This is why PvP is boring.

[DarkLink64 921]

2 hours ago, druakiin said:

omg i see a lot of tears :)

when the "ks" was the best char he never said anything, now that he got a little power down he cries every moment, even after having lowered it a little, they are still broken, every day I see how many tank, kill easily the class that supposedly is more broken, if supposedly this class is so broken, kill too much with 1 single hit, tankea too much, I can not understand how CybeR, tank 4 as, and kills easily, unforgiven in the same way, it is assumed that the Broken char kills easily with any char with 1 hit, and these tank so easily :)
I have tried high chars, full items, draxos, armor, health, buff and even so they die of 1 blow, there are so many things that I can not inexplicably understand, but the problem is that the "as" is very broken ^^

Are you fucking retarded?

It was me who directly said with the Staff about Lightning Sword overpowering bug. I did even recorded a video and reported it. Stop spitting shit. If you dont have any logical argument, better keep quiet rather than saying crap.
 

Video: 

 

Since the very beginning, Knight was a weak class both PvP and Pve, and I was already an Knight. I play the class because I like, not because it is strong. Knight only got good at PvP and viable at PvE back in 2015.

What's the point of making shit comparisons with Knight to affect me directly personally? Are you kids blindfolded and desesperate, that need to counter logic and facts by directly saying crap about me personally? There were a shit ton of Knights back in the day, just because it was "overpower" in PvE. The same way there are shit ton of Archers because she is blatantly broken on PvP.

Stop talking crap and trying to offend me directly with bull crap like "when Knight was op he did nothing". 

 

You do look like to be very retarded to keep bashing on Knights or players directly as a escape route to justify how broken Archer is. 

Kids that doesnt know a crap about balance and competition spitting shit non stop. Sad to see that this community evolved into crap like that.

[DarkLink64 921]

The math is already there, its a fact well proven.

 

They have the highest damage of the game. They tank better than Mechanician and Knights. 

Look at BC, there are a shit load of Archer standing there.

They got the highest Attack Rating. Highest Damage output. Fastest running speed. Fastest Potion animation. Fastest Attack Speed. Highest Evasion of the game. Best AoE skill of the game. 

 

Archer got the highest levels on their Ranking. No other class has the 50th place with Level 150, well except Mechanician, because, Mechanician are also on the broken side of PvP but are a main and important class for PvE. 

 

Archers always score the highest ranking on PvP Rankings. Archers always have the highest score after Siege War.


Yet I have to deal with KIDS talking about Knight or myself directly with stupid thing like i'm crying or i'm noob.

Archer is broken, you're not a good Archer player. You're just abusing a broken character, thats all. It's a fact, and it will be fixed. Deal with it. Deal. with. it.

Edited January 27, 2018 by DarkLink64

[christopher 100]

Good job! DEAL WITH IT lmao. Are you talking to yourself here? 

[DarkLink64 921]

2 minutes ago, christopher said:

Good job! DEAL WITH IT lmao. Are you talking to yourself here? 

 

I'm talking that your argument is crap and youre just a player that switches to the most strong class, and develop no skill/knowledge at all.

Still waiting your math to prove that Archer doesn't have damage.

But oh wait, I can't expect any smart stuff comming from someone that barely understand what Balance stands for.

Edited January 27, 2018 by DarkLink64

[HollyShot 1,003]

 

I mean that archer may not be the best pvp class, but "ks" can? Where is common sense? You shit by the hand! You are jealous, because you do not know how to play ks, and you do not admit to dying for the "female" class. You mention that archer has better score in war, but forget that for x1 and one of the worst chars. Go learn how to play friend! and stop crying.

[christopher 100]

like i said math and stats can only take up so far... even the meme you post goes against what you stand for. and i wont waste any my knowledge on the like of you.

[christopher 100]

5 minutes ago, HollyShot said:

 

I mean that archer may not be the best pvp class, but "ks" can? Where is common sense? You shit by the hand! You are jealous, because you do not know how to play ks, and you do not admit to dying for the "female" class. You mention that archer has better score in war, but forget that for x1 and one of the worst chars. Go learn how to play friend! and stop crying.

just ignore this guy, he already quit once, and he will quit again, so dont bother with him... just laugh on his post that he cant even get it straight.

[keovn 2]

 

The simple solution is to increase the demand for the Streng index of the Item that will balance again

[cartmansucks 51]

Everybody knows how broken archer is, its not reasonable that a class have ONLY ONE disadvantage: the amount of HP. We are relating archers to ks here, but what about the other classes? Low amount of HP is a very small issue when compared to the disadvantage that other classes goes through. AS vs KS results in a interesting fight, however AS is way stronger then any other class. We can't forget the journey outside the walls of BC too... SOD, hunt boss, lvl up...

