Impossible to up lvl 128 +

[DarkLink64 921]

I've did many suggestions months ago.

 

  On 8/30/2011 at 4:25 AM, luizlink64 said:

Finally!

 

I do. I support this. There is a lot of reasons to why i should support it.

 

First, almost important HS in the game (FT, AD, CT) are always taken by some kind of exper (Priests, Mages, Atas, etc). They don't allow you to join on their party, and, when they accept it, you must give your exp to someone who is only leeching, and, it's just kill the point on partying to get extra EXP.

 

I have many ideas to stop it. Let's go!

 

First of all, i suggested to the party exp formula work on real time. You can see my whole suggestion here: http://www.realmpt.net/forum/index.php?topic=43707.msg285981#msg285981

 

I'll copy paste here.

 

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Real Time Party EXP formula

 

Whats the deal?

 

Everyone knows, when someone are out of the party range, or in another map, the Party EXP formula is still applyed on how many members the party have. The Party EXP formula, is Monster EXP +40% / number of party members.

 

So, it's kinda annoying when you need to repot, or just to AFK a little time, and needs to go out of the party. Or, the same goes when someone dies and go back to the city. And the real problem is when the Party Leader goes out of the party range, or to another map.

 

My suggestion is simply: The party EXP formula will now be calculated real time.

 

How it will work?

 

Now the party EXP will be calculated individually on each player, not fixed for everyone, like always.

 

 

Pretty simple:

 

center of the party range = player position (our character)

 

If <=1 members on the party range, then

 

mob exp + 0% (in this case, is just our character on the party range)

 

else

 

Mob exp + 40% / number of party members in range (green dots. Dont forget, our character still counts)

 

 

So, imo, it wouldn't be that hard to develop. All that is needed is to make a validation of greendots (or members in party range, including our character), then, proceed with party formula. This validation will happen in each 5 or 10 seconds. So, it will be a real time exp, making party gameplay even better.

 

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1. A timer. IF character is iddle (not moving or taking an action) for more than 30 seconds, THEN, he/she will not gain EXP anymore, and the party formula will change (removing the AFK character on the party range validation).

 

I nice thing to do for it, with my Real Time party exp formula, is to change the state of the green dots, forcing it to be red, so, it wouldn't be validated more, increasing overall party exp in real time.

 

OBS: Iddle is when your character isn't taking any kind of action. Taking damage should keep the iddle stats to prevent leeching on a spot with only or 2 mobs that she/he can tank with no problems.

 

DL. why only 30 seconds?

 

I'm know RPT pretty much, this little time is to prevent macros and bots. Is kinda 'easy' for those cheaters to make a character to move (only for one step) or cast some active buff skill, and reset the timer. So, with a little time, we, normal players, will be able to notice these small changes on the leecher position, making reports for 2 violations:

 

Leeching and botting.

 

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2. Alongside with the iddle status, another thing should be implemented (to prevent macros and bot) with the 30 second iddle timer. If character DOESN'T hit any mob for less than 1 minute, he/she party status will be forced to be red.

 

But, Hey DL! What's about people that keep luring monsters for a killer?

 

Simple task: Show a little timer (like active skills) on the screen, that will have a 10 seconds countdown to the character status to be forced to be red. So, a lurer will have 10 second to only do a single hit on any mob near him.

 

(the hit doesnt need to be succefully hit, you can still miss it. The validation is simple : character targeting a mob and doing an action against it)

 

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3. Forced party kick. Another security. (to prevent macros and bots) If one or both of the 2 conditions ahead doesnt met for 5~10 minutes, force party kick AND auto-city teleport.

 

Hey DL! How it will work?

 

Simple:

 

If a character keep iddle for 5~10 minutes and/or doesnt hit any kind of mob for 5~10 minutes, it will be forced to be kicked out of the party AND will be automatically teleported back to character main city (pillai or ricarten).

 

The teleport thing maybe be strange, but, i have a reason to it. First of all, a character will be only teleported back if it is too much afk/no hitting mob on a PARTY. If you leave your character doing nothing, but also without a party, nothing will happen.

 

My reasons to it is just to lock use of macros and annoy the leecher to get back to the spot. Also helping non leechers to get a spot on the HS.

 

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About EXP Service:::

 

 

Who said that exp service should be done with a strong killer (Priest) and a lot of leechers on the walls (leechers who paid the exp service)?

