T5 Stone Spike

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I dont know about IC but my exp is:

 

My Mage Lv110 need ALOT ALOT ALOT of Mana Pots to tank MD3 (With Phantom Robe +8, and other stuffs, all mixed and bla bla bla) but he can tank just fine. He have 750 HP with 180 Health.

 

My Priest Lv111 dont need to spend mana, just a few HP pots here and there, she's using a 110 Robe Belum Mix, Phoenix set Inferna/Enigma Mix and stuffs. She have 1900 de HP with 200 Health and VL. More ABS and Defense then Mage.

 

The diference betwen priest and mage tanking is: Mage needs to use Mana Pots and Priest need to use Health Pots, they lose the same proportion of MP/HP, you think a tanker have to lose no Health? Thats not a concept, the tank have to survive for more then 5 secs without use any resurce if no he's own spells.

 

With my mage I've to use MP pot every 2~3secs on MD3, with my priest I've to use HP pot every 6~7secs, I dont know you, but I think the priest is tanking better than mage. And ow, I forgot, when you're killing on Hunt Maps, if you are Mage, you take 1 hit and lose 700 Mana and 200~300 HP and I've 750 HP, with priest I lose 400~500 HP and I've 1900 HP(Endless Tower 1), I dont know you, but math is here and: 200~300 (Med: 250) of 750 I can tanke 3 hits, and 400~500 (450) I can take 4 Hits, 5 to get killed.

 

But AGAIN: Nerf on PVP and HUNT MAPS YESSSS!!! But dont fruit on EXPING and SOD. Thanks!

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So the problem is that mages waste mana?

 

That's a problem, really. Because there's no way to refil mana. OH WAIT THERE DROPS TONS OF MANA POTS! Yes, that's right! Those blue things on floor, they are mana pots! And there's always AGONY!!

 

Nothing changes the ONE THING people are here to complain: Stone Spike is stupidly OVERPOWERED. In every single aspect.

 

lol at AGONY - anyway,whats you're problem with stone spike AOE damage.. they are not overpowered,you don't even use mage and you judge them like you live with them since day 1

you talk about AOE,you think without stone spikes mages can compete agains't pri in ad3? in this aspect we're talking about stone spikes - dont bring any other aspects like how mages have DISTO,ES and other stuff - like my friend RAWAND said, it was promised years ago that stonespikes will over power pri's ice meteorite, learn your history

[khanxx 0]

So the problem is that mages waste mana?

 

That's a problem, really. Because there's no way to refil mana. OH WAIT THERE DROPS TONS OF MANA POTS! Yes, that's right! Those blue things on floor, they are mana pots! And there's always AGONY!!

 

Nothing changes the ONE THING people are here to complain: Stone Spike is stupidly OVERPOWERED. In every single aspect.

 

SRSLY? SRSLY? YOU KNOW HOW TO READ? YOU HAVE A MAGE? YOU HAVE A PRIEST?

 

Mana isnt a problem, I'm talking about who can and who cant tank. You're mage? I dont think so, go to MD3 with a 110 Mage with 106~110 gear and try to stay alive for more than a few seconds without using any mana pots, YOU DIE. You know how many mana pots you need to level as a mage every 10s? I dont think so, cuz when you're geting hit by 15~20 monters your mana is like this: 00:00 3500 - 00:02 500, when I was Lv106 trying to level up in Mystery Desert maps I can use 2~3 spells then I've to use a mana pot, cuz if my mana go to 0, I die in 1 second. Guess what? Priest dont! She can stay put, use a chill spell, deal damage to everyone on Prieston Tale Continent then she use a HP Pot, then she can use 4~5 Ice Meteorites and maybe another pot.

 

When you're mage and go to some maps some times you have to: Use Stone Spike 1 Mana Pot, 1 Stone Spike 1 Mana Pot 1 Stone Spike 1 Mana Pot. Thats a real fact.

When you're priest and you go to the same maps you have to: Use Ice Meteorite, Ice Meteorite, Ice Meteorite, HP Pot, Ice Meteorite, Ice Meteorite, Ice Meteorite, HP Pot and thats another real fact. Try tank with a mage with the SAME GEAR and SAME STAT POINTS, YOU WILL DIE IN 2 SECS WITHOUT ENERGY SHIELD AND WITHOUT MANA. Just try, I'm talking about it cuz I've tested.

