Impossible to up lvl 128 +

[mcse1989 0]

This is true,

 

I have a full time Job now and I don't have time to exp much. Maybe sometimes 3-4 hours at night

 

Life is not free, you earn money and you pay your rentals, water, electricity and gas. I live alone now, independent from parent support, and oh boy trust me, its tough when you got so much expenses.

 

Seriously, if I was given coins to train every Month, I would die, because grinding and exping in game sucks. Whos wants to train? When you can go BC kill myhomes and hunt ET3, boss etc?

 

If it wasn't exp service in game, I would of quit already at earlier level. It's beneficial for everyone

Stop complaining

 

Except people who are college age or younger [22-], which is a nice portion of any gaming community. When I'm taking out huge loans to pay for schooling, adding debt with gaming is not in my best interest. This is why I play "free" games.

 

Students don't get paid for their time in school, and it consumes as much time as a job or more. We have limited time the same as people with jobs and we don't get the funds to spend, which means we can't compete since we aren't able to use exp service or put in the time ourselves.

 

This is why it's not fair.

 

@msce:

While I can respect the fact you have criticisms for your government, I don't see how it's really relevant conversations about this game.

 

there is still many spawm in games.and what about if some one still go to school and up level 140 ? and you know dlm dont use any exp services.. he always solo..if someone under 22 and up with high level.. i am sure with you .. he dont go to school.. anyway it is not good.

[Zero 0]

there is still many spawm in games.and what about if some one still go to school and up level 140 ? and you know dlm dont use any exp services.. he always solo..if someone under 22 and up with high level.. i am sure with you .. he dont go to school.. anyway it is not good.

 

There are two 140s. As you said yourself you're pretty sure he doesn't go to school. I'd be fairly impressed if someone made it to 140, went to school and maintained grades, then grinded to 140 solo and still had time for sleep over a few months.

[Quant 0]

This is true,

 

I have a full time Job now and I don't have time to exp much. Maybe sometimes 3-4 hours at night

 

Life is not free, you earn money and you pay your rentals, water, electricity and gas. I live alone now, independent from parent support, and oh boy trust me, its tough when you got so much expenses.

 

Seriously, if I was given coins to train every Month, I would die, because grinding and exping in game sucks. Whos wants to train? When you can go BC kill myhomes and hunt ET3, boss etc?

 

If it wasn't exp service in game, I would of quit already at earlier level. It's beneficial for everyone

Stop complaining

 

Except people who are college age or younger [22-], which is a nice portion of any gaming community. When I'm taking out huge loans to pay for schooling, adding debt with gaming is not in my best interest. This is why I play "free" games.

 

Students don't get paid for their time in school, and it consumes as much time as a job or more. We have limited time the same as people with jobs and we don't get the funds to spend, which means we can't compete since we aren't able to use exp service or put in the time ourselves.

 

This is why it's not fair.

 

@msce:

While I can respect the fact you have criticisms for your government, I don't see how it's really relevant conversations about this game.

 

Not Fair?

 

Interesting, ask my friends I have not donated a single dollar into the game, and many people are the same with me? All the euro/coins is from hunted items

 

What I mean is the exp service allows more freedom into game play, like "free" MMORPG has led to more people interested into back these games, because there is no monthly subscription fee tied to it.

 

If you took a chunk of loan to pay for schooling, I suggest you not to even play the game, since it would diminish (depreciate) the benefits of even do schooling with low GPA.

 

One point to add:(Edited), most exp service occupy AD2, interesting you must be 124+, you have "so much" time in leveling to there , I thought students have limited time :-\

 

[Zero 0]

Not Fair?

 

Interesting, ask my friends I have not donated a single dollar into the game, and many people are the same with me? All the euro/coins is from hunted items

 

What I mean is the exp service allows more freedom into game play, like "free" MMORPG has led to more people interested into back these games, because there is no monthly subscription fee tied to it.

 

If you took a chunk of loan to pay for schooling, I suggest you not to even play the game, since it would diminish (depreciate) the benefits of even do schooling with low GPA.

 

-Interesting you go all on about "freedom" then suggest I follow your opinion instead of my own, and on top of that you assume just because I play a game I have a low GPA. If you really do have a job, I'm sure you understand that playing an hour a day or less won't kill you, and that "playing a game" doesn't mean that you sit home for 12 hours a day grinding every day of the week.