 

Exp Service, should be a hired people to level up someone's character. So, this mean, the exp service SHOULD INDEED play with the character, not only leave him on the wall.

 

I would call it Share Service.

 

 

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There is no need and no point to lock multiple logins on the same pc. It will bring much problems, starting by a mule character seelling things while you're playing normally.

 

 

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Thanks! DL. Hope all of you enjoy and discuss, without flame.

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[Zero 0]

-I was under the impression exp was already calculated real time with range, guess not, good idea if it isn't.

 

Nice suggestions but a few problems arise:

 

-Moving is simple, especially with multi-client. Its a matter of a simple click from one screen to the next and the timer is nullified, and this can be done in between skill casts its that fast. [it would probably prevent more than 1-2 leechers in the party tho]

 

-The attack based one is difficult, such as when a prs has to run around and re-vl the whole party, buff herself, and then cast DF. Or if a priestess is using regen field for a boss, SoD, or other functions, it would mean she would not get exp even though she is contributing. Maybe a lower level/less-geared mech is barely holding his own in r8 and can't attack, since he has to spam potions to tank it all while everyone else kills. While these are much finer details, the scenarios are still plausible for the attack timer being a problem.

 

I thought of similar ideas myself, and I think we'd agree it probably won't be any one method but multiple methods we implement to get it fixed in a way that blocks exp service without worrying normal users.

[tommylizard 1]

Wew, lots of whining here.

"I can't exp, so please remove exp services, they're not cool"

That's what it sounds to me.

[DarkLink64 921]

  On 11/28/2011 at 12:32 PM, Zero said:

-I was under the impression exp was already calculated real time with range, guess not, good idea if it isn't.

No, the exp isn't calculated by this method. You can easily see that the EXP is calculated based on current party members, when youre partying and someone goes out of the party range or go back to city, your exp per mob is just the same when the whole party is inside of party range.

 

Nice suggestions but a few problems arise:

 

-Moving is simple, especially with multi-client. Its a matter of a simple click from one screen to the next and the timer is nullified, and this can be done in between skill casts its that fast. [it would probably prevent more than 1-2 leechers in the party tho]

Thats why i've suggested the action validation, which goes below...

 

-The attack based one is difficult, such as when a prs has to run around and re-vl the whole party, buff herself, and then cast DF. Or if a priestess is using regen field for a boss, SoD, or other functions, it would mean she would not get exp even though she is contributing. Maybe a lower level/less-geared mech is barely holding his own in r8 and can't attack, since he has to spam potions to tank it all while everyone else kills. While these are much finer details, the scenarios are still plausible for the attack timer being a problem.

...as i've suggested, you have 30 seconds to move. If youre moving, you have 1 minute to take ANY kind of action. To help lurers, a countdown will appear to the player who is moving but doesnt taking any action, on the last 10 seconds to it's iddle status to become red, therefore not receiving any exp.

 

I thought of similar ideas myself, and I think we'd agree it probably won't be any one method but multiple methods we implement to get it fixed in a way that blocks exp service without worrying normal users.

It doesn't prevent just EXP service, but also the heck of leeching. Both things is what ruins the entire server.

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[kvra 0]

This could be easily fixed. How?

GM doing GM things. They have powers. They can see the Party chat, Clan chat... everything, but they are too busy doing other "things" less important.

And how it's possible to finish this?

http://www.realmpt.net/forum/index.php?topic=18251.0;topicseen

Wartale knows her account, the guys who make XP Service. It's just so simple to ban everyone who want's and is making this.

Idk... IMO they are recieving some part of this "service", because Sand also knows that Vanbibi sell things for Real Money (but he can't prove ???).

Well.. w/e

[DarkLink64 921]

The main point is:

 

I don't think if the staff wants to stop exp servicing/leech.

 

The moderator guy some pages behind clearly said that exp service is one reliable way to earn money profit.

 

To be honest, by his words, they don't know how to get profit by making the game less garbage-like. For god sake, i never saw before a game only earning profit by players paying to others players, to level up their characters.

 

Something is wrong. I don't see anything!

http://starfox64.baldninja.com/wav/slip-wrong.wav

[Ryoko 0]

This problem could have a simple solution, remove the trade coin feature in game, thus any coin translation need to pass over staff eyes, the ones the staff find iligal they don't complete the trade.

