We need to talk about Virtual Machine in Boss

[neinhalt 112]

24 ppl that care about the game vs 576 bots fair discussion

 

Enjoy Botale

Edited Thursday at 12:28 PM by neinhalt

[Support 5,033]

Hello,

 

We appreciate the feedback and contributions made toward enhancing the gaming experience on the server. The issue in question is well recognized and has been the subject of multiple discussions aimed at identifying an effective resolution. However, it is not a matter that can be addressed immediately. Implementing punitive measures against individuals for using a virtual machine is not the preferred course of action, as there are legitimate reasons for its use. The primary focus remains on prevention, which necessitates careful consideration and time to establish a robust solution. It is important to emphasize that concerns are acknowledged and taken seriously, and they are not being disregarded.

 

Best Regards,

Support Team

[ik3r 1,005]

29 minutes ago, Support said:

Hello,

 

We appreciate the feedback and contributions made toward enhancing the gaming experience on the server. The issue in question is well recognized and has been the subject of multiple discussions aimed at identifying an effective resolution. However, it is not a matter that can be addressed immediately. Implementing punitive measures against individuals for using a virtual machine is not the preferred course of action, as there are legitimate reasons for its use. The primary focus remains on prevention, which necessitates careful consideration and time to establish a robust solution. It is important to emphasize that concerns are acknowledged and taken seriously, and they are not being disregarded.

 

Best Regards,

Support Team

 

What you think about remove boss spaw until fix it?

 

[ainih 36]

1 hour ago, ik3r said:

 

What you think about remove boss spaw until fix it?

 

Seems reasonable

[japakk 136]

Why is VM allowed after all? What’s the point? Can someone explain it to me? 

[Support 5,033]

Hello,

 

1 hour ago, japakk said:

Why is VM allowed after all?

Please note that not everyone is using Windows PC to play game.

 

Best Regards,

 

Support Team

[TadsK 220]

12 hours ago, Support said:

Hello,

 

We appreciate the feedback and contributions made toward enhancing the gaming experience on the server. The issue in question is well recognized and has been the subject of multiple discussions aimed at identifying an effective resolution. However, it is not a matter that can be addressed immediately. Implementing punitive measures against individuals for using a virtual machine is not the preferred course of action, as there are legitimate reasons for its use. The primary focus remains on prevention, which necessitates careful consideration and time to establish a robust solution. It is important to emphasize that concerns are acknowledged and taken seriously, and they are not being disregarded.

 

Best Regards,

Support Team

 

Just to clarify, VM use is not really allowed freely.

 

As per the The Wartale Rulebook, especially item 11 on Rules of Conduct - Game.

 

 

Also, as per Senpai's posts in this 2022 forum thread.

 

Which, if I'm not mistaken, was followed by updates that "blocked" some VM usage, except with permission, as the updated game rules.

Apparently, there are new technologies/forms of "virtual machine" that is currently not being blocked the same way and might be used by some people today.

 

Spoiler

 

This is a sensitive topic.

I mostly use 3 computers to play the game, sometimes 1 or 2 pcs just have stores open and I only play on a single pc. If I feel like doing a little extra effort I will go to HG or some bosses with 2 pcs to have double the chances, but I get easily annoyed by having to use 2 keyboard/mouse at the same time, so I don't really bother most of the time.

 

But, trying to control more than 2 computers with separate mouses/keyboards is a nightmare. I can easily do a bee cave dungeon controlling 6 accounts on the same pc, though. So I guess if people manage to achieve the same or similar type of control that you can with just alt+tab between games when having 6 screens open in a single monitor and still roll on bosses/HG, it could be considered an unfair advantage to people that can't.

 

Now, this is where things get complicated.

I have 3 computers to play the game, do I have an unfair advantage on people that only have 1 pc? Is the server suppose to control how many computers you are allowed to have as well? Or the configuration of your computer if you have more fps than other people?

 

Like Support said, some people have different uses for VMs, and not everyone uses Windows daily. Some people have Mac or Linux systems and just want to be able to play the game in those machines without having to buy a new dedicated computer for that.