 

My priest, with almost the same gear (almost the same defense and abs, block and Health Points) she can stay alive for alots of seconds without poting, my mage dont, cuz mage have half or less HP than priest, and I dont know, but mage without Energy Shield looks like he's naked '-'

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Because some people don't view other peoples perspectives - they judge chars at their peak,they dont look back on the starting point

 

sad truth for narrow minded people

[khanxx 0]

Because some people don't view other peoples perspectives - they judge chars at their peak,they dont look back on the starting point

 

sad truth for narrow minded people

 

Thats right!

 

I cant talk about: KS and PS cuz I never make one, but the other all I've played, or is mine or my friends.

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lol at AGONY - anyway,whats you're problem with stone spike AOE damage.. they are not overpowered,you don't even use mage and you judge them like you live with them since day 1

you talk about AOE,you think without stone spikes mages can compete agains't pri in ad3? in this aspect we're talking about stone spikes - dont bring any other aspects like how mages have DISTO,ES and other stuff - like my friend RAWAND said, it was promised years ago that stonespikes will over power pri's ice meteorite, learn your history

Please, do "lol" at mapa pots too. Or maybe you can't.

Yes it is overpowered. And I don't need to play a mage to say that. Or else all the complainments when pikes 1 shot everything, or when fighters were too fast with their axes, should be NEVER considered, because it was no pike/fighter player coming up with that. Right?

I judge anything I want. I'm not stupid to be locked on opinions about just one or two classes I play, because all the 8 ones we have now affects DIRECTLY the game of everyone else.

 

Mages compete with priestess in ad3? LOL that's quite ridiculous. Mages can, YES, do better than priestess on AD3, and we're talking about UNDEAD MONSTERS, so that means priestess hold a lot of extra power on that. But maybe you didn't notice yet, the game is not made of undead monsters only. Even the exp maps are not made of undead only. I'm talking about a game here, not a map, and even the map you brought as example won't prove your point.

 

The damage of a circle of spikes is 2-3 times higher than the damage of a meteor. In a close range, how many spike circles you got? THEY WILL ALL HIT THE TARGETS AROUND.

 

A duo of mages can get up to 200bi/h exp rate, no problem. Best thing you can get with a team os priestess on two spawns is what, a bit higher than 100b/h?

 

 

So, tell me, how can twice the already overpowered rate priestess have be not overpowered? A single char that can get 130b/h, 30% higher than a whole team that already makes it stupidly high, is normal?

 

 

Grow some balls. Be man enough to criticize the thing you play.

 

Like I said, learn your history. Stone spikes were meant to overpower ice meteorite - Grow some balls and stop whining

Grow some balls. Be man enough to criticize the thing you play.

Yes, I do think PVP/HUNT on stone spike is too strong since stone spikes were meant for AOE xp maps - if I were too selfish I would'nt mind critizing that

but no matter what stone spikes AOE is fine already, why do you fight so much for such a thing? Did a little mage made you cry?

do you want your char to have better skills?are you perhaps angry because your char has nothing else to gain?

 

Let me have this question - What are your basis that you think stone spikes are over powered as a AOE skill for XP MAP

I think stone spike are perfect, now that we have iron core

[khanxx 0]

You guys love to bring priestess to this, so let's do it.

 

Priestess can't do a shit on PvP. Mages actually, can.

Priestess can't hunt, unelss the monster is undead. Oh, mages can hunt better than that, a lot.

Priestess kick ass on exp. Mages do it too, and a lot better.

 

Where's your god now

 

Priest CAN SUPPORT on PvP (She's not made to kill)

Priest CAN HUNT ANYTHING she wants (she's not the best, but she can), and if is Undead, she's the best killer.

Priest now are not the only Gods on Exping maps.

 

Where's your god now?

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You guys love to bring priestess to this, so let's do it.

 

Priestess can't do a shit on PvP. Mages actually, can.

Priestess can't hunt, unelss the monster is undead. Oh, mages can hunt better than that, a lot.

Priestess kick ass on exp. Mages do it too, and a lot better.

