Please respect.

[Aipim 0]

@ Wartale

 

Now u dunno what I'm telling to u

 

Blind children

[JoeHandsome 1]

@ Wartale

 

Now u dunno what I'm telling to u

 

Blind children

?

 

To be honest, I'm 100 % sure on that I know more about the KingKnight case than you.

 

Blind children? Try to be more mature if you want to keep a discussion going on with me.

[punkrocke 0]

@ Wartale

Blind children

i think this is inappropriate

[Aipim 0]

So explain to me "great all-known".

 

What for cheat engine is used if not for cheat a game? IF he were using that simultaniously with rPT

[Crius 0]

2 word for you

 

EURO DONATE  ^.~

 

Okay, so that removes any possibility that there isn't a problem, does it? If you don't trust the admins to begin with, what sort of proof could possibly be offered to convince you? Or is it even possible for you to accept that your limited knowledge compared to that of the people making the decision might be leading you to draw the wrong conclusion?

 

So I cant use that Cheat Engine while playing rPT, right?

 

Look what Mercury said "KingKnight was never banned for hacking, he was banned for running a software called Cheat Engine simultaneously withwt"  King were using that Engine while playing rPT, weird isnt it?

 

I read it. I'm starting to wonder whether you did, or read what I wrote for that matter. Running Cheat Engine means nothing. I'm running all sorts of software that could be used for questionable things. I have a P2P client (not running right now though) that I could be downloading illegal material with. I have a traffic shaper / software firewall (that is running right now) that I could use for what people refer to as lag abuse. Am I? No. Should I get sued by music producers because I could be downloading their music (although I wouldn't be surprised if that happened the way things are going), or get banned from the game because I use a firewall?

[JoeHandsome 1]

So explain to me "great all-known".

 

What for cheat engine is used if not for cheat a game? IF he were using that simultaniously with rPT

Once again, try to read Mercury's reply.

[Aipim 0]

You mean about this part  "given a second chance because he actually acquired nothing."

 

I doubt about it, he even so appear in KS rank level (that in day his ban) and only in 1 day he were to 7th place in rank.

 

being that I was 8th with a difference of 30% of the 9th, So tell me how he gained more than 30% in a day, being that he expping in ad2 with 4 leech and just he killing.

 

So "acquired nothing" ?

[rye 0]

once again

they just hate what they hate

believe what they want to believe

its useless to explain something to them coz they're not listening

and its so pitiful for being a GM or MOD especially when facing the players who unreasonable

[Crius 0]

Well, I'd like to thank you for proving my point. This is not about whether you are right or not, or justice of any kind. It's about getting what you want. It won't matter what is said, you have made up your mind and the admins are corrupted/evil/lying to you if they say you are wrong. Tell me, would anything short of permanently banning this person satisfy you?

[JoeHandsome 1]

You mean about this part  "given a second chance because he actually acquired nothing."

 

I doubt about it, he even so appear in KS rank level (that in day his ban) and only in 1 day he were to 7th place in rank.

 

being that I was 8th with a difference of 30% of the 9th, So tell me how he gained more than 30% in a day, being that he expping in ad2 with 4 leech and just he killing.

 

So "acquired nothing" ?

I can't make you believe in us, but I can tell you what happened and how the land lies.

 

The rest is up to you.

[Aipim 0]

once again

they just hate what they hate

believe what they want to believe

its useless to explain something to them coz they're not listening

and its so pitiful for being a GM or MOD especially when facing the players who unreasonable

 

For u GM doin a great job cuz ur friends get banned and unbanned so many time as kitkid were banned 3 or 4 times and he did nothing

jajaJAJAajajAJaj

 

I playwtfor almost 1 year adn NEVER was banned and like a player is banned 3 or 4 times in a row for to do nothing?

 

Ow sry its a bug on anti-hack, seriously I believe in this

[Aipim 0]

You mean about this part  "given a second chance because he actually acquired nothing."

 

I doubt about it, he even so appear in KS rank level (that in day his ban) and only in 1 day he were to 7th place in rank.

 

being that I was 8th with a difference of 30% of the 9th, So tell me how he gained more than 30% in a day, being that he expping in ad2 with 4 leech and just he killing.

 

So "acquired nothing" ?

I can't make you believe in us, but I can tell you what happened and how the land lies.

 

The rest is up to you.

 

So tell me what happened, try change my mind, try to proof that I'm wrong.

[JoeHandsome 1]

You mean about this part  "given a second chance because he actually acquired nothing."

 

I doubt about it, he even so appear in KS rank level (that in day his ban) and only in 1 day he were to 7th place in rank.

 

being that I was 8th with a difference of 30% of the 9th, So tell me how he gained more than 30% in a day, being that he expping in ad2 with 4 leech and just he killing.

