This patch balance was made to let players happy or mad?

[Alextove 123]

Unfortunately, all these nerfs in PvE were caused by the EB macros. The game remains the same; they nerfed the AS perforation skill, but there are still many bots in boss fights. They nerfed the mage, but there's still a lot of macroing in EB... The problem has never been the classes but rather the abuse and lack of punishment for such actions.

 

 

[Vn_hello 9]

19 hours ago, Mayreen said:

+1

 

[lokoleo 59]

+1 

[drick2008xx 48]

4 hours ago, Mecanikuzão said:

Testei MS e acho que está melhor que antes =/

I don't know where you found this, being that it lost damage and doesn't hit hits, you probably tested it with some char without quality items

[haniball 12]

It seems that they only make changes that will bring some benefit to them, not for the players, there is this pattern in all updates

Edited April 30, 2024 by haniball

[bernd88 180]

finally they buffed ps a little bit

[RaiseAgain 262]

1 hour ago, Alextove said:

Unfortunately, all these nerfs in PvE were caused by the EB macros. The game remains the same; they nerfed the AS perforation skill, but there are still many bots in boss fights. They nerfed the mage, but there's still a lot of macroing in EB... The problem has never been the classes but rather the abuse and lack of punishment for such actions.

 

 

Could not agree with you more 

And that why wartale keep loses players . 

[erickloro 399]

1 hour ago, drick2008xx said:

I don't know where you found this, being that it lost damage and doesn't hit hits, you probably tested it with some char without quality items

 80% of ms patch are buff on dmg

% maximize loss, received on passive
obliterate has been a lot of dmg now
spark shield now have 1/4 chance of stun

i rly dont know why u guys insists in "ms is worse now"

machanic bomb get double atk pow add
spark receive more 10% dmg
impulsion losses dmg but now hits 2 times all targets

Edited April 30, 2024 by erickloro

[Jty 223]

6 minutes ago, erickloro said:

 80% of ms patch are buff on dmg

% maximize loss, received on passive
obliterate has been a lot of dmg now
spark shield now have 1/4 chance of stun

i rly dont know why u guys insists in "ms is worse now"

machanic bomb get double atk pow add
spark receive more 10% dmg
impulsion losses dmg but now hits 2 times all targets

Sometimes people just wanna complain and that is it

[Killerpopo 34]

Its funny how we get new items but classes get nerfed. So we all get this buff from items and relics and weapons yet classes skills get nerfed. It kinda gets to the point why we getting buffed from items if classes are getting nerfed. It doesnt make sense

[Capybara 504]

51 minutes ago, Killerpopo said:

Its funny how we get new items but classes get nerfed. So we all get this buff from items and relics and weapons yet classes skills get nerfed. It kinda gets to the point why we getting buffed from items if classes are getting nerfed. It doesnt make sense

Basically, they release new items but decrease the characters' damage, which means you pay and play endlessly to stay exactly the same as two years ago. xD

 

The only 'good' part of the update was the nerf to buffs; perhaps they want to prevent everyone from being stuck with buffs all the time. However, I still think there are several other ways (which were even suggested) to avoid this. I'm still not impressed that the staff is 'writing straight with crooked lines'. 😐

[lokoleo 59]

+1 

[Joao Fonteles 177]

+ 1 For reworking this "balance"

I think that when we talk about balance, this encompasses the possibility of all players with decent itens + relics being able to have fun in PvP or PvE, even more so when we consider that 90% of players on the server not have 17x chara with complete relic and cent brac for example..

Observe the currente BC and draw your conclusion, it doesn't take much to notice that only BS can now have a good dmg, because it is still completely broken.

[colzcane 71]

+1 

they heard our cries guys.... so they added super power event for 1 day to address our concerns.... 😅

[bonaex 19]

Alright, now event is over and we back to our sad reality. No damage in PVE, no damage in PVP, no feedback from the STAFF. Will we have to play with this "NICE" balance for how long? 
Return the divine force/enchant weapon buffs or do something that leaves equivalent damage
This patch was a downgrade for the server 😦

[sdmlucas 75]

One more day without enough damage

[jesusvida2 26]

@erickloro, "Maximize" gave more damage then the passive could provide, even with that buff. That's why the buffs at the other skills are not beeing taken to the equation! Even with the buff at passive and skills, MS is doing less damage then before because the nerf at "Maximize".

[NaCl 314]

-52% damage in rage of zecram for 1s more burn duration? 

 

 

[mastellini 476]

43 minutes ago, NaCl said:

-52% damage in rage of zecram for 1s more burn duration? 

 

 

yeah just no make sense xD

[Overlady 5,238]

49 minutes ago, NaCl said:

-52% damage in rage of zecram for 1s more burn duration? 

 

 

Every second of burn stands for ~*7 hits. If you're spamming RoZ, the damage will be slightly lower than before because the burn is being replaced all the time. But if you're following your rotation, it is a buff. Every damage boost change on skills with burn makes little to no difference because of the insane amount of hits it produces, but burn duration makes a lot of difference. Just check the reductions on Flame Wave.

 

59 minutes ago, jesusvida2 said:

@erickloro, "Maximize" gave more damage then the passive could provide, even with that buff. That's why the buffs at the other skills are not beeing taken to the equation! Even with the buff at passive and skills, MS is doing less damage then before because the nerf at "Maximize".

