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TigerShark22
  On 4/29/2024 at 2:13 PM, RaiseAgain said:

Would love to hear from you  how mage is fine after patch ?   My 155 mage with top gear i possible can put at my lvl  +7 relics  feel like he get to the point that 3 ebs mobs hard  for him LOL 

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I saw the general direction of PvE of mage.

 

Yet I agree- buffing useless which will still be useless, and nerfing a useful one- is a nerf.

Yet there is a room for you to actually try them before claiming anything. animation's speed matter a lot, and what might seem like a nerf, might actually be a rework.

 I gotta run tests about mage spesifically at PvE to claim anything at his PvE.

 

They want mages to stop the afk+FW meta, and use other skills for 1v1, and use combos for AOEs. That does require you to change your game style though, that much I can tell, even since the patch of the FW nerf+ meteor buff+ dia+SS reworks.

 

 I know he's doing well in PvP, a lot better than what many are willing to admit, but for PvE I need more data.

 

To give a detailed PvE review, I actually need to experience more on a high lvl mage/ view others, who play effectively/ combination of both.

 

I have a great  general idea about many others to a very detailed analysis, yet not mage on this patch.

A note is that I gave my analysis over the patch in general, which was great, and only mentioned some must look into at PvP.

It is true for most classes, yet Ill be blunt, mage and prs didn't get a review.

 

I can also mention that in ass's balance for PvE they didn't have to reduce the chance to inflict poison on the skill : " Polute ".

Also they could live the area of shadow bomb as is, for ass its very important to have it.

Ass is a glass cannon. I know how much of a cannon she is as someone who played her, highest DPS in 1v1 in the game, and highest AOE DPS potentially in the game.

She also pays a grave price, being a close ranged char without any abs/shield. 

 

I can also mention that the reason that ass isn't popular isn't because shes bad, shes great at PvP - better than pike for a player with fingers and great reactions ( played both, and I stand behind this claim, and vouch for it, 100%. The catch ofc that it's a lot harder to use ).

 

The reason why ass isn't popular isn't because she's weak by any means though. This patch makes a small difference, if at all. The reason is that she is extremely hard to use.

Requires the player to have great reactions, and to be in focus all the time. This type of class isn't popular for the (30 years old+)  player base you have in this game who just wanna chill/ some who hate the tank meta  ( The reason why ks was still popular despite sucking so bad in certain times is because of this, his strengthens are what many players are looking for ).

Its also the reason why many mages are upset that the fact that the FW+afk meta was taken away from them. Its a valid reason to disagree, and it's a valid demand to ask for chars who are more chill. Those players are also a part of the player base. I can agree to that too.

 

 

 

 

 

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Sananda
  On 4/29/2024 at 1:27 AM, Overlady said:

You're ignoring the animation range of the 5 hits. We are currently balancing the entire game based on animation. That's why you may see huge damage boosts on some skills and it is not actually broken.

 

Archers only have one-hit skills, which means less damage passing through the absorb calculation. Any boost beyond what we already have would result in a barrage of one-hit kills from far, far away.

 

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But you need to appreciate that it is a beautiful skill and the last one in tier 5 that has become "useless" in pvp.

In practice, no AS because you lose the delay to Phoenix and have less damage and delay.

You can test in pvp or log in and follow a War, no AS uses this skill.

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TigerShark22
  On 4/29/2024 at 10:12 PM, Sananda said:

 

But you need to appreciate that it is a beautiful skill and the last one in tier 5 that has become "useless" in pvp.

In practice, no AS because you lose the delay to Phoenix and have less damage and delay.

You can test in pvp or log in and follow a War, no AS uses this skill.

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You really want SA to be a hitkill from far away?

 

Its stronger than phoenix shot, and if you use it right, a lot stronger.

You guys want archers to be OP. You have gotten an additional damage boost to PS to 163%, in addition for having a very high multiplier, you also gain a lot of damage per agillity, you also gained a lot of damage from the 146 weapon. AS was already OP before the patch. So OP there is a topic I cought SniperWolf with 138 bow dealing OP damage, while Kyron claimed it was a borrowed 146 one, and I even proved that it wasn't by pointing at a certain time of the video which you can clearly see the damage -with 138 bow.

