PVP Class balance

[Ices 18]

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really? you talk about def being important right? why fs have much much more def then ps? why fs have much much more hp then ps? you want fs to have higher dmg/tank/hp then ps? why have ps class? free bp?

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Ok, let's go back to #1 page, if you didn't read, blind:

 

Fighter 151 vs. Pikeman 149

 

HP: 1770 vs. 1521 - fighter have a little bit more, because of t4 skill

Block: 38%/12% vs 59%/38% - pikemans have much more block than fighters

ATK RTG: 2345/2387 vs 2571/3242 - pikemans have more attack rating than fighters

Defense: 5102/4251 vs 5141/4283 - ps/fs have same defense, where's your point of FS have more defense?

Evasion: 0% vs 25%

Critical: 20%/27% vs 101%/100% - ps have 3x more critical than fighters.

 

About skills:

 

Pikemans have a skill who gives +25% evasion rating, while fighter have nothing (but fighters still have HP booster from T4)

Pikemans have 4 powerfull skills (80% 1 hit, 70% 3 hits, 180% 3 hits, 80% 7 hits) vs Fighter (95% 2 hits and 150% 3 hits)

AOE of pikemans have 180 range + 100% damage - with no limit of monsters (with Shuriken Tornado) vs FS Cyclone with 80% damage + 145 range + limit of 15 monsters

Also pikemans have 2 passives, 1 of add 16% block and 1 of 18% critical increases, while fighters have one who just increases his attack power in 32% (really not bad)

Fighters have a skill who increases his attack power to +180 with cost of -30 abs (pikemans have 80% of increase damage of 1st hit of every skill to be used when he wants, and he loses nothing - and btw get 90% of invisibility)

Fighters have a skill who increases his attack rating to +160 and t5 with +160 (320 total) while pikemans have one passive from t5 who increases 120% of attack rating from his weapon + Shuriken who gives +200 attack rating (as i know)

Fighters have a skill who increases his attack speed to +8% - i know, this is OP when using a SOD crown, i see this as the main advantage of fighters. And a AOE stun with 22 seconds of duration.

Fighters have helions - pet who gives gold and can "attack" some mobs - but they're really weaks in PVE (they aren't supposed to be like wolverine or metal golem) and loot gold isn't useful in PVP areas (duh)

 

I didn't mentioned the ability of pikemans to ice everyone and don't get affected from Ice element when his passive is lvl 10, and i didn't mentioned the fact of pikemans have a debuff skill with poison element +250% damage boost who really helps alot in everything in PVE. - In my opinion better than a stun or a attack speed skill.

 

Where are your arguments now about FS is more powered than PS?

 

Tell me now how fighters are better than pikemans.

[Doug 1]

my reaction reading some comments on this topic

 

[emad 0]

JUST GIVE KNIGHTS HP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Marçal 1]

Ks doesn't need HP or any boost on tanking abilities. They need atk rating.

[OverYourHead 0]

  On 10/28/2014 at 5:04 PM, Ices said:

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really? you talk about def being important right? why fs have much much more def then ps? why fs have much much more hp then ps? you want fs to have higher dmg/tank/hp then ps? why have ps class? free bp?

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Ok, let's go back to #1 page, if you didn't read, blind:

 

Fighter 151 vs. Pikeman 149

 

HP: 1770 vs. 1521 - fighter have a little bit more, because of t4 skill

Block: 38%/12% vs 59%/38% - pikemans have much more block than fighters

ATK RTG: 2345/2387 vs 2571/3242 - pikemans have more attack rating than fighters

Defense: 5102/4251 vs 5141/4283 - ps/fs have same defense, where's your point of FS have more defense?

Evasion: 0% vs 25%

Critical: 20%/27% vs 101%/100% - ps have 3x more critical than fighters.

 

About skills:

 

Pikemans have a skill who gives +25% evasion rating, while fighter have nothing (but fighters still have HP booster from T4)

Pikemans have 4 powerfull skills (80% 1 hit, 70% 3 hits, 180% 3 hits, 80% 7 hits) vs Fighter (95% 2 hits and 150% 3 hits)

AOE of pikemans have 180 range + 100% damage - with no limit of monsters (with Shuriken Tornado) vs FS Cyclone with 80% damage + 145 range + limit of 15 monsters

Also pikemans have 2 passives, 1 of add 16% block and 1 of 18% critical increases, while fighters have one who just increases his attack power in 32% (really not bad)

Fighters have a skill who increases his attack power to +180 with cost of -30 abs (pikemans have 80% of increase damage of 1st hit of every skill to be used when he wants, and he loses nothing - and btw get 90% of invisibility)

Fighters have a skill who increases his attack rating to +160 and t5 with +160 (320 total) while pikemans have one passive from t5 who increases 120% of attack rating from his weapon + Shuriken who gives +200 attack rating (as i know)

Fighters have a skill who increases his attack speed to +8% - i know, this is OP when using a SOD crown, i see this as the main advantage of fighters. And a AOE stun with 22 seconds of duration.

