PVP Class balance

[emad 0]

dude ks need hp..................

[neog 10]

Do you consider a topic about BALANCE as a whine just because you're benefited with that?

Nah, I don't.

 

But when I read garbage like this I do:

 

In my opinion pikes need:

- increase a lot the delay of vanish and nerf it.

- nerf drastically the add of jump (less than half of what it is today - after all it is a T1 skill and not needed)

- reduce the evade of Vague and reduce the block of Weapon Defense Mastery.

 

Did you see me make any reply's before that nonsense was posted? People are entitled to their own opinions, but when you make suggestions like that its simply whining.

 

Edit* Bumerangue 01:02:24 Viewing the topic PVP Class balance.  : :

There's more to read than whatever you post. Don't give yourself that much value. I don't.

Really? How many post were between yours and mine in that long span of 3 minutes? Again, your still replying to me, "wasting your time". Sorry that I do that to you, I know im hard to resist, I hear it often.

 

First of all this topic is NOT about me, you neither my clan or your clan(s).

This is about class balance. It is about making the game better.

As Bumerangue said, it is a very crucial thing to the game to make it more enjoyable to everyone.

 

Even pikes and people from your clan share the same opinion that I do: pike is OP.

This is what I posted with arguments.

You don't have to agree with my opinion, but if you don't want to look like a child post your opinions with arguments so everyone can discuss them.

 

This is not the place for posting "come x1", "I don't spend with game" or all the garbage that you posted.

Unless you post anything that is on topic I'll not answer you again and I'd like to ask everyone to do the same so we can keep this discussion in a higher level.

Feel free to create a topic on GoF if you want to continue offending everyone or bragging about yourself.

[MinJee 1]

Actually, thanks for owner of topic to post this such as a great contribute to improve the game.

But remember, this game is not balance and full of shit. I think class balance is not really important

 

But to ally with topic, i just say: pike with attk rtg > archer this is ridiculous --> reduce attk rating of pike less than FT (cause FT is attk rating char of all melee)

 

 

[LotonTow 0]

Is it right? Do you think it's ok one class killing everyone with 1 hit and tanking 5~6 players (or even more lol) ?? Do you consider a topic about BALANCE as a whine just because you're benefited with that?

 

Seriously, stay quiet, you're smarter than it.

 

Let me be clearer: Grow up.

 

your talking about a class that tank 5-6 and still kill ?

dief mage

leonsk mage

galva ms

neog ms

 

all this not pikeman but they do what you just say ... so  LTS NERF mage and ms too???

nuts  if you all so cry about ps ... let me ask you ,,, why you not change class to ps ?

[LotonTow 0]

Actually, thanks for owner of topic to post this such as a great contribute to improve the game.

But remember, this game is not balance and full of shit. I think class balance is not really important

 

But to ally with topic, i just say: pike with attk rtg > archer this is ridiculous --> reduce attk rating of pike less than FT (cause FT is attk rating char of all melee)

 

ya minjee that game have many shits ..

many hackers..

auto click/ macro    all that shits

server need to deal with this issue to remove all hacks and lags ..

 

then you can talk about class

[neog 10]

Is it right? Do you think it's ok one class killing everyone with 1 hit and tanking 5~6 players (or even more lol) ?? Do you consider a topic about BALANCE as a whine just because you're benefited with that?

 

Seriously, stay quiet, you're smarter than it.

 

Let me be clearer: Grow up.

 

your talking about a class that tank 5-6 and still kill ?

dief mage

leonsk mage

galva ms

neog ms

 

all this not pikeman but they do what you just say ... so  LTS NERF mage and ms too???

nuts  if you all so cry about ps ... let me ask you ,,, why you not change class to ps ?

 

Eli, all the classes can tank and kill depending ofc on their builds, level and items.

I've seen atas, archers, knights tanking quite good and still killing well. What Marçal is saying is that no other char does it as good as pike.

Try to play with different chars of the same level, same gear and compare them. See the numbers that I posted and you will understand.

 

But let's be honest, mages either tank or kill. The majority of mages in this game go PvP with full hp builds, they are able to make kills only by attacking with someone else and/or using 2h since most people dont waste time attacking them.

See the difference between pikes and mages:

 

 

 

And to answer your question, I won't change class simply because ms is my favorite class since I started playing this game.

I think it is quite sad the number of people that gave up on their favorite classes to be able to play and have some fun. Look at the ranking and check how many of them were not pikes 1 year ago.

[bellum12345 16]

I know you guys are talking about PvP, however, the game does not only have PVP, it also consists of xp-ing, gold farming, hunting and SoD.

