Development [Archer]

[idanqwe 0]

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1      Archer        Character isnt balanced    Adjust        HIGH        In Dev

 

 

When will we get our balance? when will we get the above?

Archers keep quitting their characters - please make a change!

 

DMT traded his archer, Legolas trade his archer, Artier wanna trade his..

Wartale, we need an adjust please.

[cyclonewind 0]

i want to trade mine too, really hard...  :-X

[sunmoon 0]

what's wrong, anyways?

[Zero 0]

It wasn't too long ago they got a nice big boost on some skills, its not like sandurr hasn't noticed the issue. I'd say be patient, he seems quite busy with t5 as well, who knows how balanced AS would be before and after such a change? You can't really say, the balance of the current 4 tiers is only going to be flipped upside down and beaten a few times once tier5 is released, 32 new skills is impossible to predict the effects. The fact that they're also more powerful makes it even more difficult to determine what will happen.

 

Remember how mages went from so-so to OP tank mage with tier3? A new tier can completely alter the existing balance of the game. If tier5 is sandurr's main focus as of now [as the development list might suggest], then its pointless imo to go through so much work of balancing for the game now with only the current 4 tiers. Balances should be done after, since no matter how we perfect the existing balance, it will only change drastically once that happens and we'll have to rebalance anyway.

 

Certainly smaller changes aren't asking too much to hold AS over until that time comes, but big changes are only going to get in the way of his current work and will probably have to be reworked anyway once t5 comes.

[idanqwe 0]

  On 3/19/2011 at 12:27 AM, Zero said:

It wasn't too long ago they got a nice big boost on some skills, its not like sandurr hasn't noticed the issue. I'd say be patient, he seems quite busy with t5 as well, who knows how balanced AS would be before and after such a change? You can't really say, the balance of the current 4 tiers is only going to be flipped upside down and beaten a few times once tier5 is released, 32 new skills is impossible to predict the effects. The fact that they're also more powerful makes it even more difficult to determine what will happen.

 

Remember how mages went from so-so to OP tank mage with tier3? A new tier can completely alter the existing balance of the game. If tier5 is sandurr's main focus as of now [as the development list might suggest], then its pointless imo to go through so much work of balancing for the game now with only the current 4 tiers. Balances should be done after, since no matter how we perfect the existing balance, it will only change drastically once that happens and we'll have to rebalance anyway.

 

Certainly smaller changes aren't asking too much to hold AS over until that time comes, but big changes are only going to get in the way of his current work and will probably have to be reworked anyway once t5 comes.

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I don't know what Wartale is planning, but it's taking too long..

There are almost no archers on the server, and its getting worse with the time

 

I think if he would say to wait for the balance, I wouldnt care to wait

But he didn't say anything, and I cannot know if there will be any real balance anytime soon

And what skill balance we had so far? AOR? thank you. Ata in the meantime had X-rage with 175% dmg and huge area.

 

and it's lame because I did suffer all this time, while others 13x will change class to archer after they will get balance (if they will get)

and no, I cant donate as others do

[Zero 0]

  On 3/19/2011 at 2:04 AM, idanqwe said:

I don't know what Wartale is planning, but it's taking too long..

There are almost no archers on the server, and its getting worse with the time

 

I think if he would say to wait for the balance, I wouldnt care to wait

But he didn't say anything, and I cannot know if there will be any real balance anytime soon

And what skill balance we had so far? AOR? thank you. Ata in the meantime had X-rage with 175% dmg and huge area.

 

and it's lame because I did suffer all this time, while others 13x will change class to archer after they will get balance (if they will get)

and no, I cant donate as others do

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-There is nothing you can ever do about donating for class change as long as it remains an option, so complaining about it is useless. No different than using a mage to exp and then class changing to what you want. Donations is a separate issue than this entirely.

 

-No matter what you are going to have to wait so there is little need in him telling you that you need to. Either way it will require a lot of work whether its releasing tier5 or doing an overhaul on AS.

 

Archer got a change to these in patch 3162:

# Archer:

 

    * Arrow of Rage

    * Avalanche

    * Golden Falcon

    * Bomb Shot

    * Perforation

    * Wolverine

    * Force of Nature

 

FON got a gigantic boost, all pets got signficiantly better at tanking, bomb shot became an epic demon killer, and golden falcon got nice regen boosts. Combine that with the fact your AoE got boosted whether you perfo or AoR and its a significant gain. The improvement on sod scores should be a clear sign of that. (Note the AS who did 6.5kk at lvl 121) Is the work done to make AS balanced? Maybe not, but that should be fair enough to hold you over for a while until either the skill balances we've suggested or tier5 gets put in. From there we could also work on other things like formulas or other mechanics.

 

-Personally when you consider the above, your question seems kind of insulting to those changes since you act like you've been given nothing when clear effort was put forth.

 

-Ata is OP, just because they are doesn't mean we should go ahead and make AS the same. That is more of a matter of Ata needing nerfs than AS needing boosts.

 

[QMan 0]

archer high atk high dmg like ata

but weak on block(no shield like ata)

benefit of archer is two hand weapon dmg

 

Wartale try to balance archer with new hp formular

and new bow stat and new skill ability up!

 

if u need it more

please wait until next balancing incoming...