 

-Apparently you haven't heard of "no such thing as a free lunch". Just because you didn't pay for those euro/coins doesn't mean someone else didn't. At the end of the day, the exp service system doesn't work unless someone pays up, whether you donated or not doesn't matter since someone else did.

 

-The entire point people are making is that exp service is an elitist system, aka LESS freedom. Explain how it adds "more" freedom. If a game tells you there is no monthly subscription, it doesn't mean its entirely free. What if at level 110, I tell you there is an item you need to go on that costs $50? These are called micro-transactions in games [i think], and quite clearly you're having to pay for the game. Its like expansion packs for other games you have to buy to get the actual full game, and we're saying exp service is becoming a similar kind of system. Note: I did not say the exact same

 

[Quant 0]

Not Fair?

 

Interesting, ask my friends I have not donated a single dollar into the game, and many people are the same with me? All the euro/coins is from hunted items

 

What I mean is the exp service allows more freedom into game play, like "free" MMORPG has led to more people interested into back these games, because there is no monthly subscription fee tied to it.

 

If you took a chunk of loan to pay for schooling, I suggest you not to even play the game, since it would diminish (depreciate) the benefits of even do schooling with low GPA.

 

Congratz, to bullet points, still long sentence doesn't persuade people

 

-Interesting you go all on about "freedom" then suggest I follow your opinion instead of my own, and on top of that you assume just because I play a game I have a low GPA. If you really do have a job, I'm sure you understand that playing an hour a day or less won't kill you, and that "playing a game" doesn't mean that you sit home for 12 hours a day grinding every day of the week.

Hey, I'm just a devil advocate, don't be so obsess that you have to follow me or not, I don't care. Well didn't you said to ceh89

There are two 140s. As you said yourself you're pretty sure he doesn't go to school. I'd be fairly impressed if someone made it to 140, went to school and maintained grades, then grinded to 140 solo and still had time for sleep over a few months.

Excuse me, what you trying to say then?

So you mean, playing 12 hours a day, correlates to low grades? Well how about a friend helping him or a party? But you don't have one?

 

-Apparently you haven't heard of "no such thing as a free lunch". Just because you didn't pay for those euro/coins doesn't mean someone else didn't. At the end of the day, the exp service system doesn't work unless someone pays up, whether you donated or not doesn't matter since someone else did.

Well, no such thing as a free lunch does not include intangibles? Time? Effort? In hunting? , only tangibles?

Ambiguity, exp service use there "time" & "effort" to exp for you, in exchange, you pay them coins in exchange which you got from "hunting", to hunt you have to put "time" & "effort" to do that, no?

 

-The entire point people are making is that exp service is an elitist system, aka LESS freedom. Explain how it adds "more" freedom. If a game tells you there is no monthly subscription, it doesn't mean its entirely free. What if at level 110, I tell you there is an item you need to go on that costs $50? These are called micro-transactions in games [i think], and quite clearly you're having to pay for the game. Its like expansion packs for other games you have to buy to get the actual full game, and we're saying exp service is becoming a similar kind of system. Note: I did not say the exact same

I don't get what you trying to express or impress me, but, I didn't pay anything to play this game, I just use my "time" wisely if u can say, to exchange into "coins" another type of medium of exchange other than gold.

- I got a tip for you, I bought 3 124 ORB with it was 60kk, I sold it after ORB change stats 300kk each, be smart, and play smart 8)

 

Please don't mind the 14pt font, no intention was made other than clarity issues

 

Actually, I did pay something "real tangibles" in playing this game is my electricity bill to open my computer :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

[Zero 0]

Stuff

 

-Too much to quote, and I'm not following you, we just happen to constantly disagree with our opinions.

 

-140 is a long grind, whether you use exp service, solo, or have friends help you, it will take a long time. The fact that he didn't use exp service according ceh89, is why I said I'd be impressed if he did it on top of school while maintaining grades.

 

-The free lunch concept does include intangibles, which is exactly why the principle states nothing is truly free. The only way you get coins from hunting is if you find drops to sell from other players who purchase the coins. Hunting is not consistent either unless you spend lots of time. You can spend a week or so and not drop the highest level gear set. By the time you get enough items from hunting to use exp service, you probably could've leveled if you exped instead of hunted. Most people prefer trying to hunt because they find exp boring, even though its not guaranteed.

