New rule has to be made

[starmagic 0]

I know that they deleveled but thats not the point.

 

The point is before they got deleveled they got reported countless times and no action taken.

How do you expected people to believe that this kind of thing will never happen again ?

 

And if gm do not legalize account trading ?

Whats this ? http://www.realmpt.com/forum/index.php?topic=17796.0

[Guest TFSE]

It just means we know that they have been traded.

[Guest TFSE]

http://www.realmpt.com/forum/index.php?topic=12899.0

[Toppe 0]

I understand. By then we had not set clear rules about auto/bot but that's fixed now. So I don't really understand the mis faith in us.

 

Oh I missunderstood legalization with support. Sure you can trade your account but that at your own risk and the "confirmation" is just a way for us to know a bit of whats going on so if there's a scammer we can track the trades

[starmagic 0]

Okay thanks for filled me about account trading.

But my personal opinion it would be better to stop the confirmation because it does promote account trading and account trading promotes auto/bot.

 

About the misfaith I believe the best solution and bring back faith to the people is remove the special rule but if you still need it I suggest this.

"Staff reserves the right to punish a player for any reason, not just those described here, if they see fit, however we do not use this as an exception for privilege not to be punish or lighter punishment, everyone playing under the same rules"

 

Also change rules to this form.

 

Kill Stealing (KS)

KSing once or twice will not be punished, if you however KS another player continuously it is not tolerated

 

1st time punishment : 3-Day Ban

2rd time punishment : 5-Day Ban

3rd time punishment : 7-Day Ban

 

Instead of miimum and maximun punishment.

[Guest TFSE]

Your current understanding of the "special rule" is wrong. We use it if there are severe cases and we have to punish over a maximum punishment. We don't use it to exempt people. Just because we did not state that (and just because you read it as a form of corruption) does not mean that we are privileging donators or anyone else.

 

aka. We already use it in the way that you have suggested, but we simply did not word it that way.

[starmagic 0]

Then add the sentences I suggested I dont see any harm from it.

 

It will restore faith of people to GMs too.

[Guest TFSE]

I guess we could change the wording if there are other people out there who read it and think we're corrupted when it's actually them who misunderstands. Ok. Agree.

[[S]IL 5]

Have you ever been ksed before, my dear starmagic ? =]]

[Intensify 0]

We understand your point, but it also depends on what kind of hacking.

Say someone trying to use a tool for 5 min and gain infite hp for 5 min before server auto ban him.

Compare that with someone who did use auto from lvl 100-105, which harms the server the most?

IMO the auto player. Heavy hacking already ends up with IP ban.

 

 

@topic starter

Quite funny to see a guy that used an auto level tool himself post under another name

 

 

Yup, i used PT Auto leveler coded in VB6 ... problem is, as soon as i open the program it was auto detected, but i didnt gain ANY levels or even 1% that entire time, oh but perm ban me! but leave all the hackers to do w/e the fuck they want.

 

Fair system.... not

 

Rules should not be any case of macro = perm ban, some cases of hacking perm = ban

 

Should be this: If macro program is detected, give warning with disconnect and message pop up, after 3 warning, perm ban, if caught using a macro, perm ban.

 

Any form of hacking should be PERM BAN, were talking about hacks here.. not a simple macro program anyone can set up, people are actually using tools to get your game/server offsets,record packets, and what u guys do is punish the simple macro users but barely the hackers?

 

Sure i understand if someone macros from lets say level 100-101 they should be perm banned, but for simply having a program detected for 3 seconds is just stupid.

 

I deserve to be unbanned and so does anyone who got auto detected and banned after 3 seconds, hell if i knew i would have been auto detected i would have went on google, downloaded a bunch of hacks, get myself to level 110, oh and look... 20 day ban LOL thats aweseome only 20 day ban and i got even more exp then i would have from the macro!

 

Do you see the problem here?

 

Do you know how annoying it is grinding for hours just so you can get banned for trying something that wont even effect anyone?

[Guest TFSE]

I'm sorry, let me try and understand what's happening here.

