146 items prices so cheap now why?

[ace1 194]

6 minutes ago, Wushi said:

The problem is price reduction is inevitable. This is an economic law. All kinds of measures can only delay the time of price reduction, but cannot change the trend.

Yes it's true bro but we need care about It and handle It as good as we can...

[MrGreen 115]

More skin and mount/minion for next patch 🤑

[hamlet2020 38]

1."EB provides full service 24/7, so dropping many items is naturally expected."

2."The reduction in HC's difficulty makes it easier to drop items, and naturally, the number of items dropped will be playe large. I'm wondering why HC's difficulty was lowered. Initially, I was really excited to conquer it, but now it has become much easier."

3."I feel like the situation is getting worse with my favorite game, which is really sad."

[ace1 194]

On 1/13/2025 at 12:55 PM, hamlet2020 said:

2."The reduction in HC's difficulty makes it easier to drop items, and naturally, the number of items dropped will be playe large. I'm wondering why HC's difficulty was lowered. Initially, I was really excited to conquer it, but now it has become much easier."

 

bro, do you really think the number of item that comes from HC (organic map, free of macro / exp service and etc) is anything comparable with the number os items dropped by exp service at EB? i wish such data were visible for everyone, so the staff don't need to watch everything alone and take decisions alone, which would lead to faster and more efficient decisions.

 

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Also there is another key point i forgot to mention @Wushi...

 

when people sees their accout as a whole is depreciating, players start selling their accounts for coins with the objective to buy another stronger account in the future paying the same price you received from selling your previously weaker account.

 

can you go from 150 to 155 and get yourself a SetBoss 3 dnt/bsol in 1 month? impossible... even with money + exp service + 100x luckier tha anyone.

 

but with downwards market, all you need to so is selling your account and then buy another one... and here you go with +5 levels  +SetBoss3 (possibly free change class too) in a gap of 1 month, without spending a single minute or a single Euro, without even playing the game.

 

So as you can see, this is how downwards prices can crash a game... In past 3 days we are seeing 20+ account selling topics created every single day...

 

but hey, exp service is good for server ^_^ @Merenda @Mjizzy_7 @Support

 

i will kindly advise you guys for the last time: stop it...

 

for the sake love of God... you can still be top ranking without exp service (with some exp limmitation per week, you can still pay people to make sure your character will never loose a single minute of 'stamina exp' and will STILL be top ranking, and spending less money)...

 

people are lazy to think about complex situations, people are prone to be -1 for any sort of changes... but as we can see with what happened with Argentine and El Salvador... their economics crashed really hard, and that finally created a popular demmand for someone who can fix stuff for real (and now things improving incredibly faster in said countries)...

 

but sadly it was needed people to SUFFER first, to only then allow someone to work in peace towards fixing the problem... now Argentine and El Savador population be like "i understand this nerf is needed to avoid worse things in a short therm 👍, and specially harvest better things in the mid-long therm... 🤩"

[Jysn 127]

The end is near.

[Mjizzy_7 1,962]

1 hour ago, ace1 said:

 

bro, do you really think the number of item that comes from HC (organic map, free of macro / exp service and etc) is anything comparable with the number os items dropped by exp service at EB? i wish such data were visible for everyone, so the staff don't need to watch everything alone and take decisions alone, which would lead to faster and more efficient decisions.

 

-------------------

 

Also there is another key point i forgot to mention @Wushi...

 

when people sees their accout as a whole is depreciating, players start selling their accounts for coins with the objective to buy another stronger account in the future paying the same price you received from selling your previously weaker account.

 

can you go from 150 to 155 and get yourself a SetBoss 3 dnt/bsol in 1 month? impossible... even with money + exp service + 100x luckier tha anyone.

 

but with downwards market, all you need to so is selling your account and then buy another one... and here you go with +5 levels  +SetBoss3 (possibly free change class too) in a gap of 1 month, without spending a single minute or a single Euro, without even playing the game.

