Exper dont get your coins easily

[Guest Eleven]

here comes the heat  :

 

well, back to topic.

If u dont want the Exp Service, u train by ur self. and enjoy.

 

then, if u have the money, then donate to the server and buy an exp service.

sit back and relax. after few weeks and wooolaa, ur char is 12x / 13x  ;D

 

 

~end

[rptps 1]

ryoko do you remenber i was played free for you when yous till 127>128  :-[

now , I would like to call it is DISGRADE  ryoko.

[rptps 1]

Still, that should stop aswell.

 

Start selling all levels, and cheaper, then. This is the most stupid thing, a game that you don't play, but pay someone to play for you.

 

And honestly, I don't really care if you don't like exping or if you don't have time enough to play. If you can't play just don't freaking do it.

 

I rephrased this :

 

This is the most stupid thing, you open a restaurant and you employed some employees to manage it, its stupid I open a restaurant and you don't work in it, but pay someone to work for you.

 

And honestly, I dont care if you don't like this Agency relationship set-up, If you don't have enough time to manage your restaurant, don't freaking open it

 

8)

 

I get ur point sure

+1

[rptps 1]

Start selling all levels, and cheaper, then.

I agree with you about this point.I have also advised this matter with sandurr while ago.

 

[mcse1989 0]

Start selling all levels, and cheaper, then.

I agree with you about this point.I have also advised this matter with sandurr while ago.

 

and who want to play more? this games will be bore. many people still train not only exper

[rptps 1]

Start selling all levels, and cheaper, then.

I agree with you about this point.I have also advised this matter with sandurr while ago.

 

and who want to play more? this games will be bore. many people still train not only exper

there is certain amount which you  and another xpers should not go lower than it.

For example , lvl 130-131 : 250E etc..Tell me how much they  pay for you to lvl from 130-131 : 100E??? 

Keep the general price for all xpers.It will help all of you also this server.

 

[Quant 0]

Start selling all levels, and cheaper, then.

I agree with you about this point.I have also advised this matter with sandurr while ago.

 

and who want to play more? this games will be bore. many people still train not only exper

there is certain amount which you  and another xpers should not go lower than it.

For example , lvl 130-131 : 250E etc..Tell me how much they  pay for you to lvl from 130-131 : 100E??? 

Keep the general price for all xpers.It will help all of you also this server.

 

I guess the prices is hard to agree on, even they add it in, im sure exper will make discounts and make the pricing ineffective. Exp service will still live on

[srekcusybdetum 0]

Interesting and stupid this crap edit on what I said.

 

If you're going to use a restaurant as example, do it properly.

 

The restaurant owner is like the server owner, not the player

Restaurant is a place to eat, game server is a place to play

 

As stupid as paying someone to play a game in a server for you is paying someone to eat in a restaurant for you.

 

Wanna be funny? Try harder

 

 

@rptps: you need some language skills

[Quant 0]

Interesting and stupid this crap edit on what I said.

 

If you're going to use a restaurant as example, do it properly.

 

The restaurant owner is like the server owner, not the player

Restaurant is a place to eat, game server is a place to play

 

As stupid as paying someone to play a game in a server for you is paying someone to eat in a restaurant for you.

 

Wanna be funny? Try harder

 

 

@rptps: you need some language skills

 

OK, its my bad :-[

[mcse1989 0]

Interesting and stupid this crap edit on what I said.

 

If you're going to use a restaurant as example, do it properly.

 

The restaurant owner is like the server owner, not the player

Restaurant is a place to eat, game server is a place to play

 

As stupid as paying someone to play a game in a server for you is paying someone to eat in a restaurant for you.

 

Wanna be funny? Try harder

 

 

@rptps: you need some language skills

 

what about waiter . if there is no services in restaurant ? and about tip money ? tip money onwer can't get it.

 

like exp services owner's server can't get it

 

[srekcusybdetum 0]

The waiter is eating for who, may I ask?

