Please respect.

[Mercury 0]

  On 8/12/2011 at 7:36 PM, dohkito said:

@ Mercury:

all these problems that ppl that used  hack or not,will be solved if the GM put in in the request,why the guy get unban.

It's a  suggestion too, can u do it ?

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So every time Wartale finds a bug in the anticheat he shouldnt unban people? But we should wait until those people file another unban request and then guess which cases are real and which are because of bugs?`

 

Be realistic, try to have some respect for the staff and you might profit from it.

[ADONIS 0]

@ Mercury:Yes i have read your replies and i say what i have seen if you think that it is nothing is jus something your, i saw a lot of times Wartale saying "this is staffs question" about unbans and talking about hackers helping Wartale in antihack and geting unban (ok law is not equal for all) need more? Obscure things happened (or happen) and videos dont lie(i guess) seeing a immortal char in BC i dont believe that is just lag.

[dohkito 0]

  On 8/12/2011 at 7:39 PM, Mercury said:

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@ Mercury:

all these problems that ppl that used  hack or not,will be solved if the GM put in in the request,why the guy get unban.

It's a  suggestion too, can u do it ?

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So every time Wartale finds a bug in the anticheat he shouldnt unban people? But we should wait until those people file another unban request and then guess which cases are real and which are because of bugs?`

 

Be realistic, try to have some respect for the staff and you might profit from it.

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OMG, u dont undertood me, i dont say  that cases like this, that really is an bug,  the ppl dont deserve unban !

YEAH, when is a server error, all the victims deserve unban/restore etc...

 

But, use ur brain bro, all this situation could be avoided, if the GM puted why the guy get unban,and many other cases too !

 

consider this suggest like a troubleshooting:

 

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@ Mercury:

all these problems that ppl that used  hack or not,will be solved if the GM put in in the request,why the guy get unban.

It's a  suggestion too, can u do it ?

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  On 8/12/2011 at 7:44 PM, ADONIS said:

@ Mercury:Yes i have read your replies and i say what i have seen if you think that it is nothing is jus something your, i saw a lot of times Wartale saying "this is staffs question" about unbans and talking about hackers helping Wartale in antihack and geting unban (ok law is not equal for all) need more? Obscure things happened (or happen) and videos dont lie(i guess) seeing a immortal char in BC i dont believe that is just lag.

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And why is law not equal to all do you mean? Does every banned player try to help us fix the hole they exploited then?

 

Videos Can lie, and thats a risk we dont want to take.

[Crius 0]

  On 8/12/2011 at 7:22 PM, ADONIS said:

Man when i say that i dont know why they got unban i because that information was obscure (one more problem of server obscure informations that players cant acces but is crucia to clear misundertandings) i saw kitkid in videos and on BC in "ïmmortal mode", and kitkid get unban after unban that is very weird, the poor thing is that people says that is just "imagination" but dont try to look (or dont want) if it have a point of reason.

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Maybe it is obscure or even not there at all, but really, why do you need to know? Is it really that impossible to accept that someone who has access to a lot more information than you do made a decision that wasn't totally unjustified? It takes time to justify every single ban/unban in public, even if you're not required to actually prove it. It is time that is better spent elsewhere. I know, because I used to try to justify what I did (made all the harder by a firm belief in privacy, so I couldn't discuss specifics without the express consent of the individual in question), and generally got nothing for it. Either people disagreed with what I said, or they called me a liar and things a great deal worse, because they had already made up their minds. People seem inclined to believe that a lot of decisions are biased and see conspiracies, but I really don't think you will get banned for no reason in the vast majority of cases. In my experience at least, it's not really all that satisfying to delete a post or ban someone you don't know and has done nothing to deserve it. I have never understood why that is such a popular belief. In my case, if anything, it went the other way. If I really disliked someone, I was more inclined to let things slide out of fear that I was not being rational.