Even he knows it, he's just playing dumb.

As defiantly doesn't need a buff.

 

 

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  On 4/29/2024 at 10:21 PM, TigerShark22 said:

You really want SA to be a hitkill from far away?

 

Its stronger than phoenix shot, and if you use it right, a lot stronger.

You guys want archers to be OP. You have gotten an additional damage boost to PS to 163%, in addition for having a very high multiplier, and gaining a lot of damage per agillity, you also gained a lot of damage from the 146 weapon. AS was already OP before the patch. So OP there is a topic I cought SniperWolf with 138 bow dealing OP damage, while Kyron claimed it was a borrowed 146 one, and I even proved that it wasn't by pointing at a certain time of the video which you can clearly see the damage -with 138 bow.

Even he knows it, he's just playing dumb.

As defiantly doesn't need a buff.

 

 

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I can find you in all archer threads.

You are a player who does not actively participate in pvp, opinion without practice.

In my opinion you have frustration/envy with the class.

I have no commitment to archer because I usually play all classes except mechanic.

That's why I consider my opinion to be impartial.

Regarding archer performance in pvp, you can see that only the  original archers survived.

And they suffer a lot to perform well.

I continually test the Solar Arrow skill.

It is a useless skill in practice.

No archer uses it.

But you shouldn't know that since you don't play pvp, right?

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  On 4/29/2024 at 10:27 PM, Sananda said:

 

 

I can find you in all archer threads.

You are a player who does not actively participate in pvp, opinion without practice.

In my opinion you have frustration/envy with the class.

I have no commitment to archer because I usually play all classes except mechanic.

That's why I consider my opinion to be impartial.

Regarding archer performance in pvp, you can see that only the  original archers survived.

And they suffer a lot to perform well.

I continually test the Solar Arrow skill.

It is a useless skill in practice.

No archer uses it.

But you shouldn't know that since you don't play pvp, right?

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As only didnt survive because pike was so broken that he hit kill it. Rangers never had a harder time like the time before the new patch. And thats because the Jumping of Bs, hk of assasin and Pike. Think the game without these 3 charas and tell me if as is bad again. Same for ata i had to change cause the pikes were to broken with the Ss buff behind the flags. Thats the Fact. You can handle 1 pike or maybe 2 but when there were 8 pikes arround ur ranger is only food.

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  On 4/29/2024 at 11:02 PM, Mjizzy_7 said:

As only didnt survive because pike was so broken that he hit kill it. Rangers never had a harder time like the time before the new patch. And thats because the Jumping of Bs, hk of assasin and Pike. Think the game without these 3 charas and tell me if as is bad again. Same for ata i had to change cause the pikes to broken. Thats the Fact. You can handle 1 pike or maybe 2 but when there were 8 pikes arround ur ranger is only food.

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Archer took indirect nerf like many classes.

The perforation buff is not relevant in pvp.

Atalanta liked the new construction.

About pike it is normal to be archer/atalanta hunters, as well as  Ass.

The problem is escaping without "retaliation" with dodge and vorpal dive.

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Reaala55
  On 4/29/2024 at 1:31 PM, Mjizzy_7 said:

So put Ks Fs Ss Ata In sod and see if ks will be able 1 time get over round 3 🙂

 

and tell me after if you disagree that Ks is not  finished for soding 

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He would lose even Before nerfs… ks is not strong on the first 3 rounds anyway

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I think staff should tell us what's the plan for the future about pvp , all changes looks like they want remove hk from game , and maybe soon we play only with our own bufs, because if don't need 4-5accounts mules bufs for each player at BC, will help about the lag ? Idk ... but if the plan is in future we play only with our own buffs it's OK, I can understand why reduce the buf from t5 prs , and enchent mg ... you did right about because soon the low dmg  will be normal for us , and will be more easy we accept lose completely the t5 prs buf and mg buff, and for tell u the true is think will be good because is so boring see people in 1x1 and need run to safe zone  for take ass/ss bufs again ...  if u guys want remove the hk as well ? Ok , this can be nice ,  I remember when staf did it for 2 days and players come go forum and didn't accept, but for me was a nice ideia like old days ...  but if u want remove hk and reduce the dmg ok, but don't make chars immortal like BS/KS now , they are more tanker than before , if all characters can't hk anymore ok ... but all chars should be possible die like all what not happened ... check all topic suggestions in forum first and think about how to work in base what we said please , because you guys did the opposite... 😕

 

if possible tell us what's the plan for the pvp in future for we understand and try give a better " solution" for this  balance, or make a new " Project Zeus " before change all skills in same time , because is so much information that the players said in this topic about all classes that I belive will be hard u guys focus in all in same time .