 

Archer, mgs, ata are very good at hunting, they are good at pvp too. They are also essential killers for SoD and all party quests.

How about an MS? The best tanker, most important in party quest, most important in SoD (at least it used to be), the best hunter (i can say it).

KS and FS? They got 1-handed weapons, they got shields, they can kill in BC too. They also have got pets, maybe FS's cannot tank but at least they can loot the gold.

 

What about an PS?

Hunt? What does it mean to PS?

Exp? The only thing it can do is to lure, but every class can lure, and there is only 1 slot for lurer.

SoD? Dont ask me to look at the SoD ranking.

1-handed weapons? yea, yea PS got them.

 

So, what is the point to start playing/changing class into a PS? Its PvP ability. PS must be the best killer, a big must.

You want to nerf PS because it's OP, right?

Dont talk about the numbers you showed us, look at top 10 PvP ranking. Do the PS players rule the board? No, absolutely not. PS cant even be called the best killer as it should be. There is only 1 PS who makes the difference. You said the topic was not about personal problem, I see the opposite thing.

 

Or all the archers/ata/MS in top 10 pvp just kill mules? Or I misunderstood you, didnt I?

 

About a week before the topic was created, I saw that DLM has been ruling the whole BC, the exp that guy had gained in that week was almost equal to PvP exp that EZ had gain since the start of the month, I already knew there would be a topic like this appear.

 

I do not know who DLM is and i dont care either. The thing i realize is that: whenever something extraordinary is made, hatred reactions are performed. All the time. In real life and in game. C'est la vie.

 

[neog 10]

I know you guys are talking about PvP, however, the game does not only have PVP, it also consists of xp-ing, gold farming, hunting and SoD.

 

Yes, this topic is about PvP only and it is where it matters most when we talk about balance.

 

Archer, mgs, ata are very good at hunting, they are good at pvp too. They are also essential killers for SoD and all party quests.

How about an MS? The best tanker, most important in party quest, most important in SoD (at least it used to be), the best hunter (i can say it).

KS and FS? They got 1-handed weapons, they got shields, they can kill in BC too. They also have got pets, maybe FS's cannot tank but at least they can loot the gold.

 

What about an PS?

Hunt? What does it mean to PS?

Exp? The only thing it can do is to lure, but every class can lure, and there is only 1 slot for lurer.

SoD? Dont ask me to look at the SoD ranking.

1-handed weapons? yea, yea PS got them.

 

There is only 1 slot for lurer as well as there is only 1 slot for tanker.

You can say that the lurer can be from any class while the tanker must be a MS and that's right. But pikes can be killers too, just as good (if not better) as rangers, prists and mages.

SOD is mostly for mages and prists, compared to the rest pikes are very good.

And about hunt, have you ever tried hunting with a pike using crystals? If not, just try it. It is really good and crystals can be found at NPC (not as good as auto mech, I admit).

 

So, what is the point to start playing/changing class into a PS? Its PvP ability. PS must be the best killer, a big must.

You want to nerf PS because it's OP, right?

Dont talk about the numbers you showed us, look at top 10 PvP ranking. Do the PS players rule the board? No, absolutely not. PS cant even be called the best killer as it should be. There is only 1 PS who makes the difference. You said the topic was not about personal problem, I see the opposite thing.

 

Or all the archers/ata/MS in top 10 pvp just kill mules? Or I misunderstood you, didnt I?

 

About a week before the topic was created, I saw that DLM has been ruling the whole BC, the exp that guy had gained in that week was almost equal to PvP exp that EZ had gain since the start of the month, I already knew there would be a topic like this appear.

 

I do not know who DLM is and i dont care either. The thing i realize is that: whenever something extraordinary is made, hatred reactions are performed. All the time. In real life and in game. C'est la vie.

 

In my opinion pikes should continue as the best PvP char, but the difference today is huge against any other char what makes PvP boring.

Look how many people are becoming pike, the reason why it is happening is simply because it is currently the best char in game (or why would people spend coins on that?).

The PvP ranking as of now is not a good example, most of the chars that are top now are there after a SW, so those with good AoE are those who are top now (archer and atas mainly).

[Rhyax 0]

Actually Wartale will nerf pikes.

When many people change their class, he will nerf them and everyone will change again.

 

@Neog

Why are you arguing with them? It's pointless.

They just whine because if this happens

they won't be able to one-hit-kill everyone.

Pikes don't care about the others.

[MinJee 1]

As I said, you come up the idea is good, but useless, this is Private Server. Doesn't matter have to nerf or balance, before I think it is neccessary, but now I see useless just hurt people to farm/hunt gold who don't have $$ to spend on this game, this game has it own goal

What balance for ?

