like to say that in case you see any person breaking the rule #4 (which is related to be playing AFK or using any ilegal software that interacts with Wartale), the person should be reported. So in case you see anything of that,  if you see someone who is " playing " and does not answer, please take the screenshots and use " Report User " section on forum in order to make a report.

 

Looting is actually against the game rules. If you want to suggest something, please use the Suggestions board, so the community can discuss specific suggestions/changes/improvements.

 

Best Regards !

If i'm checking a party of 6 for macro, only one char reply while the rest of party keeps attack monster and no reply. Can we consider that the rest of party using macro?
If yes, this will be fun for report

Edited April 8, 2024 by BigFoot

[RaiseAgain 262]

Getting lvl up used to be the main resaon of play Wartale .... 

Now all you need is share pw / exp service that use macro  .... lvl up here in this server  is so lame  so lame .....

[Sammy24 13]

the big question is why a lot players still doing it

 

its because no one stop them no solution at all

 

entrance spot where a lot players get punish still the same

 

its because no action to remove mobs there

 

everything same no change and no action

 

bots/macro allowed and soon it will kill everything ingame

[Mamacitah 162]

13 minutes ago, RaiseAgain said:

Getting lvl up used to be the main resaon of play Wartale .... 

Now all you need is share pw / exp service that use macro  .... lvl up here in this server  is so lame  so lame .....

If you check the lvl ranking you can see that people catched up very fast in a short time
I think the idea of Eb failed, not failed in design, failed in mechanics. Its easy to put macro and let player xp in a easy way. You just need 1 Tanker.
The only way to avoid it is to have a map with 1vs1 because if u really want to use again macro its more complicated a) because u will need for every chara 1 tanker( is expensiv and not affordable for everybody) b) you need to take care of all charas . Thats why SS was the better way to keep the leveling balanced 🙂 Since eb is online people lvled very fast.

The Future is clear: 
1vs1 Map and Dungeons with limit of time to enter pay day ( Rich players pay service for lc and xp in a short time + make Keys prices high for casuals since they get non stop consumed)

Edited April 8, 2024 by Mamacitah

[Sammy24 13]

1 hour ago, L said:

Hi all !

 

First of all, we are constantly checking the possible and reported cases on a daily basis.

 

I'd like to say that in case you see any person breaking the rule #4 (which is related to be playing AFK or using any ilegal software that interacts with Wartale), the person should be reported. So in case you see anything of that,  if you see someone who is " playing " and does not answer, please take the screenshots and use " Report User " section on forum in order to make a report.

 

Looting is actually against the game rules. If you want to suggest something, please use the Suggestions board, so the community can discuss specific suggestions/changes/improvements.

 

Best Regards !

 

GM L sir please find solution to all bots/macro who afk in 1 spot and use 6 chars service a lot in eb whole map 6chars 1 person

[Levievan 114]

4 minutes ago, Mamacitah said:

If you check the lvl ranking you can see that people catched up very fast in a short time
I think the idea of Eb failed, not failed in design, failed in mechanics. Its easy to put macro and let player xp in a easy way. You just need 1 Tanker.
The only way to avoid it is to have a map with 1vs1 because if u really want to use again macro its more complicated a) because u will need for every chara 1 tanker b) you need to take care of all charas . Thats why SS was the better way to keep the leveling balanced 🙂 Since eb is online people lvled very fast.

The Future is clear: 
1vs1 Map and Dungeons with limit of time to enter pay day

 

That's right. the UP should only be on 1x1 maps or dungeons, despite finding the key mechanics very unbalanced.

 

There is still time to change the EB mechanics, just 1 mob per spawn, it would balance the game more and make it fairer.

[Sammy24 13]

1 minute ago, Levievan said:

 

That's right. the UP should only be on 1x1 maps or dungeons, despite finding the key mechanics very unbalanced.

 

There is still time to change the EB mechanics, just 1 mob per spawn, it would balance the game more and make it fairer.