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So, i've made some tests and for AS, nothing changed.

The best main skill is still bombshot for PVE, 1x1 and area wise. For PVP, ph shot as usual.

As commented before, solar arrow makes no sense in PVP since ph shot is faster and deal almost same dmg. Leap shot can be used to push mobs around tankers and thats all.

Since we had some skills rework, maybe its time to do the same to them.

 

The range abusers are still doing it on bosses/hg with cuepy and perforation, so i don'treally  see the point of the nerf on its added atk range other than turn cuepy/golden cuepy extremely expesive haha.

As i gather from the past balances, archers have been nerfed on evade, range, speed... yeah we had some small improvement on attack power and that's nice, but i find it hard to say it was worth it.

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  On 4/29/2024 at 1:46 AM, Majestic King said:


@Overlady

you should to have distributed the damage of the 2 hits removed of divine piercing, to the 5 hits remaining.
that way would be fair and would be a improvement.

but, is this, hope that review these changes and no destroy with the class knight in pvp.

observation: is only an opnion.
 

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Pd could do 15 hits you still not killing anything, boy… you play full vit and only stun XD. You should be crying about lightining sword during 4 seconds less, cause thats your thing, only stun 🤣

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  On 4/28/2024 at 9:24 PM, Majestic King said:
6_70.png Divine Piercing Reworked
  • (PVE/PVP) Cooldown reduced from 12s to 10s;
  • (PVE/PVP) Hit number reduced from 7 to 5;
  • (PVE) Damage boost increased from 123% to 153%.


The knight stun was nerfed, right?, this change was good, it was less appealing.

but it is necessary to review the issue of devine piercing, there is no point in nerfing 2 hits if there is no increase in damage or atk rating.
the skill is blind, and only hits the last hits, now with 5 hits, misses more, and the same damage continues, it should have distributed the damage from the 2 hits you removed,
across the 5 hits you kept.


Please review this for PvP the divine piercing skill was horrible, and now with the intention of improving it, it has gotten worse.
despite reducing hits and reducing the cooldown, it now no longer hits anything, and the damage has been reduced even worse.


Of course, i'm referring to PvP.

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Your ks is the only one that hasn't been nerfed, it gives 5 hits with the sword and + two with the horns, I don't know why you're crying.

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  On 4/29/2024 at 11:02 PM, Mjizzy_7 said:

As only didnt survive because pike was so broken that he hit kill it. Rangers never had a harder time like the time before the new patch. And thats because the Jumping of Bs, hk of assasin and Pike. Think the game without these 3 charas and tell me if as is bad again. Same for ata i had to change cause the pikes were to broken with the Ss buff behind the flags. Thats the Fact. You can handle 1 pike or maybe 2 but when there were 8 pikes arround ur ranger is only food.

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Pay attention, you mention 1 ranger surrounded by many pikes.

Not 8 vs 8.

Also- Playing a ranger such as as/ata requires you to hit and run, and have a different gameplay+ pay attention all the time. It's not for everyone.

There is also a more complex idea of how to hit and run against classes like FS for example with his charge. Most AS have no idea how to even play against a FS.

 

It's like ass vs pike. I can tell you, and even the staff agree with me, that ass is stronger than pike in 1v1 in a pro vs pro fight.

And so many complain about pike being OP and ass being weak. Played both, and I can vouch for it.

 

 

  On 4/29/2024 at 10:27 PM, Sananda said:

 

 

I can find you in all archer threads.

You are a player who does not actively participate in pvp, opinion without practice.

In my opinion you have frustration/envy with the class.

I have no commitment to archer because I usually play all classes except mechanic.