 

 

After 7 years (give or take) as a moderator for a community that was a fair bit more active than this one, I can emphasize with others in a similar position. You hear a lot of complaints about things you didn't do, things you didn't do but should have, and things you did that you should have. Very few of the complaints are about the things you did do that you shouldn't have. That is not to say that moderators are infallible, God knows I made my fair share of mistakes during my stint, but it is very frustrating when you do your best to make up for it and still get insulted for having the nerve to make a mistake in the first place. Especially from people who heard about it from a friend who heard it from a friend who may or may not have been there. It takes two to tango, and not everything is the moderators fault. The community tends to forget that. People really need to learn to let things go, there's enough work to go around without any need to add more to it. That goes for both sides, by the way. I learned the hard way what happens when everyone refuses to back down and the ball gets rolling. In a community of hundreds, if not thousands of active people, the results are not pretty.

[ADONIS 0]

Yes they help and get unban very romantic i feeling very disapointed about your thoughts Mercury, ban is ban if they want to help great but dont unban then this is ridiculous  that is why i say that law is not equal here.

[MinJee 1]

So, auto banned with all the PC when detect who installed auto-click, cheat engine,...etc...? Cheat Engine active when the stats of char change, that is why if you play the PC of your brother who using cheat engine to cheat Pinball, after installwtand log in the game you will get perm banned, same with auto-click ? NO...

GM did great thing to unbanned some innocent people. I know Wartale did a lot of good thing to improve anti-hacking, cheating.

I hope GM will detect the stats of char to above its limit then auto perm banned for not using cheat on the game such as:

DMG, ATTK, HP, ABS limit range of char to make sure no body using cheating on the game, there are some people still using cheating immortal and high damage on BC.

[Mercury 0]

  On 8/12/2011 at 7:51 PM, dohkito said:

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@ Mercury:

all these problems that ppl that used  hack or not,will be solved if the GM put in in the request,why the guy get unban.

It's a  suggestion too, can u do it ?

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So every time Wartale finds a bug in the anticheat he shouldnt unban people? But we should wait until those people file another unban request and then guess which cases are real and which are because of bugs?`

 

Be realistic, try to have some respect for the staff and you might profit from it.

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OMG, u dont undertood me, i dont say  that cases like this, that really is an bug,  the ppl dont deserve unban !

YEAH, when is a server error, all the victims deserve unban/restore etc...

 

But, use ur brain bro, all this situation could be avoided, if the GM puted why the guy get unban,and many other cases too !

 

consider this suggest like a troubleshooting:

 

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@ Mercury:

all these problems that ppl that used  hack or not,will be solved if the GM put in in the request,why the guy get unban.

It's a  suggestion too, can u do it ?

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Oh I got what you wrote alright but you think you know a lot that you dont.

 

We post all necessary info about unbans already except in cases like this. (bugs)

 

An even better solution would be if people like you started to show some respect and trust against the staff.

We are here to help you, the players, not for any other reason.

[Mercury 0]

  On 8/12/2011 at 8:01 PM, ADONIS said:

Yes they help and get unban very romantic i feeling very disapointed about your thoughts Mercury, ban is ban if they want to help great but dont unban then this is ridiculous  that is why i say that law is not equal here.

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Please read the topic again. You are missing some vital points.

 

And if you still cant take any of the information in this topic and continue to sound like a broken record then I suggest you get out of it as you are not contributing.

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  On 8/12/2011 at 8:02 PM, Mercury said:

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@ Mercury:

all these problems that ppl that used  hack or not,will be solved if the GM put in in the request,why the guy get unban.

It's a  suggestion too, can u do it ?

Read more  

 

So every time Wartale finds a bug in the anticheat he shouldnt unban people? But we should wait until those people file another unban request and then guess which cases are real and which are because of bugs?`

 

Be realistic, try to have some respect for the staff and you might profit from it.

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OMG, u dont undertood me, i dont say  that cases like this, that really is an bug,  the ppl dont deserve unban !

YEAH, when is a server error, all the victims deserve unban/restore etc...

