which is better for pure AS ?

[arcodin 0]

Thales BSM / Gaia BSM is best.

 

Reasons:

 

- In my experience, HP/blk is more important that abs/def for archers, because of high evade and block with Thales+shield combo, if you can survive 2 hits because of high hp you can survive to pot and still have high damage output from pure agility.

 

Secondly, regarding summer suit (2% blk), I've tested it and here are my conclusions:

 

10 pshots  (without summer) ~10.0 sec || 10 pshots (with summer) ~9.80 sec

1 avalanche (without summer) ~ 3.9 sec || 1 avalanche (with summer) ~ 3.8 sec

 

all test with 136 bow.

 

As you can see an extremely low reduction of skill time.... In my opinion it isn't worth the reduction of %blk, abs and HP from Thales or Gaia BSM.

 

If you have a critical summer clothes... that's a different story I havent tested it yet, because I dont have one .

 

Another test I've done, is survivability based on +20 dark gaia vs BSM dark gaia.

 

Char lvl: 136 AS with +20 gaia => average 5-6 pshots from 140 (tested 30 times) without pot.

Char lvl: 136 AS with BSM gaia => average 7-9 pshots from 140 (tested 30 times) without pot.

 

We can clearly see that the HP add, may allow you to survive additional attack (ie. if 2 pshots kills you with +20 gaia, the 90HP add from BSM gaia might allow you to survive 2 pshots and still have hp to pot).

 

For more clarification, here's an example.

 

with +20 gaia

 

AS HP: 800

AS DAMAGE TAKEN per PSHOT: - 410 hp

 

with BSM gaia

 

AS HP: 880

AS DAMAGE TAKEN per PSHOT: - 430 hp

 

as you can see although with BSM gaia you have less absorb, it all ALLOWS you to survive 2 pshots! AND cannot with +20 gaia even if absorb is higher.

 

BTW from data I've collected:

 

Split Javelin Skill can take between 1500-1700 hp damage from 140 ata pure agi, if you have HP higher than this you survive split jav and pot before vengeance kills you. Tested =).

 

Shadow Mastery+vanish+critical eye, full combo, 100% hit, can take between 1400-2200 hp damage. Very unlike to kill you because of high evasion/blk.

 

Charging Strike+vanish+critical eye, full combo, 100% hit 1500-2500 hp damage. Very unlike to kill you because of high evasion/blk.

 

Jumping Crash+vanish+critical eye, 1700-2100 hp damage.

 

Destroyer full combo, 100% hit 1500-2300 hp damage. Very unlike to kill you because of high evasion/blk.

[dangthien 0]

Super detailed information .

 

That's why I always argue with people that 80 HP BSM is the best choice for pure class... 10-15 addition abs cannot compare to 80 HP it bring in PvP. You must take around 5 hit at least so that the 15 addition Abs can be worth 80 HP.

 

And we can see that all killer skill have insane damage that can instant kill AS if hit 2 (CS, DT and Split hit 2 times are enough to kill AS) so Dark Gaia or Summer BSM still the best for survival in BC.

 

The weirdest thing is that the Attack speed affect AS so little, or may be it doesn't since the time different may come from error while testing. My Knight GC have have a good increase attack speed when wear summer Armor. 10 Hit GC are done with Summer Armor while 12-13 hit are done with normal armor.

[arcodin 0]

Super detailed information .

 

That's why I always argue with people that 80 HP BSM is the best choice for pure class... 10-15 addition abs cannot compare to 80 HP it bring in PvP. You must take around 5 hit at least so that the 15 addition Abs can be worth 80 HP.

 

And we can see that all killer skill have insane damage that can instant kill AS if hit 2 (CS, DT and Split hit 2 times are enough to kill AS) so Dark Gaia or Summer BSM still the best for survival in BC.

 

The weirdest thing is that the Attack speed affect AS so little, or may be it doesn't since the time different may come from error while testing. My Knight GC have have a good increase attack speed when wear summer Armor. 10 Hit GC are done with Summer Armor while 12-13 hit are done with normal armor.

 

+1

 

btw did you mean 10 hits with normal armor  while same time can get 12-13 hits with summer?

[Poteten 0]

^ nice work alex, bsm ftw !

[dangthien 0]

Super detailed information .

 

That's why I always argue with people that 80 HP BSM is the best choice for pure class... 10-15 addition abs cannot compare to 80 HP it bring in PvP. You must take around 5 hit at least so that the 15 addition Abs can be worth 80 HP.

 

And we can see that all killer skill have insane damage that can instant kill AS if hit 2 (CS, DT and Split hit 2 times are enough to kill AS) so Dark Gaia or Summer BSM still the best for survival in BC.

 

The weirdest thing is that the Attack speed affect AS so little, or may be it doesn't since the time different may come from error while testing. My Knight GC have have a good increase attack speed when wear summer Armor. 10 Hit GC are done with Summer Armor while 12-13 hit are done with normal armor.

 

+1

 

btw did you mean 10 hits with normal armor  while same time can get 12-13 hits with summer?

 

Yeah, wrong typing there. 10 hits with normal armor while 12-13 hits with summer.

 

I don't have AS to test but most AS I know do use summer and they said the effect is quite clear. Even my prs's Ice Meteor do show significant increase speed.

[Rhyax 0]

For PvP you need:

HP, Block/evade, dmg, crit

defence and absorb dosnt help much in pvp cuz everyone's dmg is high enough to break your abs... :'(

also archer can reach more than 60% evade plus ~30% block almost every split jav misses, but if it hits 3 times you're dead

[dangthien 0]

For PvP you need:

HP, Block/evade, dmg, crit

defence and absorb dosnt help much in pvp cuz everyone's dmg is high enough to break your abs... :'(

also archer can reach more than 60% evade plus ~30% block almost every split jav misses, but if it hits 3 times you're dead

 

You still haven't explained why you call Summer Armor suck on AS . If you know HP, Block/evade are important, why did you say that ?