It's simple like that, no one gives a huge amount of coins to someone with no reason. This will also hamper the selling of coins by real money.

But ofc, the staff needs to work for this happen.

[JoeHandsome 1]

Don't come here and say Wartale didn't do anything to block/make it harder for the EXP services.

 

He made it impossible for players to use the cursor-out-off-window trick.

He also made it impossible for players to use AoE skills on other users.

And he has also worked on making an anti-leech system, so that leechers would gain less XP or nothing (this isn't finished).

 

Besides that, isn't it better to keep a little control over the EXP service than saying it is illegal.

I would say that it is better to keep a little control over it, otherwise all the EXP service payments would go under the table.

[DarkLink64 921]

  On 11/28/2011 at 2:04 PM, Wartale ♥ said:

Don't come here and say Wartale didn't do anything to block/make it harder for the EXP services.

 

He made it impossible for players to use the cursor-out-off-window trick.

He also made it impossible for players to use AoE skills on other users.

And he has also worked on making an anti-leech system, so that leechers would gain less XP or nothing (this isn't finished).

 

Besides that, isn't it better to keep a little control over the EXP service than saying it is illegal.

I would say that it is better to keep a little control over it, otherwise all the EXP service payments would go under the table.

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But it doesn't change the fact that all good-HS spawns are taken by some kind of EXP Service or leecher. Well, after months without playing it, AD remained unchanged on this matter.

 

Say what, EXP Event?

 

Just for the elite ones. Brace yourselves!

http://starfox64.baldninja.com/wav/pep-brace.wav

 

Maybe the server's exp-servicers can get some profit selling these kinds of t-shirts

 

[Null 2]

Any spawn suggestions for AD2? If anyone has any, please edit the map with the new spawn locations or any other changes you would do (to prevent leeching in general).

[Gogg 3]

http://www.realmpt.net/forum/index.php?topic=54806.0

 

Suggestion?

[magiica 0]

noob question..what's a leecher?

[Gogg 3]

  On 11/28/2011 at 3:27 PM, magiica said:

noob question..what's a leecher?

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Leecher are the chars that stay on party just to get exp. They're usually afk, doing absolutelly nothing, like a leech ._."

[Zero 0]

  On 11/28/2011 at 12:52 PM, luizlink64 said:

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-The attack based one is difficult, such as when a prs has to run around and re-vl the whole party, buff herself, and then cast DF. Or if a priestess is using regen field for a boss, SoD, or other functions, it would mean she would not get exp even though she is contributing. Maybe a lower level/less-geared mech is barely holding his own in r8 and can't attack, since he has to spam potions to tank it all while everyone else kills. While these are much finer details, the scenarios are still plausible for the attack timer being a problem.

...as i've suggested, you have 30 seconds to move. If youre moving, you have 1 minute to take ANY kind of action. To help lurers, a countdown will appear to the player who is moving but doesnt taking any action, on the last 10 seconds to it's iddle status to become red, therefore not receiving any exp.

 

I thought of similar ideas myself, and I think we'd agree it probably won't be any one method but multiple methods we implement to get it fixed in a way that blocks exp service without worrying normal users.

It doesn't prevent just EXP service, but also the heck of leeching. Both things is what ruins the entire server.

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I like the real time formula as I said, but the action validation isn't much use since every class has a way to take action without needing monsters.

 

Priestess - Ice meteor

Mage - Dias

Pike - Ground Pike

Mech - Switch buffs, PA/MA/Maxi

Archer - Level 1 scout hawk

FS - Any level of Berserker with 30 second duration

Knight - Divine shield/Godly shield switch

Atalanta - ToV/HoV switch

 

The leecher could still stay out of the spawn and in safety using this ^. Its very hard to determine a method that only hurts leechers, since almost anything has a backdoor to get out of. Granted, it would definitely make it much more of a hassle for them and probably prevent them using 5-6 leeches at a time. Still would like a method that discourages exp service even if they only use 1 leech.

 

 

[DarkLink64 921]

Stopping EVERY Exp Service and Leecher is a hard thing.

 

But, as my suggestion goes, this will make Exp Service and Leechers work all to be harder. Plus, if they use a kind of macro or bot, they will need to keep answering EVERY character that they're feeding.