 

I feel like some of the actions of the staff have limited the use of such systems, but some people just find different ways of making it work for them.

To be fair, my 14x characters sometimes don't even roll when I'm constantly hitting and actively playing/potting in some bosses, so if people somehow manage to control 6 characters, play full vit and still roll, congrats to them lol

 

I guess what I'm saying is, as long as these people are actually going through all this effort to move and control 6 accounts manually, and this is something that other players can also have access to (like everyone having the ability to buy multiple computers if they can afford and want to), I don't think this is that illegal/bad.

 

Now, that being said, if you tell me that every boss can (and maybe will) be multiple people with 6+ accounts, semi-afk, shift-clicked with full vit just to have extra chances for drops so they can sell, and sometimes not even to use and improve in the game through the in-game market (let's not pretend black market is not a thing), I don't think this is a good or the intended design of the game and it should really be changed.

 

[trindamg2 39]

14 hours ago, Support said:

Hello,

 

We appreciate the feedback and contributions made toward enhancing the gaming experience on the server. The issue in question is well recognized and has been the subject of multiple discussions aimed at identifying an effective resolution. However, it is not a matter that can be addressed immediately. Implementing punitive measures against individuals for using a virtual machine is not the preferred course of action, as there are legitimate reasons for its use. The primary focus remains on prevention, which necessitates careful consideration and time to establish a robust solution. It is important to emphasize that concerns are acknowledged and taken seriously, and they are not being disregarded.

 

Best Regards,

Support Team

"as there are legitimate reasons for its use."

Are u kidding me?!

 

Playing 6 or more accounts to get boss item drops!?!?!?!

It makes no sense to play with 1 account if people can play with more than 2/3/4/5/6

The use of virtual machine must be prohibited.

Take the case i sent, see how many relics the accounts dropped in a shot period of time

[neinhalt 112]

34 minutes ago, trindamg2 said:

"as there are legitimate reasons for its use."

Are u kidding me?!

 

Playing 6 or more accounts to get boss item drops!?!?!?!

It makes no sense to play with 1 account if people can play with more than 2/3/4/5/6

The use of virtual machine must be prohibited.

Take the case i sent, see how many relics the accounts dropped in a shot period of time

Whats next bend over????? Cant believe It....where Is @Senpai cutting heads like he used to do it??

Edited Saturday at 12:28 PM by neinhalt

[Support 5,033]

9 hours ago, trindamg2 said:

Are u kidding me?!

No

[Kyubey 93]

11 hours ago, trindamg2 said:

Playing 6 or more accounts to get boss item drops!?!?!?!

One player is now using 9 accounts 

[Rhapsy 8]

1 hour ago, Kyubey said:

One player is now using 9 accounts 

Simple fix... Relic pieces are untradeable.  But completed relics are  If they aren't going to do the easy way and ban virtual machines then you find ways to discourage it.

Edited yesterday at 12:46 AM by Rhapsy

[jordanv 28]

22 hours ago, TadsK said:

 

Just to clarify, VM use is not really allowed freely.

 

As per the The Wartale Rulebook, especially item 11 on Rules of Conduct - Game.

 

 

Also, as per Senpai's posts in this 2022 forum thread.

 

Which, if I'm not mistaken, was followed by updates that "blocked" some VM usage, except with permission, as the updated game rules.

Apparently, there are new technologies/forms of "virtual machine" that is currently not being blocked the same way and might be used by some people today.

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

This is a sensitive topic.

I mostly use 3 computers to play the game, sometimes 1 or 2 pcs just have stores open and I only play on a single pc. If I feel like doing a little extra effort I will go to HG or some bosses with 2 pcs to have double the chances, but I get easily annoyed by having to use 2 keyboard/mouse at the same time, so I don't really bother most of the time.

 

But, trying to control more than 2 computers with separate mouses/keyboards is a nightmare. I can easily do a bee cave dungeon controlling 6 accounts on the same pc, though. So I guess if people manage to achieve the same or similar type of control that you can with just alt+tab between games when having 6 screens open in a single monitor and still roll on bosses/HG, it could be considered an unfair advantage to people that can't.