 

You are a botter.

You wanted to bot inwtbut before you could do it you were banned.

 

Now you are here whining because you are a botter and you got banned because you had a auto tool already running, but because you used an outdated tool you were caught before you could cheat.

 

And now you're calling injustice just because a cheater like yourself didn't get a chance to cheat?

 

Seriously?

 

FYI. If you had DLed such a hack (like you claimed you would have) your case would have been severe enough to warrant a perm ban anyway.

 

 

We won't change the rules for you. And knowing that you're a botter the community wouldn't back your case either. After all they were the ones that lobbied for a perm ban on auto and botters, and we simply listened to them.

 

If anything, we will change hacking to a perm ban as well.

 

For your case, though. I suggest playing on a new char with a clean slate.

[Intensify 0]

I'm sorry, let me try and understand what's happening here.

 

You are a botter.

You wanted to bot inwtbut before you could do it you were banned.

 

Now you are here whining because you are a botter and you got banned because you had a auto tool already running, but because you used an outdated tool you were caught before you could cheat.

 

And now you're calling injustice just because a cheater like yourself didn't get a chance to cheat?

 

Seriously?

 

FYI. If you had DLed such a hack (like you claimed you would have) your case would have been severe enough to warrant a perm ban anyway.

 

 

We won't change the rules for you. And knowing that you're a botter the community wouldn't back your case either. After all they were the ones that lobbied for a perm ban on auto and botters, and we simply listened to them.

 

If anything, we will change hacking to a perm ban as well.

 

For your case, though. I suggest playing on a new char with a clean slate.

 

My case was already perm ban, im saying if I would have hacked i would have got more out of it since there less punishment, and ive already made a char and accepted my ban, im not whining im simply making a point, and NO i wasnt trying to bot, how would i bot in cursed temple 2f without a regen hack or something at level 105? answer that, i had it on for a second because my hand was tired, but i was still using pots so its like i wasnt even botting but i still get a ban for it, its easy for you to say, OH U TRIED TO BOT PERM BAN HAHAHA! but... i know not to bot, which is why i stayed by my computer using potions, it was only on for 3-5 seconds anyways, this point of my posts is not to whine and hope to get unbanned but to make you guys see that your rules make absolutely no sense whatsoever.

 

hacker = reward

macro = perm ban

 

lol?

[Guest TFSE]

We changed the rules because the community asked for it.

 

Should the community ask for it again we will reconsider the rules again.

[aydinerkan 1]

we suggested the ban on macro because it was really getting out of hand, almost every spawn in MD1/2/3 was taken by a botter

[Intensify 0]

I agree that botters need to be banned, but i think there should be certain factors to it just like hackers.. Like i said before, if Auto Detected, give atleast 1 warning before ban, if, lets say someone gets screen shots of someone botting for over 5 minutes? for sure perm ban, but i had no intention of hogging up a spawn and staying there all night getting EXP with a bot/macro.

[aydinerkan 1]

in the end its the same thing if it gets auto detected or not, that person still tried to use it while they know its not allowed

[Intensify 0]

Ok but lots of people do things they know there not supposed to do and still endup getting unbanned or not even getting banned

 

I know this would probably never happen but what if.....

 

Someone had a auto/macro program open they didnt know about (NOTE MACRO PROGRAMS ARE USED FOR ALOT MORE THEN VIDEO GAMES TRUST ME)

 

They were playing PT at the same time

 

They accidentally hit the ON button

 

Auto Ban...

 

 

ESPECIALLY since when you are auto detected, you dont even have 5 seconds to get exp... So what advantage do you have doing that?

 

You can all disagree with me but i think its more then fair to have atleast a warning to auto detections, all other macro/hacker cases perm ban, this way just isnt fair

[Guest TFSE]

Firstly I would like to apologize if I sounded harsh in my earlier post.

 

Second, I would like to point out to you that if you are lobbying for a "second chance" rule for botter/auto-clickers, you are fighting a losing battle.

 

You must be relatively new. Let me explain why your requests are futile.

