PVP balance changes and some inconsistencies

[Sananda 571]

Hello GM, in my opinion there were some errors in the new balance.

Objective was to reduce most class debuffs and some indirectly increased.

Example: KS.

 

 Lightning Sword

• (PVE/PVP) Duration reduced from 10s to 6s;
• (PVP) Cooldown reduced from 24s to 18s;
• (PVP) Cooldown increased from 24s to 30s.

 

Duration reduced from 10s to 6s. (OK)

CD reduced from 24s to 18s. (???)

(-10% feather)  =

24s-10% = 21.6s

18s-10% = 16.2s

 

Before you had 10s to Stum and 21s to charge it = 11s to use the skill again. (every 21 seconds you use the skill again)

Now you have 6s to Stum and 16s  to charge it = 10s to use the skill again. (every 16 seconds you use the skill again)

 

Practically all classes received a reduction in their debuff, except this one, it increased the stum time "indirectly".

In comparison, for example, with PS which lost almost 50% of its freezing time.

 

 Ground Pike Reworked

 

• (PVE/PVP) Freeze duration reduced from 12s to 7s;

 

KS's Skill stum does not have the possibility of using the cleansing pot.

Different from the other Stum skill you can use. (Figher,archer,atalanta,shamann,etc.)

KS's Stum Skill is one of the ones that makes dynamic pvp the most impossible.

 

You need to think that there are many KS in pvp in the same clan, the stum can be overlapping and infinite, it was already like that, but now it will be worse because you have less time to recharge it.

 

 

Edited April 28, 2024 by Sananda

[- D E A T H S T R O K E - 1,764]

It's a typo, 30 seconds pvp and 18 seconds pve on the skill table.

 

Level	Stun Duration	Stun Chance	Strike Area	Damage Boost	Area	Interval	Cooldown (sec) (PvE)	Cooldown (sec) (PvP)	Duration (sec)	MP Usage	SP Usage	Upgrade Fee (gp)
1	0.3	3.2	62	97%	80	0.19	18	30	3	92	100	45,000
2	0.6	3.4	64	104%	80	0.18	18	30	3	95	104	54,000
3	0.9	3.6	66	111%	80	0.17	18	30	3	98	108	63,000
4	1.2	3.8	68	118%	80	0.16	18	30	4	101	112	72,000
5	1.5	4.0	70	125%	80	0.15	18	30	4	104	116	81,000
6	1.8	4.2	72	132%	80	0.14	18	30	4	107	120	90,000
7	2.1	4.4	74	139%	80	0.13	18	30	5	110	124	99,000
8	2.4	4.6	76	146%	80	0.12	18	30	5	113	128	108,000
9	2.7	4.8	78	153%	80	0.11	18	30	5	116	132	117,000
10	3.0	5.0	80	160%	80	0.1	18	30	6

[Sananda 571]

Brawler is also a mistake? I hope so.

This can be applied to the brawler cage as well It lasts 14s but now you can do it much faster.

 

There are many brawlers in pvp and all of them can now remake the cage in less time.

This is not a nerf.

 

Raise Octagon Reworked

• (PVE/PVP) 25% damage vs normal added;
• (PVE/PVP) Cooldown reduced from 40s to 32s;
• (PVP) Duration reduced from 20s to 14s.

Edited April 28, 2024 by Support
Quote in other language got removed

[Overlady 5,239]

23 minutes ago, - D E A T H S T R O K E - said:

It's a typo, 30 seconds pvp and 18 seconds pve on the skill table.