 

Using coins when you don't donate requires someone else to pay for you. Its not about using your time wisely, its requiring other people to pay.

[Quant 0]

Stuff

 

-Too much to quote, and I'm not following you, we just happen to constantly disagree with our opinions.

 

-140 is a long grind, whether you use exp service, solo, or have friends help you, it will take a long time. The fact that he didn't use exp service according ceh89, is why I said I'd be impressed if he did it on top of school while maintaining grades.

 

-The free lunch concept does include intangibles, which is exactly why the principle states nothing is truly free. The only way you get coins from hunting is if you find drops to sell from other players who purchase the coins. Hunting is not consistent either unless you spend lots of time. You can spend a week or so and not drop the highest level gear set. By the time you get enough items from hunting to use exp service, you probably could've leveled if you exped instead of hunted. Most people prefer trying to hunt because they find exp boring, even though its not guaranteed.

 

Using coins when you don't donate requires someone else to pay for you. Its not about using your time wisely, its requiring other people to pay.

 

-Why we disagree, is simple, there is always 2 parts of the argument, Pros & Cons, please dont take it too seriously

-I'm not sure about ceh havng 140, I haven't seen it yet only 137, well I think he got a party to help him level 140, which is not unusual since 140 exp requires a lot, also, a person really solo his way to 140, the concern for you is to admire him? Not to worry about his life? His health is properly suffering not OK 8)

 

-You agree to include intangibles , YAY!, why would anything be free? I don't get your point? Do we get that in real life? I don't need to explain this right?

Hunting is a very subjective topic, some people go ET3 first mob 124 item dropped, or you go Valentino, Dark Guardian it drops Vring or DGS, but you didnt looted it because it was not on you side, it sometimes "Dump" luck in hunting. Also you forgot to mention SoD provides income. More you SoD more the income, in this point I can agree, more times spent = more gold you make

 

I doubt anyone likes lvling 5 hours a day ;D ;D

 

Hey if some rich kid decide to pay for your lunch or dinner, or your company (when you go to work) offer perks, holiday, hotels, allowance, you not going to take/ Enjoy?

 

Using coins when you don't donate requires someone else to pay for you.[/u] Its not about using your time wisely, its requiring other people to pay.

Do you have relations with the him/her to pay anyway? Does it bother you, they have to "out" pocket their money ;D ;D

 

Btw, you know why the game is free right? They designed a system of donation, where you make donations and special items is provided to you, its very popular in other set-ups in MMORPG e.g. PerfectWorld

 

Admins, have also provided donations on levels, but the price is way too much, that why we can enjoy exp service, a "secondary" market good, when you go to buy a donate item from something else, at a much lower price that they purchased?

 

From donation items

Do you feel its very unfair that they pay so much at first, but you just pay them at a "secondary" price

 

 

[[D]ohkito 2]

Quick Suggestion:

Set two AD2 per server.

Easy to be made,exp service keep happening but free spawns for everyone. It's dumb but it's useful. ;D

[Quant 0]

ohkito" post="389854" timestamp="1322558810"]

Quick Suggestion:

Set two AD2 per server.

Easy to be made,exp service keep happening but free spawns for everyone. It's dumb but it's useful. ;D

 

+1

Didn't know why it was not suggested at first place 8) 8) 8)

[Zero 0]

-Why we disagree, is simple, there is always 2 parts of the argument, Pros & Cons, please dont take it too seriously

-I'm not sure about ceh havng 140, I haven't seen it yet only 137, well I think he got a party to help him level 140, which is not unusual since 140 exp requires a lot, also, a person really solo his way to 140, the concern for you is to admire him? Not to worry about his life? His health is properly suffering not OK 8)

 

-You agree to include intangibles , YAY!, why would anything be free? I don't get your point? Do we get that in real life? I don't need to explain this right?

Hunting is a very subjective topic, some people go ET3 first mob 124 item dropped, or you go Valentino, Dark Guardian it drops Vring or DGS, but you didnt looted it because it was not on you side, it sometimes "Dump" luck in hunting. Also you forgot to mention SoD provides income. More you SoD more the income, in this point I can agree, more times spent = more gold you make

 

I doubt anyone likes lvling 5 hours a day ;D ;D

 

Hey if some rich kid decide to pay for your lunch or dinner, or your company (when you go to work) offer perks, holiday, hotels, allowance, you not going to take/ Enjoy?