1) edited item

2) experience in ricarten

You all know, the pike with 2 hand OG!Kush, nobody bother what this noob did, let him go to kill other his own tool (use GM mode or Hack or Edit item people could say their own word)

 

[lordbowie 18]

As I said, you come up the idea is good, but useless, this is Private Server. Doesn't matter have to nerf or balance, before I think it is neccessary, but now I see useless just hurt people to farm/hunt gold who don't have $$ to spend on this game, this game has it own goal

What balance for ?

1) edited item

2) experience in ricarten

You all know, the pike with 2 hand OG!Kush, nobody bother what this noob did, let him go to kill other his own tool (use GM mode or Hack or Edit item people could say their own word)

1- just cry

2- cry again

[Doug 1]

Even with evidence, people continue to make foolish, especially when it favors them. 

[[crass] 19]

As I said, you come up the idea is good, but useless, this is Private Server. Doesn't matter have to nerf or balance, before I think it is neccessary, but now I see useless just hurt people to farm/hunt gold who don't have $$ to spend on this game, this game has it own goal

What balance for ?

1) edited item

2) experience in ricarten

You all know, the pike with 2 hand OG!Kush, nobody bother what this noob did, let him go to kill other his own tool (use GM mode or Hack or Edit item people could say their own word)

1- just cry

2- cry again

[MinJee 1]

Why people don't bother with the kid who most people called edited item (but for me he is use GM mode, and increase any abs/def what he wants, there are a lot people using this mode for BC) ?

Cause nobody with bother the kids who pee and poo on the floor right ? but if the elder, people will call police right away and will get fine for that.

 

[MrWakaWalrus 3]

wow, this topic is for sure a hot one.

[Marçal 1]

Is it right? Do you think it's ok one class killing everyone with 1 hit and tanking 5~6 players (or even more lol) ?? Do you consider a topic about BALANCE as a whine just because you're benefited with that?

 

Seriously, stay quiet, you're smarter than it.

 

Let me be clearer: Grow up.

 

your talking about a class that tank 5-6 and still kill ?

dief mage

leonsk mage

galva ms

neog ms

 

all this not pikeman but they do what you just say ... so  LTS NERF mage and ms too???

nuts  if you all so cry about ps ... let me ask you ,,, why you not change class to ps ?

Yeah, mage can tank alot of ppl, I played a long time with a mage, but you have to choose between kill or tank. You need a pure HP build to tank like dief/leon, and you won't kill anything (only some rangers, bcz they got a low hp). Same as mechs. You have to choose between tanking abilities or power abilities, and a mech with maximize dies SO EASY.

 

about your question.. I don't change to PS because I didn't want to. I got bored to KS and changed to AS. I see pikeman as a class to childs play. YOU DO NOT NEED SKILLS TO PLAY AS PIKEMAN. Only 1h, vanish, eye, 2h, jump/sm, cs, 1h, run to safezone and repeat it. 1 in 2 trys you'll kill the enemy. Sorry about who really loves the class (i do believe it's your case Eli), but if you like this way of playing or loves the class, you're a retard!

 

And, in your mind all the people should change to the overpowered class instead of balance all the classes?

[Rhyax 0]

Why people don't bother with the kid who most people called edited item (but for me he is use GM mode, and increase any abs/def what he wants, there are a lot people using this mode for BC) ?

Cause nobody with bother the kids who pee and poo on the floor right ? but if the elder, people will call police right away and will get fine for that.

Exactly

[neog 10]

As I said, you come up the idea is good, but useless, this is Private Server. Doesn't matter have to nerf or balance, before I think it is neccessary, but now I see useless just hurt people to farm/hunt gold who don't have $$ to spend on this game, this game has it own goal

What balance for ?

1) edited item

2) experience in ricarten

You all know, the pike with 2 hand OG!Kush, nobody bother what this noob did, let him go to kill other his own tool (use GM mode or Hack or Edit item people could say their own word)

 

Yes, that's a sad story about RPT, same thing for more than one year now.

It's not enough having the OP class to some people.

And btw, his items are edited as never before, even being 5 lvls lower than DLM he makes DLM looks like a 13x.

[Rawand 0]

^ this. Its about sander actually doing something for his server. Its supossed to be called realmpt. Not piketale.

[jessie 8]

nerf all chars

[LotonTow 0]

Is it right? Do you think it's ok one class killing everyone with 1 hit and tanking 5~6 players (or even more lol) ?? Do you consider a topic about BALANCE as a whine just because you're benefited with that?

 

Seriously, stay quiet, you're smarter than it.