 

As employees of the restaurant they'd be like GMs on that example.

 

 

Screw you dude, seriously. Go get a proper job if you want money.

[Ryoko 0]

ryoko do you remenber i was played free for you when yous till 127>128  :-[

now , I would like to call it is DISGRADE  ryoko.

Interesting, I remember this, you came and told me that you haven't any priest to level and asked me to borrow my priest, ofc I helped you 'cause you were in my clan (NeverEnding).

I was level 127, 85%, and you took 2 days to level it to 128 at ft2. I certainly could level this, probably faster, this was just to help you, I didn't want the exp. I have ss here if it helps you to remember.

 

Seriously, I wouldn't mind about exp service if I had a decent spawn to level. If it wouldn't take a insanely long time to lvl in 13x, 'cause ad2 isn't the right place, and ad3 just sucks. And if you guys really level the char, 'cause, thinking on the real thing, how can someone get experience in something if he does nothing ? That doesn't make sense.

In this very moment, we can't level in ad2 'cause these expers took all the spawns, so I have to hire a exp service to get a decent exp ? That's not fair.

 

Wat if no one levels his chars by himself?

And according to you, you used to pay exp service and now you fruit it? Is that a "shit" of the server?

Finally, what they do with their coins is not our business!

I never paid for exp service.

And if they do ilegal things with their coins it's my business, look at the game economy.

 

Most of the people whining about exp services is doing this because they can't find a good spawn to exp, because they're all taken (by expers or not). But what does this have to do with exp service being an abuse or not? C'mon, you're just being selfish there. Shutting down exp service won't solve this problem, there will be still tons of people looking for spawns and a little number of spawns to satisfy those people.

This is not only about the spawns. How many pikes, archer and fighters level by themselves ? I only see them leeching. If leeching were not an opition, they would do the right thing, level by themselves.

 

fruit up what?? do you know  how much  money xp services has  bought to this server?? do you think Wartale will spend his entiry life to develop this game without any return?

This server survived when the exp service was not a legal thing.

 

here comes the heat  :

 

well, back to topic.

If u dont want the Exp Service, u train by ur self. and enjoy.

 

then, if u have the money, then donate to the server and buy an exp service.

sit back and relax. after few weeks and wooolaa, ur char is 12x / 13x  ;D

~end

That's my point. This "wooolaa" is unbalancing the game. Do you see new players in level 12x/13x without hiring a exp service ? I don't see many. This exp service is impeding new players enjoy the game, if they don't pay there's no chance to be a high level. And here you can pay for everything now, items and level. Wasn't it good enough only with items ?

You probably think you're a smart person, let's see if you're going to understand my point. New level and items are going to be released, how much you pay to be lvl 140 ? You might not know, but it's a lot. Now think about the one who have a lot of money, a very rich person, he'll pay some euros and "wooolaa" he's level 150, nice isn't it ? Then you're gonna think, "I already paid too much to be level 13x, now I have to pay a lot more to be 14x, 'cause that one paid and he's 150 now" - Do you see know how it sucks ? Now imagine the one who is starting the game today and don't have that much money to spend on this game, he probably will quit in few weeks, don't you think ? But wait, if he stayed in the server he could donate some money to equip himself, however this is not happening, then Wartale needs to find an alternative to get the money that he'd with these new players, so what he do ? He release some useless items, like 116, to make people upgrade their old 115 items 2 times to make it 120, in summary, most of times the alternative that Wartale finds isn't good for us, old players. And that's just a part of the problem, would take too much time to write the whole thing.

 

Start selling all levels, and cheaper, then.

I agree with you about this point.I have also advised this matter with sandurr while ago.

 

and who want to play more? this games will be bore. many people still train not only exper

You're probably not playing rpt, or maybe you're doing too much exp service and don't see the current situation.

 

[bellum1234 0]

Interesting and stupid this crap edit on what I said.