 

Where's your god now

 

Mages COULD'NT hunt dude WTF are you saying?("COULDNT"/thats why i think stone spikes on hunt should be nerfed)

Mages COULD'NT pvp with deathray,maybe they can if it is against 11x vs 11x/12x vs 12x but at 13x vs 13x/14x/15x deathrays are like ant bites("COULDNT"/thats why i think stone spikes on pvp should be nerfed but truth be told i havent tried stone spikes on pvp)

since you were the one bringing up the priestess topic from the start about XP billion,billion whatever I just had to answer you with that topic. WTF I thought you were smarter than that. and ofc I had to bring "stone spikes were meant to overpower ice meteorite" because it was a given statement, and now you jsut whine around comparing those two chars

 

Priestess kick ass on exp. Mages do it too, and a lot better.

Im proud of that  : laughs*

 

Ohh and do you want some cheese to go with the whine?

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Yes, I do think PVP/HUNT on stone spike is too strong since stone spikes were meant for AOE xp maps - if I were too selfish I would'nt mind critizing that

but no matter what stone spikes AOE is fine already, why do you fight so much for such a thing? Did a little mage made you cry?

do you want your char to have better skills?are you perhaps angry because your char has nothing else to gain?

 

Let me have this question - What are your basis that you think stone spikes are over powered as a AOE skill for XP MAP

I think stone spike are perfect, now that we have iron core

Are you really going to bring it that low, saying I'm doing this for myself? HAHAHAHAHA I bet there are not even 10 members of this forum that criticized their own OP classes, and without any doubt I am one of those. So I just think about myself, eh?

 

So, to answer your question, what my basis are:

Let's consider the scene before the releasing of Stone Spike. Take priestess on exp. They're far ahead of any class regarding exp. FAR AHEAD. That's what I consider overpowered.

So, priestess, that are overpowered on that field, can team up on two spawns and come up with an exp rate that is a bit higher than 100b/h. 100b/h = OP exp of an OP team.

Now, Stone Spikes got released.

A single mage can raise this OP rate to 130b/h. One single character can beat the already OP TEAM on two spawns by 30%. Two mages can bring this rate up to 200b/h. That's two times the best rate available before, wich was already overpowered and made by a team on two spawns, not just a duo!

 

Two characters on one spawn that beat 3 characters on two spawns making it two times higher than them. Are you really going to tell me it's fine?

 

I can't believe im even discussing things with you -

have you ever been in an MMORPG game with equal footing?no matter what there will always be a char which is better at something(mage were meant to be better than pri at aoe to begin with)

I dont even know where you got that 200b/h, did you even tried that before posting shit on here?if you do for how long?30 minutes?

now that IC is open we have mage to use there, i read once before that it takes time to kill mobs there even with tanker and pries(i read this before on forum)

dont you think its fitting how iron core is open and mage with stone spikes

 

sigh,i cant believe Im even discussing this with you. This is a waste of time, Ill leave everything to the admins besides

at the end of the day they will be the ones to decide whatever they wanna do with the game, they're old and smart enough to look things on others perspectives

 

This'll be my last - cya and good luck on your stone spike over powered hating campaign

 

 

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I can't believe im even discussing things with you - naive

You, sir, is the one being naive here, pretending it's all fine.

 

have you ever been in an MMORPG game with equal footing?no matter what there will always be a char which is better at something

No, I've never been on such a game like that. And I need no lessons about this, the point that is always something that is the best on a field was never the subject of any question or complainment here, I thought you could read that well enough to know it.

 

I dont even know where you got that 200b/h, did you even tried that before posting shit on here?if you do for how long?30 minutes?

You have no idea, so how will you say it's wrong? Why will you bet about how or how long did I take to do my tests? Yes, this is a REAL INGAME RATE. I don't work with math, my methods and conclusions were always taken from practice.

 

now that IC is open we have mage to use there, i read once before that it takes time to kill mobs there even with tanker and pries(i read this before on forum)

dont you think its fitting how iron core is open and mage with stone spikes

So your basis are what you read somewhere? Interesting. Should try playing someday, and find stuff out by yourself. Mages need no tanker or healer to train anywhere (we're talking here about high maps, I don't care about complainments of MD or low stuff, you don't spend a week on those noob maps). Iron Core is not so different from what you find in AD2 or AD3. Mobs just hit harder, so nothing besides mechs and MAGES can stand there.

 

sigh,i cant believe Im even discussing this with you. This is a waste of time, Ill leave everything to the admins besides

at the end of the day they will be the ones to decide whatever they wanna do with the game, they're old and smart enough to look things on others perspectives

Yes, leave with admins. Cause they always do the right thing all time and never had to review anything they've done.