 

So as you can see, this is how downwards prices can crash a game... In past 3 days we are seeing 20+ account selling topics created every single day...

 

but hey, exp service is good for server ^_^ @Merenda @Mjizzy_7 @Support

 

i will kindly advise you guys for the last time: stop it...

 

for the sake love of God... you can still be top ranking without exp service (with some exp limmitation per week, you can still pay people to make sure your character will never loose a single minute of 'stamina exp' and will STILL be top ranking, and spending less money)...

 

people are lazy to think about complex situations, people are prone to be -1 for any sort of changes... but as we can see with what happened with Argentine and El Salvador... their economics crashed really hard, and that finally created a popular demmand for someone who can fix stuff for real (and now things improving incredibly faster in said countries)...

 

but sadly it was needed people to SUFFER first, to only then allow someone to work in peace towards fixing the problem... now Argentine and El Savador population be like "i understand this nerf is needed to avoid worse things in a short therm 👍, and specially harvest better things in the mid-long therm... 🤩"

I never said the Service is good as it is now. Its a disaster for having the eb Service like this now. Full Mgs . 50-60 c per tri. Its a disaster but only who can take action is the Staff and not we because they give the people the option to use it like now . Eb needet long ago a redesign of how to play it. 

Edited January 15 by Mjizzy_7

[ace1 194]

1 minute ago, Mjizzy_7 said:

I never said the Service is good as it is now. Its a disaster for having the eb Service like this now. Full Mgs . 50-60 c per tri. Its a disaster but only who can take action is the Staff and not we because they give the people the option to use it like now . 

 

it breaks my heart the fact you guys are also the most influent players in server, the ones that brings people together the most, even the most interesting players around to talk with...

 

basically, the ones that really makes game look like a game, fun and alive.

 

the damm hard part is you guys are exp service bosses, you guys are literally the ones that surfed the wave the most... Anyways, seeing you and Merenda at least recognizing it "isn't good as it is now" gives some hope that, maybe, we don't need to crash in the wall at 299 km/h...

 

staff members (as a whole, since they hide behind support account they are all the same for me) are similar to you guys, but even more extreme. they can do even more good and even more bad to the server... and they $urfed the wave more than anyone...

[starbuck 27]

6 minutes ago, ace1 said:

 

it breaks my heart the fact you guys are also the most influent players in server, the ones that brings people together the most, even the most interesting players around to talk with...

 

basically, the ones that really makes game look like a game, fun and alive.

 

the damm hard part is you guys are exp service bosses, you guys are literally the ones that surfed the wave the most... Anyways, seeing you and Merenda at least recognizing it "isn't good as it is now" gives some hope that, maybe, we don't need to crash in the wall at 299 km/h...

 

staff members (as a whole, since they hide behind support account they are all the same for me) are similar to you guys, but even more extreme. they can do even more good and even more bad to the server... and they $urfed the wave more than anyone...

 

I wonder what the incentive is for staff to let exp service not only exist but to flourish in the server . Meaning,  they seem to allow exp service people to evolve in the game allowing for them to make more gains even in newer maps..

 

( call it a conspiracy theory but there may be something we do not know about the relationship between staff and the exp service industry of the game)

 

From my eyes, it seems like it does not take a smart person to see that the exp service industry most definitely causes more harm than good when we talk about the health of the game long-term. But as the years continue in this game, the exp service people don't have much limitations to what they can do... they are free.

 

This game puts many nerfs on things rightfully so, so that no exploit can happen, but i have not witnessed a direct nerf to exp service people that would slow down the harm exp service can cause.

 

 

To be honest i think it would be such a good idea to hear from a developer like @Overlady to just clarify what are some key benefits of the wide-scale exp service we see in the game, and do the benefits outweigh the negatives. The interesting part is , we all know it causes much more harm than good, so then how can they justify the opposite? and if they cant well then... why keep it this way, the incentive for them must be high

Edited January 15 by starbuck
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[Mjizzy_7 1,962]

I dont think its right to cut the xp service from the game but i think it should be balanced . Since i play this game xp service existing and it went well. I just think in this period the way of xping started to go in the wrong way. 

