PVP Class balance

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archer tank more then ps or ms

1 million evade + 40% block on shield = tanktale

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As I said, you come up the idea is good, but useless, this is Private Server. Doesn't matter have to nerf or balance, before I think it is neccessary, but now I see useless just hurt people to farm/hunt gold who don't have $$ to spend on this game, this game has it own goal

What balance for ?

1) edited item

2) experience in ricarten

You all know, the pike with 2 hand OG!Kush, nobody bother what this noob did, let him go to kill other his own tool (use GM mode or Hack or Edit item people could say their own word)

1- just cry

2- cry again

8)

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what point you make by this? nothing ???

you cant pay for sod either ???

irrelevant

Yes but as he said PvE is not needed.

You can pay for items, instead of hunting.

You can pay for exp, instead of training.

If you're rich PvE doesn't matter. You pay for everything.

 

 

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Yes but as he said PvE is not needed.

You can pay for items, instead of hunting.

You can pay for exp, instead of training.

If you're rich PvE doesn't matter. You pay for everything.

only have pve? this is all game? why nerf ps? another char will be top pvp if nerf ps..you can pay to change class right? after nerf ps we make new topic for nerf next class? i watch dlm vs neog some day ago and dlm need use hp pot after every grand smash..nerf grand smash too? nerf maximize? why ms can tank most op class in game but still deal 70%+ dmg to char in 1 hit that tank all? i only see neog with 1h..with 2h can kill dlm in 1 grand smash easy.. why low 14x arch can tank neog+dlm same time with shield and not use hp pot(50%+ evasion,40%block) while have skill(prefo) that never miss? why ata can 1 hit all class with split?

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archer tank more then ps or ms

1 million evade + 40% block on shield = tanktale

Archers just can tank because they use health points (btw what archer don't use?). And also they lose so much attack rating to get this high evasion.

 

Try play with a archer without health and you will see, 70% evasion and 40% block will not save you from every hit failed.

 

If i consider what you said, so, a archer with 132 +22 full geared items (with armor, also) can tank everyone and everything, and this don't happens.

 

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go test 140 archer with 120 shield sol mix vs 140ms/ps in bc

see who tank more^_^

arch stun and run, only a matter of time before kill ms/ps with prefo/pshot

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only have pve? this is all game? why nerf ps? another char will be top pvp if nerf ps..you can pay to change class right? after nerf ps we make new topic for nerf next class? i watch dlm vs neog some day ago and dlm need use hp pot after every grand smash..nerf grand smash too? nerf maximize? why ms can tank most op class in game but still deal 70%+ dmg to char in 1 hit that tank all? i only see neog with 1h..with 2h can kill dlm in 1 grand smash easy.. why low 14x arch can tank neog+dlm same time with shield and not use hp pot(50%+ evasion,40%block) while have skill(prefo) that never miss? why ata can 1 hit all class with split?

You're saying that because you never played with a mech. Try play with one, and try play with a pikeman. You will see a big difference between this 2.

 

 

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go test 140 archer with 120 shield sol mix vs 140ms/ps in bc

see who tank more^_^

arch stun and run, only a matter of time before kill ms/ps with prefo/pshot

Try use this archer with same health points as ms/ps and you will see who tank more.

 

Or try use this mech/pikeman with same health of archer also, and you will see who tank more too.

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how u tell me i never play with ms? u watch all char i log? stalk me?

i watch lv 156ms vs lv155 ps both full dnt and i see results..i no need play ms for see results

 

why use arch with same health point? i not crazy for do that..ofc arch need stat in hp and yes that lower ar/dmg

but why need ar when have skill never miss? can explain?

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how u tell me i never play with ms? u watch all char i log? stalk me?

i watch lv 156ms vs lv155 ps both full dnt and i see results..i no need play ms for see results

 

why use arch with same health point? i not crazy for do that..ofc arch need stat in hp and yes that lower ar/dmg

but why need ar when have skill never miss? can explain?

No.

 

But is different say about a thing you saw and a thing what you know about in practice. Afaik, Neog was with +1 speed who makes much difference in mech (maybe you don't know that, but mechs, knights and magicians/prs with +1 speed changes drastically the attack speed more than others - players of this classes can confirm this).

 

Perforation is a aoe skill, that's why don't miss and this will not change. Even if someone whine about decrease his % of attack, this will not change because is a feature of char, the one of chars who have a AOE with critical damage (40%);

 

Archer with perforation even with 200 health will give a high damage because this skill is in the way what is supposed to be. The problem is, chars have low hp formula and can't deal with damage from perforation.