[Rhyax 0]

Because PhShot relies on Chraging speed reduction, not on atk speed. It also gain bonus from atk speed but it's really negligible. When using summer suit you sacrifice block which is important in PvP.

take a look at Alex's tests:

10 pshots  (without summer) ~10.0 sec || 10 pshots (with summer) ~9.80 sec

1 avalanche (without summer) ~ 3.9 sec || 1 avalanche (with summer) ~ 3.8 sec

I hope this explains everything related with Summer suit on archer

[dangthien 0]

Because PhShot relies on Chraging speed reduction, not on atk speed. It also gain bonus from atk speed but it's really negligible. When using summer suit you sacrifice block which is important in PvP.

take a look at Alex's tests:

10 pshots  (without summer) ~10.0 sec || 10 pshots (with summer) ~9.80 sec

1 avalanche (without summer) ~ 3.9 sec || 1 avalanche (with summer) ~ 3.8 sec

I hope this explains everything related with Summer suit on archer

 

No, Phoenix shot does not relies on Charging speed reduction, especially in PvP.

 

The charge in Phoenix shot is so that the shot becomes an AoE linear attack. But an AoE attack cannot crit (except Peforation is the only exception I know) and charging does not increase the shot damage so only noob AS charge the shot in 1x1. PvP archer never Charge Phoenix shot, they just fire it. I don't know Alex test it with charge or without charge but no AS use charge Phoenix Shot in PvP.

 

Read the skill carefully and play the class before claiming anything.

[arcodin 0]

Because PhShot relies on Chraging speed reduction, not on atk speed. It also gain bonus from atk speed but it's really negligible. When using summer suit you sacrifice block which is important in PvP.

take a look at Alex's tests:

10 pshots  (without summer) ~10.0 sec || 10 pshots (with summer) ~9.80 sec

1 avalanche (without summer) ~ 3.9 sec || 1 avalanche (with summer) ~ 3.8 sec

I hope this explains everything related with Summer suit on archer

 

No, Phoenix shot does not relies on Charging speed reduction, especially in PvP.

 

The charge in Phoenix shot is so that the shot becomes an AoE linear attack. But an AoE attack cannot crit (except Peforation is the only exception I know) and charging does not increase the shot damage so only noob AS charge the shot in 1x1. PvP archer never Charge Phoenix shot, they just fire it. I don't know Alex test it with charge or without charge but no AS use charge Phoenix Shot in PvP.

 

Read the skill carefully and play the class before claiming anything.

 

I didnt charge the Pshots in the tests I did, but that is interesting point. I wonder if attack speed makes a difference when charging pshot - will have to test it . But honestly ALMOST no archer use the AOE pshot... takes too long, low damage, no way you can kite with it - might as well use perforation. Pshot best/worst skill for archer lol, although it looks cool when charged.

 

Summer armor is not useful for AS, because I believe the negligible gain in attack speed is not worth the blk/abs/HP sacrifice from better armors. Only positive gain I see, is the added running speed bonus...but even with that might as well use soccer shirt which practically outruns attack so no need for that 2% blk add in summer. I really would like to analyze summer armor(crit) though, I think that might be significantly better.

 

I need more AS data.

 

But here's something to consider - in old ept, you guys remember the Titan Bow vs Chaos Bow dilemma?

 

7x Chaos bow - super strong with weapon speed 7

6x Titan bow - good weapon with weapon speed 8

 

I remember when using avalanche with Chaos bow vs avalanche with titan bow - BIG difference in animation speed. You can clearly distinguish the speed there.

[dangthien 0]

I'm sure the Avalance work with Attack speed. All the AS in my clan confirmed that they noticed big different between 8 and 9 attack speed. Only for Phoenix Shot that I don't have a reliable source. The AS in my Clan don't have set boss so they cannot fire too many PS to test for me so I ask some of AS I know and they claim the speed does affect PShot. I will try asking top AS in HG score and post the result in here later.

[Rhyax 0]

Because PhShot relies on Chraging speed reduction, not on atk speed. It also gain bonus from atk speed but it's really negligible. When using summer suit you sacrifice block which is important in PvP.

take a look at Alex's tests:

10 pshots  (without summer) ~10.0 sec || 10 pshots (with summer) ~9.80 sec

1 avalanche (without summer) ~ 3.9 sec || 1 avalanche (with summer) ~ 3.8 sec

I hope this explains everything related with Summer suit on archer

 

No, Phoenix shot does not relies on Charging speed reduction, especially in PvP.

 

The charge in Phoenix shot is so that the shot becomes an AoE linear attack. But an AoE attack cannot crit (except Peforation is the only exception I know) and charging does not increase the shot damage so only noob AS charge the shot in 1x1. PvP archer never Charge Phoenix shot, they just fire it. I don't know Alex test it with charge or without charge but no AS use charge Phoenix Shot in PvP.

 

Read the skill carefully and play the class before claiming anything.

im not talking for the full charge. The animation is just faster. Do you even have archer?

[dangthien 0]

What have you been talking about ? The charge reduction in Phoenix shot means that the time to reach full charge is reduced. If what you told me is not that charge reduction then what else it can be ? Normal Phoenix Shot just fire straight right ?

[Rhyax 0]

charging time reduction also affect the animation of the skill. Try it with lvl 1 PS and lvl 10PS, it's faster.

[fumemo20 0]

what is the best mix for summer clother as ?

 

10 sol = 100HP and 17 abs and 4 element def +17

or

5sol = 500def , 9abs , mp 170

 

best is ? ;s