[ace1 194]

2 minutes ago, Mjizzy_7 said:

I dont think its right to cut the xp service from the game but i think it should be balanced . Since i play this game xp service existing and it went well. I just think in this period the way of xping started to go in the wrong way. 

see, this is not accurate.

 

exp service doesn't "always existed", from my perpective i saw it borning as an professional industry after OMEGA99 hit 14x, literally the maximum possible level available without exp service (it was a normal shared KS with 2 owners)...

 

After that, rich players went crazy and decided they wanted to be top rank too at any cost. Result: after 2 years everyone was 14x and u.nique.pt died. #RIPsjoerd

 

the point is exp service makes increasing damage over time, it starts as small as you can't notice, but with time it grows more and more until it reaches such a situation that is impossible to handle.

[Mjizzy_7 1,962]

11 minutes ago, ace1 said:

see, this is not accurate.

 

exp service doesn't "always existed", from my perpective i saw it borning as an professional industry after OMEGA99 hit 14x, literally the maximum possible level available without exp service (it was a normal shared KS with 2 owners)...

 

After that, rich players went crazy and decided they wanted to be top rank too at any cost. Result: after 2 years everyone was 14x and u.nique.pt died. #RIPsjoerd

 

the point is exp service makes increasing damage over time, it starts as small as you can't notice, but with time it grows more and more until it reaches such a situation that is impossible to handle.

You need to know players here getting older too that let them not having the same time like in the past to play the way of grinding. So ofc they will hire someone to xp for them or do something ^^" Staff cant prevent players to log into your account and xp for you. They could set a rule there but this wont work after so many years. Balance it and all will be good. Remember for how long the 146/148 items were super super expensive. Xping  was not so easy too, as example u used to pay 120-130 c per tri. Thats more then 50% of what ur paying now. I dont think everyone can afford this prices or even want to spend this prices. But you still had people who paid it ( like me as LC service) but it didnt effect the game in my opinion. 

I think the only right way for now is to find a blance for the way of xping in eb to not effect the game. For the future the new maps need to be checked well to not get into the same problem again.

Thats my opinion i can be wrong . 
 

Edited January 15 by Mjizzy_7

[Capybara 467]

1 hour ago, Mjizzy_7 said:

I dont think its right to cut the xp service from the game but i think it should be balanced . Since i play this game xp service existing and it went well. I just think in this period the way of xping started to go in the wrong way. 

 

 

The problem isn’t the "services," but rather the m4cr0/b0t...

One single person being able to level up 5 characters (all attacking) is something surreal, isn’t it?

If you stop to think: if maps like EB were removed and more DGs like LC/HC were added, where players need to move around and solve puzzles, this topic would have taken a different direction today.

 

It’s normal for an item to lose value, and to a certain extent, there were mistakes from the beginning in the creation of the 146/148. It’s not "plausible" for the item to cost 100-200kc like it did at the start, so at that point, the blame lies with the players who were willing to pay and consequently inflated the price.

Over the months, the problem "evolved" since the AFK players in EB began to get comfortable, and in some cases, a single individual managed to drop 5 items in a week in EB.

The team is aware of this, but either they can’t fix it or they don’t want to, as it’s very clear that 80% of those in EB are m4cr0/b0t.

 

3 hours ago, ace1 said:

So as you can see, this is how downwards prices can crash a game... In past 3 days we are seeing 20+ account selling topics created every single day...

 

 

This sales issue exists because there aren’t any disputes happening throughout the week, and many players are "bored." But that’s a topic that will soon be debated, as soon as someone creates a thread for the twentieth time talking about "how the alliance ruins the game experience."

[Jysn 127]

I know what will be the solution to this.