 

problem is 1x1 mobs become 6chars a lots mobs in 1 place and use shaman  skill to lure it

[Levievan 114]

17 minutes ago, Sammy24 said:

 

problem is 1x1 mobs become 6chars a lots mobs in 1 place and use shaman  skill to lure it

 

So, in a unique way, transform the full dungeon game. 🤣

[BigFoot 375]

2 hours ago, BigFoot said:

If i'm checking a party of 6 for macro, only one char reply while the rest of party keeps attack monster and no reply. Can we consider that the rest of party using macro?
If yes, this will be fun for report

@L
Please answer this question. Maybe give more details about macro rules. We have many players can help you to report macro player 😁

[Shorex 233]

Better days is still far ahead. Botters everywhere 😔

[Support 4,609]

Hi all,

 

I have addressed this matter few times so here it is again:

When it is considered as AUTO for punishment?

• Griding/Hunting and AFK (Away From Keyboard).
  • Everyone on a party must response when they are greating by someone.
  • The response must be made within 5 minutes.
• Using Tool that allow to use potion automatically.
  • You can report anyone you think using it under report section and we will monitor that person for period of time.
  • Once we can confirm they did use this kind of tool, punishment will be applied.

Is looting allow?

• The simple answer is NO.
• Regardless of what you think the person is AFK or not, the item is not yours.

Regards,

 

Support

[MadTale 764]

45 minutes ago, Support said:

Hi all,

 

I have addressed this matter few times so here it is again:

When it is considered as AUTO for punishment?

• Griding/Hunting and AFK (Away From Keyboard).
  • Everyone on a party must response when they are greating by someone.
  • The response must be made within 5 minutes.
• Using Tool that allow to use potion automatically.
  • You can report anyone you think using it under report section and we will monitor that person for period of time.
  • Once we can confirm they did use this kind of tool, punishment will be applied.

Is looting allow?

• The simple answer is NO.
• Regardless of what you think the person is AFK or not, the item is not yours.

Regards,

 

Support

the point is: nobody plans to log in and find someone to report. we plan to log in and find good game good place good players and just relax to get rid of stress, not get even more stressed.

 

that's the reason game mechanics should be designed in a way if anyone makes use of macro it will simply perform lower than non-macro players. this can be done by giving monsters (or maybe give it to the map itself) some anti-afk skills that makes it impossible for ppl to play 6 acc while whatching netflix.

 

people should try macro and reach conclusion: ok, this is sh't imma play single acc.

 

but current scenario is: "imma test macro...."  5min later... "omg, now i am performing 2000x better! i love macro!"

[Support 4,609]

4 minutes ago, MadTale said:

that's the reason game mechanics should be designed in a way if anyone makes use of macro it will simply perform lower than non-macro players. this can be done by giving monsters (or maybe give it to the map itself) some anti-afk skills that makes it impossible for ppl to play 6 acc while whatching netflix.

Please feel free to use our Suggestion board to provide some idea on how we can have an anti AFK system which also don't inconvience everone else who is not AFK as well.

[MadTale 764]

Just now, Support said:

Please feel free to use our Suggestion board to provide some idea on how we can have an anti AFK system which also don't inconvience everone else who is not AFK as well.

O.o

 

don't you know how to do it already? Centlon and LC are good examples of anti-afk monter skill and anti-afk map.

 

also i don't think every single idea should be posted at suggestion board because:

- 99% of anything in there is just ignored without any kind of staff participation, 99.9999% of time is player x player and topic end up ignored in dust of time.

- I really believe you can read just fine a player's suggestion even if out of suggestion board... you don't need whole topic in order for you to read and have a consideration.

[Wushi 291]

If you suspect someone of using tools not permitted by the rules, you can report them to let the GM verify if there's a violation and take appropriate action. However, refrain from constantly interrupting others with greetings. You're just a player like everyone else and don't have the authority to enforce rules. I once operated six accounts on the EB map, and when I used my laptop, my screen got very crowded. Additionally, all my mages are "pure builds". If everyone constantly greeted me, leading to my character's death or loss of experience, will you compensate me? It's even more absurd to pick up someone else's items. Let's act like adults, children.

Edited April 10, 2024 by Wushi

[harold 44]

long distance spawn each mobs so they cant lure the mobs....best way to fix this issue. for the people of wartale..