That's why I consider my opinion to be impartial.

Regarding archer performance in pvp, you can see that only the  original archers survived.

And they suffer a lot to perform well.

I continually test the Solar Arrow skill.

It is a useless skill in practice.

No archer uses it.

But you shouldn't know that since you don't play pvp, right?

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Done enough PvP, and saw enough to know enough.

And dueled more to the lvl many complimented about my skills as a player, to the lvl chars who were weak/ none meta were called OP by others when I played them.

I know exactly what Im talking about. Saw even MJizzy's ata inside vs outside of BC, and other atas, and saw archers too.

I don't need to be active every war to tell you what I saw/ what's OP and what isn't.

 

Im literally a player who changed to SS before it got his animation buff on scratch, when everyone claimed it was weak- when I used it- players claimed it was strong.

 

When I used ks/fs- I literally outplayed many others, and used them in a way many didn't even think about ( which you don't have too many options in this game ).

Same about ass,pike,mech.

 

Somehow players either compliment me, or name the class I play as OP, even when it's none meta. Players literally thought FS was OP, and take a look- now it's a dead class. Its a class that players switch from, months ago there have been more 16x FSs than now.

 

Also unlike the rest-  I actually don't claim : " X is OP because *I FEEL* it is OP ", I literally give a detailed analysis, backed up by logic, and in many times- actual numbers too.

And I tell exactly why X is strong, or Y is weak.

 

I even told the stuff about the attack speed of PS.

They claim PS is fine because of how much PS you do per minute. And what literally every player, even since 2009 knows, PvP is about burst, not DPS. About how much time it takes to deal 20 PSs, compared to 10 GCs/GSs/ACs for example. The result is going to surprise them. MP and SP pot don't matter when you can stun every none BS in the game and pot in your free time.

There you go, another relatively detailed analysis, I would even give actual numbers of 20 PSs ( gave long time ago ) vs 10 GCs/GSs, 10 ACs.  It's up to them to see it for themselves..

Can't do more than give them the actual numbers, and still getting the feedback of in their opinion, its DPS that matter.

 

Literally so far in every feedback I give: 

At the start the players resist it, claiming I know nothing.

Few months later they complain about the stuffs I named exactly.

About melees being  so underpowered at PvP before the deff+AR rework( But apparently, " Im a noob and 16x pros know more ").

Whenever it is sword vs axe ( Gave the feedback years ago, but " 16x pros know more "- apparently not ).

Whenever it was the abuse of debuffs ( That too, over a year ago, but apparently " I know nothing " ).

And so much more.

 

Apparently, History is on my side, about who's right.

Also- can't ask archers / archers lovers who are used to the times as was so OP with the extra deff, AR

And many more traits, about a class balance that isn't bribed. So far all I see is players who want to hitkill with phoenix shots/ hitkill with SA in BC.

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Sananda
  On 4/30/2024 at 10:40 AM, mukrg said:

So, i've made some tests and for AS, nothing changed.

The best main skill is still bombshot for PVE, 1x1 and area wise. For PVP, ph shot as usual.

As commented before, solar arrow makes no sense in PVP since ph shot is faster and deal almost same dmg. Leap shot can be used to push mobs around tankers and thats all.

Since we had some skills rework, maybe its time to do the same to them.

 

The range abusers are still doing it on bosses/hg with cuepy and perforation, so i don'treally  see the point of the nerf on its added atk range other than turn cuepy/golden cuepy extremely expesive haha.

As i gather from the past balances, archers have been nerfed on evade, range, speed... yeah we had some small improvement on attack power and that's nice, but i find it hard to say it was worth it.

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Super Powders event because no class deals damage anymore after balancing 🙂

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  On 4/30/2024 at 9:33 PM, TigerShark22 said:

Pay attention, you mention 1 ranger surrounded by many pikes.

Not 8 vs 8.

Also- Playing a ranger such as as/ata requires you to hit and run, and have a different gameplay+ pay attention all the time. It's not for everyone.

There is also a more complex idea of how to hit and run against classes like FS for example with his charge. Most AS have no idea how to even play against a FS.

 

It's like ass vs pike. I can tell you, and even the staff agree with me, that ass is stronger than pike in 1v1 in a pro vs pro fight.