 

Create new items and nerf all characters, so you think you got better because you have the latest and strongest items? NOPE! It's a cycle, they add new items but they nerf characters. Just like what they did last major patch.

[ace1 194]

11 minutes ago, Capybara said:

 

 

The problem isn’t the "services," but rather the m4cr0/b0t...

One single person being able to level up 5 characters (all attacking) is something surreal, isn’t it?

If you stop to think: if maps like EB were removed and more DGs like LC/HC were added, where players need to move around and solve puzzles, this topic would have taken a different direction today.

 

It’s normal for an item to lose value, and to a certain extent, there were mistakes from the beginning in the creation of the 146/148. It’s not "plausible" for the item to cost 100-200kc like it did at the start, so at that point, the blame lies with the players who were willing to pay and consequently inflated the price.

Over the months, the problem "evolved" since the AFK players in EB began to get comfortable, and in some cases, a single individual managed to drop 5 items in a week in EB.The team is aware of this, but either they can’t fix it or they don’t want to, as it’s very clear that 80% of those in EB are m4cr0/b0t.

this is the highest possible level of problem exp service opens window for, by far the most ridiculous situation. no discussion.

 

12 minutes ago, Capybara said:

This sales issue exists because there aren’t any disputes happening throughout the week, and many players are "bored." But that’s a topic that will soon be debated, as soon as someone creates a thread for the twentieth time talking about "how the alliance ruins the game experience."

ok bro, now i will bring you to a deeper tought: what makes players prone to agree and follow clan leaders that want to make alliance and with this, have less pvp?

 

what makes a player, be the clan leader or any member, to change from "i'm just fine" to "bro wtf, let's KILL them!" ? 

 

if you ask yourself "are players happy with game to begin with?" you will understand why everyone is prone not to go pvp.

 

don't forget players can leave clan anytime, they can simply attack others anytime they want, they can even group up and make a full rage clan 100% pvp no alliance.

 

but for several reason that comes before whatever clan leader says, they preffer not to do so. At this point Clan leaders are just dancing the music that's playing.

[YougNX 42]

Because of this, ordinary people can have items and reach more of this abyss, I think this is positive for the game and not the opposite, making it more competitive and possible to be played by new people.

[Mjizzy_7 1,962]

32 minutes ago, YougNX said:

Because of this, ordinary people can have items and reach more of this abyss, I think this is positive for the game and not the opposite, making it more competitive and possible to be played by new people.

Gab 🙃

[vandoo 56]

you can duo dungeons LC/HC and get the good items, so overfarmed .. when amount of items goes up - price goes down.. kinda simple math.  

[ace1 194]

56 minutes ago, YougNX said:

Because of this, ordinary people can have items and reach more of this abyss, I think this is positive for the game and not the opposite, making it more competitive and possible to be played by new people.

Sure its good. The part the New game meta becomes "selling your account and not playing the game is the new best way to get a stronger char" is just a small detail.

 

🤡

Edited January 15 by ace1

[Merenda 740]

10 hours ago, ace1 said:

 

bro, do you really think the number of item that comes from HC (organic map, free of macro / exp service and etc) is anything comparable with the number os items dropped by exp service at EB? i wish such data were visible for everyone, so the staff don't need to watch everything alone and take decisions alone, which would lead to faster and more efficient decisions.

 

-------------------

 

Also there is another key point i forgot to mention @Wushi...

 

when people sees their accout as a whole is depreciating, players start selling their accounts for coins with the objective to buy another stronger account in the future paying the same price you received from selling your previously weaker account.

 

can you go from 150 to 155 and get yourself a SetBoss 3 dnt/bsol in 1 month? impossible... even with money + exp service + 100x luckier tha anyone.

 

but with downwards market, all you need to so is selling your account and then buy another one... and here you go with +5 levels  +SetBoss3 (possibly free change class too) in a gap of 1 month, without spending a single minute or a single Euro, without even playing the game.

 

So as you can see, this is how downwards prices can crash a game... In past 3 days we are seeing 20+ account selling topics created every single day...