 

Level	Stun Duration	Stun Chance	Strike Area	Damage Boost	Area	Interval	Cooldown (sec) (PvE)	Cooldown (sec) (PvP)	Duration (sec)	MP Usage	SP Usage	Upgrade Fee (gp)
1	0.3	3.2	62	97%	80	0.19	18	30	3	92	100	45,000
2	0.6	3.4	64	104%	80	0.18	18	30	3	95	104	54,000
3	0.9	3.6	66	111%	80	0.17	18	30	3	98	108	63,000
4	1.2	3.8	68	118%	80	0.16	18	30	4	101	112	72,000
5	1.5	4.0	70	125%	80	0.15	18	30	4	104	116	81,000
6	1.8	4.2	72	132%	80	0.14	18	30	4	107	120	90,000
7	2.1	4.4	74	139%	80	0.13	18	30	5	110	124	99,000
8	2.4	4.6	76	146%	80	0.12	18	30	5	113	128	108,000
9	2.7	4.8	78	153%	80	0.11	18	30	5	116	132	117,000
10	3.0	5.0	80	160%	80	0.1	18	30	6

Yes, it was a typo in the PVP/PVE tag

 

16 minutes ago, Sananda said:

 

 

 

Brawler is also a mistake? I hope so.

This can be applied to the brawler cage as well It lasts 14s but now you can do it much faster.

 

There are many brawlers in pvp and all of them can now remake the cage in less time.

This is not a nerf.

 

Raise Octagon Reworked

• (PVE/PVP) 25% damage vs normal added;
• (PVE/PVP) Cooldown reduced from 40s to 32s;
• (PVP) Duration reduced from 20s to 14s.

Yes, Octagon got a nerf, the older cooldown used to be *2 of the duration and now it is ~*2.3, it is also riskier to brawler cast it due the slow cast time + increased cooldown in Force Belt.

Anyway, feel free to give more feedback, we may consider returning the 40s cooldown for PvP 🙂 

 

Best,

Overlady

Edited April 28, 2024 by Overlady

[HollyShot 1,006]

In pvp, the only good point of this balance imo was the reduction of debuffs. Atalanta is the only class that actually improved in amazon range. 

The nerf in enchant weapon and divine force will be an indirect nerf for all other classes, and that will benefit the classes that can deal hit kill anyway (pike/bs). 

My main class (archer) didnt got any balance at all, solar arrow still useless has the same dmg of phoenix shot with a longer cast (should rework or just remove it), that nerf in evade when the class use shield is stupid too (i had hopes to revoke that).

Assassin nerf imo looks like a direct nerf for 1 player, but all other "normal" assassins will suffer. Brawler will still be broken i think. Holy mind duration should get a bigger nerf imo, this skill is abused as hell by mules.

Anyway just hope for the next balance patch. 
 

Edited April 28, 2024 by HollyShot

[Mayreen 973]

5 minutes ago, HollyShot said:

Assassin nerf imo looks like a direct nerf for 1 player, but all other "normal" assassins will suffer

Exactly.... 🙄 and not everyone is 17x full relics full everything like that player so the rest will suffer it..
 

Edited April 28, 2024 by Mayreen

[Sananda 571]

15 minutes ago, Overlady said:

Yes, it was a typo in the PVP/PVE tag

 

Yes, Octagon got a nerf, the older cooldown used to be *2 of the duration and now it is ~*2.3, it is also riskier to brawler cast it due the slow cast time + increased cooldown in Force Belt.

Anyway, feel free to give more feedback 🙂 

 

Best,

Overlady

 

Everything is alright.

 I still don't consider it a good nerf cage brawler, as she can use it much faster. It's practically 15s with a cage and 15s for a new cage.

But that's my opinion, let's see how it works in PVP.

 

Regarding the reduction in pike ice, I thought it was a little exaggerated, practically 50%.

I did the tests in pvp and in practice it lasts 4s.

 

 

I really liked how Amazon works, it was really brilliant.

 

Solar Arrow

You could rethink a good functioning for Solar Arrow in pvp.

It is the archer's last skill with insignificant damage and not very useful function.

Archer has not been a brilliant class in pvp.

I usually play with all the classes, and this is one of the weakest classes even though it is one of the most popular and traditional.

I think these skills should receive a new construction just like Amazon.

Edited April 28, 2024 by Sananda

[Majestic King 249]

19 minutes ago, Overlady said:

Yes, it was a typo in the PVP/PVE tag

 

Yes, Octagon got a nerf, the older cooldown used to be *2 of the duration and now it is ~*2.3, it is also riskier to brawler cast it due the slow cast time + increased cooldown in Force Belt.