[DarkLink64 921]

28 minutes ago, cartmansucks said:

Everybody knows how broken archer is, its not reasonable that a class have ONLY ONE disadvantage: the amount of HP. We are relating archers to ks here, but what about the other classes? Low amount of HP is a very small issue when compared to the disadvantage that other classes goes through. AS vs KS results in a interesting fight, however AS is way stronger then any other class. We can't forget the journey outside the walls of BC too... SOD, hunt boss, lvl up...

Thanks for shedding some light here.

They are just kids playing the most broken char and can't face reality that they suck, they only succeeds because they are using a broken character.

Instead they are picking a personal fight against me and my character. I wonder if they would do the same if I changed to Pikeman like I was planning to change on last Black Friday.

What would be their argument? Oh my, Pikeman deals SO MUCH DAMAGE !!!! PIKEMAN TANKS A LOT WITH VAGUE!!! BUT PIKE IS STRONGER THAN ARCHER, LOOK AT HOW MUCH PIKES ARE THERE!!!


AHAHAHA Jokesters

[DarkLink64 921]

50 minutes ago, xunahyo said:

Everyone who replied here are noobs, get raped in BC, came here and cry. All these noobs got click-baited, rage-trolled, and butt-hurt by Darklink rofl. I love this post, thank you so much, been waiting for a long time for this kind of shit post.

 

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The two calculations previously from Darklink, basically the point is on hit chance, so then I took your final result and that is:

 

Hit chance of Archer attacking Knight:

Hit Chance = 0,39 * 0,56 * 0,722 = 0,165     (Hit Chance = Eva * Block * Defense)

"16,5% chance of Archer, the "not broken" char versus Knight, the "tank broken". "

 

Hit chance of Knight attacking Archer:

Hit Chance on Archer = 0,36 * 0,51 * 0,751 = 0,137    (Hit Chance = Eva * Block * Defense)

"But hey, a Knight attacking Archer has actual LESS chance of hiting! 13,7%!"

 

I assume your final result is right, so Archer has a slightly higher chance to attack Knight, and the difference between those two numbers are 2.8%.

 

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But there are two issues here:

 

First issue is that Knight has more health, I'm too lazy to take samples and give maths, let me just assume most Knights have 2,000 HP, and most Archers have 1,000 HP, so then:

 

Health Point of Knight:

HP = 2000 !

 

Health Point of Archer:

HP = 1000 !

 

So then basically Knight has 100% more HP than Archer! So even if the hit chance difference between those two classes are 2.8%, once you bring in HP value, you can see that Archer needed the evasion boost to avoid a lot single-hit death that can even be a normal hit without critical. 

 

So the problem here is that you compare the Hit Chance, but you didn't evaluate on the Health Point issue, if I'm your Professor, I will slap your butt and kick you out of the class, because shame on you, you made an effort to write down a good-topic thesis, but your thesis is kinda one-sided and failed to grasp the whole view. Your thesis is totally miss-guiding the readers to believe that the Hit Chance is the only issue here that need to be discussed, but you didn't do a throughout evaluation. How can Hit Chance be the only thing to be discussed when you want to justify your claim that Wartale is fucking not Wartale, but Archertale? Therefore SHAME on you. Please go apologize to your professor ROFL.

 

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And then the second issue here is the Defense number used in the calculations, you didn't specify each piece of gear that the Archer nor the Knight are using. So the numbers given for their Defense are 0.722 and 0.751, and those numbers are somewhat hard to understand and therefore justify your claim.

 

Can Archer with Thales achieve 4,000 Defense? Do Archers really wear Defense-mixed accessories? sorry I haven't really played, so I don't know, I'm just pointing out that you put in the Defense number without specifying each piece of gear, what type of gears, what's the mix on it, and etc.. So you just say Archer has 4,000 Defense therefore the Defense number is 0.722, you already started this topic with a specified purpose, why don't you specify the gears and do the Defense calculation properly? SHAME on you, what a lazy ass. You wrote down the calculation with numbers that are not justifiable, WTF. Please slap yourself. You should have done the following to make your readers trust your calculation:

 

For example:

Amour is xx, +22, Defense = xx

Shield is xx, +22, Defense = xx

Boot is xx, xx-mix, Defense = xx

Glove is xx, xx-mix, Defense = xx

Ring is xx, xx-mix, Defense = xx

Amulet is xx, xx-mix, Defense = xx

and so on..

