Development [Archer]

[idanqwe 0]

Quite personally this comment towards the admins makes me think you're the thoughtless one. The admins thoughtless? They've been working hard for a lot of changes lately, twice of which already since just this year have been greatly beneficial to AS. First, they greatly boosted AS skills and now with the new SoD they're also scoring much better in comparison to the other classes than they were before. In fact, many of them are in the top 10 which you really didn't see before. They've boosted you twice already now to try to tide you over until a better solution can be found and you insult them? Its one thing to bring a logical backing to make a valid point that there is still more to be done, but its quite another to make such a remark.

Archer's Top 10 didn't solo this score, and every meele can get top 10 at the current sod.

And as I said before, the problem is on PVP, not PVE.

They did boost AOR (PVE) Perfo (PVE) Golden Falcon (PVE), but the problem is while pvping

 

If AS hadn't received anything it might've been more acceptable, but between the first big boost to AS skills and the fact that they're far more dominant in the new SoD than the old, I don't think you have the right to such a harsh criticism.

I know that you think AS is so good at SOD, but the fact is they suck. they need other people in order to make a score. and at the contemporary SOD, everyone can get high score from the bosses.

 

Keep in mind they've been trying to put serious effort towards finishing t5. What is the point in overhauling your class to being balanced now just so they have to do it over again at t5? Sure we can't say how close or far it is, but its clear they're at least putting in the effort to make it possible and as player its hard to speak ill of that for a private server [since they aren't the original developers]. t5 is going to change the dynamics of any current balance quite a bit, if they make it balanced now AS just may become stupid OP if/when t5 comes or still be underpowered, meaning either way its going to need reworks.

you cannot know when t5 comes...

It may take even a year or two, meanwhile every archer quit.

Admins should balance all classes first, and then work on t5 and keep it balanced after t5.

 

It doesn't seem fair to ask a class to wait, but part of what your not taking into account is AS isn't in this boat alone. If AS gets a fair balance, then what about the magic classes who can be said to possibly be even worse off [mage for certain]? Mage has needed it far longer, and such topics don't seem to be popping up as of late. They basically can't do a single thing in this game well ever since SoD got modified, aside from low level exp.

I know that mage\prs should get balance too, I didn't say they don't need a balance.

and mages can do stuff, they have the best AOE skill which make em exp fast, they can tank well with shield&energy shield, and they were 1st at SOD for long long time.

oh yeah, and look at PVP ranking, 3R is not even a 125 mage and he's at top 10 pvp rank, amazing.

 

Its not just about reworking AS, if you do that it wouldn't be fair not to do it for the magic classes. That is a lot of work for something you will have to change again in the future regardless.

I don't care about magic classes to be honest, you can go make your topic about how magic classes are underpowered at PVP.

 

I don't know about 'Legolas' and the others, but that is still their decision to sell/trade their char. People sell high level knights too, does that mean they're weak? Sure, I'm certain the class itself is a factor here, but it may not be the only factor. If the class gets balanced anyway, I'm sure some high levels would class change as you've seen in many cases.

you can't compare a high lvl archer that sell his char to a knight.

most of the server are ATA\Knights and when someone sell his knight it's not special, but when Legolas, a Known 13x archer (there are only like 5 active 12x archers at the whole server)sell his char, and more 12x archer sell theirs, that means somthing is wrong, and somthing should be changed.

 

Make sense .... take it easy and play happily .... otherwise jst rest a while on AS until the balance is out ^^

yeah take it easy and play happily,

dude go play your OP knight, don't just spam my topic please.

 

+1 for Zero. I just stopped playing Archer cause I'm bored of waiting for the balance in the PvP area. Everything else, Archer's pretty damn good at - in a party, not solo. Damage-wise anyways, their defense is still too weak, in my opinion.

However yes, Mages....they don't have many topics to voice their own opinion cause there aren't many people that play Mage as a main. And if they do, they're usually only bothered about SoD.

 

I take my hat off to hardcore Mage players though lol, way more patient than I am. Rd, go fix it kk. <3

Ofcourse you agree with Zero, you just traded your archer already to a Knight, so you don't care anymore.