Fighters have helions - pet who gives gold and can "attack" some mobs - but they're really weaks in PVE (they aren't supposed to be like wolverine or metal golem) and loot gold isn't useful in PVP areas (duh)

 

I didn't mentioned the ability of pikemans to ice everyone and don't get affected from Ice element when his passive is lvl 10, and i didn't mentioned the fact of pikemans have a debuff skill with poison element +250% damage boost who really helps alot in everything in PVE. - In my opinion better than a stun or a attack speed skill.

 

Where are your arguments now about FS is more powered than PS?

 

Tell me now how fighters are better than pikemans.

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Well said, and for my information i ask why a spear 2h add 18% of block? Isnt it enough to have the best buffs and passives and to be able to tank like hell with 2h? Where in the world a spear can block/defend better than a sword hahah, i know it will not make the biggest change but its just weird lol. Every little thing going pikes`s way thats why its a OP class.

[LotonTow 0]

you all forget 1 thing

full t5 didnt come out yet,

once all the chars have a full t5 skill

then talk about nerf if will need .

 

 

[lordbowie 18]

  On 10/29/2014 at 1:59 AM, Bumerangue said:

I hope this will help people to understand what we're saying

 

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kkkkkkkkk

GREAT

[Rhyax 0]

OMFG how did you make this pic I tried but it didn't go well :-X

 

 

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so basically without T4 passive 151 fighter and 149 pike have equal HP? lol

[LotonTow 0]

  On 10/29/2014 at 2:41 AM, Bumerangue said:

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you all forget 1 thing

full t5 didnt come out yet,

once all the chars have a full t5 skill

then talk about nerf if will need .

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http://www.realmpt.net/videos/5

 

Do you know this? Have you ever watched this video?

Tell me, when did they release this?

 

Are you serious on that t5 bullshit?

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well its not our fault right ??

did you see the skills that miss to as/knight/ and fucking fs?

also ata and ms miss skills

 

so ya need fucking wait for t5 for all chars

then talk about nerf

[neog 10]

  On 10/29/2014 at 5:48 AM, LotonTow said:

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you all forget 1 thing

full t5 didnt come out yet,

once all the chars have a full t5 skill

then talk about nerf if will need .

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http://www.realmpt.net/videos/5

 

Do you know this? Have you ever watched this video?

Tell me, when did they release this?

 

Are you serious on that t5 bullshit?

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well its not our fault right ??

did you see the skills that miss to as/knight/ and fruiting fs?

also ata and ms miss skills

 

so ya need fruiting wait for t5 for all chars

then talk about nerf

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Now I finally agree with you. The balance should be done after the T5 is released.

But let's be honest, is anyone here expecting T5 to be released anytime soon?

Apart from few bug fixes and server issues nothing has been done in this server for ages.

So, in my opinion, the admin should balance the classes now (which is fast and simple) and review it when new T5 skills are released (which might never happen).

[Ices 18]

  On 10/29/2014 at 2:38 AM, LotonTow said:

you all forget 1 thing

full t5 didnt come out yet,

once all the chars have a full t5 skill

then talk about nerf if will need .

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Do you know how many years we are waiting for a complete full T5 tiers for all chars? Almost 5 years.

 

So we would wait for him release this bullshit to get a decent balance for 1 class only? Cmon guy, you're just trying defend your overpowered class, nothing more.

 

You can ask oldschool people here on this server. No one have hope in Wartale release all T5 skills. T5 complete is a myth, just this.

 

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aehuaheuhauheae, epic!

 

This is what we are trying to say.

 

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well its not our fault right ??

did you see the skills that miss to as/knight/ and fruiting fs?

also ata and ms miss skills

 

so ya need fruiting wait for t5 for all chars

then talk about nerf

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So are you saying we should stay with this OP class, people quitting more and more or stopping to go BC because of this fkin class until he release something? What will took more years? ahahaha, is too easy to say when is your class you're talking about, dude.