Total Defense is xx 

 

You can't just put in a number like 0.722 and 0.751 without specifying the gears and assuming that number, maybe you did the number somewhere and didn't put them in, but how can the readers know? You are basically just putting in the calculation for the sake of the final result. It's like you are writing a thesis for the sake of passing the paper requirements from University. SHAME on you lmao. Now please do go and apologize to your Professor lololol.

 

Anyway, ma boy good job on pointing out the Hit Chance difference, but remember firstly Archer and Knight have a big difference in Health Point, and secondly please do go and specify gears and do calculation for the Defense. That's the things bothering me when I read your post, otherwise it's a pleasure, but you still need to apologize to your professor. LOL.

 

EDIT: sorry my grammar sucks.

 

Ok professor, i'll take your issues.

1st Issue:

What a bad thing Professor. You want to kick my butt out of the class but you're beginning your argument with a blatant liar. Knight's HP formula is the lowest out of all melee characters. It shares the same HP formula with Pikemans AND Atalanta < surprise, a Ranged character. Fighter and Mechanician got the highest HP formula, Archers the second lowest, and Mages/Priestes the most low HP formula out of all characters.

But youre right, if you tried to pinpoint that Knight has more HP than Archer, you're right! But guess what professor? Everyone knows that for like, 10 years? or maybe almost 20, since the game released in 1999?

Also another blatant lie. No Knight can have 2000 HP with base vitality. To reach 2000 HP, Knights need VL, sheep hats, and a moderate to high investment into vitality. 

Plus, any given Archer that go to the wild with base 1000 HP, must be shot dead. 

The game offers many sources of HP to Archers. Thales armor itself gives block AND hp. Cuepy suits too. Archer itemization and mixing is different than the standard, and they all follow the same goal: Tank at least one single critical hit. Like, survive a single critical of Knight Double Crash itself. 

 

If you pick all the itemization i've said, and do some investment on Vitality, you can easily reach 1800 (enough to tank a single Critical from anyone except other archers) or 2200.

Any archer that got this HP still has kill potential with two Critical Phoenix Shot. This is fact. Prove me wrong.


About hit Chance: I'm also fully aware that killing an Archer might be easy if you take in consideration that she will die if she receive two criticals. But hey - thats pretty much how all characters dies - I can't kill other knights with lucky two critical in sequence, the same goes for me when facing a Fighter. If he lands two criticals, i'll die. The same thing happens with Archers, but why are you playing victim here?

What's your point playing victim with Archers Hp bull crap since it happens for almost everyone?

Back to Hit Chance - Due to hit chance being the LOWEST out of all characters, hitting the said two hits is like 7%, like i've calculated before. Really, 7%. It would took  3 or 4 chars to raise this chance to some bearable levels like 20~30%.

But hey Professor, did you forgot that Archers got, beside the highest Block/Defense/Evasion ratio, the highest Movement speed and Potion speed?

Any given Archer that stays still when facing enemies must be shot dead. 

Any Archer player with half brain would use her stun to kite enemy away. Whenever a Knight would get close to an Archer, she could stun him away. She would wait a few seconds and start to fire Phoenix Shots when the stun is about to end. 

What happen next is: either Knight dies or he will chase the Archer. If you play it right, the actual chance of a Knight even REACHING an Archer is quite low. Sorry if you dont have reaction time to run away of a Knight when he gets close. 

A smart Archer player would run away, be either to safe/caution zone or just to the sideways of BC Field. When reaching the limits, she can easily run back to Caution zone.

But hey - lets consider youre a dumb player and let someone reach you: The hit chance is so low, the running speed is so high, the potion speed is so high, that you can easily pot between ALL hits of Devine Piercing except the first two. 

The first two hits of Devine Piercing is the only chance of a Knight killing an Archer.  The interval between first and second hit is very short. 

Also, if you consider a War scenario, an Archer can easily run away melee characters, so they can't keep attacking. The pressure will be much less than lets say, any other Melee character facing multiple enemies. 

I'm saying that because no character chan Chase an Archer, except another Archer. Nobody have a greaterrange and running speed of Archer.

Its easy to reduce upcomming damage while running away, no melee character can chase any given Archer.

iIf you put your dead brain to wokr, you will conclude that Archer doesn't require shit load of HP to survive. The survival rate of Archer is quite high to the aumont of killing rate of Archer, using all these vitality builds and with HP sources through gears and mixes. 

Now you should be fired, because you're a shit as professor, got easily beaten up by your student.