 

Awhile back, the rules used to be like you had suggested. We supported a clemency based approach for botters. We gave second chances.

 

However, the community disagree-ed with this, as there were several botters that abused that rule and gained high level characters. There was a poll, and lots of debate. Majority of the community wanted a perm ban for botters.

 

So we changed it.

 

Your suggestion now comes late, and against all that the community had lobbied for earlier.

 

I hope you understand now.

 

[Gogg 3]

Take care with what you're doing!

 

Permanent ban for hackers and hacking attempts sounds fine to me, but macro still deserve permanent ban aswell

[Intensify 0]

Firstly I would like to apologize if I sounded harsh in my earlier post.

 

Second, I would like to point out to you that if you are lobbying for a "second chance" rule for botter/auto-clickers, you are fighting a losing battle.

 

You must be relatively new. Let me explain why your requests are futile.

 

Awhile back, the rules used to be like you had suggested. We supported a clemency based approach for botters. We gave second chances.

 

However, the community disagree-ed with this, as there were several botters that abused that rule and gained high level characters. There was a poll, and lots of debate. Majority of the community wanted a perm ban for botters.

 

So we changed it.

 

Your suggestion now comes late, and against all that the community had lobbied for earlier.

 

I hope you understand now.

 

I have already stated that i have accepted my ban, i didnt post this in the Request Unban section nore am i trying to change the rules in order to get myself unbaned.

 

And I think you misunderstand what i said, i agree 100% the choice RPT has made to ban botters/macro and not give a second chance, however auto detection just seems like a whole different topic, as i said above you could be banned without even knowing it if in that situation, all i think there should be is a warning before auto ban thats ALL, does nobody agree with me on this?

[Intensify 0]

Just close this thread already none of you get what im saying and none of you are open to new ideas regarding bots/macros

 

So forget it

[Guest TFSE]

I believe our approach to that is:

 

If someone has read the server rules carefully then they would not run any third party programs at all, regardless of their intention to use it or not.

[Intensify 0]

There should be a warning to auto detection, would just be a nice thing to do.. It would give that person the message to not bot and also, you wont have to ban someone who spent so much time leveling legit..

 

There are no negative consequences if you were to add 1 warning before the auto ban (from auto detection of macro)

 

It would just be nicer to the people like me who made stupid mistakes

 

Actually, one warning would be way better because, i would know to never use a bot/macro again, and also, id still have my account i worked on, in the end, i learn the exact same lesson, except if it were a warning before auto ban, id still have my character

 

I know what your thinking.. "There is rules, why would you need a warning, rules are your warning"

 

Because i never knew there was a Auto Ban, and since i wasnt really autoing (i was there at my computer using pots while the macro script ran for 5 seconds then i got auto perm banned)

i didnt think it was possible for me to get banned, of cource this is my fault for using the program but a warning would not hurt, and would be nice.

 

Another thing i just thought of, since it is auto blocked, you could just hack someones pc, open the macro on that persons pc, start it, and boom auto ban

 

There are many other examples that this 1 warning would help for.. Like if i went to my friends house, installed PT, and realized he had a macro on his comp running for other purposes, i would be banned on the spot, however if there was a warning, i could be like shit im getting off your pc bro cya..

 

 

[starmagic 0]

Your idea is invalid.

 

For me its pretty much same story as "I lets my brother/sister/etc who's only (number here) years old and cant speak english only know to push one button lets me out!!".

Legit people will always stay legit they will never use bot/macro.

 

For me the warning system is like you're about getting catch stop use this program or find new one that undetected by server so you wont get ban.

With following reasons I'm disagreed with warning system.

[RandAlthor 0]

Your idea is invalid.

 

For me its pretty much same story as "I lets my brother/sister/etc who's only (number here) years old and cant speak english only know to push one button lets me out!!".

Legit people will always stay legit they will never use bot/macro.

 

For me the warning system is like you're about getting catch stop use this program or find new one that undetected by server so you wont get ban.

With following reasons I'm disagreed with warning system.

 

Agreed.