Maximize only increases maximum attack, not both minimum and maximum like Weapon Mastery. If we further buff the Mechanician's damage, it will become more powerful than a Fighter in 1v1 situations, which is something we don't want to happen. Previously, Mechanic bomb and Impulsion were overtuned on the main target as a way to counterbalance the half damage to AoE. Now, they are weaker on the main target but stronger on the AoE, as it should be.

 

On 4/29/2024 at 9:32 PM, kenibok said:

 

Long time I don't understand the direction of the skills "balance' is, pvp and pve. They also don't follow each class identity/characteristics

 

 

I think the problem is that the damage nerf is general but each class works 100% differently, it doesn't make sense either to intend it to work. Also almost everything about this change is negative, the problem was literal BS and PS xd But instead every class damage was nerfed in 1x1 and AoE, why?? this applies to PvE too, why?

- BS was the main focus of balance (or should have) and now its playe the opposite? as everyone's dmg is reduced their crazy tanking skills and damage reduction is even more efficient.....??

- BS nerf on Shattered Impact was just necessary but why nerf everyone's AoE skills, but just by enchant weapon but by pvp modifiers is just weird

- Pike >>>Ass/BS maybe FS, will stay top killers cause of their high dmg even after the nerf is a high/sure hit kill. a 3K SM hit even reduced by this will stay around 2k7+. People will hate on them just wait

- Ms/As/SS/Ks will be the most affected in damage cause their its reduction is makin, Ata's change in speed compensates, but ata won't have a chance against KS/BS

- BS / KS tanking will be crazy and will need adjustment as they have damage reduction, on top class damage reduction, they get double tanking (as if bs tanking isn't a problem).

- Mech/SS will be a lot stronger but damage crap

 

My prediction is if you don't cancel this patch you'll have to rebalance a whole lot more. BS/KS tanking skills a lot, which will affect PvE in a parallel way. MG will become op as everyone's nerfed but them, PS/BS and PRS will stay secondary on top; ata, ass, as and ss will require damage adjustment on 1x1 PvP/PvE skills, Mech can be deleted or 100% redone

 

Or just cancel the patch, and my advice:

- adjust broken skills in BS/PS first: Shattered Impact about 40% and decide if BS keeps its tanking reduce attack, or keep attack reduce damage reduction by 5%+

- adjust PS hit kill skills

- then AoE skills individually for all classes and (PvE separated from PvP). Keep the role of each class. Mage/SS/As were usually focused on strong PvP, PRS secondary.

- Mech should be top tanker, today its KS/BS; consider applying a small damage reduction power in mech; debuffs and poison/slowing skills or dynamic explosive attack (like retaliation)

 

in this @Overlady please consider this patch and players experiences and ideascategory

The final damage boost impacts more strongly on classes with huge damage boost multipliers. In other words, classes with high damage output but slower, like the brawler, got weaker due the lower percentage multiplier. The same principle applies to damage reduction, it is reduced in the final value, the higher the damage, the stronger the reduction, whereas with less damage, damage reduction weakens, and absorb becomes stronger.

 

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Overall, we haven't seen any significant nerfs in PvE, except for Enchant Weapon. The buff was on our list to receive a fair reduction to half damage for party members, just like most other buff in the game.

 

Best,

Overlady

Edited May 2, 2024 by Overlady

[helfire66 38]

Im a power ms player and ms lost dmg in all skills after patch 😕

[Rasthafary 201]

i believe that if a buff came for the power mech just for the pve it would solve a lot of the class's problems.

 

@Overlady

[HollyShot 1,003]

2 hours ago, Overlady said:

Every second of burn stands for ~*7 hits. If you're spamming RoZ, the damage will be slightly lower than before because the burn is being replaced all the time. But if you're following your rotation, it is a buff. Every damage boost change on skills with burn makes little to no difference because of the insane amount of hits it produces, but burn duration makes a lot of difference. Just check the reductions on Flame Wave.

 

Maximize only increases maximum attack, not both minimum and maximum like Weapon Mastery. If we further buff the Mechanician's damage, it will become more powerful than a Fighter in 1v1 situations, which is something we don't want to happen. Previously, Mechanic bomb and Impulsion were overtuned on the main target as a way to counterbalance the half damage to AoE. Now, they are weaker on the main target but stronger on the AoE, as it should be.

 

The final damage boost impacts more strongly on classes with huge damage boost multipliers. In other words, classes with high damage output but slower, like the brawler, got weaker due the lower percentage multiplier. The same principle applies to damage reduction, it is reduced in the final value, the higher the damage, the stronger the reduction, whereas with less damage, damage reduction weakens, and absorb becomes stronger.

 

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Overall, we haven't seen any significant nerfs in PvE, except for Enchant Weapon. The buff was on our list to receive a fair reduction to half damage for party members, just like most other buff in the game.

 

Best,

Overlady

No problem in removing buffs, but you need somehow give back our damage, in PVE so we dont get harmed, and in PVP because the pvp became ridiculous tanker. It's really boring someone go there 5v1 and still manage to get out alive, also you almost never can kill 1v1 cuz takes alot time to kill/die. Some classes are almost immortals (yes brawler). I suggest you change pvp dmg modifiers 1v1.
In PVE maybe reduce mobs hp.

Edited May 2, 2024 by HollyShot

[IronMaiden69 20]

Dont act like a smart ass  that knows everything in game Devs are doing good so far. You just crying cause u cant use autopot anymore abuser!. ❤️

[alternate99 52]

Brawler tanky that crit so much at the same time. Broken class