 

So "acquired nothing" ?

I can't make you believe in us, but I can tell you what happened and how the land lies.

 

The rest is up to you.

 

So tell me what happened, try change my mind, try to proof that I'm wrong.

 

I already tried, if you didn't notice? Mercury also tried. Crius even tried to explain you what Mercury and I tried to explain you, but in a different and more open way.

 

NB. I don't want to spend more time on this for now.

[rye 0]

yes, u can choose whatever u want to believe

and this topic's questions actually all get answered

no necessary to answer you twice times in one topic

i suggest u to look over again

 

Well, I'd like to thank you for proving my point. This is not about whether you are right or not, or justice of any kind. It's about getting what you want. It won't matter what is said, you have made up your mind and the admins are corrupted/evil/lying to you if they say you are wrong. Tell me, would anything short of permanently banning this person satisfy you?

 

and u sir is quite right

[Aipim 0]

Well, I'd like to thank you for proving my point. This is not about whether you are right or not, or justice of any kind. It's about getting what you want. It won't matter what is said, you have made up your mind and the admins are corrupted/evil/lying to you if they say you are wrong. Tell me, would anything short of permanently banning this person satisfy you?

 

For who used hack or cheat engine yes, this is weird when a player get banned 3 or 4 times in a row for to do nothing and this is WEIRD when who asked for his unbanned were his friend and not himself.

 

Weird isnt it? ow and I searched in forum where a forum name called "G" asked for kitkid unban, weird that disappeared.

 

Edited:

 

http://www.realmpt.net/forum/index.php?topic=45299.0

 

http://www.realmpt.net/forum/index.php?topic=45184.0

 

http://www.realmpt.net/forum/index.php?topic=44770.0

 

Weird only with him that DC auto-ban happen.

[Teapot 1]

If you donate more then maybe you will get better results. Or maybe you just don't have the resources and now you're here bitching about something you think you understand but really don't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(that was sarcasm in case anybody was stupid enough to believe it)

[Null 2]

Just wanted to clarify something quite off-topic:

 

i dont know lately i had this bad that feeling that after sjoerd and sandur leave RPT the server might turn into a FAIL, i truly hope it doesnt i really do

 

P.S: dont mind me too much im just sad cause this 2 great GMs are leaving thats all

 

Wartale is not leaving. This is his server after all. Sjoerd was simply the donation manager guy, and he had co-ownership of the server, but ultimately, Wartale was and is the real owner as he was the founder ofwtand he has the final word on everything. He can't leave, he doesn't want to leave and he won't leave, I have no idea where you came up with that. But yes, you are right when you say Sjoerd is leaving rPT. But he's not leaving for any bad reason, relax mate.

 

You're getting the Coin Shop pretty soon.

[JoeHandsome 1]

Well, I'd like to thank you for proving my point. This is not about whether you are right or not, or justice of any kind. It's about getting what you want. It won't matter what is said, you have made up your mind and the admins are corrupted/evil/lying to you if they say you are wrong. Tell me, would anything short of permanently banning this person satisfy you?

 

For who used hack or cheat engine yes, this is weird when a player get banned 3 or 4 times in a row for to do nothing and this is WEIRD when who asked for his unbanned were his friend and not himself.

 

Weird isnt it? ow and I searched in forum where a forum name called "G" asked for kitkid unban, weird that disappeared.

 

Edited:

 

http://www.realmpt.net/forum/index.php?topic=45299.0

 

http://www.realmpt.net/forum/index.php?topic=45184.0

 

http://www.realmpt.net/forum/index.php?topic=44770.0

 

Weird only with him that DC auto-ban happen.

http://www.realmpt.net/forum/index.php?topic=47468.msg304065#msg304065

 

already answered

[PaynEeE 0]

Humm, its normal one pike tank 5-6 chars 13x+ hitting and he dont lose hp?

Its normal the same person kill u with 1 cl?

Coincidence this 2 chars get banend for atk/def error 2 times??

Oh hi. Maybe you didnt read the topic?

 

Where does it say that they got banned for atk/def error 2 times?

 

And no I dont think thats normal. Do you have any proof whatsoever or are you just making this up?

 

Mercury, the proofs is on the Lucone´s videos, such as on Fuel videos...

 

Like Pause and Prince

 

on that videos, they tank 5 - 6 13x Players sometimes w/o even using potions

 

GOD!

[rye 0]

Well, I'd like to thank you for proving my point. This is not about whether you are right or not, or justice of any kind. It's about getting what you want. It won't matter what is said, you have made up your mind and the admins are corrupted/evil/lying to you if they say you are wrong. Tell me, would anything short of permanently banning this person satisfy you?