 

You just don't want accept (or you know about that) this class is OP, and need a balance. You don't want this because will stop bsbing in BC or tank more than 3 guys when running to safe zone as i see when i go to bc, just this.

[Ices 18]

  On 10/29/2014 at 4:48 AM, Rhyax said:

OMFG how did you make this pic I tried but it didn't go well :-X

 

 

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so basically without T4 passive 151 fighter and 149 pike have equal HP? lol

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Yes, this.

 

People don't see this char just have more and more advantages and no cons (or see and want keep as this), and try to say "ah bla bla bla wait sandurr release all skills, bla bla bla". Excuse to stay with a OP class for more and more months/years.

[Rhyax 0]

When Shadow Clone comes out, it will buff pike's hunting abillity.

Then he will be nerfed. Pikes will be nerfed. T5 doesn't matter that much.

 

FS' fire axe descreases HP over time. Another thing to sacrifice.

 

[neog 10]

Perfectly said.

And great drawing also

 

For those pikes who still don't think PS is OP try to imagine a situation where you are inside the battle area with 1h and defensive buffs and one mec 25 levels bellow you comes and kills you with one hit.

Would you consider that normal?

I guess not, but that is normal when the one attacking is a PS and the other one is not.

And I'm talking about a char with 8.1k def, 440 abs (ms with tanker buffs).

[sharman 0]

Every char  have their own advantage and their own disadvantage.

Pikeman:

BC: they are the best 1v1 char in this server because they have AE and ice( which is the strongest 1x1 skill in this server), but War to bring out the maximum damg you have to follow and AE your enemy all the time which is very boring...

Hunt: badly,use Pot

Sod: Bad

Exp: Bad

That's why Pikeman are the best 1v1 char in BC, and that is the case pike 14x sometimes can kill 15x ( its all about LUCK not SKILLS.)

 

Fighter:

BC: they are the best WAR char in this server, because they have ROAR( which is the strongest defensive skills in this server)  they have most decent and balance damge in this server, they have the damg both with 1 handed and 2 handed, and they more advantage with VL. ( in case of x1... I rarely LOSE to any pike +1,2 levels above me, with the same items and  with VL.)

Hunt: bad

Sod: badly

Exp: bad

That's why Fighter are the best WAR char in BC.

 

Knight:

Bc: they are doing a decent damg with 2 handed, but with 1handed they don't have damg,( they have Godly Shield, for me is the strongest buffs skills for 1 handed)  I think Knight used to be 1 of the most balance char  in this server, But I THINK GM NEED TO BUFFS SOME SKILLS, STATS FOR KNIGHT TO DO QUEST.

hunt: they can hunt but CAN NOT do Quest.

Sod : badly.

Exp :  can exp low lvl, high level CAN'T do Q nor exp map

Gm need to buffs some skill or stats for Knight and let Knight able to do Q.( really Hard...)

 

Mech:

BC: with  perfect Gear, Mech only second to Pikeman in x1 and Second to FS in War.( because of the Crit/ instinct death of GS) The only problems with Mech is you have to Max your gear with full defense. Never use 2 handed ( get a bow or jav for 2 handed) Because with maximize items, The only 2 skills are you have to worry about is JC and CS ( which is 1 hit K-O with CRIT)

Hunt: good.

Quest : tank or lure.

SOD: tank

Exp:  Tank or Lure.

for me, right now I think Mech are the better version of Knight. ( with max items, there is no way Knight is better than Mech atm)

 

Atalanta

BC: Good at  both War and x1(but its take some time to kill a enemy), because they  are range classes. they have good damg, good defense, useful skill : Frost jav, Strike shield. for me, Atalanta is the best and most well balance char right now.

hunt: good/Top

Quest: Top

Sod: good

exp: Good ( both ad3 and Q)

 

Archer:

Bc: like Atalanta, Archer are both good at War but I consider it's weaker in x1 than Ata( because 1 handed bow are weaker than jav) But is got advantage of longer stunt. Fastest char in this server, but one of the weakest ( def) in this server.

Hunt: good/Top

Quest: Top ( I prefer ata because ata can take more damg)

Sod: Good with team, and ALONE

Exp: ( only Quest)

 

Priest:

BC: Buff chars. ( most important chars:P)

Hunt: Top ( undead only)

Quest:  Lure.