 

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archer now good at SOD is a joke.

 

Everyone are good at SOD, if you can kill bosses, you're good at it.

oh and ata that get an high score isn't a joke? ata should have more damage than archer's, right?

Ata should be a pvp machine, right?

ata should be good at exping, right?

ye right.

 

[TripleR 0]

oh yeah, and look at PVP ranking, 3R is not even a 125 mage and he's at top 10 pvp rank, amazing.

 

It's not really good to use me as an example, because when I played Artier's archer I made him top PVPer. Just because I know how to play these broken classes it doesn't mean they're decent. It's all about playing smart.

 

(...) and mages can do stuff, they have the best AOE skill which make em exp fast, they can tank well with shield&energy shield, and they were 1st at SOD for long long time.

 

Not really, mages don't exp faster. They exp slower than every other class in this game. Reasons:

-> The best AOE is useless when people can donate for levels/exp service.

-> It's useless to go exp when there's no reward for doing so [which means all you can do is exp, even if you're level 140]. Just look at the highest level mage: 129. He has no reason to keep leveling, which is why mages are not the fastest expers [at high levels].

 

With this new SoD, we might have a new reason to exp. But its boss point gains [among other things] still need changes (that I assume that will be done in the next patch).

[idanqwe 0]

It's not really good to use me as an example, because when I played Artier's archer I made him top PVPer. Just because I know how to play these broken classes it doesn't mean they're decent. It's all about playing smart.

Artier top Pvper? never heard about it.

all I heard is Artier's whining about archer suck big time at PVP.

 

Not really, mages don't exp faster. They exp slower than every other class in this game. Reasons:

-> The best AOE is useless when people can donate for levels/exp service.

-> It's useless to go exp when there's no reward for doing so [which means all you can do is exp, even if you're level 140]. Just look at the highest level mage: 129. He has no reason to keep leveling, which is why mages are not the fastest expers [at high levels].

 

With this new SoD, we might have a new reason to exp. But its boss point gains [among other things] still need changes (that I assume that will be done in the next patch).

I know you can donate for levels, but it doesnt mean mage isnt the best character to exp.

I never donated for getting lvls\items so Im talking about exping without it, and hell yeah mage is the best for exping.

 

about "it's useless to get exp if theres no reward", it's true, there's no point to get an high lvl mage because you can't really pvp with it, but mages are still the best expers because of their strongest AOE.

[TripleR 0]

It's not really good to use me as an example, because when I played Artier's archer I made him top PVPer. Just because I know how to play these broken classes it doesn't mean they're decent. It's all about playing smart.

Artier top Pvper? never heard about it.

all I heard is Artier's whining about archer suck big time at PVP.

 

 

 

Like I said, if you play a broken class, you have to play smart.

[idanqwe 0]

It's not really good to use me as an example, because when I played Artier's archer I made him top PVPer. Just because I know how to play these broken classes it doesn't mean they're decent. It's all about playing smart.

Artier top Pvper? never heard about it.

all I heard is Artier's whining about archer suck big time at PVP.

 

 

 

Like I said, if you play a broken class, you have to play smart.

I can see the castle own by the GM's, that means the server had a restart and the PVP too

so to get few kills and get 1st for few hours isn't impressive.

[Guest TFSE]

you're turning this topic more and more into whining as opposed to proper constructive criticism. You can bitch and moan all you like, but with this kind of tone, don't expect anybody to give you the respect you think you deserve.

[TripleR 0]

I can see the castle own by the GM's, that means the server had a restart and the PVP too

so to get few kills and get 1st for few hours isn't impressive.

 

And even before that.

 

Yo, I tested your archer for 2 hours in PvP.

 

Kills: 93

Deaths: 15

 

Before:

 

 

After:

 

 

You're in the rankings. 8)

Good luck.

 

 

Archer is not as bad as mages. Artier saw me owning a 12x knight in x1 with my mage. Haha.

So it shouldn't be hard to do the same with an archer (that has a lot more damage than a mage).

 

Archers are not the worst PvPers.