[DarkLink64 921]

Second issue:
I'm using my own Knight - All gears 140 DNT + 22, Draxos Boots, 140 Gauntlet and Bracelets with Standard mixes. And of course, Set Boss 3.

 

I can't exactly pinpoint Archer gear sets, because there are MANY builds out there. I do believe the strongest of all are two builds: Thales/cuepy + Shield 140 HP Block Sol Mix,  or Armor 140 with Age or Hp/Block mix on a 140 Shield.

 

Builds that use non-140 shields for me are outdated and clearly worse.

Thales and Cuepy focuses more on HP and Block, while Armor on Defense. 

Also its obvious that any Archer with Armor will deal less damage. But to say it isn't enough to kill is a lie. Show me the math proving that she can't kill with an Armor build.

On any given build, she will need to invest in Vitality to the point she doesn't get 1 shot by enemies Critical hits. This mileage again, vary a lot depending on build.

It's not like Archers SHOULD use Armors, it's like, the class is so Strong that she can work on whatever build she uses, if she has enough HP to survive a single hit.

 

Defense builds obviously will deal less damage, due to sacrifices on HP mix and Agility in armors, but the damage is STILL high to kill people with 2 Phoenix Shot. Again, show me a math proving that it isnt.



 

Numbers aren't hard to understand if you have the formula. I won't post it here if Staff doesn't allow me to do so. So shut the fuck up and show some respect. Aks for him the formulas too, and do the math yourself if he sends it to you.

All I can say is, if Attacker Attack Rating is equal or greater than Defending player, the chance of Defense is 3%. Why only 3%? Because its the lowest value possible. Thats why you can still miss some attacks against low level monsters like in the Garden of Freedom.

 

The defend chance increases based on a positive difference between Defense - Attack Rating result. 

Also I have no reason to lie on this calculation, and if you use your dead Brain, you would figure out that they might be true, if you take in consideration the high aumont of Archer Attack Rating and Knight Defense with Drastic Spirit.
 

 

I can specify my defense, like I did. I can't specify Archer, because Archers has different build possibilities so the range might be too large, and i've picked up a safe average like 4000 and 5000. 


There are still any garbage arguments left comming from you? I should ask for money when explaining stuff for dummies like you.

[druakiin 45]

im sorry math man :)

i can see that u live thinking in the way to be the best here, good job math man

[DarkLink64 921]

8 minutes ago, druakiin said:

im sorry math man :)

i can see that u live thinking in the way to be the best here, good job math man

At least i live knowing i'm the side of truth, instead of bias like you, talking lies about me :)

Regardless you're crappy Archer player, dies too easy to my taste. Thats why you can't see the real scope of balance and just are focusing on protecting yourself, to the point on using crap argument that just points directly to me and Knight, forgetting the game as a whole.

Thats why youre just a random player, something that can't be said about me :) enjoy while you can

Edited January 27, 2018 by DarkLink64

[Akuma 157]

Shut up, and please stop talking shit on 4um.

- 1st archer already got her nerf on Perfuration, and now thats nearly useless skill.

- 2nd If be 1v1 Archer always lose. 

- 3th Mech isn't broken as you said, now mech die so fking easy and isn't with much atack as before ( since last update that bug his maximize buff, mech is nerfed )

- 4th KS IS BROKEN on PVP, he can tank a lot while have a nice power, tanking much more than MS (class that must be the tanker) !

- 5th The best classes for pvp atm are KS > FS > AS > MS > SS .

- 6th Good bye, thats all and i will not back here anymore coz i hate argue with you coz your answer are like a pussy to read, learn how to express yourself with less words and will get better to read your topics. :)

 

I really laugh about your tests, gogo waste 3712873891273 hours testing :P 

 

Edited January 27, 2018 by Akuma

[DarkLink64 921]

1 hour ago, Akuma said:

Shut up, and please stop talking shit on 4um.

- 1st archer already got her nerf on Perfuration, and now thats nearly useless skill.

- 2nd If be 1v1 Archer always lose. 

- 3th Mech isn't broken as you said, now mech die so fking easy and isn't with much atack as before ( since last update that bug his maximize buff, mech is nerfed )

- 4th KS IS BROKEN on PVP, he can tank a lot while have a nice power, tanking much more than MS (class that must be the tanker) !

- 5th The best classes for pvp atm are KS > FS > AS > MS > SS .

- 6th Good bye, thats all and i will not back here anymore coz i hate argue with you coz your answer are like a pussy to read, learn how to express yourself with less words and will get better to read your topics. :)

 

I really laugh about your tests, gogo waste 3712873891273 hours testing :P 

 

So sad to see a manly attittude comming without any argument.