 

Leeching and Exp Service will be a pain in the neck. Also, if the leecher / exp service forgot to do all these conditions, they'll be kicked out of the party and/or teleported back to the city.

 

The only way to bane EVERY exp service and leecher, without affecting a normal player gameplay, is a complete overhaul in the game engine, like, the map design and spawn locations, or, like someone said before, GM doing GM things.

[Zero 0]

  On 11/28/2011 at 11:49 PM, luizlink64 said:

Stopping EVERY Exp Service and Leecher is a hard thing.

 

But, as my suggestion goes, this will make Exp Service and Leechers work all to be harder. Plus, if they use a kind of macro or bot, they will need to keep answering EVERY character that they're feeding.

 

Leeching and Exp Service will be a pain in the neck. Also, if the leecher / exp service forgot to do all these conditions, they'll be kicked out of the party and/or teleported back to the city.

 

The only way to bane EVERY exp service and leecher, without affecting a normal player gameplay, is a complete overhaul in the game engine, like, the map design and spawn locations, or, like someone said before, GM doing GM things.

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Ya, it will discourage some I agree. I'm just trying to figure out the most efficient solution, providing the flaws and seeing if you have a counterpart to them. At the end of the day, any idea will probably have some loophole, but we just want it to either be too much of a hassle or small enough it will discourage exp service.

[LCaldeira 0]

I agree 100%, somethink should be done, in ad1 ad2 and ft2 are full of exper.

[mcse1989 0]

if someone dont have time to play and want to up ? so we can help them..your life is not free.. and everythig is not free.. you know sandurr is the best and he do everything good for us....

 

everything always need services in your life. do you think exper can get your coins easy ? i can say no.. because they dont sleep in night.. never sleep.. its not easy to get your coins..if sandurr anti-leecher all exper will become scammer. and everybody will be happy right ?

 

you want to play a good games and dont want to waste your money ? alll games wasting your money in this  world. its not  only this games. you know when i play ptv(priston tale viet nam) .. my friend was wasted 50000~70000 usd for 1 char but there is no support player.. bad services. bad item.. many hacker..many scammer..bad gamer. bad gamer in priston tale viet nam.

 

finally  i want to say about exp services. its still good for server.. it can be support for everybody if you dont have time.and it can be help more money for server.

 

sorry if my english is bad.

[[D]ohkito 2]

^ Now, I want see the Vanbibi's and .HeRoMan.'s point of view. They could come here and defeat the Exp Service.

Would be EPIC.

 

hahahahahhahaha

 

@Ceh

Why PTV were bad ?  ???

[Quant 0]

  On 11/29/2011 at 6:46 AM, mcse1989 said:

if someone dont have time to play and want to up ? so we can help them..your life is not free.. and everythig is not free.. you know sandurr is the best and he do everything good for us....

 

everything always need services in your life. do you think exper can get your coins easy ? i can say no.. because they dont sleep in night.. never sleep.. its not easy to get your coins..if sandurr anti-leecher all exper will become scammer. and everybody will be happy right ?

 

you want to play a good games and dont want to waste your money ? alll games wasting your money in this  world. its not  only this games. you know when i play ptv(priston tale viet nam) .. my friend was wasted 50000~70000 usd for 1 char but there is no support player.. bad services. bad item.. many hacker..many scammer..bad gamer. bad gamer in priston tale viet nam.

 

finally  i want to say about exp services. its still good for server.. it can be support for everybody if you dont have time.and it can be help more money for server.

 

sorry if my english is bad.

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This is true,

 

I have a full time Job now and I don't have time to exp much. Maybe sometimes 3-4 hours at night

 

Life is not free, you earn money and you pay your rentals, water, electricity and gas. I live alone now, independent from parent support, and oh boy trust me, its tough when you got so much expenses.

 

Seriously, if I was given coins to train every Month, I would die, because grinding and exping in game sucks. Whos wants to train? When you can go BC kill myhomes and hunt ET3, boss etc?

 

If it wasn't exp service in game, I would of quit already at earlier level. It's beneficial for everyone

 

Stop complaining

[mcse1989 0]

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ohkito" post="389795" timestamp="1322549584"]

^ Now, I want see the Vanbibi's and .HeRoMan.'s point of view. They could come here and defeat the Exp Service.

Would be EPIC.

 

hahahahahhahaha

 

@Ceh

Why PTV were bad ?  ???