Wait, they had to review mage Diastrophism back in time, because it was too strong.

Ah, and had to review mech's defense, because they couldn't tank anything.

And don't let me forget they need to set Swift Axe boost lower, because 15% was too fast. And fixed auto-mech spark thing. And VL, more than once. And keep trying out balances, and got to redo it because the effect gets too high or too low.

 

Admins never fail. I wonder why there is a suggestion board then, they can do that all without the feedback of the players. I wonder why they let people talk about the changes they do ingame, they're so old and wise that everything is just perfect, why losing time letting discussions going on?

 

I dont really want to waste my time to read it all since I know this discussion is going nowhere, either way that's why I said I will leave it to the admins whatever changes

they have to do, nerfed it or whatever and I am well aware of the balancing of skills they made and I was already expecting changes on stone spikes ever since it was released. I'm tired and I think discussing this for a longer period would just be a waste of my time. So whatever you believe its yours, what i believe in is mine and like i said its their choice whatever they will do with the skill, doesn't mean all peoples suggestion/complaints will be followed by them. And im not saying they are old and wise enough that they are perfect,what I meant was - they are old enough to change what is fitting for the game - try looking outside the box

 

toodles

 

[Rawand 0]

I've read all of the posts and I srsly have a headache.

 

Kim, you have a mech right? mechs are the best in hunt. atleast they were until stone spike was released. This was also stated so many years ago. Cant u just wait until the other skills will be released? there is a huge chance that other skills will be way more powerfull. Im not just refering to kim but to all those who complain atm about stone spike.

 

Stone spike was supposed to be this strong. (stronger then ice meteor/all maps) Its the only usefull thing a mage has atm. Dont start by saying: stone spike isent the only good thing about mages, they are very strong etc etc. For those who want to state this ----> go buy/create a mage, dont learn stone spike and lvl it to 130-140. See for yourself.

 

All of you guys are really smart people. To come up with constant arguments time after time after time after time to outsmart each other. Cant you people just be pattient? Mages may be the best now but are you forgetting about the other t5 skills? For example the thunderstorm skill of priest ( a char who is SUPPOSED to support ) will outclass the mage ( a char who is SUPPOSED to own amongs the best ) again in power. Another example is the holy justice skill of knights. Now a days less and less people seem to be interested in knights but their t5 skill will be wickedly op wich will lead people to forget about this topic and create a topic like: K9 OWNS ALL? 1,2,3....1290

 

My point is, wait for the other skills to be released (since sander is making efforts to finally release them all,thank god for that) and then talk about balancing.

[snoopgal 2]

im a mage and i agree that stone spike is overpowered in PvP but in hunt its perfectly fine lol and on the line of being weak mage still sucks at hunting....

[Rhyax 0]

why do u all complain? In every server mage is useless. only here mages can pvp/xp/sod/hunt. you're just jealous because mage is now stronger than ever....

[GalvYz 0]

I've read all of the posts and I srsly have a headache.

 

Kim, you have a mech right? mechs are the best in hunt. atleast they were until stone spike was released. This was also stated so many years ago. Cant u just wait until the other skills will be released? there is a huge chance that other skills will be way more powerfull. Im not just refering to kim but to all those who complain atm about stone spike.

 

Stone spike was supposed to be this strong. (stronger then ice meteor/all maps) Its the only usefull thing a mage has atm. Dont start by saying: stone spike isent the only good thing about mages, they are very strong etc etc. For those who want to state this ----> go buy/create a mage, dont learn stone spike and lvl it to 130-140. See for yourself.

 

All of you guys are really smart people. To come up with constant arguments time after time after time after time to outsmart each other. Cant you people just be pattient? Mages may be the best now but are you forgetting about the other t5 skills? For example the thunderstorm skill of priest ( a char who is SUPPOSED to support ) will outclass the mage ( a char who is SUPPOSED to own amongs the best ) again in power. Another example is the holy justice skill of knights. Now a days less and less people seem to be interested in knights but their t5 skill will be wickedly op wich will lead people to forget about this topic and create a topic like: K9 OWNS ALL? 1,2,3....1290

 

My point is, wait for the other skills to be released (since sander is making efforts to finally release them all,thank god for that) and then talk about balancing.

 

good point balancing later