 

Let me be clearer: Grow up.

 

your talking about a class that tank 5-6 and still kill ?

dief mage

leonsk mage

galva ms

neog ms

 

all this not pikeman but they do what you just say ... so  LTS NERF mage and ms too???

nuts  if you all so cry about ps ... let me ask you ,,, why you not change class to ps ?

Yeah, mage can tank alot of ppl, I played a long time with a mage, but you have to choose between kill or tank. You need a pure HP build to tank like dief/leon, and you won't kill anything (only some rangers, bcz they got a low hp). Same as mechs. You have to choose between tanking abilities or power abilities, and a mech with maximize dies SO EASY.

 

about your question.. I don't change to PS because I didn't want to. I got bored to KS and changed to AS. I see pikeman as a class to childs play. YOU DO NOT NEED SKILLS TO PLAY AS PIKEMAN. Only 1h, vanish, eye, 2h, jump/sm, cs, 1h, run to safezone and repeat it. 1 in 2 trys you'll kill the enemy. Sorry about who really loves the class (i do believe it's your case Eli), but if you like this way of playing or loves the class, you're a retard!

 

And, in your mind all the people should change to the overpowered class instead of balance all the classes?

 

first have no idea why you guys keep call me eli .. he leave and i am avi nice to meet

i dont know who I you are marcel  but one of my old freinds in your clan name jinmy

we still good friends even tho we in 2 different sides.

now if to be hunest my chars to play is archer or ms

but aftrr play as for more then 3 year .. i want to play something else  that all.

 

and again for all who cry about class .. just stfu Or change to the class .

[bellum12345 16]

There is only 1 slot for lurer as well as there is only 1 slot for tanker.

You can say that the lurer can be from any class while the tanker must be a MS and that's right. But pikes can be killers too, just as good (if not better) as rangers, prists and mages.

SOD is mostly for mages and prists, compared to the rest pikes are very good.

And about hunt, have you ever tried hunting with a pike using crystals? If not, just try it. It is really good and crystals can be found at NPC (not as good as auto mech, I admit).

1. Even if PS could kill faster than PRS and MGS, it couldnt be more useful than them in a pt because prs has VL and extinction, and MGS has MS. I dont think it's clever to choose a PS instead of picking a mgs as killer (i dont count prs in) in a pt, especilly low lvl PS. However, if you are leader, ur choice.

 

2. Can you suggest which crystal that I can buy from NPC can help me hunt with a PS? Is there any crystal in NPC shop that can tank in DI? Sorry, if smt has just changed but i missed.

You can say, boss crystals can be purchased in personal shop, that is true, but it also means that PS is the worst hunter, it even cannot match FS becasue FS has BC and destroyer for Demon monsters. Every class can hunt but PS is the worst, that the problem.

 

3. Why do i insist on talking about other problems but PvP issue? Because you cannot just stare at one aspect and say it is imbalance.

Look at a Nokia Lumia and Nokia 1280, the former is way more expensive than the latter, it is imbalance.  Do you ever look at the difference between their techlonogy, their looks?

Look at a Roll Royce and a popular Toyota, the RR looks way better, way faster, much more luxury than the Toyota. It is imbalance. Do you ever ask for the price of each of them?

Look at a Pikeman and you can see it is the best at PvP, it is imbalance. Do you ever look at other abilities of it?

Balancing just one aspect and you call it balance?

 

Nerfing PS means buffing other class indirectly in PvP, and this buff is absolute imbalance for MS, Ata, AS, MGS which are very versatile. The only thing I feel balance here is nerfing PS helps FS and KS. So, why dont you suggest a buff for KS and FS instead of nerfing PS?

In my opinion pikes should continue as the best PvP char, but the difference today is huge against any other char what makes PvP boring.

Look how many people are becoming pike, the reason why it is happening is simply because it is currently the best char in game (or why would people spend coins on that?).

If pike contiunes as the best PvP char like you said, topics like this will be created like you did, more and more.

If pike got nerf, other class will take the crown, for example an MS, ppl will change into MS. Will you create a topic like this? Maybe yes, but dont you see it is the vicious circle?

You make only one point: lots of ppl become pikeman, and it is private server. The owner will nerft Pikeman or will make the coming-soon Assasin the best PvP char, in order to make ppl change class again. Balance is just a reason.

[[BLiiND] 0]

You can pay for exp.

You can pay for items.

You cannot pay for PvP.