 

But, use ur brain bro, all this situation could be avoided, if the GM puted why the guy get unban,and many other cases too !

 

consider this suggest like a troubleshooting:

 

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@ Mercury:

all these problems that ppl that used  hack or not,will be solved if the GM put in in the request,why the guy get unban.

It's a  suggestion too, can u do it ?

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Oh I got what you wrote alright but you think you know a lot that you dont.

 

We post all necessary info about unbans already except in cases like this. (bugs)

 

An even better solution would be if people like you started to show some respect and trust against the staff.

We are here to help you, the players, not for any other reason.

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  Yes Mercury the problem is lack of informations and the rules is not the same, ban is ban no unban for hackers (even if they help later the crime must be punished if you guys do that i will trust more in Staff) the vital point is that this case especialy breaked the rules (if not please  explain if you could) wat is the vital  point you talking?

 

@Crius: as i said  lack of informations is the problem.

[Mercury 0]

Okay. I then appoint you, ADONIS, to write down all info on all cases in Realm PT into separate topics. Ill make you a new board etc ofc.

 

Oh and once again: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Hack+Definition

 

This thread has devolved from constructive criticism ( I am kind today ) into Whining and below.

Ill check again in an hour or two and then Ill sign out for tonight

 

Lets see if its get moved or not, its really exciting

[Crius 0]

  On 8/12/2011 at 8:12 PM, ADONIS said:

@Crius: as i said  lack of informations is the problem.

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It can be, but there are limits to how much information is feasible to give. For the most part, I can't imagine why anyone would need to know the specifics of why someone else was or wasn't banned/unbanned, beyond that the person broke the rules or not. It is however a lot of extra work to provide it in every case, and to respond to all questions that people who really have very little to do with it may ask. Sure, if you are banned you should have the right to know why so that you can defend yourself, but I don't see why anyone else should. There may be valid explanations and/or extenuating circumstances, but does it really matter to anyone else? What it comes down to is this: do you believe that the staff would frequently punish people, or revoke the punishment, without reason? If not, why so concerned?

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@Mercury im not whining i saw that ok? The sad side is the topic that was discussion of that case was deleted so sorry Mercury i cant apoint you all the cases (and now im discuting ONE case the others was a bug right?) but you can see this in the form you want to see. Im a new player here and never disrespected any Staff member and i feel that is a constructive cristicism. And about write informations abaout bans will be a pleasure (im not saying abou all bans but only specific cases that may cause generalized revolt in server).

 

@Crius: I think that in especific cases with such polemic is good to explain more details 9i dont think that they must explain all cases).

 

Open for discussion.

[Mercury 0]

And who chooses these "specific cases that may cause generalized revolt in server"? What if you miss one? We will be back where we started.

 

You say you dont disrespect any staffmember. Okay I agree, I havent seen you disrespect anyone personally but I see that you do not trust the Staff of this server. Or rather the staffs decisions.

Trust and Respect go hand in hand as you might know.

 

There is thousands of users on this forum and most of them respect and trust the staffs decision (generally). And I cant force you to trust us or me, I can only hope that you do.

 

We are doing our best here. Neither of us have this as a job. We do this as a hobby, we do this for you, the players.

It isnt a very nice task to have sometime but someone has to do it.

 

I will go to bed now and I will leave this here in townsquare so that others may join and, hopefully, pick up or leave something useful.

[Crius 0]

  On 8/12/2011 at 8:46 PM, ADONIS said:

@Crius: I think that in especific cases with such polemic is good to explain more details 9i dont think that they must explain all cases).

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But why? If you can trust them to give you accurate information about why someone was banned/unbanned or not, why can't you accept that it was a reasonable decision from the ban or lack thereof? Why would you, as a third party, need to see proof of what someone else did or didn't do?

[Fuel 0]

Humm, its normal one pike tank 5-6 chars 13x+ hitting and he dont lose hp?

Its normal the same person kill u with 1 cl?

Coincidence this 2 chars get banend for atk/def error 2 times??