Sod: Top

Exp: Top

 

Magician:

BC : Best Overall chars for BC. ( used to be most annoying Char in BC but thank to PRIEST ICE METEORITE  Mages disto are USELESS)

Hunt: good but boring.

Quest: I don't think Mage can do Q???

Sod: Top.

Exp Top.

 

 

this is my opinion, if you see something is not right or you have another ideas I'm more than happy to take your feedback

Ti.

[Doug 1]

Ti you wrong in a thing, ALL char can do sod  ;D

 

I can do 13,5kk in sod with my arch ALONE

[KoRnzxk 0]

  On 10/29/2014 at 3:30 PM, sharman said:

Every char  have their own advantage and their own disadvantage.

Pikeman:

BC: they are the best 1v1 char in this server because they have AE and ice( which is the strongest 1x1 skill in this server), but War to bring out the maximum damg you have to follow and AE your enemy all the time which is very boring...

Hunt, Sod,Exp: they can not hunt , SOD nor exp.

That's why Pikeman are the best 1v1 char in BC, and that is the case pike 14x sometimes can kill 15x ( its all about LUCK not SKILLS.)

 

Fighter:

BC: they are the best WAR char in this server, because they have ROAR( which is the strongest defensive skills in this server) they have most decent and balance damge in this server, they have the damg both with 1 handed and 2 handed, and they more advantage with VL. ( in case of x1... I rarely LOSE to any pike +1,2 levels above me, with the same items and  with VL.)

Hunt: badly

Sod,Exp: Fighter can not Sod nor Exp.

That's why Fighter are the best WAR char in BC.

 

Knight:

Bc: they are doing a decent damg with 2 handed, but with 1handed they don't have damg,( they have Godly Shield, for me is the strongest buffs skills for 1 handed)  I think Knight used to be 1 of the most balance char  in this server, But I THINK GM NEED TO BUFFS SOME SKILLS, STATS FOR KNIGHT TO DO QUEST.

hunt: they can hunt but CANT do Quest.

Sod : badly.

Exp :  can exp low lvl, high level CAN'T do Q.

Gm need to buffs some skill or stats for Knight and let Knight able to do Q

 

Mech:

BC: with  perfect Gear, Mech only second to Pikeman in x1 and Second to FS in War.( because of the Crit/ instinct death of GS) The only problems with Mech is you have to Max your gear with full defense. Never use 2 handed ( get a bow or jav for 2 handed) Because with maximize items, The only 2 skills are you have to worry about is JC and CS ( which is 1 hit K-O with CRIT)

Hunt: good.

Quest : tank or lure.

SOD: tank

Exp:  Tank or Lure.

for me, right now I think Mech are the better version of Knight. ( with max items, there is no way Knight is better than Mech atm)

 

Atalanta

BC: Good at  both War and x1(but its take some time to kill a enemy), because they  are range classes. they have good damg, good defense, useful skill : Frost jav, Strike shield. for me, Atalanta is the best and most well balance char right now.

hunt: good/Top

Quest: Top

Sod: good

exp: Good ( both ad3 and Q)

 

Archer:

Bc: like Atalanta, Archer are both good at War but I consider it's weaker in x1 than Ata( because 1 handed bow are weaker than jav) But is got advantage of longer stunt. Fastest char in this server, but one of the weakest ( def) in this server.

Hunt: good/Top

Quest: Top ( I prefer ata because ata can take more damg)

Sod: Good with team.

Exp: ( only Quest)

 

Priest:

BC: Buff chars. ( most important chars:P)

Hunt: Top ( undead only)

Quest:  Lure.

Sod: Top

Exp: Top

 

Magician:

BC : Best Overall chars for BC. ( used to be most annoying Char in BC but thank to PRIEST ICE METEORITE  Mages disto are USELESS)

Hunt: good but boring.

Quest: I don't think Mage can do Q???

Sod: Top.

Exp Top.

 

 

this is my opinion, if you see something is not right or you have another ideas I'm more than happy to take your feedback

Ti.

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Fs Best in War? Lol Just joke only because have roar? ks and fs They are the worst fs don't have critic,.have nice dmg but not critical Strongest devensive skill ? die for 1 split  die for ps x13,  only tank with vl  As have stun/ ata Too Ps have ice / prs Too /mgs distorc  and you talk  fs is the best  only for roar ? and fs is good for hunt  ...have nice dmg but not critical 

[KoRnzxk 0]

I think that not having  FS affect your view  :-X :-X :-X  First you need to play a fighter to know  well what is going to speak

[sharman 0]

  On 10/29/2014 at 3:42 PM, KoRnzxk said:

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Every char  have their own advantage and their own disadvantage.