 

Now, this is where things get complicated.

I have 3 computers to play the game, do I have an unfair advantage on people that only have 1 pc? Is the server suppose to control how many computers you are allowed to have as well? Or the configuration of your computer if you have more fps than other people?

 

Like Support said, some people have different uses for VMs, and not everyone uses Windows daily. Some people have Mac or Linux systems and just want to be able to play the game in those machines without having to buy a new dedicated computer for that.

 

I feel like some of the actions of the staff have limited the use of such systems, but some people just find different ways of making it work for them.

To be fair, my 14x characters sometimes don't even roll when I'm constantly hitting and actively playing/potting in some bosses, so if people somehow manage to control 6 characters, play full vit and still roll, congrats to them lol

 

I guess what I'm saying is, as long as these people are actually going through all this effort to move and control 6 accounts manually, and this is something that other players can also have access to (like everyone having the ability to buy multiple computers if they can afford and want to), I don't think this is that illegal/bad.

 

Now, that being said, if you tell me that every boss can (and maybe will) be multiple people with 6+ accounts, semi-afk, shift-clicked with full vit just to have extra chances for drops so they can sell, and sometimes not even to use and improve in the game through the in-game market (let's not pretend black market is not a thing), I don't think this is a good or the intended design of the game and it should really be changed.

 

If allowed please make a post on how to use VM and use multiple accounts.

I will not compete with boss roll.

I just want to do hellsgate with multiple accounts without having to run 2 separate PC.

Or simply remove the limitation on hellsgate entry. 

It certainly makes no sense why some people are able to do so and others are not. 

[Kyubey 93]

3 hours ago, jordanv said:

If allowed please make a post on how to use VM and use multiple accounts.

 

+

 

3 hours ago, jordanv said:

It certainly makes no sense why some people are able to do so and others are not. 

exactly

[Shorex 235]

How about 1 roll per IP address?

[jordanv 28]

On 11/22/2025 at 2:52 AM, TadsK said:

 

Just to clarify, VM use is not really allowed freely.

 

As per the The Wartale Rulebook, especially item 11 on Rules of Conduct - Game.

 

 

Also, as per Senpai's posts in this 2022 forum thread.

 

Which, if I'm not mistaken, was followed by updates that "blocked" some VM usage, except with permission, as the updated game rules.

Apparently, there are new technologies/forms of "virtual machine" that is currently not being blocked the same way and might be used by some people today.

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

This is a sensitive topic.

I mostly use 3 computers to play the game, sometimes 1 or 2 pcs just have stores open and I only play on a single pc. If I feel like doing a little extra effort I will go to HG or some bosses with 2 pcs to have double the chances, but I get easily annoyed by having to use 2 keyboard/mouse at the same time, so I don't really bother most of the time.

 

But, trying to control more than 2 computers with separate mouses/keyboards is a nightmare. I can easily do a bee cave dungeon controlling 6 accounts on the same pc, though. So I guess if people manage to achieve the same or similar type of control that you can with just alt+tab between games when having 6 screens open in a single monitor and still roll on bosses/HG, it could be considered an unfair advantage to people that can't.

 

Now, this is where things get complicated.

I have 3 computers to play the game, do I have an unfair advantage on people that only have 1 pc? Is the server suppose to control how many computers you are allowed to have as well? Or the configuration of your computer if you have more fps than other people?

 

Like Support said, some people have different uses for VMs, and not everyone uses Windows daily. Some people have Mac or Linux systems and just want to be able to play the game in those machines without having to buy a new dedicated computer for that.

 

I feel like some of the actions of the staff have limited the use of such systems, but some people just find different ways of making it work for them.

To be fair, my 14x characters sometimes don't even roll when I'm constantly hitting and actively playing/potting in some bosses, so if people somehow manage to control 6 characters, play full vit and still roll, congrats to them lol

 

I guess what I'm saying is, as long as these people are actually going through all this effort to move and control 6 accounts manually, and this is something that other players can also have access to (like everyone having the ability to buy multiple computers if they can afford and want to), I don't think this is that illegal/bad.