 

For who used hack or cheat engine yes, this is weird when a player get banned 3 or 4 times in a row for to do nothing and this is WEIRD when who asked for his unbanned were his friend and not himself.

 

Weird isnt it? ow and I searched in forum where a forum name called "G" asked for kitkid unban, weird that disappeared.

 

Edited:

 

http://www.realmpt.net/forum/index.php?topic=45299.0

 

http://www.realmpt.net/forum/index.php?topic=45184.0

 

http://www.realmpt.net/forum/index.php?topic=44770.0

 

Weird only with him that DC auto-ban happen.

once again

i can find like hundreds of topics about get auto-ban and DC in request unban section

why only list out certain players, coz they often show up in BC and kick your asses?

its very obvious, u do that for a personal hate, not being objective

 

at last, about the topic title

if u dont even respect GMs + MODs & their answers + decisions

how can u ask for it?

 

[Crius 0]

Okay, I'm going to say one last thing, then I'm done with this topic.

 

Allow me to tell you a little story that comes to mind. It happened, oh, about 5 years ago or so, give or take, during the time I was a forum moderator and not too long before I left. There was a thread, I don't even remember what it was about. Some random person asked who had deleted his post and why. There was no soft-deleted post to be seen, nor any hard deleted posts in the logs, so I told him that no post of his had been deleted. He wouldn't take no for an answer though, got defensive and asked if I was calling him a liar etc. I tried to explain that there was absolutely nothing that I could see that in any way indicated that there had even been a post in that thread to delete. Eventually I gave up trying, but he did not. He created several new threads and posts, accusing me of deleting his posts unjustly and all sorts of things. As expected, they were removed on account of being blatant spam (and I wasn't even the one who did it). He still didn't give up, now adding conspiracy theories and cover-ups to the list. Eventually he got banned (not by me this time either) because he ignored all warnings and just went on and on. From there it got even worse, when friends and "friends" (AKA. new accounts from his IP) started doing the same thing. It created a lot of work for me and my colleagues. We went from a removed post that couldn't have taken more than 30 seconds to write in the first place, to accusations of what a horrible person I am for the mere fact that I tried to explain the situation.

 

So what's the moral of the story? Well, tell me, what could I have done differently? What proof could I have offered him that would convince him? Even if it was even possible to prove what I didn't find, why would he believe me? This is what you're asking the admins here to do. So, if it's really that simple, explain to me how I should've handled the scenario above correctly.

 

Okay, one more. I'm going to have to retcon my own post earlier in this thread. I said that apparently everyone is a lawyer. What I should've said was that supposedly everyone is a lawyer. See, despite how they might act, people generally know very little about law. Guess what, story time! Fictional this time, but still... Let's say there are two people, A and B, and A hates B for some reason. A has repeatedly made death threats in public in front of witnesses. Hey, let's even throw in how A would get a lot of money if B dies for some reason. One morning, B is found very obviously murdered, having been dead since the middle of the night. When A is questioned, he says he was sleeping alone at home at the time (which is a common activity during the middle of the night). The police investigates and finds no evidence tieing A to the murder. What will happen?

I can tell you. A will not be convincted. Why? Well, despite that A may have had every reason to do it, all you have is circumstantial evidence. He can't prove that he was home sleeping, but it is very hard to prove innocence. That's why you prove guilt, not innocence, or everyone who are unable to provide a water-tight alibi could be convincted. Sure, people could go on and on about how obvious it is that A did it and point to all of the things he has said and done, and they can accuse the police of being incompetent or corrupt, but that doesn't really change anything. All of this circumstantial evidence makes A a person of interest, but not necessarily guilty. If the defense lawyer asks for proof that A commit the murder, the prosecution can hand over their hypothetical video tape of A stabbing B repeatedly while saying "I, A, am really enjoying murdering you, B, at [insert date/time]". The police can't really prove that they found nothing though, short of saying that they didn't, and very few would be able to provide a video tape of them sleeping at home at a specific time. Sure, there may be a good chance that A did in fact do it, but without hard evidence, he is not going to be convicted. If some evidence is found and he is convicted, that evidence can at any point be questioned, and should there be any doubts in the future, A will not only be released, he will even be compensated for wrongful imprisonment.

 

Want to take a wild guess at how this relates to what we're talking about in this thread?

[punkrocke 0]

Wartale is not leaving. This is his server after all. Sjoerd was simply the donation manager guy, and he had co-ownership of the server, but ultimately, Wartale was and is the real owner as he was the founder ofwtand he has the final word on everything. He can't leave, he doesn't want to leave and he won't leave, I have no idea where you came up with that. But yes, you are right when you say Sjoerd is leaving rPT. But he's not leaving for any bad reason, relax mate.

yes i know i missunderstood this Sjoerd words

Me and Wartale decided this some days ago.