And so many complain about pike being OP and ass being weak. Played both, and I can vouch for it.

 

 

Done enough PvP, and saw enough to know enough.

And dueled more to the lvl many complimented about my skills as a player, to the lvl chars who were weak/ none meta were called OP by others when I played them.

I know exactly what Im talking about. Saw even MJizzy's ata inside vs outside of BC, and other atas, and saw archers too.

I don't need to be active every war to tell you what I saw/ what's OP and what isn't.

 

Im literally a player who changed to SS before it got his animation buff on scratch, when everyone claimed it was weak- when I used it- players claimed it was strong.

 

When I used ks/fs- I literally outplayed many others, and used them in a way many didn't even think about ( which you don't have too many options in this game ).

Same about ass,pike,mech.

 

Somehow players either compliment me, or name the class I play as OP, even when it's none meta. Players literally thought FS was OP, and take a look- now it's a dead class. Its a class that players switch from, months ago there have been more 16x FSs than now.

 

Also unlike the rest-  I actually don't claim : " X is OP because *I FEEL* it is OP ", I literally give a detailed analysis, backed up by logic, and in many times- actual numbers too.

And I tell exactly why X is strong, or Y is weak.

 

I even told the stuff about the attack speed of PS.

They claim PS is fine because of how much PS you do per minute. And what literally every player, even since 2009 knows, PvP is about burst, not DPS. About how much time it takes to deal 20 PSs, compared to 10 GCs/GSs/ACs for example. The result is going to surprise them. MP and SP pot don't matter when you can stun every none BS in the game and pot in your free time.

There you go, another relatively detailed analysis, I would even give actual numbers of 20 PSs ( gave long time ago ) vs 10 GCs/GSs, 10 ACs.  It's up to them to see it for themselves..

Can't do more than give them the actual numbers, and still getting the feedback of in their opinion, its DPS that matter.

 

Literally so far in every feedback I give: 

At the start the players resist it, claiming I know nothing.

Few months later they complain about the stuffs I named exactly.

About melees being  so underpowered at PvP before the deff+AR rework( But apparently, " Im a noob and 16x pros know more ").

Whenever it is sword vs axe ( Gave the feedback years ago, but " 16x pros know more "- apparently not ).

Whenever it was the abuse of debuffs ( That too, over a year ago, but apparently " I know nothing " ).

And so much more.

 

Apparently, History is on my side, about who's right.

Also- can't ask archers / archers lovers who are used to the times as was so OP with the extra deff, AR

And many more traits, about a class balance that isn't bribed. So far all I see is players who want to hitkill with phoenix shots/ hitkill with SA in BC.

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lol pike will dominate Ass 1v1. Show us how Assassin win over a pike considering both players play well. I dont think so. Pike will win 101%. Maybe with no dodge, assassin can win lol

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  On 4/30/2024 at 9:33 PM, TigerShark22 said:

Pay attention, you mention 1 ranger surrounded by many pikes.

Not 8 vs 8.

Also- Playing a ranger such as as/ata requires you to hit and run, and have a different gameplay+ pay attention all the time. It's not for everyone.

There is also a more complex idea of how to hit and run against classes like FS for example with his charge. Most AS have no idea how to even play against a FS.

 

It's like ass vs pike. I can tell you, and even the staff agree with me, that ass is stronger than pike in 1v1 in a pro vs pro fight.

And so many complain about pike being OP and ass being weak. Played both, and I can vouch for it.

 

 

Done enough PvP, and saw enough to know enough.

And dueled more to the lvl many complimented about my skills as a player, to the lvl chars who were weak/ none meta were called OP by others when I played them.

I know exactly what Im talking about. Saw even MJizzy's ata inside vs outside of BC, and other atas, and saw archers too.

I don't need to be active every war to tell you what I saw/ what's OP and what isn't.

 

Im literally a player who changed to SS before it got his animation buff on scratch, when everyone claimed it was weak- when I used it- players claimed it was strong.

 

When I used ks/fs- I literally outplayed many others, and used them in a way many didn't even think about ( which you don't have too many options in this game ).

Same about ass,pike,mech.