 

Using coins when you don't donate requires someone else to pay for you.[/u] Its not about using your time wisely, its requiring other people to pay.

Do you have relations with the him/her to pay anyway? Does it bother you, they have to "out" pocket their money ;D ;D

 

Btw, you know why the game is free right? They designed a system of donation, where you make donations and special items is provided to you, its very popular in other set-ups in MMORPG e.g. PerfectWorld

 

Admins, have also provided donations on levels, but the price is way too much, that why we can enjoy exp service, a "secondary" market good, when you go to buy a donate item from something else, at a much lower price that they purchased?

 

From donation items

Do you feel its very unfair that they pay so much at first, but you just pay them at a "secondary" price

 

-Assuming things about my psyche that I'm "taking this too seriously" is a clever way to insult me or showcase that you have the stronger argument. The problem is your lacking a basis for these small claims you keep asserting about me, whether it be "low GPA", that I "take it too seriously" or that I "follow you around". I'm curious as to why you think I've taken this too seriously. Nowhere have I appeared angry or used insulting words that would suggest making such an assertion. If you're making assertions without any basis, it would suggest you're insecure in this conversation.

 

-I didn't say things were free, the whole "no such thing as a free lunch" argument is exactly that nothing is free [Remember, I brought this argument up]. This point as I mentioned, already includes intangibles in it. Never once did I say to leave it out, it was actually quite the opposite. Either you're not comprehending what I'm saying or you're putting words in my mouth for your lack of ability to argue with the points I bring up.

 

-They're not offering you exp service with nothing given back in return. It's an exchange of goods, so your point about the rich kid "giving you a lunch" is invalid.

 

-Now you're just going in circles. We already discussed donators getting special benefits before, and how many forms that can happen in. Rarely do you ever see levels being handed out, and I cannot recall once of the games I've played where a retail game service provider did this. Some games provide only costumes and nothing else, others provide things like exp potions, other provide weapons. Its a matter of how much or what donators should get that everyone argues about, not that they should just give for nothing. This is already the second time I believe I've stated this point to you. I'll be going to bed and I have a busy day, so you can post your final comments about it, but I won't respond for awhile.

[Quant 0]

Chil lax man, 8)

 

You got good points there, u won:)

[Odoaker 0]

Making leeching not possible, bad idea... ( what if i want to leech my nub char? )

 

Forbidding xp service, bad idea... ( will make it go underground )

 

Should figure out a way, so xp service can exist, and none donaters have no hard time playing

 

What that solution is, i dont know yet . Ill brainstorm on it....

[[D]ohkito 2]

Making leeching not possible, bad idea... ( what if i want to leech my nub char? )

 

Forbidding xp service, bad idea... ( will make it go underground )

 

Should figure out a way, so xp service can exist, and none donaters have no hard time playing

 

What that solution is, i dont know yet . Ill brainstorm on it....

 

ohkito link=topic=61635.msg389854#msg389854 date=1322558810]

Quick Suggestion:

Set two AD2 per server.

Easy to be made,exp service keep happening but free spawns for everyone. It's dumb but it's useful. ;D

[LCaldeira 0]

somethink have to be done.

[srekcusybdetum 0]

Making leeching not possible, bad idea... ( what if i want to leech my nub char? )

 

Forbidding xp service, bad idea... ( will make it go underground )

 

Should figure out a way, so xp service can exist, and none donaters have no hard time playing

 

What that solution is, i dont know yet . Ill brainstorm on it....

When exp services started they were never supported, in any way. I know a lot of people that used exp service, and the ones hired for that played the char to exp, only.

Just like account sharing or trading, there should be NO SUPPORT at all to any problem with that, so people do it at their own risk and if something go wrong both sides get fucked up. Would still be easier to pay someone to play, but risky, and you'll have to find someone whom you can trust to do that.

 

Making leech impossible or pretty hard to be done is, yes, an awesome idea, suggested many times and that REALLY should be done.

Leeching is just game exploit, just like class switching (wich should be forbidden aswell). You're using the advantage of one class to boost something else. Where's the pain of the choice you've made?

[Sonah 0]

ohkito" post="389854" timestamp="1322558810"]

Quick Suggestion:

Set two AD2 per server.

Easy to be made,exp service keep happening but free spawns for everyone. It's dumb but it's useful. ;D

 

And we will have more xp service.