All you've said is common stuff that anyone can tell. I can keep here saying that AS is better than everyone, the same way you did by saying that she isn't.

But guess what? You don't have anything to prove your words, but I have many stuff to prove mine.


But that's expected, the less people know, the more they spit shit out of their mouth. Dumb people trying to act smart by just saying random shit without any kind of evidence, and feeling himself good by targeting a person instead of his ideas and arguments.

Keep it going! Nothing was prooven with your personal bias and childish behavior.

Go back to Secret Lab!

Edited January 27, 2018 by DarkLink64

[christopher 100]

DEAL WITH IT, LMAO

PS: just let you know, not everybody has access to test char and the information that can not publicly announce like you said above.

Edited January 27, 2018 by christopher

[Mrzero 123]

He allway crying when he never playing AS.

U can talk when u playing AS and let see how u play then u can talk about this shit topic

 

[[crass] 19]

2 hours ago, Mrzero said:

He allway crying when he never playing AS.

U can talk when u playing AS and let see how u play then u can talk about this shit topic

 

lol bitch you still here ? you have been crying the whole game jajajaja its why you  changed to archer and stay because you have been useless in all chars that you played i remember you always changing to OP chars and crying :))

[Mrzero 123]

53 minutes ago, [crass] said:

lol bitch you still here ? you have been crying the whole game jajajaja its why you  changed to archer and stay because you have been useless in all chars that you played i remember you always changing to OP chars and crying :))

excuse me, shut up bitch.. u already got rape by quit game..  shut up bro i dont wanna talk with u... change to op chars yes bcz need to rape this shit include u to make u quit game right now. Give away, dont come back to talking shit.

or wanna comeback to crying again ? wellcome 

[cyber 16]

Hello everyone, DarkLink is speaking the whole truth because he is worried about the game, and you know this but forget that the game is losing players every day, ADM needs to do something fast, ( balancing the characters) I'm fs 158 and I can not fight with Archer 150 and this is absurd. And stop provoking in post (mR.zero) learn to be man and respect the opinion of others, Support DarkLink because I am also concerned about the game.

[christopher 100]

6 minutes ago, cyber said:

Hello everyone, DarkLink is speaking the whole truth because he is worried about the game, and you know this but forget that the game is losing players every day, ADM needs to do something fast, ( balancing the characters) I'm fs 158 and I can not fight with Archer 150 and this is absurd. And stop provoking in post (mR.zero) learn to be man and respect the opinion of others, Support DarkLink because I am also concerned about the game.

probably because an Archer run so fast that you  cant even touch it. :)

if you want to improve the game, there are tons of OP/broken skills in the game... who keep focus on Archer, despite archer already been nerfed a lot already. On the other hand, the other OP chars still remain the same.

and if i am not mistake, crass is the one who provoked mr.zero first.

Edited January 28, 2018 by christopher

[Mrzero 123]

2 hours ago, cyber said:

Hello everyone, DarkLink is speaking the whole truth because he is worried about the game, and you know this but forget that the game is losing players every day, ADM needs to do something fast, ( balancing the characters) I'm fs 158 and I can not fight with Archer 150 and this is absurd. And stop provoking in post (mR.zero) learn to be man and respect the opinion of others, Support DarkLink because I am also concerned about the game.

U can not fight with archer 150 :o really? u r so lier

[DarkLink64 921]

These guys are funny. Now their argument is like -

 

"Yeah, balance is important but he is only talking about Archer."

 

Wtf chill dude. It sounds like youre assuming that Archer are strong, and there isn't any argument left rather than offend myself and talk crap about KS because it's my main class. 

To be honest I'm pretty aware of the most concerning balance problems, i've did lots of tests with 155 Level fully geared accounts, there are many stuff to be fixed, but each should have its own thread.

Its not like i'm making an Archer thread that I won't talk about other issues. Take Pikeman for example - he is dead and i've made a thread a year ago.

But for now, Archer is in a state that she is too strong, much above than anything acceptable. 

Edited January 28, 2018 by DarkLink64

[cyber 16]

8 hours ago, cyber said:

 

Yes, it is impossible to fight with archer, everyone knows me and knows that I fight with MS 16x, FS 16x, SS 16x, PS 16X ETC ,, Because those classes are balanced and only have a good player or a bad player. But with Archer there is no way to fight because Archer is absurd, actually when I go bc and have 1+ archer I unlock and I will play another priston, and my opinion and I want you to respect me, Nobody and forced to change class for Archer only because Archer is strong (Archer has to be balanced) Thank you