Pikeman:

BC: they are the best 1v1 char in this server because they have AE and ice( which is the strongest 1x1 skill in this server), but War to bring out the maximum damg you have to follow and AE your enemy all the time which is very boring...

Hunt, Sod,Exp: they can not hunt , SOD nor exp.

That's why Pikeman are the best 1v1 char in BC, and that is the case pike 14x sometimes can kill 15x ( its all about LUCK not SKILLS.)

 

Fighter:

BC: they are the best WAR char in this server, because they have ROAR( which is the strongest defensive skills in this server) they have most decent and balance damge in this server, they have the damg both with 1 handed and 2 handed, and they more advantage with VL. ( in case of x1... I rarely LOSE to any pike +1,2 levels above me, with the same items and  with VL.)

Hunt: badly

Sod,Exp: Fighter can not Sod nor Exp.

That's why Fighter are the best WAR char in BC.

 

Knight:

Bc: they are doing a decent damg with 2 handed, but with 1handed they don't have damg,( they have Godly Shield, for me is the strongest buffs skills for 1 handed)  I think Knight used to be 1 of the most balance char  in this server, But I THINK GM NEED TO BUFFS SOME SKILLS, STATS FOR KNIGHT TO DO QUEST.

hunt: they can hunt but CANT do Quest.

Sod : badly.

Exp :  can exp low lvl, high level CAN'T do Q.

Gm need to buffs some skill or stats for Knight and let Knight able to do Q

 

Mech:

BC: with  perfect Gear, Mech only second to Pikeman in x1 and Second to FS in War.( because of the Crit/ instinct death of GS) The only problems with Mech is you have to Max your gear with full defense. Never use 2 handed ( get a bow or jav for 2 handed) Because with maximize items, The only 2 skills are you have to worry about is JC and CS ( which is 1 hit K-O with CRIT)

Hunt: good.

Quest : tank or lure.

SOD: tank

Exp:  Tank or Lure.

for me, right now I think Mech are the better version of Knight. ( with max items, there is no way Knight is better than Mech atm)

 

Atalanta

BC: Good at  both War and x1(but its take some time to kill a enemy), because they  are range classes. they have good damg, good defense, useful skill : Frost jav, Strike shield. for me, Atalanta is the best and most well balance char right now.

hunt: good/Top

Quest: Top

Sod: good

exp: Good ( both ad3 and Q)

 

Archer:

Bc: like Atalanta, Archer are both good at War but I consider it's weaker in x1 than Ata( because 1 handed bow are weaker than jav) But is got advantage of longer stunt. Fastest char in this server, but one of the weakest ( def) in this server.

Hunt: good/Top

Quest: Top ( I prefer ata because ata can take more damg)

Sod: Good with team.

Exp: ( only Quest)

 

Priest:

BC: Buff chars. ( most important chars:P)

Hunt: Top ( undead only)

Quest:  Lure.

Sod: Top

Exp: Top

 

Magician:

BC : Best Overall chars for BC. ( used to be most annoying Char in BC but thank to PRIEST ICE METEORITE  Mages disto are USELESS)

Hunt: good but boring.

Quest: I don't think Mage can do Q???

Sod: Top.

Exp Top.

 

 

this is my opinion, if you see something is not right or you have another ideas I'm more than happy to take your feedback

Ti.

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Fs Best in War? Lol Just joke only because have roar? ks and fs They are the worst fs don't have critic,.have nice dmg but not critical Strongest devensive skill ? die for 1 split  die for ps x13,  only tank with vl  As have stun/ ata Too Ps have ice / prs Too /mgs distorc  and you talk  fs is the best  only for roar ? and fs is good for hunt  ...have nice dmg but not critical

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like I said, its my opinion. I has play both PS and FS, and I think FS is A LOT stronger than Pikeman in War. Fighter is the only chars in war that you can kill 3,4 enemies in a short time( thank you ROAR) And I think Fighter are the char with the Most decent and damge of all. ( Pikeman depend too much on AE and Vanish)  FS all they have to do is SA,IS,Ber then coming out battle with AC and DT, not like pike you have to vanish all the time and Ae all the time ( which is very boring for me:( )

[sharman 0]

  On 10/29/2014 at 3:49 PM, KoRnzxk said:

I think that not having  FS affect your view  :-X :-X :-X  First you need to play a fighter to know  well what is going to speak

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I have been playing Fighter before you have ever know what is  Pris ton Tale.