Anyway, feel free to give more feedback 🙂 

 

Best,

Overlady

 Divine Piercing Reworked

• (PVE/PVP) Cooldown reduced from 12s to 10s;
• (PVE/PVP) Hit number reduced from 7 to 5;
• (PVE) Damage boost increased from 123% to 153%.

The knight stun was nerfed, right?, this change was good, it was less appealing.

but it is necessary to review the issue of devine piercing, there is no point in nerfing 2 hits if there is no increase in damage or atk rating.
the skill is blind, and only hits the last hits, now with 5 hits, misses more, and the same damage continues, it should have distributed the damage from the 2 hits you removed,
across the 5 hits you kept.

Please review this for PvP the divine piercing skill was horrible, and now with the intention of improving it, it has gotten worse.
despite reducing hits and reducing the cooldown, it now no longer hits anything, and the damage has been reduced even worse.

Of course, i'm referring to PvP.

[colzcane 71]

Impulsion is great for MS now.. but kind of sacrificed the hit amount from 25 to 20 and  Spark area is reduced and as for mechanic bomb area increased but dmg is kind of weird..

 

Haha XD in short it's given a bit of damage and in return the area was reduced.. XD I don't really understand how I feel about this hahaha

Edited April 28, 2024 by colzcane

[Mjizzy_7 1,986]

 

11 minutes ago, Majestic King said:

 Divine Piercing Reworked

• (PVE/PVP) Cooldown reduced from 12s to 10s;
• (PVE/PVP) Hit number reduced from 7 to 5;
• (PVE) Damage boost increased from 123% to 153%.

The knight stun was nerfed, right?, this change was good, it was less appealing.

but it is necessary to review the issue of devine piercing, there is no point in nerfing 2 hits if there is no increase in damage or atk rating.
the skill is blind, and only hits the last hits, now with 5 hits, misses more, and the same damage continues, it should have distributed the damage from the 2 hits you removed,
across the 5 hits you kept.

Please review this for PvP the divine piercing skill was horrible, and now with the intention of improving it, it has gotten worse.
despite reducing hits and reducing the cooldown, it now no longer hits anything, and the damage has been reduced even worse.

Of course, i'm referring to PvP.

 Yeah. If take out 2 hits the dmg of the skill has to be improved otherwise its just a nerf. More cooldown but more dmg thats how it should be 🤓

Edited April 28, 2024 by Mjizzy_7

[SupremeDeity 72]

@Overlady

 

can you explain about the “damage scale redone”. I’m very confused and not exactly sure if it is a buff or a nerf. No number or anything. 

[Overlady 5,239]

1 minute ago, SupremeDeity said:

@Overlady

 

can you explain about the “damage scale redone”. I’m very confused and not exactly sure if it is a buff or a nerf. No number or anything. 

Value scaling from level 0~10 got changed.

 

5 minutes ago, Mjizzy_7 said:

 

 Yeah. If take out 2 hits the dmg of the skill has to be improved otherwise its just a nerf 

DPS-wise it still a buff, you got charge more frequently = more damage boost from aura. But it is still under review.

 

Best, Overlady.

[Majestic King 249]

3 minutes ago, Mjizzy_7 said:

 

 Yeah. If take out 2 hits the dmg of the skill has to be improved otherwise its just a nerf. More cooldown but more dmg thats how it should be 🤓

exactly, nerfing an ability that was already bad doesn't make sense.

@Overlady

review the ability of knight divine piercing again, please.

4 minutes ago, Overlady said:

Value scaling from level 0~10 got changed.

 

DPS-wise it still a buff, you got charge more frequently = more damage boost from aura. But it is still under review.

 

Best, Overlady.

mjizzy is referring to the divine piercing.

[Mamacitah 162]

8 minutes ago, Overlady said:

Value scaling from level 0~10 got changed.

 

DPS-wise it still a buff, you got charge more frequently = more damage boost from aura. But it is still under review.