[PaynEeE 0]

  On 8/12/2011 at 9:17 PM, Fuel said:

Humm, its normal one pike tank 5-6 chars 13x+ hitting and he dont lose hp?

Its normal the same person kill u with 1 cl?

Coincidence this 2 chars get banend for atk/def error 2 times??

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coincidencessssssssss!

 

sorry for Spam...

 

I really dont like (or dont aprove) some of decisions made by staffs, we all know that some people that "shows" a  cheat can be unbanned for "help" the staff, in the other hand, they (Cheats users) screw up players like me (Honest) because we got pissed...

 

Other way, we have to find a way to "deal" with this sittuation, because we´ve to think (and believe) that staffs are doing the best they can for the good of all server, not 1 or 2 players...

 

If kitbug / doctorbug etc really don´t use any cheat engine,  so it´s time to improve anti lag on BC, because it´s hard to believe (Watching) that they don´t use or abuse of anything

 

 

It´s nice when i´ve this "open" topic to says what we think or what we´re thinking about,

 

 

[Crius 0]

Okay, for the sake of argument, let's say you see someone do all these strange things, like survive and cause impossible amounts of damage. You and several people take screenshots and videos and whatnot and report this. How strong is this evidence compared to game system logs etc. that the admin has access to? If the admin can find actual evidence of wrongdoing in the logs, what do you think will happen? Conversely, if no evidence is found, what should be done about it?

[PaynEeE 0]

come on my friend,

 

something has to be happen...

 

otherway nothing of "these" (Lag, Several Amount of Damage, Incredible tank..) would happen

 

or im wrong?

 

there is not because admins doesn´t find anything that anything exist

[Crius 0]

I'm not asking whether they are guilty or not or if problems should be dealt with. I'm asking what you think will happen if in one specific case there is evidence, and what you think should happen if there is not.

[PaynEeE 0]

i know that the lack of evidence sux,

but is just "open your eyes" or better.. go bc....

 

they can´t be so lagger always, they must be doing something... (Im not talking about only kitbug and doctorbug)

i know that sometimes Server is laggy, and in consequency players too, but even if server is "Ok" they lag...

 

i´ll not discuss about what is and isn´t evidence, or what evidences do we have... i know that sometimes we just don´t have any (or don´t find)

 

maybe only the diference of countrys can "help" this lag, imagine my char here from Brasil "attacking" someone from Vietnam (Or China), but i think all things happens according with the server, and because of that or some people have bad seriously bad connection, or there is some bug, or cheat

 

just replying ur question;

 

if there is evidence :  BAN BAN BAN (More than 3 times if need)

if there is no evidence : Thats really difficult, i don´t have the answer

 

Thats why i don´t "attack" the staffs members anymore,

 

i just ask, plz, keep watching....

[Crius 0]

Okay, so it's a difficult matter if there is no hard evidence. I'm inclined to agree. It's a question of how many potentially innocent people you are willing to sacrifice to get those who are clever enough to get away with what they are doing. You could draw a line and say being 90% sure (however you'd measure that...) even without hard evidence is enough, but I'm fairly sure there would always be someone who would complain because it was either too much or not enough. Either way, someone has to draw a line, and why should it not be those who administer the server?

 

I think there never really was any question that there should be punishment (of some form) if there is evidence. What I want to know is; do you believe that it frequently happens that evidence is found but that the guilty person is not punished? Let's disregard people being banned from bugs in the system etc. (which I don't think anyone would want to remain banned), and focus on the people who are doing something malicious.

 

(PS. I'm not really arguing with you, I'm just using you to make a general point.)

[ADONIS 0]

General revolt cases are cases that generate revolt in mass, simple i guess, if somehow miss some cases is normal cus everybody make mistakes, why not try this way? I trust the Staff in most times (nobody trusts in anyone 100%) with that suggestion, in my humble opinion, people will trust even more.