[martual 1]

Archer never the worst PvPers lol

Archer jst a bad xper ^^

[idanqwe 0]

you're turning this topic more and more into whining as opposed to proper constructive criticism. You can bitch and moan all you like, but with this kind of tone, don't expect anybody to give you the respect you think you deserve.

I just wanted a balance.. :-\

I don't wanna change my class like everyone does and stop trying to get a balance for archers which are already extincted,

I'm trying to make a change

Archer is not as bad as mages. Artier saw me owning a 12x knight in x1 with my mage. Haha.

So it shouldn't be hard to do the same with an archer (that has a lot more damage than a mage).

 

Archers are not the worst PvPers.

ofc they arnt the worst pvpers -,-

but they still suck in it compared to ata that good at everything.

 

 

 

[QMan 0]

be patient until big new balance come(tier5)..

i said for all character

[Artier 0]

It's not really good to use me as an example, because when I played Artier's archer I made him top PVPer. Just because I know how to play these broken classes it doesn't mean they're decent. It's all about playing smart.

Artier top Pvper? never heard about it.

all I heard is Artier's whining about archer suck big time at PVP.

My whining about Archer's sucking at PvP was blatantly aimed at the shit defense of Archers. My whining was a part of what got Archer's problems noticed and led to a skill balance. My whining is exactly the type of thing Mage needs in order for it to be changed for the better.

Whining with a valid argument to back it up is exactly what's needed. I'm not taking all the crdedit though, as I said I was just a part of the whining, there were a few others that helped in making things noticed.

 

+1 for Zero. I just stopped playing Archer cause I'm bored of waiting for the balance in the PvP area. Everything else, Archer's pretty damn good at - in a party, not solo. Damage-wise anyways, their defense is still too weak, in my opinion.

However yes, Mages....they don't have many topics to voice their own opinion cause there aren't many people that play Mage as a main. And if they do, they're usually only bothered about SoD.

 

I take my hat off to hardcore Mage players though lol, way more patient than I am. Rd, go fix it kk. <3

Ofcourse you agree with Zero, you just traded your archer already to a Knight, so you don't care anymore.

I agree with Zero because he/she is right. Don't assume shit about me thanks. I do care. However, I'm not willing to wait around before I can enjoy the game, it's a frigging game, therefore I want to be playing and having fun, not sitting patiently for a balance to happen before I can have fun. It's because of that I decided to stop waiting around for something that's not on the top of the development list, and I did something about. I traded so I can play the game to have fun.

 

If that's an issue with you and you feel that means I don't care, then that's fine with me, cause I certainly don't care about your assumptions.

 

And as for the comment about Archer's being imbalanced and Ata's being better. The solution isn't boosting Archer's, their damage is fine, the solution is making Ata's what they are - a Hybrid ranged character. And giving Archer a bit of defense rather than making it squishier than a magic class.

 

Btw all this talk about me is quite annoying, can you discuss Archer's developments without bringing specific players up, thanks. Cause I don't appreciate the baseless accusations in this thread.

[Zero 0]

Won't bother working through all the multi-quotes so @idanqwe:

 

Exactly, we won't know if/when t5 comes and that all things require patience to begin with. I'm not upset you brought attention to the issue, as artier said whining is what can get us results. 90% of the reason I posted was simply because I felt the comment was a bit misdirected. I was making the point the admins had been making progress in what you were asking for. There is a fine line between whining/constructive criticism and insults, at least in my opinion.

 

No one likes to wait, but some of us are going to have to give in at some point for others or let the admins decide who will. My example of the magic classes was to say that they've been waiting just as long or longer. If you overhaul AS, the magic classes will say its only fair they should be given one too. Suddenly instead of changing AS, your changing 2-3 classes which is a lot of work. Now because of that work, t5 starts getting delayed and the other 5 classes are asking why updates keep coming with no progress towards t5 and they start complaining. You see, either way a lot of people are going to be made to wait for something they want the most.

 

In addition to changing those classes, you might have to do it again anyway when t5 comes as I pointed out earlier. Theres a lot that goes on in how one decision like changing AS can affect the course and development of the game overall that will determine who is complaining for what. In the end, someone is going to have to wait and they're not going to like it. As Artier also said, its a game and meant to be enjoyed so waiting isn't something high on our priority list. For those who have to for the rest, you just have to find out your best option.