 

If you're going to use a restaurant as example, do it properly.

 

The restaurant owner is like the server owner, not the player

Restaurant is a place to eat, game server is a place to play

 

i dont think so

the restaurant owner is like the character owner, not the server owners. The restaurant owner sometimes can do everything like his workers such as cooking, serving, etc like a player can lvl his char himself.

the server owners make law for the game, they are similar to government in life

And restaurant is a place to eat for customers and it's a place to work for ppl like waiters

Game server is a place to play for the character's owner and it's a place to get some coins for exp-ers.

Then imo, it's not a bad example

 

[mcse1989 0]

ok finally.. if someone can't play his/har char and i will play for them is it bad? like if your friend can't play and you are help your friend play is it bad ? :-\

[Zero 0]

-Most games don't even allow you to go as far as buying actual good gear. Exp service is simply too far.

 

-At some point a character should be your own body of work, if you didn't level it or hunt for the gear what exactly did you do? You can donate for levels, but it comes at a much higher price and most importantly of all, it is limited. You don't see donations for levels past 125 because that is where exp starts to get hard and where it should be your own work. People are willing to forgive the server for letting them skip the easy levels, so long as they do the hard ones themselves.

 

-The claim came up "Well then it creates scams, etc.". This point is simply nonsense, you of your own free will are engaging in an activity the server clearly states they do not support. You know the consequences in advance and so there is no reason for you to be surprised when things don't go your way. Hacking program offers, bots, trading for real money and other kinds of under the table stuff are out there, should we just legalize those to prevent them from scamming people? That would simply be insanity.

[[D]ohkito 2]

I'll do an adventure and post here.

You guys, who likes and dislikes, who did and who didn't, who agree and disagree with the EXP Service are right.That's why it's a very delicate subject and if you remember, we got another discussion something like this in a topic called "Disable AFK Leeching" (if I remember correctly). That topic gone as the same than is happening here, an endless discussion.

 

So, let's recover the human head, think. It's a big problem, too big than we can't discuss and cover and the pros and cons in a small, medium and long time. So, why not break the big problem into small pieces ? Then, will be more easy and fair to fix all this situation.

 

In my opinion, Porn-Star got the point here, discuss this first. And after, if be necessary we could re-discuss about ''disable Exp Services''. But, when this occur, we can discuss without  this thought in the head "I can't UP, all spawns are taken, they fucked with my level UP, them I'll fuck with they services."

 

Most of the people whining about exp services is doing this because they can't find a good spawn to exp, because they're all taken (by expers or not). But what does this have to do with exp service being an abuse or not? C'mon, you're just being selfish there. Shutting down exp service won't solve this problem, there will be still tons of people looking for spawns and a little number of spawns to satisfy those people.

 

We have many ways to fix this, somethings very easy to be done, so, get a raise at places to train level, more exp maps spawns or wherever else. And see if will be necessary disable the EXP Services.

[Tonberry 0]

here comes the heat  :

 

well, back to topic.

If u dont want the Exp Service, u train by ur self. and enjoy.

 

then, if u have the money, then donate to the server and buy an exp service.

sit back and relax. after few weeks and wooolaa, ur char is 12x / 13x  ;D

 

 

~end

 

wooolaa

[bellum1234 0]

I stopped reading in the second line.

fruit this exp service, there's NOBODY leveling by itself, NOBODY, there's no party, no spawn, there's nothing in this game.

Let's see, tell me a pike or a archer who don't do exp service that level by himself till a high level, tell me just one.

Damn, this exp service screw up the server.

And you just did this topic 'cause you're getting money with the exp service - "You know what I'm talking about"

Guys that suport exp service don't know a shit about the server.

