When will mechs stop being fked up?

[Gogg 3]

Maybe it's just me...

 

C'mon!! My lvl116 fighter tank better than my mech >__>

 

lvl123, 3.9k def, 285 abs... I thought that should tank something, eh?

Tried out the mech on BC and that was dying EASILY. So I tested it... HEH Sabotage was able to knock me down with 1 CL!! I'm not talking about 1 time, it was happening ALWAYS!

 

Check that out please

 

 

I'd like to know if Maximize got fixed too <__<

[lelekas 0]

Yes,

Mech skill must be fixed please, i killed one mech 12x by 1 cl 

[martual 1]

Yes,

Mech skill must be fixed please, i killed one mech 12x by 1 cl 

 

maybe bring down PS skill?

[arthur~ 7]

i dont think so bro, just fix the skill of mech's, will be usefull like always \o

[swingegg 0]

i dont think so bro, just fix the skill of mech's, will be usefull like always \o

yeah.

if you complain mech,what about pris and mage?

[Gogg 3]

i dont think so bro, just fix the skill of mech's, will be usefull like always \o

yeah.

if you complain mech,what about pris and mage?

About them: they make their own topic, because I don't care~

 

Mechs are fked up since I started playing here, and when there's a try to make it worth it just don't work

[swingegg 0]

pristontale is unbalanced,if you go bc, choose other char.

that is simple.

[December 0]

is the worst class

[Gogg 3]

pristontale is unbalanced,if you go bc, choose other char.

that is simple.

GTFO of here

 

You can't understand a fkin word

 

Let's say that all again

 

DEFENSE: 3900

ABS: 285

 

TANKING POWER = NONE

Including +11% block added from Extreme Shield

 

HOW THE HELL SOMETHING WITH LOWER STATS THAN THAT (a lot lower) CAN TANK WAY BETTER?!

[Mercury 0]

HP? That is also something that contributes to tanking.

 

And Maximize? What is the problem with that skill?

[Gogg 3]

Take a fighter, a knight, a pike... any meele

 

The difference on the HP to a mech will be pretty small. Really really small. But the difference on def and abs will be big. If you try out, like I did, any other char against Sabotage too I'm sure they won't get killed every single time by 1 (yes, one. Just one!) Chain Lancer. And I'm talking about taking down with one single skill, ALL TIME, 955 hp of a char with 3897 def, 285 abs, 42% block, while chars with less than 3k def and half of the abs I got (with hp around 1k) can at least tank it

 

EDIT: oh yea, almost forgot! It wasn't even critical hits, when the HP drop twice. Was 1 hit K.O. >__>

 

Maybe that's just happening with me, that's why it needs to be checked

 

 

Now about Maximize: it just don't work with Grand Smash, the only attacking skill of mechs, what makes Power Mech a pointless build. Wartale already knew about that and said that would be fixed, just wanna know if that's ready

[Mercury 0]

Will check later today

[davv 2]

gogg its not just you, i feel terribly weak in BC also.

 

my stats :

276 abs

3837 def

1058 hp

 

open for testing

[December 0]

mechs are  overpowered in defense

while other classes have 3200def  & 150+ abs

[swingegg 0]

mechs are  overpowered in defense

while other classes have 3200def  & 150+ abs

totally agree.

[Khyron 0]

Insulting and being rude to people doesn't help Gogg.

 

If you think about it and look at the skills, using them will make that one attack be the most devastating ever. A little guide to help. It tells what can link with what:

 

http://ept1.blogspot.com/2008/03/pikeman-skills.html

 

If I recall right, If a pikeman uses the right skills, his CL attack will bypass armor. It'll become armor piercing and ignore defense/abs. CL can also be used fully while VANISH is on.

 

Let's see.. Expansion + Vanish (100% damage pre-emptive strike at lv 10) + Critical master (10) + Assasins eye (Adds 70% extra damage) + CL (55% damage boost)

 

So let's see..

 

Expansion lv 10 gives 100% weapon mass and 65% damage boost

Vanish lv 10 gives 100% Damage boost

Critical Mastery 10 gives 16% added critical

Assasins Eye lv 10 gives 46% added critical

CL is 55% damage boost

Also we're looking at Vanish making a hit 100% happen.

 

Critical hits bypass armor and abs.

 

So we're looking at.. 330% (220 + 100% more damage for the weapon mass increase) damage + 62% critical (add it to weapon critical) and the fact that CL can be used when VANISHED... Oh chain lance and charging strike can be used while completely vanished.

 

if I factored it right, you got hit by a CRITICAL (armor piercing/ABS bypassing) blow with enough damage to kill you.

 

Mechs are not useless like you say. If you know how to play a Mech right, it'll be the best character. Just like a ATA would. Each class has it's strengths and weaknesses.

 

it boils down to Pikes once they get t3/t4 are ASSASINS aka Killers like they were meant to be.

 

Bless Castle was never balanced anyways. it's all in how you play.

 

Mechs need to be built a certain way and they aren't guaranted tanks. Atas are better tanks.

[Rkokie 6]

Insulting and being rude to people doesn't help Gogg.

 

If you think about it and look at the skills, using them will make that one attack be the most devastating ever. A little guide to help. It tells what can link with what:

 

http://ept1.blogspot.com/2008/03/pikeman-skills.html

 

If I recall right, If a pikeman uses the right skills, his CL attack will bypass armor. It'll become armor piercing and ignore defense/abs. CL can also be used fully while VANISH is on.

 

Let's see.. Expansion + Vanish (100% damage pre-emptive strike at lv 10) + Critical master (10) + Assasins eye (Adds 70% extra damage) + CL (55% damage boost)

 

So let's see..