 

Also, Fighter's AOE skill is too powerful than Perforation (Who have a mech can confirm, mech or other classes with low hp dies easily for cyclone strike). Knight Brandish is a high damage AOE skill too, and Sword of Justice have 130% damage as i remember, when this chars attack someone in PVP, they don't have chance to miss too, and this is a feature of AOE skills, will not change.

 

 

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But is different say about a thing you saw and a thing what you know about in practice. Afaik, Neog was with +1 speed who makes much difference in mech (maybe you don't know that, but mechs, knights and magicians/prs with +1 speed changes drastically the attack speed more than others - players of this classes can confirm this).

lolz...sod crown? +1 speed? not. i see with my own eyes..you make up story to sound good..is different

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how u tell me i never play with ms? u watch all char i log? stalk me?

i watch lv 156ms vs lv155 ps both full dnt and i see results..i no need play ms for see results

 

why use arch with same health point? i not crazy for do that..ofc arch need stat in hp and yes that lower ar/dmg

but why need ar when have skill never miss? can explain?

 

Based on your comments it is possible to say you dont play with ms, no need to stalk you.

I was the ms of this x1 you mentioned. And if you were there you saw that it was a pretty close duel until the pike used vanish + jump and hit kill almost all the times he did it.

CS also can hit kill the same way as jump, but why pikes don't use them?

Because it is a slow skill therefore it is risky to use (unless they are bsbing).

Doesn't it sound fairer that a skill that can hit kill might also lead you to die?

It would be just like FS's Destroyer.

Think for a minute, jump is a T1 skill that is stronger than most of all other char's attack skills and also really fast. And that in a char that already has CL + CS + SM.

 

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sure its possible but anything possible right? its possible you can kill someone in 1 gs right?

i saw you tank alot of jc used against u...3 time he kill you with cl 2 time with jc. you kill him 4 time with gs, should it nerf? he using 2h vs your 1h but you still kill he.

how about jc in pve? ever try it? its useless..

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and ices u say prefo wont change cause is feature of char have aoe skill with very high dmg boost but with 40% crit.

i can say same for ps wont change cause is feature of char to have hit kill since they should be best pvp in game right?

 

this topic 1100+ views, 10 pages..and we get no where.

when gm thinks about class balance time for change he will do..until then we have discussion with our selfs and get no where, and waste each other time

 

if look development topic can see...

Skill Balance inactive Skill Balance is currently not in development

 

i no post more cause all our post dont get any result in game..wait for gm

 

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I'm shocked how they do not understand the word "balance".

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I'm shocked how they do not understand the word "balance".

just like they dont understand pvp is not only feature in game..you nerf skills for pvp, mean you nerf skills for sod,xp,hunt

you nerf skills on 1 class = boost pvp of other chars vs that class

 

bb

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It's nearly impossible for a mech to one shot people. Still, you're taking about the highest player of the server, it's not an average one.

As I said, tanking rely on defense. Get over defense = kill.

Jumping Crash = hitkill

Chain Lancer = hitkill

Shadow Master = hitkill

Charging Strike = hitkill

And that's for any average pike.

 

Pike's defensive attributes with 2h are as high as most people's 1h attributes. Mech with 2h cannot tank at all.

 

 

PvE is useless. Read the topic and find out why. It would be really cool if everyone read stuff before posting, so we won't be reviving the same pathetic excuses over and over again.

no its not..i see dmg neog deal to dlm in x1. yes im talking about the highest level..but he fight someone 1 lvl lower then him..dlm not average either so you can make compair. if i talk neog vs char 145 ps, yes, i say you are right.

 

you think all sv gamer donate all? theres more ppl that hunt/xp/sod then go bc..so your point about paying for everything is deemed useless to me and alot of others that dont pay to play

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you nerf skills on 1 class = boost pvp of other chars vs that class

That's EXACTLY the point of nerfing an overpowered class.

and then what? new class become op? we make new topic? then start complain you can pay to change class? we try figure out what to nerf on more class to make more balance? it never end..

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i can say same for ps wont change cause is feature of char to have hit kill since they should be best pvp in game right?

No.

Fighters should be the best damage dealers among melees.

really? you talk about def being important right? why fs have much much more def then ps? why fs have much much more hp then ps? you want fs to have higher dmg/tank/hp then ps? why have ps class? free bp?

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sure its possible but anything possible right? its possible you can kill someone in 1 gs right?

i saw you tank alot of jc used against u...3 time he kill you with cl 2 time with jc. you kill him 4 time with gs, should it nerf? he using 2h vs your 1h but you still kill he.

how about jc in pve? ever try it? its useless..