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you know ptv is games for rich player.. if you want to up 11x you will be waste ~ 10000 usd > 50000 .. Games Master's ptv always want money under table.you know ptv said ? no money no up in ptv. there is no freedom life in my country.. they dont care about discuss.they always care about money and money..

 

as you know sandurr always listening gamer. and i know a few player dont like exp services .. just a few

[mcse1989 0]

  On 11/29/2011 at 6:56 AM, Quant said:

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if someone dont have time to play and want to up ? so we can help them..your life is not free.. and everythig is not free.. you know sandurr is the best and he do everything good for us....

 

everything always need services in your life. do you think exper can get your coins easy ? i can say no.. because they dont sleep in night.. never sleep.. its not easy to get your coins..if sandurr anti-leecher all exper will become scammer. and everybody will be happy right ?

 

you want to play a good games and dont want to waste your money ? alll games wasting your money in this  world. its not  only this games. you know when i play ptv(priston tale viet nam) .. my friend was wasted 50000~70000 usd for 1 char but there is no support player.. bad services. bad item.. many hacker..many scammer..bad gamer. bad gamer in priston tale viet nam.

 

finally  i want to say about exp services. its still good for server.. it can be support for everybody if you dont have time.and it can be help more money for server.

 

sorry if my english is bad.

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This is true,

 

I have a full time Job now and I don't have time to exp much. Maybe sometimes 3-4 hours at night

 

Life is not free, you earn money and you pay your rentals, water, electricity and gas. I live alone now, independent from parent support, and oh boy trust me, its tough when you got so much expenses.

 

Seriously, if I was given coins to train every Month, I would die, because grinding and exping in game sucks. Whos wants to train? When you can go BC kill myhomes and hunt ET3, boss etc?

 

If it wasn't exp service in game, I would of quit already at earlier level. It's beneficial for everyone

 

Stop complaining

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if you want to free life.. its like homeless.. they are always use free services.. free food.. free house .. everything from goverment..and i can say wih you.. there is no freedom life in my coutryn.. my gorverment is communist. everybody is poor.

[Quant 0]

  On 11/28/2011 at 2:04 PM, Wartale ♥ said:

Don't come here and say Wartale didn't do anything to block/make it harder for the EXP services.

 

He made it impossible for players to use the cursor-out-off-window trick.

He also made it impossible for players to use AoE skills on other users.

And he has also worked on making an anti-leech system, so that leechers would gain less XP or nothing (this isn't finished).

 

Besides that, isn't it better to keep a little control over the EXP service than saying it is illegal.

I would say that it is better to keep a little control over it, otherwise all the EXP service payments would go under the table.

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Wartale made a good point.

 

It's much tougher already for exper to level up.

 

Even you make a timer or what, the exper can just find 1 more guy just to move around the players every few minutes or so. Spawn will be still taken by exp service, there is no doubt about that.

 

It's impossible even to have 0 crime, watch Minority Report , Pre crime LOL

 

FAILED

[Zero 0]

  On 11/29/2011 at 6:56 AM, Quant said:

This is true,

 

I have a full time Job now and I don't have time to exp much. Maybe sometimes 3-4 hours at night

 

Life is not free, you earn money and you pay your rentals, water, electricity and gas. I live alone now, independent from parent support, and oh boy trust me, its tough when you got so much expenses.

 

Seriously, if I was given coins to train every Month, I would die, because grinding and exping in game sucks. Whos wants to train? When you can go BC kill myhomes and hunt ET3, boss etc?

 

If it wasn't exp service in game, I would of quit already at earlier level. It's beneficial for everyone

Stop complaining

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Except people who are college age or younger [22-], which is a nice portion of any gaming community. When I'm taking out huge loans to pay for schooling, adding debt with gaming is not in my best interest. This is why I play "free" games.

 

Students don't get paid for their time in school, and it consumes as much time as a job or more. We have limited time the same as people with jobs and we don't get the funds to spend, which means we can't compete since we aren't able to use exp service or put in the time ourselves.

 

This is why it's not fair.

 

@msce:

While I can respect the fact you have criticisms for your government, I don't see how it's really relevant conversations about this game.

 

 

[ShufflingMage 0]

i LOVE exp service..

Just add more HS in AD2..

For example at the entrance of AD3.. etc2..