 

but hey, exp service is good for server ^_^ @Merenda @Mjizzy_7 @Support

 

i will kindly advise you guys for the last time: stop it...

 

for the sake love of God... you can still be top ranking without exp service (with some exp limmitation per week, you can still pay people to make sure your character will never loose a single minute of 'stamina exp' and will STILL be top ranking, and spending less money)...

 

people are lazy to think about complex situations, people are prone to be -1 for any sort of changes... but as we can see with what happened with Argentine and El Salvador... their economics crashed really hard, and that finally created a popular demmand for someone who can fix stuff for real (and now things improving incredibly faster in said countries)...

 

but sadly it was needed people to SUFFER first, to only then allow someone to work in peace towards fixing the problem... now Argentine and El Savador population be like "i understand this nerf is needed to avoid worse things in a short therm 👍, and specially harvest better things in the mid-long therm... 🤩"

Chill bro. Staff knows how to manage & conduce things.

 

If EB thing turns into an alarming problem, they have all the data to solve it.

 

They know which classes are the most picked, how this classes interacts with spawns layout, mobs status, etc.

 

Btw, this wouldn’t even be an problem if we had PvP wars/Competitive scenario.

 

Wartale is creation of Staff’s work, we love this game… Me, You, Mjizzy, everyone who cares about the community in general.

 

So, in the end of the day, we all trust them and everything will be alright. As i said, chill & enjoy the game.

Edited January 16 by Merenda

[ratiquinho 134]

The game really needs a new class and for this new class in the style of when the Brawler was released, the Team has how to make this new class, something unprecedented that only Wartale would have. (Note: it could be from Morions since the last one was the Brawler).

[infinite[VOID] 80]

Relax guys, this server was already tested through time. We are here since 2009. Just believe to sandurr my MMORPG super hero, keeping my childhood nostalgic feeling alive 👍☺️

[YougNX 42]

This has happened several times, everything is normal, everything will be fine soon, as my Merenda friend said, just go back to the competition.

[drick2008xx 48]

You don't have to find anything! You used the services for a long time but preferred a top to a high lv char, now you are being hypocritical saying that the XP services are very cheap, that's why no one likes you in the game, now log your fake accounts here on the forum and talk to yourself about how pathetic you are.

Edited January 16 by Support
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[[PH]mechx 14]

one thing i can suggest to control exp service and grinding on EB , perhaps can control number of accounts to enter certain maps (exp maps) similar to HG(by IP). 

 

i know it will hurt many exp service but it will help other players who want to train and party but mostly occupied by exp service single person with full pt.

 

with this maybe we can bring back the old ways exping with party , chatting while grinding and enjoying the game together 🙂

Edited January 16 by [PH]mechx

[Mjizzy_7 1,962]

1 hour ago, drick2008xx said:

You don't have to find anything! You used the services for a long time but preferred a top to a high lv char, now you are being hypocritical saying that the XP services are very cheap, that's why no one likes you in the game, now log your fake accounts here on the forum and talk to yourself about how pathetic you are.

Dunno why u bark here. People likes me or not doesnt matter, ofc the enemy side wont like me because im one of few who never changed the side because i have  pride and history in game 😉Sure its a problem when the service is to cheap no matter if i used it or not what a no sense argument of you. When a service is to cheap it worth for many people to give out their charas what makes the game inactive in many areas like PVE/PVP + The Acc Value will drop. TMR u can buy a 165 chara for 50kc. If u think thats ok then think it. The xp Services are cheap and most who r crying are the services themself because they dont want that their easy money get destroyed. They doesnt care about the game only about their pocket. Hard but the true. ( Not all). 
Again everyone is free to use the services as long they are Legal and no one will get blamed for it, if i need it i would use it too why not. But to say its good as it is is fake. Many doesnt say what they think because they scare to get blamed but habibi not mjizzy 💣

Cheers

 

Edited January 16 by Mjizzy_7