 

Expansion lv 10 gives 100% weapon mass and 65% damage boost

Vanish lv 10 gives 100% Damage boost

Critical Mastery 10 gives 16% added critical

Assasins Eye lv 10 gives 46% added critical

CL is 55% damage boost

Also we're looking at Vanish making a hit 100% happen.

 

Critical hits bypass armor and abs.

 

So we're looking at.. 330% (220 + 100% more damage for the weapon mass increase) damage + 62% critical (add it to weapon critical) and the fact that CL can be used when VANISHED... Oh chain lance and charging strike can be used while completely vanished.

 

if I factored it right, you got hit by a CRITICAL (armor piercing/ABS bypassing) blow with enough damage to kill you.

 

Mechs are not useless like you say. If you know how to play a Mech right, it'll be the best character. Just like a ATA would. Each class has it's strengths and weaknesses.

 

it boils down to Pikes once they get t3/t4 are ASSASINS aka Killers like they were meant to be.

 

Bless Castle was never balanced anyways. it's all in how you play.

 

Mechs need to be built a certain way and they aren't guaranted tanks. Atas are better tanks.

 

You are stating alot of things here but you miss some points,

 

He's telling that he dies in 1 cl, without critical hits and other characters with less defense & absorb and a slightly higher Health won't die in 1 cl.

 

So if I follow your story, he should actually survive it better then the other char since it isn't hitting critical which doesn't bypass armor and abs...

[davv 2]

exactly. on the stats panel we can see more def/abs than others, but we die easier

so, something is wrong.

[Howdy 0]

mechs are  overpowered in defense

while other classes have 3200def  & 150+ abs

 

They are supposed to be the Tank class of this game, so I couldn't disagree more.

 

While they have nearly 4k def and 200 abs, they still die to one single CL, I mean, what the f*ck?

 

Rkokie said:

 

"Critical hits bypass armor and abs."

 

If thats true, well... then the entire game fight mechanics should be rebalanced. 'Cause if that's true, this is just ridiculous. What's the point of having 10k defense + 500 abs if here comes a Pikey with more than 50% crit chances and screw a Mech with a single shot?

 

He said said:

 

"Mechs are not useless like you say. If you know how to play a Mech right, it'll be the best character. Just like a ATA would. Each class has it's strengths and weaknesses. "

 

Well, this may be true in PvE, but I have to disagree with that when it comes to PvP, bro.

 

Gogg if you wanna have fun and kick ass in PvP, my suggestion is: play another game. Pristontale's PvP is all about Fighter and Pike. We all know that.

 

I'd suggest WoW, even tho it's PvP is also unbalanced, it's nowhere unbalanced like PT is lol.

 

And there the rule "if you know how to play a class right, it'll be the best character" applies. Every single char of that game have potencials to kill any other class.

 

Anyways, it's just my opnion.

 

 

[aydinerkan 1]

but this bug only appears on rpt? because i remember mechs on ept which were invincible

[Howdy 0]

but this bug only appears on rpt? because i remember mechs on ept which were invincible

 

Truth.

 

I also remember back in my glorious ePT days lol Mech were one of the few classes that had a chance against Pike. They actually did not die (most of the times, at least) to a single CL.

[aydinerkan 1]

howdy, familliar name , ept awell?

[Rehv 0]

Well I agree with that.

 

The truth is, mech CAN'T be damaged with the skills/absorb/defense working as planned. I've had a server 4 fun a while ago, and simply made 2 GM char with every gear in max level. Guess what... CL done NONE to 15% hp damage on mech... and with CS +- like that too because it would miss ALOT.

 

So, yeah, it can't be like it was supposed to be at the beggining. But it can't be like it is as now too BUT as it envolves reprogramming the game's core which is too much trouble and could mess up with all classes, don't know what I would want to be done

[Howdy 0]

howdy, familliar name , ept awell?

 

Precisely. I was a Mech there. You?

 

Well I agree with that.

 

The truth is, mech CAN'T be damaged with the skills/absorb/defense working as planned. I've had a server 4 fun a while ago, and simply made 2 GM char with every gear in max level. Guess what... CL done NONE to 15% hp damage on mech... and with CS +- like that too because it would miss ALOT.

 

So, yeah, it can't be like it was supposed to be at the beggining. But it can't be like it is as now too BUT as it envolves reprogramming the game's core which is too much trouble and could mess up with all classes, don't know what I would want to be done

 

Exactly, Rehv. I remember that with all the Mech sh*t ON Pikey did little to zero damage to me. I actually could kill a pike, but it would take some time of fighting, since Mechs can't do that much damage. They generally would just run away from me, since they couldn't kill me and I couldn't kill them fast enough! LOL! And yeah, the reason why no pike could kill me easilly was 'cause they would miss at least 1 of 3 CL's hits.

[aydinerkan 1]

howdy, familliar name , ept awell?

 

Precisely. I was a Mech there. You?

 

Well I agree with that.

 

The truth is, mech CAN'T be damaged with the skills/absorb/defense working as planned. I've had a server 4 fun a while ago, and simply made 2 GM char with every gear in max level. Guess what... CL done NONE to 15% hp damage on mech... and with CS +- like that too because it would miss ALOT.

 

So, yeah, it can't be like it was supposed to be at the beggining. But it can't be like it is as now too BUT as it envolves reprogramming the game's core which is too much trouble and could mess up with all classes, don't know what I would want to be done

 

Exactly, Rehv. I remember that with all the Mech sh*t ON Pikey did little to zero damage to me. I actually could kill a pike, but it would take some time of fighting, since Mechs can't do that much damage. They generally would just run away from me, since they couldn't kill me and I couldn't kill them fast enough! LOL! And yeah, the reason why no pike could kill me easilly was 'cause they would miss at least 1 of 3 CL's hits.

 

striderl, pike