[rye 0]

  On 8/12/2011 at 6:53 PM, Mercury said:

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Look guys there is a case that insult my inteligence the case of KITKID AND DOCTORPOISON, they got unbaned, i dont even know why and i cant find the topic that unbaned (i hope that is not underground). I dont know Gogg or Fuel, i know that sometimes they passed the limit (they are human) but have a reason for that, the cases of unban make lot of people disapointed (the rules mean nothing? I saw a lot o videos of kitkid immortal in BC) and hackers with a lot of report and nobody do nothing (i om not wrong have a rule in RPT that say about a lot reports make the reported take ban) please lets be more human (think about the good players) or treat anyone in rigor of law (no exceptions for no one, oe rule for all no mercy).

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They both got banned ( along with a lot of other players) because of a minor bug in our anticheat-system which sandurr found the other day.

When he found the bug he unbanned them, simple as that.

 

As far as your theory of lag abuse goes I can tell you something.

On the lag abuse reports it was not uncommon that it was the reporter who lagged the most and therefore it appeared that others lagged as well.

 

Everyone has to follow the rules of conduct (that is why they are there).

No exceptions is our goal. Unfortunately mistakes and misunderstandings happen but we always try to correct those.

We strive to be fair against everyone.

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i agree with u in every words

 

TO adonis: u trust in your friends gogg & fuel & whatever

but i tell u here, i trust my friends too, kitkid doctorpoison never used any kind of hack or cheat program, and never will

u guys just hate what u hate, u know that, how many times u accuse ppl like "BsKR  BlackWhite Tyr4nt  kitkid Doctorpoison" use hack or "lag abuse" or "bug modem"

i just want to laugh, how these words being invented? i never heard of it before

i never see u ppl accuse others for using hacks who is in hunting map or training map, and ppl who cant K.O. you in BC(yes, u killed them)

just becoz these guys kick your asses in BC, so u guys slander them, and after a thousand times u whisper to yourselves, then u believed it (its a typical make believe)

 

[L 711]

  On 8/13/2011 at 7:09 AM, rye said:

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Look guys there is a case that insult my inteligence the case of KITKID AND DOCTORPOISON, they got unbaned, i dont even know why and i cant find the topic that unbaned (i hope that is not underground). I dont know Gogg or Fuel, i know that sometimes they passed the limit (they are human) but have a reason for that, the cases of unban make lot of people disapointed (the rules mean nothing? I saw a lot o videos of kitkid immortal in BC) and hackers with a lot of report and nobody do nothing (i om not wrong have a rule in RPT that say about a lot reports make the reported take ban) please lets be more human (think about the good players) or treat anyone in rigor of law (no exceptions for no one, oe rule for all no mercy).

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They both got banned ( along with a lot of other players) because of a minor bug in our anticheat-system which sandurr found the other day.

When he found the bug he unbanned them, simple as that.

 

As far as your theory of lag abuse goes I can tell you something.

On the lag abuse reports it was not uncommon that it was the reporter who lagged the most and therefore it appeared that others lagged as well.

 

Everyone has to follow the rules of conduct (that is why they are there).

No exceptions is our goal. Unfortunately mistakes and misunderstandings happen but we always try to correct those.

We strive to be fair against everyone.

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i agree with u in every words

 

TO adonis: u trust in your friends gogg & fuel & whatever

but i tell u here, i trust my friends too, kitkid doctorpoison never used any kind of hack or cheat program, and never will

u guys just hate what u hate, u know that, how many times u accuse ppl like "BsKR  BlackWhite Tyr4nt  kitkid Doctorpoison" use hack or "lag abuse" or "bug modem"

i just want to laugh, how these words being invented? i never heard of it before

i never see u ppl accuse others for using hacks who is in hunting map or training map, and ppl who cant K.O. you in BC(yes, u killed them)

just becoz these guys kick your asses in BC, so u guys slander them, and after a thousand times u whisper to yourselves, then u believed it (its a typical make believe)

 

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Ive made many videos already, but the staff dun care~