[TripleR 0]

I won't comment on this topic, because Zero basically said what I was going to say ("no matter how we perfect the existing balance, it will only change drastically once Tier 5 arrives and we'll have to rebalance anyway"). So I'll just point this out:

 

  On 3/19/2011 at 2:29 AM, Zero said:

(...) Combine that with the fact your AoE got boosted whether you perfo or AoR and its a significant gain. The improvement on sod scores should be a clear sign of that. (Note the AS who did 6.5kk at lvl 121) (...)

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idanqwe is the one who did that score, but he used a priestess to VL him. So it's kinda like cheating. When he has no VL, most he can score is 6kk because he keeps flinching.

[Francisco22 0]

add block on bows *-*?

[idanqwe 0]

  On 3/19/2011 at 8:42 PM, Francisco22 said:

add block on bows *-*?

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This what I said.

Block on bows would fix many things, but people turned like "OMG LOL BLOCK ON BOW?? CRAZY??"

like wtf,

every 2h weapon has block but bows.

and what bows get compared to javline?

120 bow:85-105

120 jav:82-100

 

^That's lame.

 

 

[Artier 0]

  On 3/18/2011 at 12:27 PM, idanqwe said:

 

 

DMT traded his archer, Legolas trade his archer, Artier wanna trade his..

Wartale, we need an adjust please.

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This is bullshit k.

I simply said I don't wanna play Archer.

I'd never trade, I don't wanna see Viets/BR's using the name "Artier" while having their childish racist wars in BC kk.

[Akira 0]

Simple: Create an atalanta...

 

People think that archer's role is just die easily, with medium atack pwoer due to her ranged habilities

 

The proof is the resistance of some people that play with other classes to add block/ atack power(to be atleast high gap between javelins) People think that archer have REAL high atack power, what isn't true. Result: Archer's players quitting everyday.

 

Also, a improvement of defense formula have great resistance of other players, thinking that 30 hp+ will become archers overpowered.

 

So, everyday less people start with archer, few people come to defend the class in discussions, and in the end archer stay on her role that is stay behind atalantas in almost all fields

 

 

[QMan 0]

  On 3/19/2011 at 10:23 PM, idanqwe said:

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add block on bows *-*?

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This what I said.

Block on bows would fix many things, but people turned like "OMG LOL BLOCK ON BOW?? CRAZY??"

like wtf,

every 2h weapon has block but bows.

and what bows get compared to javline?

120 bow:85-105

120 jav:82-100

 

^That's lame.

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red a good point

why?

[AMDias 0]

Archers have a good advantage here inwtcompared to uPT: the corridors !

 

Corridors don't have mobs here, so archers can kill outside spawns easily. In uPT if you don't have VL the only thing you can do is just lure hehe.

 

 

 

 

[G 0]

When someone ask me if he should start an arhcer in rPT?

i always tell them: If the reason you want to play archer is not because you really love this class, dont play archer.

 

[idanqwe 0]

  On 3/22/2011 at 2:20 PM, QMan said:

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add block on bows *-*?

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This what I said.

Block on bows would fix many things, but people turned like "OMG LOL BLOCK ON BOW?? CRAZY??"

like wtf,

every 2h weapon has block but bows.

and what bows get compared to javline?

120 bow:85-105

120 jav:82-100

 

^That's lame.

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red a good point

why?

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I don't understand what you wanna say ???

 

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Archers have a good advantage here inwtcompared to uPT: the corridors !

 

Corridors don't have mobs here, so archers can kill outside spawns easily. In uPT if you don't have VL the only thing you can do is just lure hehe.

 

 

 

 

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the problem is mainly on PVP..

 

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When someone ask me if he should start an arhcer in rPT?

i always tell them: If the reason you want to play archer is not because you really love this class, dont play archer.

 

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I do love archer, and thats the reason Im still playing it

but it doesnt say that we should be the nerfed version of ata,

we deserve a balance.

[RauL~ 1]

maybe if add block to bow fix the problens ;s

[Artier 0]

  On 3/22/2011 at 7:28 PM, RauL~ said:

maybe if add block to bow fix the problens ;s

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Yah but wouldn't all the archers have to replace their bows with newly dropped ones? Like last time

[Gogg 3]

Isn't it better than nothing?

[TripleR 0]

It's easier to boost Evasion.

[idanqwe 0]

  On 3/22/2011 at 10:18 PM, TripleR said:

It's easier to boost Evasion.

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I don't think so

Block on bows looks like the missing part here, not more evasion

It's like ata with HOV&Block from shield, or Pike with Block from scythe + Vague

[Artier 0]

  On 3/22/2011 at 9:01 PM, Gogg said:

Isn't it better than nothing?

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It's better than othing yeah

Just frustrating that Archers will have to dish out more money once again.

 

aint my problem though lol

[Gogg 3]

At least archer stuff is cheap

[Easy4me2own 0]

  On 3/22/2011 at 10:18 PM, TripleR said:

It's easier to boost Evasion.

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+1

[Gogg 3]

  On 3/22/2011 at 11:28 PM, Easy4me2own said:

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It's easier to boost Evasion.

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+1

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Oh no

 

Archers on uPT don't have the same probems they have on rPT

 

Messing with skills bring changes to both... I'd say we don't need that ^________^