[G 0]

i said "archer now good at SOD"  IS A JOKE.

means the SOD score now are fake score. because i think SOD is a solo war.

at least, when talk about personal score, it should be a solo war.

 

anyway it is not good to  compare archer one or two class, it is not the right reason Archer should be changed something.

should compare with all the class.

if one char good at every area, this class should nerf their skills, so that it will better balance with other chass.

if one char no one area is best, is better to make it good at one area. so that  players will like to play this class.

 

 

for example:

compare to other class, KS is good  in EXP, HUNTING, BC

compare to other class, ATA is good in EXP, HUNTING, BC

compare to other class, Pris is good in EXP, HUNTING

compare to other class, Mgs is good in EXP

compare to other class, PS is good in BC

compare to other class, FS is good in BC

compare to other class, MS is good in ???? ( sorry ,i dont know  about MS, maybe they are good at exp and tanking? )

compare to other class, AS is good in ????  (not sure, even i play archer  :-X)

 

archer hard to tank good, no matter how you rise the block, because their hp low.

so if can development archer, make it top attack power, but easy die, that will be better.

 

if not going to make some changes, let's wait T5 .

[Francisco22 0]

ya this is so unfair archers should have more attack power  or block/hp because archers can't tank so  they should have a high attack power to kill their enemies fast? is so ridiculous see how someone who use 1h weapon has more dmg than one archer .

[Artier 0]

The solution isn't to keep on boosting damage, it just makes everything retarded.

The Hybrid Classes (bar Mech) need to be turned into actual Hybrid classes - Jack of all master of none.

Archer's defense needs to be raised, defense meaning a variety of survival mechanisms - stat formulas/block/evade/range/speed.

 

 

 

I disagree with you G that Archers should have an increase in damage, cause if you know how to build an archer the damage is fine, it's the pathetic survival what makes it such a bad class. You say we shouldn't compare to one or two classes however it's one or two classes which stick out the most as the most overpowered in the game and ironically they're Hybrids - Ata & Knight.And to say that no class should be good at everything is the most retarded statement I've heard on these forums. Every class is supposed to be able to do everything inwtbut some classes are supposed to do areas better than others. It's quite clearwtdoesn't play by the traditional Tank/Support/DPS type of MMORPG, so why are you enforcing this now? I think the only exception to this sort of thing inwtshould be PvP, everybody should have a chance to b able to PvP.

 

(Also the fact that you said Mage is good at exping shows me that you don't have the greatest idea about the classes at the moment, they're not as powerful as they should be. Infact neither of the magic classes are.)

 

And by the way Archer's actually very good at at everything within the game if we just take damage into account - AoE damage is pro, Hunting is piss easy with an Archger and we get a frigin pet to tank with boosted HP/Defense. But the downside is defense and defense lets Archers down the most in PvP because there is no pre-made AI to act a certain way. When you just take PvE into account then as long as an Archer is in a group they do just fine, once again this shows that it's their defense that lets them down, not their damage. Yes their damage is still not as good as an Ata but this doesn't mean Archer needs a boost, it means Ata needs a nerf.

 

 

 

[idanqwe 0]

The solution isn't to keep on boosting damage, it just makes everything retarded.

The Hybrid Classes (bar Mech) need to be turned into actual Hybrid classes - Jack of all master of none.

Archer's defense needs to be raised, defense meaning a variety of survival mechanisms - stat formulas/block/evade/range/speed.

 

 

 

I disagree with you G that Archers should have an increase in damage, cause if you know how to build an archer the damage is fine, it's the pathetic survival what makes it such a bad class. You say we shouldn't compare to one or two classes however it's one or two classes which stick out the most as the most overpowered in the game and ironically they're Hybrids - Ata & Knight.And to say that no class should be good at everything is the most retarded statement I've heard on these forums. Every class is supposed to be able to do everything inwtbut some classes are supposed to do areas better than others. It's quite clearwtdoesn't play by the traditional Tank/Support/DPS type of MMORPG, so why are you enforcing this now? I think the only exception to this sort of thing inwtshould be PvP, everybody should have a chance to b able to PvP.