 

Somehow players either compliment me, or name the class I play as OP, even when it's none meta. Players literally thought FS was OP, and take a look- now it's a dead class. Its a class that players switch from, months ago there have been more 16x FSs than now.

 

Also unlike the rest-  I actually don't claim : " X is OP because *I FEEL* it is OP ", I literally give a detailed analysis, backed up by logic, and in many times- actual numbers too.

And I tell exactly why X is strong, or Y is weak.

 

I even told the stuff about the attack speed of PS.

They claim PS is fine because of how much PS you do per minute. And what literally every player, even since 2009 knows, PvP is about burst, not DPS. About how much time it takes to deal 20 PSs, compared to 10 GCs/GSs/ACs for example. The result is going to surprise them. MP and SP pot don't matter when you can stun every none BS in the game and pot in your free time.

There you go, another relatively detailed analysis, I would even give actual numbers of 20 PSs ( gave long time ago ) vs 10 GCs/GSs, 10 ACs.  It's up to them to see it for themselves..

Can't do more than give them the actual numbers, and still getting the feedback of in their opinion, its DPS that matter.

 

Literally so far in every feedback I give: 

At the start the players resist it, claiming I know nothing.

Few months later they complain about the stuffs I named exactly.

About melees being  so underpowered at PvP before the deff+AR rework( But apparently, " Im a noob and 16x pros know more ").

Whenever it is sword vs axe ( Gave the feedback years ago, but " 16x pros know more "- apparently not ).

Whenever it was the abuse of debuffs ( That too, over a year ago, but apparently " I know nothing " ).

And so much more.

 

Apparently, History is on my side, about who's right.

Also- can't ask archers / archers lovers who are used to the times as was so OP with the extra deff, AR

And many more traits, about a class balance that isn't bribed. So far all I see is players who want to hitkill with phoenix shots/ hitkill with SA in BC.

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Where you get the data that assassin is stronger than pike in pvp 1v1?

 

If you remember 1v1 full relic ks 164 against pikeman 163 and pike won ( 200kc in line )

 

Considering this fact, Knight lose. How much more about assassin? A class that so squishy against a pikeman have dodge. I cant agree with you about your statement 🤣

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  On 5/1/2024 at 12:36 AM, alternate99 said:

lol pike will dominate Ass 1v1. Show us how Assassin win over a pike considering both players play well. I dont think so. Pike will win 101%. Maybe with no dodge, assassin can win lol

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  On 5/1/2024 at 12:48 AM, disable1000 said:

Where you get the data that assassin is stronger than pike in pvp 1v1?

 

If you remember 1v1 full relic ks 164 against pikeman 163 and pike won ( 200kc in line )

 

Considering this fact, Knight lose. How much more about assassin? A class that so squishy against a pikeman have dodge. I cant agree with you about your statement 🤣

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I didn’t see here even 1 example of pro vs pro of the 2 of you.

 

Also ks sucks at PvP. He can win, but he’s disadvantaged against most classes.

 

I can give an example of players, who would consider my ass far more dangerous than my pike, ks, and pre buff SS.

 

literally ran over 16x pikes with 146 scythes with my 158 ass with 142 daggers.

 

I can also break it down for ya. 
ass is fast, has high attack speed. She can avoid ice with it so easily, and with deception, even easier.

 

her skill speed is around x1.5 faster than CL ( 1 less hit, around the same DPS), yet unlike pike, she’s not trapped in a long animation.

also she has slightly less crit, but slightly more AR. In those crit values, 5% means nothing, when extra AR rises the pressure on the opponent even more, with her fast attack speed. It also rises the number of crits indirectly by just landing more hits.

 

GP is easy to dodge, her skill can’t be dodge ( AR debuff+ range debuff). She got a spamable range closer skill+ fast running speed on deception, so a pike can’t get away from her, just lite stall, while being blasted.

 

pike’s only way to kill is to use a CS+ vanish ( unless his opponent is a noob who runs around carelessly ), or must cast AE for SM in duels ( and he must either waste his dodge/ let her nuke him with high crit+ AR nuke).

 

With fingers, an ass has nearly a complete control over the match. It’s not even a close fight. 
Also CL vs ass’s spamable- ass wins.