All donations have been taken care off, and right now my pm box is closed.

Wartale will open this soon and he will notify everyone about this as well.

 

but someone pm me and explained me that only sjoerd was leaving, so im srry i was wrong, still sad for sjoerd though

[Rehv 0]

@Complaints of KingKnight that can't read

Clearly there are people that know nothing about softwares or actually RAM hacking... Running such software is suspicious, but like Mercury said, KingKnight didn't get anything with it... So he was given a second chance, because he could be running the program on BG or something, but probably was given a warning to not use the program on BG anymore (I expect so...)

 

@Staff

But just because people get warmed up in cases like these that mean nothing, doesn't mean that we don't see some people getting unbanned when they've hacked for sure. While I can understand why the Staff doesn't share certain unban reasons, I think that they(Staff) should also comprehend that by seeing this going on without any apparent reason to the players, will raise some questions and posts, and I don't think that people should be warned/muted because of questioning, really. It'd also be good if topics in sections that can only be replied by topic creator or mod remained OPEN so we can reply to them. If people start bumping them more than they should, then simply warn them. Also, if you move topics from Townsquare to Whining, please leave a note of moving as you do with some of the others. I for one felt a little disappointment when my topic was moved from Townsquare to Whining, because it was like "hiding" what I had to say about it from others, and I didn't mean any whining at all (about "hiding": I only started looking at Whining section because of this...).

 

Summing up...

It's clear that some people cross the line when questioning and criticizing some decisions/actions done by the Staff, but it's also clear that some people are getting warned/muted/banned for pointing out some flaws on the server. I sincerely ask the Staff: please be more receptive to criticism. While there's always going to be new players to populate the server, you should also try to conserve the old ones... I know I don't play this server much, but I've been here at forums for a long time and even when not involved in the case (like now) I feel that sometimes we aren't being given the appropriate answer/action, even considering we are demmanding it from a "free" game service.

[ADONIS 0]

@rye: Gogg and Fuel are not my friends i dont even know them personaly even in MSN so i dont making this topic for adulation (i maked thinking about the server not they even if its were other chars i create too), about topic title search where i disrespect GM/ADMINS, even Mercury says that i dont disrespect and the problem is the lack of trust but i already responded him. Read the topic before post.

 

@Crius: I trust the server and GMs but sucessive facts about same chars make the trut go down (i am human) anyway the case is clear for me now.

 

The cases about kitkid and doctorpoison are clear for me now, my only humble suggestion (if someone asked) is to not unban hackers that "helped"the server after they get caugh, that is the main point for me (make people think that worth the effort. Anyway i will keep the topic open for people who want a healthy discussion about server and clear their thoughts.

 

Open for discussion.

[DarkLink64 921]

I have to say, i'm astonished with the staff performance here. The whole thread is filled with hating and disgusting args. Even with these kinds of posts here, Mercury still try to answer all of them. But, wait, to the haters it isnt enough.

 

"3. Views and opinions that are considered excessively flammatory, racist, sexist or hateful may be moderated or deleted. The staff is trying to provide a fairly open environment where posters can share their views, but if their views, or the way they are expressed, is inflammatory or offensive to other posters or groups of people in general, then action may be taken against the offender."

 

The rule is very clear. I think the staff is being too cool for not forum perm ban these people. Giving a mute is just too weak for these cases.

 

"10. Leave the moderating to the Admin and Moderators. They are responsible for interpreting and enforcing the site's rules."

 

Another great rule that put a end in this thread since the first post.

 

The Staff answered every whining,  just to give proof that they aren't doing anything wrong. But hell, it isnt enough for the haters.

 

I think if the forum get rid of these people, it would be much more nice. I'm getting sick from the excessive trolling and flame on Realm PT forum. The game is open to everyone - from a oldschool or to a newcomer on the Priston world - many of people here just get mad about a "newbie" giving their opinion. All these people do is troll and flame them, making the player feel extremely bad or even demotivated. Maybe to these people - like the ones on this thread - enjoy being powerfull, strong on internet, just only because they're donators or have great characters ingame, or play since the beginning.

 

Hell, who cares about it. Only because these people meets these 'requirements', this doesnt allow them to act and be like this.

 

 

 

 

To staff:

 

Don't be too soft. Time to apply more severe manners to everyone who flame, hate, troll and complain/whine with agressive words. I would suggest from a week too a perm ban on forum, plus and additional from week to perm ban to the game account aswell, depending on the case.

 

These players have no manners. Let them call that the staff is just a tirany -- and i'm looking forwar to this "tirany" to be more tiranier than before. I can't stand people like these on this thread.

 

Period.