 

 

And by the way Archer's actually very good at at everything within the game if we just take damage into account - AoE damage is pro, Hunting is piss easy with an Archger and we get a frigin pet to tank with boosted HP/Defense. But the downside is defense and defense lets Archers down the most in PvP because there is no pre-made AI to act a certain way. When you just take PvE into account then as long as an Archer is in a group they do just fine, once again this shows that it's their defense that lets them down, not their damage. Yes their damage is still not as good as an Ata but this doesn't mean Archer needs a boost, it means Ata needs a nerf.

^I concur

he pretty much said everything

[Zero 0]

i said "archer now good at SOD"  IS A JOKE.

means the SOD score now are fake score. because i think SOD is a solo war.

at least, when talk about personal score, it should be a solo war.

 

The new SoD was designed so it wouldn't be a true solo war, that is more relevant to the old sod than the newer one. Even if you don't solo, you're still competing personally to get the best score you can amongst the people in your room, so your still waging a "solo war" in a sense. If we assume rooms get mixed with multiple classes, then the classes are competing against each other to still effectively prove who has the highest advantage in this area. It wouldn't make sense if AS was doing worse than before that the other classes wouldn't outscore them overall. [Especially within the same room, if I'm outksing you how would I score lower?]

 

The new SoD clearly centers around less solo and more teamwork. If AS is doing well it may show that it has strengths that weren't able to be used before, such as being effective in a team.

 

You also have no way of proving that the other characters in the rankings did not have additional help. One or two examples doesn't help, you need all of them to get the real idea. That is beyond the means of recorded data unfortunately [since it only records score for personal] You can keep talking of the "true solos", but if the new SoD isn't based around that idea then its no longer relevant.

 

SoD has changed in significant ways, and with that I think your perception of what a "fake score" is might need reconsideration as well.

[G 0]

well, my english is not so good to understand good about what Artier and Zero said, i am sorry about that.

i hope we are here just showing our points, not argue

 

i think archer should get top attack power, means only the 1vs1 skill.  cause seems you all now talking about PVP.

if make it top attack power, not mean everyone archer can do better  in PVP than now, and  archer wont be the best char in pvp, cause archer easy die.

and also, archer will be better at hunting too maybe, but not mean they are the best class in hunting. (even in the pass i think archer was the best class in hunting.)

 

and more, so tired to exp archer, hard to find a pt. for these reason, not many ppls will choose this class.

 

i dont think add block/defence/hp for archer is good, because if add a little, it wont help much. and if add much, archer is no more an archer.

and you can test it easy, for example:

if you have a  great shield perfect donated +20, it add 30% block, right?

use that shield and go BC, see how much you can tank?

 

however,  i am not that mind  if archer will  have some changes atm.

i just mean, if can have some changes, is better change the attack power than block/defence/hp.

 

i just hope T5 will come soon.

[G 0]

i read many times of what Zero said, now i understand more than before.

 

well, i said " archer now good in SOD is a joke", because someone said in this topic that archer now was best in SOD. and i dont think AS does.

i said now the personal score of SOD is fake score, because i think we should not say which class is best in sod according to the personal score in rank.

 

and i think sod should be a solo war, i would like sod is a solo war.  i would like.

 

 

 

[Artier 0]

Yeah...I disagree with everything you just said. No gonna type a wall of text again cause it seems you don't understand anything I've said.

[G 0]

ya, i disagree with you too.

we get different points in this case. no need to explain anything anymore.

 

[Easy4me2own 0]

''Update in Archer Damage Formula''

 

http://www.realmpt.com/development

 

information pls 

[TripleR 0]

''Update in Archer Damage Formula''

 

http://www.realmpt.com/development

 

information pls 

 

STR will give ya ATK Power. Not as much as AGI, but at least 50%.

 

We did this because we want to encourage archers to wear armors (which should improve their survival a bit more). Also, block on bows will be added. 120 bow will have 10% block like 120 staff.

[cyclonewind 0]

are you serious? 

[TripleR 0]

are you serious? 

 

...Yes.