How should nerf the mainly skill of mech? The one 1x1 skill of mechs?

 

You really didn't played with a mech, is just trying to argument about with a x1 that you didn't played, just watched. We are talking about things that we know, we tested and we have atleast some embasement, you're talking about a 1x1 vs 2 classes that happened just 1 time.

 

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he using 2h vs your 1h but you still kill he.

Really, how many mechs you see so many mechs using 2 hands everytime in BC? You see any mech tanking 2 chars with 2 hands in BC?

 

Everytime when i (or other mech) used 2 hands we died easily for 1 hit of any skill of any char, since mech's don't have a high block/evasion rate with 2 hands (like pikemans have) to save them, and our HP isn't too high to survive for anything. I'm not whining about this, i'm just saying.

 

You see any mech tanking 1 char with 2 hands? Cmon, you're talking about the best 1 handed weapon in game, and can be compared easier to a sword (just damage, is the same almost). How a 130 +22 item will not kill someone?

 

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and ices u say prefo wont change cause is feature of char have aoe skill with very high dmg boost but with 40% crit.

i can say same for ps wont change cause is feature of char to have hit kill since they should be best pvp in game right?

 

this topic 1100+ views, 10 pages..and we get no where.

when gm thinks about class balance time for change he will do..until then we have discussion with our selfs and get no where, and waste each other time

 

if look development topic can see...

Skill Balance inactive Skill Balance is currently not in development

 

i no post more cause all our post dont get any result in game..wait for gm

I didn't said/we didn't said pikeman's isn't supposed to be the critical killers or killers. We're saying he shouldn't do this every time, and with every skill and with every char or items. And plus tank almost everything with 1 or 2 hands more than other melees.

 

And btw, you're without arguments and is now talking about "Wartale don't have plans to change anything", because he can do this if he wants, even if he written this.

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I'm shocked how they do not understand the word "balance".

just like they dont understand pvp is not only feature in game..you nerf skills for pvp, mean you nerf skills for sod,xp,hunt

you nerf skills on 1 class = boost pvp of other chars vs that class

 

bb

PVP isn't the main feature but is the only thing why people waste gold/time/money to get any char fully equipped in PT1.

 

We don't exp to reach the highest level or hunt/buy the best items just to stay afk in ricarten or to just hunt better, is to go to PVP to kill your enemies and all.

 

 

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'i saw', 'i see', 'my own eyes'... just u saw all this things? i'm finally understanding why ur nick...

 

AS dont miss? use t5 and try PH 3x and tell me more...

MS kill like a hell? ask to ur friends how MS using maximize die for 2 DR of mg tanker...

ATA killing everyone with split? I'm confuse if everyone = AS, or are u talking about KhoaitLAGGERsan(that does dmg of 3 vg+1split in same time)...

 

 

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i can say same for ps wont change cause is feature of char to have hit kill since they should be best pvp in game right?

No.

Fighters should be the best damage dealers among melees.

really? you talk about def being important right? why fs have much much more def then ps? why fs have much much more hp then ps? you want fs to have higher dmg/tank/hp then ps? why have ps class? free bp?

Since when fighters have more defense than pikemans? They lose -30 abs to get more attack power.

 

They are the class with more hp, i admit. But they're supposed to tank with HP, that's normal, and this isn't overpowered (you see someone saying about fighters tanking more than all classes in pvp? in hunting? in SOD?)

 

 

 

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only have pve? this is all game? why nerf ps? another char will be top pvp if nerf ps..you can pay to change class right? after nerf ps we make new topic for nerf next class? i watch dlm vs neog some day ago and dlm need use hp pot after every grand smash..nerf grand smash too? nerf maximize? why ms can tank most op class in game but still deal 70%+ dmg to char in 1 hit that tank all? i only see neog with 1h..with 2h can kill dlm in 1 grand smash easy.. why low 14x arch can tank neog+dlm same time with shield and not use hp pot(50%+ evasion,40%block) while have skill(prefo) that never miss? why ata can 1 hit all class with split?

 

It's not balanced then. This topic is about balance.

Its purpose is to balance all chars, not only pikes.

At least he could use pots.

Pikes are the only ones who pot.

The others are getting one-shotted almost all the time.

Mech can't tank with Maximize, nor kill with Metal Armor.

Maximize and GS are ok. Mech doesn't have +18% crit and

his block % with 1h is equal to pike with 2h. Pikes have evade.

3 one-hit-killers and teh strongest of all spammable skills.

Why do you compare GS with CL? Cl might be slower, but its dmg is insane.

And nobody will kill you while using CL.

 

 

@Bumerangue

Which program are you using for these avatars?

Paint?