 

Best, Overlady.

he meant dp

Edited April 28, 2024 by Mamacitah

[Diell 960]

@OverladyI liked how the KS's aoe was distributed, leaving less dependent on the LS.
Regarding just SOD, the skill is still very unfeasible, perhaps they consider that for PVE the skill cannot be canceled with stun, as it would be a huge loss for KS in round 6 to be unable to use the strongest combo skill, as the Chimeras cancel this LS Skill.
Regarding Piercing Tier 2, I think that the increase in damage is less important than the width, as the skill is still not very interesting, to give up points in other aspects and put it into Piercing just for the ineffective linear damage factor, rather than skill already had good Damage but no one uses it because Brandish will always be the best option, unless Piercing had a good width.

[Mjizzy_7 1,986]

Just now, Diell said:

@OverladyI liked how the KS's aoe was distributed, leaving less dependent on the LS.
Regarding just SOD, the skill is still very unfeasible, perhaps they consider that for PVE the skill cannot be canceled with stun, as it would be a huge loss for KS in round 6 to be unable to use the strongest combo skill, as the Chimeras cancel this LS Skill.
Regarding Piercing Tier 2, I think that the increase in damage is less important than the width, as the skill is still not very interesting, to give up points in other aspects and put it into Piercing just for the ineffective linear damage factor, rather than skill already had good Damage but no one uses it because Brandish will always be the best option, unless Piercing had a good width.

For Sod ks now is official dead bro

[:)' 44]

Knight looks like a Paladin now. I love it :))

[SupremeDeity 72]

Feel like this balance more like a nerf all classes than buff 💀

[Diell 960]

17 minutes ago, Mjizzy_7 said:

For Sod ks now is official dead bro

unfortunately it's better to do SOD with an archer than with a KS these days.
I believe it would be okay to reduce the execution time of the LS, but if your other AOE skills were usual, it's not all about damage, raises and resolves, that wasn't the way to go for the class.
Area and angle are more important than damage, especially in a class like KS that has 200kg to move and hit.
Brandish needs to be an Area skill no Target.
Piercing needs to be of considerable width.
Now Physical Training no longer makes sense, since it was only used to use LS, Physical Training could be like the BS battle breath skill and add Absolute stm rule, as quantity now makes no difference.

Edited April 28, 2024 by Diell

[SupremeDeity 72]

30 minutes ago, Overlady said:

Value scaling from level 0~10 got changed.

 

DPS-wise it still a buff, you got charge more frequently = more damage boost from aura. But it is still under review.

 

Best, Overlady.

I don’t see it reflected anywhere. The damage on ice meteor look the same. Is there like number on what changed? 

[Mjizzy_7 1,986]

11 minutes ago, SupremeDeity said:

Feel like this balance more like a nerf all classes than buff 💀

In fact yes

there had to be done something since the new items made alot of charas unbalanced.

The pvp will be different now since the t5 of prs nerfed and the buff u gain from mgs.

The balance had to be done because the 146 weapons gave us a big Boost compared to the 138 weapons. But i think there is still some rework to do in some classes 

Edited April 28, 2024 by Mjizzy_7

[- D E A T H S T R O K E - 1,764]

@Overlady

shaman's phantom call has almost as much damage boost as mourning pray atm, i think mourning pray should get double the current dmg% on pve, since it has CD.

and Wartornado could get a buff on PvE dmg% as well, especially since FW got nerfed.

[Asylum 206]

About Divine Piercing just make DMG boost same at lv 9 and lv 10, then put 5 hits at lv 9 and 7 hits at lv 10, so we can choose

[alternate99 56]

Hi all anyone know if burn and poison of assassins stacked? Since both skills are now no cool down. Im new on the class

Edited April 28, 2024 by alternate99

[moobie1988 1,234]

Divine Piercing has always been a signature move of KS, regardless if its a su!c!d3 skill like some people think. Reducing its hit count is just a total downgrade. You could have just made an entirely new skill instead of reducing it.

 

@Overlady

7 minutes ago, Asylum said:

About Divine Piercing just make DMG boost same at lv 9 and lv 10, then put 5 hits at lv 9 and 7 hits at lv 10, so we can choose

 Or this

 

 Lvl 10 7 hits but reduced damage 

Edited April 28, 2024 by moobie1988