 

Now, that being said, if you tell me that every boss can (and maybe will) be multiple people with 6+ accounts, semi-afk, shift-clicked with full vit just to have extra chances for drops so they can sell, and sometimes not even to use and improve in the game through the in-game market (let's not pretend black market is not a thing), I don't think this is a good or the intended design of the game and it should really be changed.

 

I agree.  If it is allowed please make a post to show us all how to log multiple accounts.

Forget about boss loots.

I just want to do multiple HG without having to use 2 separate PC. 

 

*edit*

 Otherwise just make VM legal.

We can research how to use it on our own but dont "auto ban" us when we use it.

No one wants to put a post for request for unbanned when its a grey area where others are abusing VM and are entirely fine.  But then the people trying to figure out how it works you guys automatically ban us and say its part of the "rules". 

Such hypocrisy. 

[TadsK 220]

5 hours ago, Shorex said:

How about 1 roll per IP address?

That was tested in other Wartales.

 

The problem is that if you have multiple people on the same house, or lan, or using the same VPN like ExitLag, now only 1 person can roll. It didn’t work really well and they changed back.

 

And if people really want to and they use virtual machines, they can connect each machine to a different VPN server to go around that.

[Name 0]

@TadsK

If a member deals Dmg >5% of HP, the whole party get to Roll.
If the whole party deads Dmg 20% of HP, but no one deals >5%, the whole party get no Roll.
That was in the past, not sure change or not. (just for your info, because you said you hit and no Roll)
The % has been reduced in some updates, so it should be easier now. 

(So if you can virtual-machine-boss farming, by 6 accounts party yourself, only 1 do enough Dmg, your other 5 mules can Roll, I believe that's how it works? Haven't gone to Boss for a long time)

 

One of the valid reason for VM is, if you don't trust Wartale, because always detect Malwares and quarantined. So if you are scared, that's one of the reason to. Though most of us trust Wartale, because we have been playing here since day 1. 

 

2021~2023 around, they enforced rules, they got this "anti-macro campaign", GMs take turns patrolling (Support patrol on VN time, L patrol on BR time, I think), they hurt the most are the casual macro-ers, because casuals are the ones leaving the computers to do household stuff or other things. (GM collect evidence to punish you by asking you Hello) While the RMT-ers are smarter and vigilant, because they are servicing customer's accounts, not theirs, the chance they get caught compare to casuals is like none. So GM enforcing rules usually end-up hurting the casuals, but not the RMT.
 

@jordanv  you know this game very well, lmao.

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others are abusing VM and are entirely fine.  But then the people trying to figure out how it works you guys automatically ban us

That's how they work, kinda like trial and error, when some issues come up, if you are starting to learn and abuse, you are gonna get punished.

But the long-time abusers suddenly stopped abusing, or doing some extra protection steps to protect themselves, so GM cannot secure the evidence, they don't get punished. 

So like I said, just like the "anti-macro campaign", they gonna again hurt the casuals, not the long-time abusers. 

 

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Such hypocrisy. 

I would say incompetence, not really hypocrisy. 

They are doing their jobs, but from your perspective, they always ended up punishing the lesser evil, but not the bigger evil. 

 

You guys should screenshot the names, so people like me who are not updated on this vm-bossing methods, can go Boss and see for ourselves.

But they are gonna change their names on Black Friday, lol. 
Probably because EB no longer as profitable, because 144/146 dropped in value, so they invented this vm-bossing farming?

 

I don't care though, where's the update? Game so boring, nobody wants to login. 
 

Also @TadsK controlling multi-accounts is a must, you can argue in 2018 that's "hardwork", but 2025 no. New players, are forced to learn multi-accounts controlling. You cannot up a ps, or as, or ata, solo. Unless you donate 15x then, obviously you can find lots of 15x friends, so you don't have to solo multi-accounts. 
 

 

[Kyubey 93]

1 hour ago, Name said:

You guys should screenshot the names, so people like me who are not updated on this vm-bossing methods, can go Boss and see for ourselves.

 

i can give you 9 names from the same player

and probably 6 mores