 

Where's your point now?

what point you make by this? nothing ???

you cant pay for sod either ???

irrelevant

[Ices 18]

1. Even if PS could kill faster than PRS and MGS, it couldnt be more useful than them in a pt because prs has VL and extinction, and MGS has MS. I dont think it's clever to choose a PS instead of picking a mgs as killer (i dont count prs in) in a pt, especilly low lvl PS. However, if you are leader, ur choice.

How many days you're without playing rPT? If you don't see, too many pikemans nowadays are getting slots for killer in DI Quest , because even if PRS have vl or MGS have Magic Source, PS's have Venom Spear who makes the quest run more easy since do +250% damage boost from venom element.

 

2. Can you suggest which crystal that I can buy from NPC can help me hunt with a PS? Is there any crystal in NPC shop that can tank in DI? Sorry, if smt has just changed but i missed.

You can say, boss crystals can be purchased in personal shop, that is true, but it also means that PS is the worst hunter, it even cannot match FS becasue FS has BC and destroyer for Demon monsters. Every class can hunt but PS is the worst, that the problem.

I've already tried hunt with a 14x pikeman with a Iron Crystal and a Hell Crystal and hunt goes fine, PS killed fast the mob (using venom + cl + eye always). Pikeman rarely missed a hit since they got 3000+ attack rating using shuriken. If you want, i can make a video showing how pikeman is decent in hunt.

 

Also you said about destroyer, but destroyer is a delayed skill and bone crasher misses so much since don't have attack rating. Yes, i had a fighter for like 2 years and i know how is go hunt with a fighter.

 

Nerfing PS means buffing other class indirectly in PvP, and this buff is absolute imbalance for MS, Ata, AS, MGS which are very versatile. The only thing I feel balance here is nerfing PS helps FS and KS. So, why dont you suggest a buff for KS and FS instead of nerfing PS?

Because KS already have a good tank ability in PVP and FS already is fine. Knight's is a 'hard' char to how to improve, since they can tank pretty well with a 1h weapon but they have a weak attack power. And, you already tried to play with a FS? Isn't crap in pvp as all says, they just get 1-shotted by pikemans - they have high hp formula + t4 passive skill and a powerful skills.

[neog 10]

1. Even if PS could kill faster than PRS and MGS, it couldnt be more useful than them in a pt because prs has VL and extinction, and MGS has MS. I dont think it's clever to choose a PS instead of picking a mgs as killer (i dont count prs in) in a pt, especilly low lvl PS. However, if you are leader, ur choice.

 

I think there are different combinations of pt, no doubt it is good to have a pris and mage, but still you can find slot as killer.

 

2. Can you suggest which crystal that I can buy from NPC can help me hunt with a PS? Is there any crystal in NPC shop that can tank in DI? Sorry, if smt has just changed but i missed.

You can say, boss crystals can be purchased in personal shop, that is true, but it also means that PS is the worst hunter, it even cannot match FS becasue FS has BC and destroyer for Demon monsters. Every class can hunt but PS is the worst, that the problem.

 

Sure, use Hell Crystal, it's not as strong as Golem but better than Chimera.

I honestly don't think PS is the best, but for sure it is not the worst.

 

3. Why do i insist on talking about other problems but PvP issue? Because you cannot just stare at one aspect and say it is imbalance.

Look at a Nokia Lumia and Nokia 1280, the former is way more expensive than the latter, it is imbalance.  Do you ever look at the difference between their techlonogy, their looks?

Look at a Roll Royce and a popular Toyota, the RR looks way better, way faster, much more luxury than the Toyota. It is imbalance. Do you ever ask for the price of each of them?

Look at a Pikeman and you can see it is the best at PvP, it is imbalance. Do you ever look at other abilities of it?

Balancing just one aspect and you call it balance?

 

Nerfing PS means buffing other class indirectly in PvP, and this buff is absolute imbalance for MS, Ata, AS, MGS which are very versatile. The only thing I feel balance here is nerfing PS helps FS and KS. So, why dont you suggest a buff for KS and FS instead of nerfing PS?

 

I quite don't get the arguments that are being posted here, seems to me that everyone agrees that we don't have a balance but it must be kept because of reasons I can't understand, like:

- If PS is balanced people will change class.

- Rolls Royce is better than Toyota.

- Everyone can change class to PS and give up their favorite chars.

 

People need to understand that balance means equilibrium, means that you can play with your favorite class and have nice challenges.

No one here is asking that PS becomes weak. And that can be done in minutes by the admin of the game.

And btw, in my opinion FS is really good, KS maybe deserves a little bit increase on attack rtg, MS is good, ATA is good, AS is good.

Except for AS, I played with all of them and really enjoyed. They just become boring when you play against a PS, where you basically just wait for a hit kill (I played with PS too).