C'mon , let's think what mcse and vanbibi do with his coins ? Give them to the poor ? ya...

that's why i said "according to you..." dont do it next time dude

about real money problem, you need some proof

and about this

 

That's my point. This "wooolaa" is unbalancing the game. Do you see new players in level 12x/13x without hiring a exp service ? I don't see many. This exp service is impeding new players enjoy the game, if they don't pay there's no chance to be a high level. And here you can pay for everything now, items and level. Wasn't it good enough only with items ?

You probably think you're a smart person, let's see if you're going to understand my point. New level and items are going to be released, how much you pay to be lvl 140 ? You might not know, but it's a lot. Now think about the one who have a lot of money, a very rich person, he'll pay some euros and "wooolaa" he's level 150, nice isn't it ? Then you're gonna think, "I already paid too much to be level 13x, now I have to pay a lot more to be 14x, 'cause that one paid and he's 150 now" - Do you see know how it sucks ? Now imagine the one who is starting the game today and don't have that much money to spend on this game, he probably will quit in few weeks, don't you think ? But wait, if he stayed in the server he could donate some money to equip himself, however this is not happening, then Wartale needs to find an alternative to get the money that he'd with these new players, so what he do ? He release some useless items, like 116, to make people upgrade their old 115 items 2 times to make it 120, in summary, most of times the alternative that Wartale finds isn't good for us, old players. And that's just a part of the problem, would take too much time to write the whole thing.

it is true but the problem is money. I dont think any game include rpt can stay for life, one day they will die... But in that day the owner of the server will not care anything about his players his server his game because he gets enuf money after running the game for 5-6 years. He must have had many other plans to earn money for himself in that 5-6 years...

 

[Quant 0]

lol, want to start again with ur lame post

 

Remember diablo 2? Most items was sold on ebay rather than ingame, Wartale has made a smart move (Even Wartale said that it would go underground), and able to collect donation to keep maintaining the server, rather letting it go privately.

 

Why do you all so care, that it needs to be body of work etc, coz you jealous or wat? Why don't people complain about Buying & Selling Accounts, its more absurd, because the actual account from 0- 130 level wasn't trained/ owned/ contributed by themselves at "ALL", exp service is just adding experience on "TOP" of your previous experience, hey if I make 1 experience in the account, that's contribution.

 

If the price you suggesting, come on with a "reasonable" price and see how much people on this server would agree with you.

 

I want to rephrase again:

 

-The claim came up "Well exp service destroys PT.". This point is simply nonsense, you of your own free will are engaging in an activity the server clearly states nothing about exp service or training for people. You know there are no consequences in advance and so there is reason for you to be surprised when people jealous about who train for you and who doesn't. Hacking program offers, bots, trading for real money and other kinds of under the table stuff are out there, should we just legalize exp service for the sake of donation to Wartale. That would simply be smart solution 8)

 

 

-Most games don't even allow you to go as far as buying actual good gear. Exp service is simply too far.

 

-At some point a character should be your own body of work, if you didn't level it or hunt for the gear what exactly did you do? You can donate for levels, but it comes at a much higher price and most importantly of all, it is limited. You don't see donations for levels past 125 because that is where exp starts to get hard and where it should be your own work. People are willing to forgive the server for letting them skip the easy levels, so long as they do the hard ones themselves.

 

-The claim came up "Well then it creates scams, etc.". This point is simply nonsense, you of your own free will are engaging in an activity the server clearly states they do not support. You know the consequences in advance and so there is no reason for you to be surprised when things don't go your way. Hacking program offers, bots, trading for real money and other kinds of under the table stuff are out there, should we just legalize those to prevent them from scamming people? That would simply be insanity.

[Ryoko 0]

ohkito" post="390479" timestamp="1322626331"]

We have many ways to fix this, somethings very easy to be done, so, get a raise at places to train level, more exp maps spawns or wherever else. And see if will be necessary disable the EXP Services.