[KoRnzxk 0]

Hmmmm Fight best to ps?  :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X fs best in war  :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X i think u need see top char pvp ps 142 full items can kill fs 151 full items  and u talk fight have chance to kill ps in 1x1? same lvl and items fs have 21-28% critic  in game pike and 2xxx atk rtg ps have 100-101% critic and 3xxx atk rating fs have 0% evade ps have 23%

[LotonTow 0]

  On 10/29/2014 at 6:52 AM, neog said:

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you all forget 1 thing

full t5 didnt come out yet,

once all the chars have a full t5 skill

then talk about nerf if will need .

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http://www.realmpt.net/videos/5

 

Do you know this? Have you ever watched this video?

Tell me, when did they release this?

 

Are you serious on that t5 bullshit?

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well its not our fault right ??

did you see the skills that miss to as/knight/ and fruiting fs?

also ata and ms miss skills

 

so ya need fruiting wait for t5 for all chars

then talk about nerf

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Now I finally agree with you. The balance should be done after the T5 is released.

But let's be honest, is anyone here expecting T5 to be released anytime soon?

Apart from few bug fixes and server issues nothing has been done in this server for ages.

So, in my opinion, the admin should balance the classes now (which is fast and simple) and review it when new T5 skills are released (which might never happen).

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we all want better server and balanced  but from anohter side need to understand that each class have  + and -  so in this case will be useless to nerf ps or improve ohters class,  i think will be just better to wait for all t5 come ( hope soon) and then will be more easy to admins / gms  to check all class when all t5 out.

 

right now    ps maybe best in pvp  but fs / ms / ata and as  very good as well

and mage full dnt mage gear also op

so realy just need to wait for t5 and then see

 

[Ices 18]

  On 10/29/2014 at 3:30 PM, sharman said:

Every char  have their own advantage and their own disadvantage.

Pikeman:

BC: they are the best 1v1 char in this server because they have AE and ice( which is the strongest 1x1 skill in this server), but War to bring out the maximum damg you have to follow and AE your enemy all the time which is very boring...

Hunt, Sod,Exp: they can not hunt , SOD nor exp.

That's why Pikeman are the best 1v1 char in BC, and that is the case pike 14x sometimes can kill 15x ( its all about LUCK not SKILLS.)

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Alright, they have to follow their victims, but always (or 1/2 times) pikes got the 'critical' hit and if he dont get, will have the +80% increase damage for 1st hit. Also, pikemans have attack rating like rangers, so the chance of fail hits isn't too high. Isn't about lucky.

 

They can hunt, seriously, if you guys think the 'problem' is because they need use crystals... Every hunt map drop so much crystals and really, crystals is too cheap in NPC. I already tried hunt with PS and i know what i'm talking about, they aren't the BEST HUNTER but they can kill mob fast and efficient. And when they get released (maybe in 2017 lol) Shadow Clone they will have a pet atleast. Try go hunt with a MGS and you will see what is a char who can't do a decent hunt with 1x1 skills.

 

About EXP, nowadays pikemans is getting killer slots because of high range of tornado plus the poison skill, so, this isn't a problem.

 

 

[sharman 0]

  On 10/29/2014 at 3:55 PM, KoRnzxk said:

Hmmmm Fight best to ps?  :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X fs best in war  :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X i think u need see top char pvp ps 142 full items can kill fs 151 full items  and u talk fight have chance to kill ps in 1x1? same lvl and items fs have 21-28% critic  in game pike and 2xxx atk rtg ps have 100-101% critic and 3xxx atk rating fs have 0% evade ps have 23%

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you have to understand my point....WAR by me i meant  the aver. kill on a battle/ minute

Pikeman you can not include war because PS only Vanish AE SM or CS then Run...

[Ices 18]

  On 10/29/2014 at 4:03 PM, sharman said:

you have to understand my point....WAR by me i meant  the aver. kill on a battle/ minute

Pikeman you can not include war because PS only Vanish AE SM or CS then Run...

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Ok, they get the average bp points, but we aren't talking about damage dealed by fighters (constant damage of fighters is great higher than pikemans) but we are talking about the tankability of pikemans with 1 handed or 2 handed weapons + this vanish overpowered with a high attack rating, and other melees don't get even close to this.