Both, with the high AR pressure+ wisp on her opponent, while her opponent can’t land a GP on her+ he’s trapped in a long CL animation in a pro vs pro fight.

 

 

 

Lastly- “200kc on the line”- spending money in this game doesn’t make a player pro. 

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disable1000
  On 5/1/2024 at 9:21 AM, TigerShark22 said:


 

 

I didn’t see here even 1 example of pro vs pro of the 2 of you.

 

Also ks sucks at PvP. He can win, but he’s disadvantaged against most classes.

 

I can give an example of players, who would consider my ass far more dangerous than my pike, ks, and pre buff SS.

 

literally ran over 16x pikes with 146 scythes with my 158 ass with 142 daggers.

 

I can also break it down for ya. 
ass is fast, has high attack speed. She can avoid ice with it so easily, and with deception, even easier.

 

her skill speed is around x1.5 faster than CL ( 1 less hit, around the same DPS), yet unlike pike, she’s not trapped in a long animation.

also she has slightly less crit, but slightly more AR. In those crit values, 5% means nothing, when extra AR rises the pressure on the opponent even more, with her fast attack speed. It also rises the number of crits indirectly by just landing more hits.

 

GP is easy to dodge, her skill can’t be dodge ( AR debuff+ range debuff). She got a spamable range closer skill+ fast running speed on deception, so a pike can’t get away from her, just lite stall, while being blasted.

 

pike’s only way to kill is to use a CS+ vanish ( unless his opponent is a noob who runs around carelessly ), or must cast AE for SM in duels ( and he must either waste his dodge/ let her nuke him with high crit+ AR nuke).

 

With fingers, an ass has nearly a complete control over the match. It’s not even a close fight. 
Also CL vs ass’s spamable- ass wins.

Both, with the high AR pressure+ wisp on her opponent, while her opponent can’t land a GP on her+ he’s trapped in a long CL animation in a pro vs pro fight.

 

 

 

Lastly- “200kc on the line”- spending money in this game doesn’t make a player pro. 

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Pm me in game, we can test. I can pilot my friends pike 161. We can fight with your 158 assassin. Leave me your in game name. Duel or bc you choose 🙂

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  On 5/1/2024 at 9:38 AM, disable1000 said:

Pm me in game, we can test. I can pilot my friends pike 161. We can fight with your 158 assassin. Leave me your in game name. Duel or bc you choose 🙂

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Pike > Assasin no need Test in 1vs1

 

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  On 5/1/2024 at 10:15 AM, Mjizzy_7 said:

Pike > Assasin no need Test in 1vs1

 

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Nah, he insists assassin > pikeman. He even somewhat saying that assassin can win against knight in 1v1 base on his answer in my argument about ks vs ps 🤣

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  On 5/1/2024 at 10:21 AM, disable1000 said:

Nah, he insists assassin > pikeman. He even somewhat saying that assassin can win against knight in 1v1 base on his answer in my argument about ks vs ps 🤣

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dont waste yr time with tigershark, he doesnt do pvp, only some duels at BT. Almost everything he says is the opposite of how the pvp works, just let him talk alone.

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  On 5/1/2024 at 9:38 AM, disable1000 said:

Pm me in game, we can test. I can pilot my friends pike 161. We can fight with your 158 assassin. Leave me your in game name. Duel or bc you choose 🙂

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I don’t own an ass anymore.

 

  On 5/1/2024 at 10:21 AM, disable1000 said:

Nah, he insists assassin > pikeman. He even somewhat saying that assassin can win against knight in 1v1 base on his answer in my argument about ks vs ps 🤣

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she can, and she is stronger than ks.

  On 5/1/2024 at 1:41 PM, HollyShot said:

dont waste yr time with tigershark, he doesnt do pvp, only some duels at BT. Almost everything he says is the opposite of how the pvp works, just let him talk alone.

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Go ahead and keep lying about as’s strength.

even when it was caught in a video. 

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Im surprised no one from dev come out to address this. 

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  On 5/1/2024 at 8:22 PM, SupremeDeity said:

Im surprised no one from dev come out to address this. 

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It is currently under review.

 

Best,

Overlady

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