Maybe not increase the spawms, maybe decrease them and increase monsters HP AND exp, more people will be needed to kill, but analyzing the gain per hour of exp it would stay the same as it's now. FS, archers pikes and these class that aren't good mass killers would have more value in the party. This was suggested like thousand times, and it's easy to do.

People could still hire exp service, but would be a little more difficult for them to level.

 

I'll stop posting about this shit. I think Wartale have something good in his mind to solve this problem, and I've efforted enough trying to make irrational people understand something irracional.

[Quant 0]

ohkito link=topic=61973.msg390479#msg390479 date=1322626331]

We have many ways to fix this, somethings very easy to be done, so, get a raise at places to train level, more exp maps spawns or wherever else. And see if will be necessary disable the EXP Services.

Maybe not increase the spawms, maybe decrease them and increase monsters HP AND exp, more people will be needed to kill, but analyzing the gain per hour of exp it would stay the same as it's now. FS, archers pikes and these class that aren't good mass killers would have more value in the party. This was suggested like thousand times, and it's easy to do.

People could still hire exp service, but would be a little more difficult for them to level.

 

From what I read all your comments, you just want to make it more "difficult" for them to train

 

That is just plain selfish

[srekcusybdetum 0]

I think I'm not making myself clear enough

 

"People can't play, what's wrong if we play for them?"

 

They CAN'T PLAY

So they just DON'T FUCKING PLAY

 

What's the point playing online in a constant competition, with rankings and such, if the ones being on top didn't do anything to deserve that?

 

Please don't start the bullshit of "they paid for it"

Can you be a better football player than others with your money? No, you can't. You can be better equipped than others with money, that's pretty fair.

 

That's how it feels to who REALLY play the game

[Ryoko 0]

I think I'm not making myself clear enough

 

"People can't play, what's wrong if we play for them?"

 

They CAN'T PLAY

So they just DON'T fruitING PLAY

 

What's the point playing online in a constant competition, with rankings and such, if the ones being on top didn't do anything to deserve that?

 

Please don't start the bullshit of "they paid for it"

Can you be a better football player than others with your money? No, you can't. You can be better equipped than others with money, that's pretty fair.

 

That's how it feels to who REALLY play the game

You said it all

[[D]ohkito 2]

ohkito link=topic=61973.msg390479#msg390479 date=1322626331]

We have many ways to fix this, somethings very easy to be done, so, get a raise at places to train level, more exp maps spawns or wherever else. And see if will be necessary disable the EXP Services.

Maybe not increase the spawms, maybe decrease them and increase monsters HP AND exp, more people will be needed to kill, but analyzing the gain per hour of exp it would stay the same as it's now. FS, archers pikes and these class that aren't good mass killers would have more value in the party. This was suggested like thousand times, and it's easy to do.

People could still hire exp service, but would be a little more difficult for them to level.

 

I'll stop posting about this shit. I think Wartale have something good in his mind to solve this problem, and I've efforted enough trying to make irrational people understand something irracional.

 

I personally don't like of this way to fix. Since when FS gain value in a party, I lost mine (as magician)  and someone as PRS too, and we won't kill like he at PvP maps.

But, do you wanna know ? I don't care, if this is the better way to fix this damn situation for the most of the players I won't care about nerf in spawns, therefore a nerf in massive killers power.

 

It's a big issue and and someone will have to do concessions and I don't care if will be me.If the both sides try to get a consensus will be great ( buuut, I don't believe than this gonna happen.) Just help to fix it, players, 'cause you are the only who are affected by hard to find a place to up. DO SUGGESTIONS !

[Quant 0]

I'm sorry, but this world isn't perfect

 

You see more inequality in the world than in game, and you should be happy about it

 

People pay other students/adults to do there University assignments and get good marks

 

Where as you did you "own" assignment with pain and effort

 

I've experience that before, so what? What the University will do anyway?

 

No evidence blah blah

 

Stop complaining about equality, how about rich & poor, you born in rich family, born in poor family? You ask god for equality?

 

Whatever